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JJJJJ
03-08-2003, 02:17 PM
Is anyone else getting fed up with the contents of PC World? It used to be a computer magazine. It was my instructor when I bought my first computer. I have not missed a copy since1995.
Now though it is full of , Cameras, Videos , glorified pocket calculators and Cell Phones. I have not the least interest in any of these things .I buy a computer mag. because I am interested in computers.
In my opinion it's time they went back to being a computer mag. or else change their name to Cell Phone World. Then I could stop buying it. Another thing I have noticed is a lot more of the computer articles are lifted straight out of the US. PC World.
Jack

Emma
03-08-2003, 02:41 PM
I have to say I sort of agree with you but I would like to point out something. If PC world keeps solely to computers, then they would soon run out of things to cover, and then there wouldn't be a PC World. However if they mainly cover computers but also have small sections on other things, it might mean more people buy the magazine. I can see where your coming from, but I can also see where PC World is coming from too.
Emma

Graham L
03-08-2003, 03:46 PM
Have you ever wondered why the name is "PC World". Of course it takes articles from the US one. So does the (UK) PC World. I assume there are others.

That's how you get stuff a NZ magazine hasn't the resources to do. :D

Magazines have to fit their content to what will sell. Penthouse, etc, have one content style; Woman's Weekly another. I used to get Byte regularly, because it had a lot of practical articles, with assembly source code (even for 8080/Z80, 6502 :D). Byte had a circulation of over 500000. It doesn't exist now. Electronics Australia is gone.

PoWa
03-08-2003, 04:14 PM
Oh Amen JJJJ!

Too many camera ads
Too many camera articles
Too many printer articles
Too many cellphone and PDA articles
Too many fax articles
Too much talking about projectors as well

I'm ending up finding myself reading how laptops have increased a whole 100Mhz each month. This months one was the most boring I've found for a while. Also isn't the dumb terminal supposed to be funny?

Can I request that PC World have an article about Dual Processor Motherboards and Cpu's?? Cos thats where its at, twice the power in one machine!

Tobas
03-08-2003, 04:26 PM
Hi jack
I could not agree with you more, in fact I saw the writing on the wall over a year ago and just let my sub expire and that was like yourself after many years of subs. Times change I guess, s'pose I just let my money do the walking :-)

Terry Porritt
03-08-2003, 04:37 PM
I find myself disagreeing with most of you. PC World is good. I enjoy reading about digital cameras etc, who knows, I might lash out on a pricey one, one day.

I do think though, that How To articles on how to upgrade, replace RAM, add an extra hard drive, replace a PSU, etc etc, would be a good idea to run 2 or 3 times a year for new and not so new-comers. Things change rapidly, it's difficult to keep up with new motherboards with bells and whistles, and new types and names for RAM.

hazza
03-08-2003, 04:41 PM
they need to increase the content of dumb terminal(the last page) cause that is one of the best things about pc world

Billy T
03-08-2003, 05:26 PM
On the other hand, however:

There are those of us who like to read a more balanced and broadly based technology magazine, and find PCW an ideal mix. I don't like mags full of nothing but product reviews and similarly I don't like mags full of nothing but technical articles.

Sure I find some months less rewarding than others, but that is so for any magazine. I am sure Horse and Hound is not full of nothing but dogs & horses, and Wheels magazine carries articles on subjects other than cars.

My only complaint is that the PF1 page has shrunk and no longer seems to draw content from this forum.

Give IDG a break you guys.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

JJJJJ
03-08-2003, 05:52 PM
I'm surprised. Most of the replies support me. Sure some of us likedifferent things. If I wanted to buy a cellphone ,I might look it up in a cellphone mag. But I certainly would not buy a computer mag for that purpose.
The biggest surprise is that no one told me that PC World need the profits from these articles so they can run Press F1.
Even the printed version of that has gone backwards lately.
When was the last time we saw a review of local comp. manufacturers? Whats happened to the top twenty? The back page is just a joke.
And I read all that interested me this month in 20 minutes. It used to be good for a full day.
Jack

PoWa
03-08-2003, 06:11 PM
Amen again. lol! Yes I would most definitely want to be seeing a review of PC manufacturers, purely for the joy of seeing PCco at 99th place :D

SKT174
03-08-2003, 06:12 PM
I feel like reading a story book when I read PC World, not very practicle and informative.

Umm.. I should think PC World should became a weekly mag .. most of the items in PC World is 2 to 4 weeks behind.. if not more...

Maybe NZ doesn't have the market for it .. but they have women's weekly .. :P

Murray P
03-08-2003, 06:12 PM
Another 200 pages/ mth would just about nail it for a brief overview of the pc world. We all have our own preferences, trying to satisfy them all would be a nightmare and a complete disaster. To pinch a theme, having said that however, I would like to see, more Geoff Palmer articles, more How To's, more projects and I don't mind the digital articles although I have little interest in PDA's, etc and no interest in cell phones (sorry Robo :D, cheesy grin).

Maybe we could pester the forum mod's every now and then to influence editorial content in PC World ;\ ;) Marke would appreciate that, I'm sure. Hmm... a regular monthly poll by a credible PF1'er, Hey Mr Billy T your used to posting to deadlines and have a certain way with words, waddya think ??

Cheers Murray P

DangerousDave
03-08-2003, 06:21 PM
powa: projectors are cool and deserve reviews, but i agree about camera and cellfones... and dual cpu is pretty crap for a lot of stuff cos most stuff is not programmed to support it, that is of course, unless your playing Doom 3, 2 times at once... ;)

- David

Jen C
03-08-2003, 06:21 PM
I like the general balance of articles as it is. Don't forget that regular home users also buy the magazine and they need to be catered for as well. A lot of people are now buying computers so that they can download and edit their own digital images/movies. So the technology is intertwined. The same with printers, PDA's and anything else that can be attached to a computer. People want to know what the lastest and greatests products are.

I personally would like more linux articles, but the reader population that uses linux would not warrant a greater section (at this time :D). I also agree that more regular how-to articles to keep up with the rapidly changing technology would also be nice.

I enjoy my subscription to NZ PC World, I read the bits that interest me in detail and skim read those which don't.

Baldy
03-08-2003, 06:35 PM
> Amen again. lol! Yes I would most definitely want to
> be seeing a review of PC manufacturers, purely for
> the joy of seeing PCco at 99th place :D

Out of interest, were you turned down for a job at the PC Company PoWa? You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with that particular brand.

Murray P
03-08-2003, 06:44 PM
Oh yes Jen, Linux for sure although G.P's articles will help on that front but it is specific to what he's doing at the mo. My personal fav at this time would be 101 ways to install on an nForce based computer X-(

Cheers Murray P

TonyF
03-08-2003, 06:55 PM
> I like the general balance of articles as it is.
> Don't forget that regular home users also buy the
> magazine and they need to be catered for as well.
This makes sense - PC world tries to deal with a broad spread of readers, and also the continual crop of newbies who are now into a PC. Powa seems to think that ".. Dual Processor Motherboards and Cpu's?? Cos thats where its at, twice the power in one machine!" which hardly reflects a wider audience. Go find your own special interest mag !
Cheers T

Baldy
03-08-2003, 07:35 PM
I agree Tony.
I think PCW has just the right balance.
As for articles on cellphones,digicams etc, when I first brought my computer I didn't think I needed a scanner or webcam till I saw reviews/articles in PCW. After reading several digicam articles in PCW, I will probably go buy one of those as well. One of these days LOL.

cyberchuck
03-08-2003, 07:50 PM
Have you thought of contacting PCWorld/IDG about this instead of placing your comments on PF1?
Every journalist has their strengths and therefore writes accordingly. However you are right about Geoff Palmer's articles.. Usually one of the first things I read when PCW comes in the mail.


CyberChuck

PoWa
03-08-2003, 08:58 PM
> Out of interest, were you turned down for a job at the PC Company PoWa? You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with that particular brand.

No. Don't insult my intelligence. Who in their right mind would apply for a job there? As for reviews on pc manufacturers, its a valid point, and I'll display my views of PCco in every post if I have to - bite me.

> dual cpu is pretty crap for a lot of stuff cos most stuff is not programmed to support it, that is of course, unless your playing Doom 3, 2 times at once.

Have you actually researched them? I haven't really but I learned all the support is done by the motherboard and it splits up the tasks and sends them to the 2 cpus, hence you get things done quicker. Kinda like hyperthreading. Software support - not in the equation, it will work regardless, software optimisation - maybe.

And its in my view that dual processor motherboards are more on topic than cellphones! One article is all I'm asking :) Besides who pays lots of money for a motherboard, and wouldn't mind paying just for an additional cpu to add to the speed, rather than upgrade both the MB, and CPU??

godfather
03-08-2003, 09:27 PM
I like the content as it is thanks.

If it were as tightly focussed as some would want, then I couldn't afford it, as the circulation would certainly drop to encompass only those hard core users, and the price would have to rise.

To those that find the content too broad for their liking there is always APC, PC User, PC Authority... oh wait .. they have broadly based editorial as well so perhaps the market researchers have actually done their homework after all?

A company doesn't blindly churn out a product such as this without some basis for doing so, in the form of satisfaction surveys.

The results of a thread such as this does not accurately portray the readership wants either, as the statistical base is somewhat skewed by the sector of interest of the group.

JJJJJ
03-08-2003, 09:56 PM
I wasn't going to mention other publications, but seeing Godfather has brought it up I must say tat PC Authority is a much better computer mag. than PC World. I buy it every month and I think I will be dropping PCW from my shopping list.

Winston001
03-08-2003, 10:03 PM
Hear hear Godfather and others. I like PC World as it currently exists.
I bought my first copy out of curiosity in February and now subscribe.
The mix of technology with a refreshing writing style makes for good reading.
The span of coverage such as cameras and cellphones simply reflect our digital age - and they are things I like to know about, alongside computers themselves.
What would be worthwhile is for PCW to invite suggestions for articles from this forum. Every publication struggles for topics to fill the pages so ideas from these worthy members would be helpful to everyone

Cheers
Winston001

Dolby Digital
03-08-2003, 10:10 PM
>>I personally would like more linux articles.
Jen, you don't have geeky Linux tendencies, do you :D

tweak\'e
03-08-2003, 10:17 PM
actaully powa dual cpu pc's do require the correct software support eg an os that is smp capable. for programs to make maxium use of both cpu's they also need to be smp capable.

as far as pcworld goes anything computer related is fine by me includeing cellphones. after all users do use them for internet use. also with the large amount of multimedia use i do like to see reviews of speakers and hometheater setups :)

mikebartnz
03-08-2003, 10:40 PM
I think quite a few on this post should try starting their own mag and see how difficult it is to get the right balance to get a decent readership.
I personally think the balance is pretty good and just skip the topics that don't interest me.
At least they haven't sold their souls to MS like a couple of mags I used to subscribe to.

cyberchuck
03-08-2003, 10:42 PM
> I wasn't going to mention other publications, but seeing Godfather has brought it up I
> must say tat PC Authority is a much better computer mag. than PC World. I buy it
> every month and I think I will be dropping PCW from my shopping list.

Every magazine has it's ups and downs..
I like PCWorld in preference to other PC Mags and will only buy others if they have something which catches my attention.
The problem with most of those Aussie Magazines is that half of the contents of the magazine are articles other related stuff, the rest are advertisements...
Seems pointless to me to pay for advertising.

Terry Porritt
03-08-2003, 10:55 PM
Following on from cyberchuck, just be thankful that our very own PC World isnt like so many American mags, including the US version of PC World. You open them, and all you see is advertisements, the actual reading matter is often difficult to find, buried as it usually is between pages of ads.
For my money NZ PC World is one of the best around.

metla
03-08-2003, 11:01 PM
And following on even further,the one thing i like about pcworld is they have the balls to call a spade a sade,other magazines i have read over the years the articles are a mere extension of the advertising.

They also get it right on the money when it comes to reviewing games.

Although,i was a little disapointed a couple months back when xbox releases started getting reviewed....

metla
03-08-2003, 11:02 PM
damn,missed a p outta that second spade...

Baldy
03-08-2003, 11:23 PM
> Although,i was a little disapointed a couple months
> back when xbox releases started getting reviewed....

Why so Metla? I would have thought X-Box was more PC than other consols. Or is it just the MS connection?

Jen C
03-08-2003, 11:33 PM
>>I personally would like more linux articles.

>Jen, you don't have geeky Linux tendencies, do you

I think it is more of a case that I need to read more linux articles. :D

vk_dre
03-08-2003, 11:42 PM
I like PC World wot ever the way it is, i like to read and if there is a lot of articles on different things then i will read it. :D

metla
03-08-2003, 11:48 PM
>
> > Although,i was a little disapointed a couple
> months
> > back when xbox releases started getting
> reviewed....
>
> Why so Metla? I would have thought X-Box was more PC
> than other consols. Or is it just the MS connection?


Mainly because they ate into the space that was used for pc game reviews,Plus the more the industry focuses on consoles the more detrimentel it is to pc gaming........which shunk in market share for the first time in history in the last year.

Not a major gripe,Although i think the console market is covered in depth by mag's dedicated to that genre,i personally would like to read pc game reviews in a pc mag.

TonyF
04-08-2003, 12:17 AM
PoWa says :-
I'll display
> my views of PCco in every post if I have to - bite
> me.

Please give it a rest - not news any more.
Maybe instead use your background to help PF1 newbies.

Cheers T

PoWa
04-08-2003, 12:51 AM
Hi thanks Tweake, you're right - dual processors need a certain OS to run them. I found out that Windows2000, and XP Pro have dual processor support, so I still think its a cool idea. This is an interesting quote:

"With a multi-processor system and an SMP-compatible OS, standard applications can run concurrently with much less degradation in performance. Even if the applications themselves are not SMP-optimized,the operating system will multi-thread the programs themselves and distribute the tasks to each of the CPUs."
Thats from this site here (http://hardware.earthweb.com/chips/article.php/600091). Sites a bit old, but still relevant I guess.

TonyF /ignore

Justin
04-08-2003, 02:26 AM
Perhaps they should have a few pages at the back of PC world
(where most readers won't look) dedicated to computer lovers who want to get down and intimate with their PC's, and find out all the sensual philosophies that make the PC the special piece of machinery it is. Then perhaps they would be less uptight about having to read about Cellphones, which incidentally I won't care too much for until text messaging can be dictated. I have to concentrate twice as hard to steer and text. Perhaps I need a neuro hyperthread upgrade. What I am I doing up this late? Stuff it I'm off. Though I like my suggestion, I'd be a bit more excited and tolerant when my PC world arrived if it had a few hardcore articles tucked away between the advertisement. Then perhaps we'd all be happy.

John H
04-08-2003, 10:47 AM
I would just like to add a vote in favour of PC World as it is. The balance and level of technical writing is just right for me. The days of specialism in this area are I think past. I use a desktop, laptop, PDA and cellphone, and a digital camera will be added later this year. There are considerable cross overs between all of them, and I prefer a magazine that has the breadth of vision to make the links.

PDAs and cellphones are merging, laptops are now connecting to the net through wireless GPRS cards or through cellphones, and cellphones and PDAs are both incorporating cameras. Not to mention WiFi and Bluetooth being shared across all of these things.

I appreciate:
1. PC World being a largely NZ mag, so that suppliers and prices and release dates are local.
2. It is not over-run with ads and inserted pull out tear off cards etc like American mags.
3. Some of the writers at least are local and understand our environment, so they keep the mag relevant.
4. The breadth of coverage (see above).
5. The fact that the mag is not one eyed like some others - it is not a blind disciple of the Gates empire, and it even covers other platforms from time to time like MacOS, and now particularly Linux, with respect rather than arrogance.

I am obviously not a technically skilled PC user - have never built my own or even installed an OS from scratch. However, I have learned heaps from PC World (as well as this forum), and I will continue to buy it for that. A recent issue was, I admit, a yawn for me, but one issue out of the past two years ain't too bad.

There is a similar debate about Wilderness mag. I buy it for the tramping articles (which is what it was all about when it began), and get really irritated when it bangs on about skiing, mountain biking, "tourism" oriented articles about overseas destinations etc. I will stop buying it if it goes the way of Adventure mag which is just a yuppy tourism mag now and I never buy it for that reason.

I guess we all have to make our own decisions about what we want, and vote with our feet if a mag ceases to meet our needs. Personally, I will walk if the views of the original poster of this thread become the future editorial direction of PC World, but that is simply because I don't want that content to dominate the mag because I am not interested in it. I suppose before I went I would also bang on about "what is happening to PC World?"...

robo
04-08-2003, 05:48 PM
Wow, I don't know whether to slash my wrists or laugh.

Given that I write most of the cellphone and PDA articles, I feel like an endangered species.

The whole point of the magazine is that it is impossible to please all the people all the time. Personally, even though I enjoy using PDAs and use a cellphone, I wouldn't consider buying a magazine dedicated to either.

They, plus digital cameras, projectors, and a bunch of other things are often part of a PC users environment.

I think we should have more game reviews, but we don't have budget. We should review games on consoles as well as PCs. Taking a game home, you can quickly realise it sucks, and seeing a review first helps heaps. Especially when they cost $120 a throw. (at the moment a couple of us have been campaigning about the slow release of one game, may not ever even hit the mag, it's not always just about what hits the pages.)

Personally, I never read monitor reviews, I just don't care about monitors. Same goes for many printers, and lots of other things. I don't read every article in every issue. I haven't ever read every article in any issue. But I read a lot of them, and refer back to them for months afterwards when something crops up.

By the same token, I read the Herald in about four minutes these days, and the Listener in about ten.

However, I think we do provide a service by telling people some of the things you don't find out in the show room. We don't do advertorial, if we think something really sucks we either don't review it or we tell it like it is. We don't spend out lives with our tongues down the back of the trousers of the big corporates. We piss them off now and again, but that's life.

With respect to other, lighter, and more regular publications, although their coverage may be more "current" than a monthly magazine, some of their content is such a high overview you wonder if they ever used what they are talking about. Many pieces seem like they could be brochures.

As for the US content, it has always been there, for 14 years. We remove the products you can't get here, and add products you can. We pick what we think are the best articles and ignore those that aren't so good. You don't have to agree with our choices. That is why you are able to buy US PC World, if you want to spend twice the dollars.

That's my two cents worth.
robo.

John H
04-08-2003, 06:12 PM
>That's my two cents worth.
>robo.

Actually that is more than two cents worth Robo and worth everyone of them. Just you keep passing the open windows, to quote John Irving in Hotel New Hampshire. You have nothing to slash your wrists about. So just laugh...

Personally I have no interest in game reviews, but think they should be in the mag, along with all the bits of technology that interlink with PCs.

I used your monitor reviews... And I will be hunting my back issues when I have to upgrade my printer. However, I have also used this forum to get feedback from people who are owner/users of something before I buy, and this gives a good balance.

As for "We don't spend out lives with our tongues down the back of the trousers of the big corporates" - well, I wouldn't want to go there, but more strength to your elbow (or tongue...) Yuck!

John

Murray P
04-08-2003, 06:27 PM
> Wow, I don't know whether to slash my wrists or
> laugh.

Laugh its better for you :^O. You see we do care.

> Given that I write most of the cellphone and PDA
> articles, I feel like an endangered species.

And very well written they are too. It depends on the readers interest at the time whether they hang on every word though and as we all know the PC/digital world can change very quickly so we users have to be at least aware. My time may come when I'm far away from home base and haven't enabled or know how to use the email feature on my cell phone ;). Btw, what genus. ;)

>I don't read
> every article in every issue. I haven't ever read
> every article in any issue.

For shame.

> However, I think we do provide a service by telling
> people some of the things you don't find out in the
> show room. if we think
> something really sucks we either don't review it or
> we tell it like it is.

Personally, I'd prefer you include all the dogs as well, I do respect your/PC Worlds views/expertise.

>We don't spend out lives with
> our tongues down the back of the trousers of the big
> corporates. We piss them off now and again, but
> that's life.

Nice to hear, and backed up by the content and letters you publish.

> That's my two cents worth.
> robo.

Thats about six cents worth Robo, can we expect a similar increase in content and value from our fav mag in future editions? :D

Cheers Murray P

vk_dre
04-08-2003, 06:44 PM
Go PCWorld! Everything is sweet as it is! Just dont forget the monthly prizes.....speaking bout prizes who won the copies of Kindom Hearts & the Palm PDA? (I was looking forward to winning a copy of Kingdom Hearts :D).

cheers,
v.K

robo
04-08-2003, 06:48 PM
See, some things John reads, some things he doesn't. It's like that for all of us. We can't expect 128pages of things we find riveting, that would be a book not a magazine. Also, someone complained about the adverts. Without those, the magazine would cost way more to buy.
robo.

robo
04-08-2003, 06:53 PM
Ahem, we are still working on it (he better be) the Palm I mean.

Yes, it is that awareness thing. I've been ignoring some technologies here and there but stay vaguely aware of them and all of a sudden - BANG! You find they are practical. Like wireless networking, and video projectors.
There is some neat stuff happening out there, but there's a lot of bollocks too.
robo.

metla
04-08-2003, 07:28 PM
> See, some things John reads, some things he doesn't.
> It's like that for all of us. We can't expect
> 128pages of things we find riveting, that would be a
> book not a magazine.


No,that would be a penthouse :D

Murray P
04-08-2003, 07:57 PM
> No,that would be a penthouse :D

Do you get a CD with it tho.

Cheers Murray ;P

robo
04-08-2003, 08:12 PM
Interesting concept. Would increase flagging sales of the mags if they did. Assuming their sales are flagging of course, which I don't know, but I assume they would be with all the other mediums (ie the internet in particular).
Mind you, the local dairy seems to have about three shelves dedicated to underdressed women and only one shelf with Sabrina Secrets, Transformers, KTime, etc.
Not that I regularly count them or anything. Just checking for PC World, of course.
Oh boy, digging hole and still digging. Get out while I still can. Is that daylight up there?
robo.

exLL
04-08-2003, 10:17 PM
Compared to the few PF1 posters who have complained about NZPCWorld's content, (which is their right), there are hundreds who have not. :( ~~~> :) :) :)

I guess one could interpret this as being a resounding declaration that NZPCWorld has got it right by satisfying most of the people most of the time. :) :) :) :)

-=JM=-
05-08-2003, 01:09 AM
The columns I read the most are robo's, juha's and geoffs. Chris's is usually up there as well lately. THe rest of it is just for browsing though... then there i DUmb Terminal.

PeebZ
05-08-2003, 01:45 AM
Hi,

Lets approch this the other way, what would you like to see..

I must admit I do like the how to articles and would love to see maybe some of the following appear in PCWorld

* You have heard about the mp3 of movies..how to make one yourself..we show you
(Also icluding a section on dvd trancoders DVD-9 to DVD-5)

*20 website you didnt know about, now cant live without

Bought the expsive game,How to create a working backup
(cover all 4 of the major CD duplicators (clonecd, Blindwrite, etc)

* How to Configure Jetstream, what can it do for you !
- Go over options like router vs USB vs Internal
- Jetstream games etc

* Pc running bloated..How to Clean it better than a dentist
(reg, temp files, unsued dll's, Internet files, start up programs etc)

* Build your own super computer

* How to turn you Pc into a home entertaiment centre

Well there is a few of my idea's..whats yours ??

John H
05-08-2003, 10:07 AM
>I must admit I do like the how to articles and would love to see maybe some of the following appear in PCWorld

PeebZ has a good point about the how to stuff, which is always my favourite stuff in the mag along with gear reviews.

If the editorial team looked at the kind of questions that are perennial (sp?) favourites here, maybe there could be space in PC World for building how to articles around them:

* Networking between computers sharing the same OS and between computers using different OS's (e.g. different versions of Windoze, adding a Mac to a Windoze based network, sharing a network between Linux and Windoze), seems to be a regular.

* The differences between modems and routers; which to choose and why etc, comparative tests including ease of set up.

* configuring adsl modems, firewalls etc; including what PeebZ has said:

> * How to Configure Jetstream, what can it do for you !
> - Go over options like router vs USB vs Internal
> - Jetstream games etc

* getting blankety blank scanners to work the way they are supposed to...

* remote access to your computer - how to, best software, security etc.

I guess there is always a fine line between a mag and a computer text book, but I would guess that a perusal of the common themes on this forum could give some really good ideas on what the information needs are there out in PeeCee land. Articles like these could still be "commercial" in the sense of reviewing the software and hardware that make the user's solution to these issues more user friendly, efficient, and cost effective.

I think PC World does a lot of this already, but I think this forum acts as a useful vox pop in terms of user needs.

Another 1.5 cents worth...

robo
05-08-2003, 10:44 AM
There are a few very good ideas in these two posts. I will dump them to Mr Keall in an email (and pretend they were mine).
robo.

agent
06-08-2003, 12:46 AM
OK, well, I just wasted a lot of time reading these rather trivial opinions.

And now I'll post mine! :D

I don't subscribe to magazines. I see it as a waste of money. Make no mistake, I do get technology magazines, but I don't pay for them - I just take them when my dad has finished reading whatever ones he buys.

Now, for a long time I've been reading magazines like Australian PC Authority (PCA), Australian Personal Computing (APC), and Australian PC User (PC User). Quite personally, I like PCA the best. They have done various design tweaks over the past four years, and include nice editorials, news, articles, reviews (including games), 'A-List', and a very good section called 'Real World Computing' - exactly what it says it is, it is guides, how-tos, and replies to peoples questions.

If you're looking for a magazine that is, overall, about help, then I would say go for PC User. Almost every time I read it, I find too many questions and answers about PC problems than interests me (the one occaison I found the advice in an answer useful was one in PC Authority about clearing the pagefile at shutdown in Windows 2K/XP... and I found it annoying, afterwards, because it adds about thirty seconds onto your shutdown time).

APC tends to stand somewhere between PC User and PCA/PC World. Sure, they cover products other than computers. But what computer magazine wouldn't? It's a surefire way to get sales - aim at everyone. For instance, APC has put Linux distros and how-tos on their CDs. They also produce some nice handbooks occaisonally. And in the July issue, they had a feature that PeebZ suggested - '182 ways to speed up your system'. I swear they work. I've tried about eight of the suggestions, and have cutdown the boot up time on two computers (remarkably more so on Windows 98 than XP), and freed resources by turning off unneccessary services and startup applications. There's even ways to speed up Linux (unless you're inclined to think that Linux never gets bloated and/or slowed).

If you want a gaming mag, go for PC Power Play. They have a CD and a DVD edition. The article that goes on the last page more often than not is more than quite funny. The captions to screenshots are quite funny.

Or try PC Games Addict. More funny captions, less general humour.

Both are as good as each other, but I'd reccommend PC Power Play over PC Games Addict.

Now for my comments on NZ PC World.

I've never seen any other version of PC World except the NZ one, though I do know that it is published in many more countries.
Sometimes, I find what Geoff Palmer rambles on about to be controversial for my liking. I cannot remember why or what, but I know I criticised something he said in this months issue. I do that a lot. Personally, I found the issue that had Windows alternatives to be ridiculously immature - dressing up like a secret agent? Oh please, it's not like using something other than Windows is out of the ordinary.
You just have to face the facts. Different operating systems appeal to different people. It has been said that Mac users like prettier interfaces over raw speed - that could be true, but perhaps that is why Macs are commonly used for image editing. Perhaps it's also the stability they offer. I have no memory of seriously using Apple computers, but I recognise the benefits that some people see in them - I just don't click with them. The same thing goes with Linux. It might be free, but because there is no real, centrally collaborated effort to work on the products for it, it suffers in some areas (such as the spell checking capabilities in applications like OpenOffice).

Now, you can criticise PC World all you like - but magazines are generally only influenced by reader polls. PC Authority did one recently, and I know they have done them before. For PC World, neither of those is true, as far as I know - they haven't done one this year, and I have no knowledge of when the last one occurred, which would place it perhaps more than a year ago.

I do think that there should be more games coverage in PC World, but the journalists are up to their necks in work more often than not.

Old content? Largely due to time restrictions. Most magazines are brought about about a week before the month they apply to. That gives (at the bare minimum), a period of one day beforehand that the printing company should have received the content. Perhaps that would mean three days prior to that that the editors need all articles ready to put in and, of course, edit. So that would give perhaps a period of a week before that for the journalists to do research and writing. And there are many more tasks involved.

Of course, with a much smaller, shallower magazine (such as Net Guide), you won't get the same quality of articles. Some seem like they read someone elses review, and rip it off into their own words.

And more about some of those how-to suggestions.
Secure remote access to your computer.
Well, recently, Australian Developer magazine had an article about cross-OS GUIs. Linux to Windows, Windows to Linux, perhaps Mac from memory, all over secure tunnels. I still have yet to comprehend it completely, but I discovered a darned good magazine.

Another thing that I think might be helpful to PC World would be handbooks. APC has done them. Australian Developer has done them (the last one was on databases, quite handy for me).
I think it would be nice if PC World produced one. Say, perhaps, on Linux. Or web design. Or application design.

My opinions. They don't count for much, and of course someone is bound to come along and rabble off at me about what I've said (and going off topic). But it's only fair.

Think of this thread as constructive, thought provoking speech. It might change something.

Kibito
06-08-2003, 01:10 AM
Actually I'm kind of agreeing with the people saying it's getting a bit stale.

In my mind PC world is sort of becoming like a forum topic. Once a forum topic gets over posted in, it gets OFF topic usually and thus we have to lock it or stop it.

Same with PC world. It is getting a bit off topic in some places but once again some places are really handy.

Issue I've found is ads. I mean did you know, and unlike Robo I DID count this. That in at least 4 issues of PC world in the past year and not far far away I'm talking recent, that in at least 4 issues, 1/3 of the bloody mag was ADS. thats RIGHT. I added half pages to make fulls and ITS 1/3 so when you go buy your PC world you're basically paying $2.67 for a pile of advertisements. (Usually about 50 ads - 150 page Pcwrld mag). Thats $32 a year. Thats just not on lol. $32 may seem little but it's the principal that counts.

I mean would you normally go out to the book store or whatever and pay $2.67 for a bundle of ads? No probably not. So why when it's packed with some other good stuff. Just like if you don't like burgers but like french fries, doesn't mean you get the whole bloody combo if you only want the french fries. You get it separate and you have the choice.

Problem these days with mags is it seems we as consumers don't have that choice. We pay our $8 bucks and a third of it we pay for gay little ads we don't want and like never take notice of.

None the less ads aside yea topics. PC world is getting SO DAM BORING these days. I mean at the rate they're going, they're going to need to increase the Dumb terminal to 50 pages not just 2, to keep the darn readers! It's turning into the only decent part of the mag and even so IT is even getting a bit lame these days.

What happened to IMAG.

Holy crap that was the best bloody mag EVER. It was so helpful, was interesting was cool had cool things talk to celebrities, files (pc has it too but still), cool letters of the week, LOADS of free stuff given out each month that at one point you could even compare it to a radio station! That seriously was a QUALITY! publication. And for some reason IDG shuts it down with the lame excuse that went something along the lines of:

"IMAG achieved it's goal to become a top selling internet publication but the new zealand market just doesn't allow for small magazines such as Imag and thus we shut it down." yea whatever man. So is that why Netguide is still going? And unless I'm ignorant, they don't have a huge producer such as idg which is producing about 4 other mags at the same time to back them. So whats up with that?

Overall I just wanna say that the Quality overall of PC world in terms of content, humour, relativity, massively stupid amounts of advertisements, and ability to keep interest is falling sharply and that IDG really need to get their act together and look at resolving these issues unless they want another mag soon having to shut down because "the new zealand market just doesn't ..... yada yada yada."

I rest my case.

Kibito
06-08-2003, 01:14 AM
Oh yea. And while theres heaps of people reading this thread.

Can I take the time to tell the dude who coded this forum. TO MAKE A DARN EDIT POST BUTTOn.

Jesus. You'd think it'd be common sense I mean what are we supposed to do if we forget to add a line after posting? post another stupid one right behind it? yea real smart man.

So yea robo if you could pass it on to the powers that be. Make a stupid edit post button really ticks me off having to make another post to add a comment or line etc.

Murray P
06-08-2003, 02:21 AM
> Oh yea. And while theres heaps of people reading this
> thread.

Just me you and agent at the mo I think and maybe, if your unlucky 1 or 2 more. Never mind it'll be all go again shortly.

> Can I take the time to tell the dude who coded this
> forum. TO MAKE A DARN EDIT POST BUTTOn.
>
> Jesus. You'd think it'd be common sense I mean what
> are we supposed to do if we forget to add a line
> after posting? post another stupid one right behind
> it? yea real smart man.

If stupid is the operative word, post away, more grist for the mill.

> So yea robo if you could pass it on to the powers
> that be. Make a stupid edit post button really ticks
> me off having to make another post to add a comment
> or line etc.

Having regrets! Now, what would the ideal thing to do be if, one does not like the mag and does not like the forum.......?....... Got me beat too.

I was going to post a reply re the adverts and agent's post but got all OT when I read on.

There has been some lively discussion on this thread, good ideas, and passion for the topic. Which shows people care about the subject matter. PC World isn't perfect and niether is PF1 but, IMHO they are the closest to it. I'm going to shut it down now while the going is averagely average and before it gets more so.

Cheers Murray ;P

mikebartnz
06-08-2003, 04:19 AM
>Issue I've found is ads. I mean did you know, and unlike Robo I DID count this. That in at least 4 issues of PC world in the past year and not far far away I'm talking recent, that in at least 4 issues, 1/3 of the bloody mag was ADS. thats RIGHT. I added half pages to make fulls and ITS 1/3 so when you go buy your PC world you're basically paying $2.67 for a pile of advertisements. (Usually about 50 ads - 150 page Pcwrld mag).

You have that terribly wrong because if the ads weren't there you would actually be paying a lot more for the mag. The ads aren't as intrusive as some previous pc mags I have subscribed to either.

mikebartnz
06-08-2003, 04:26 AM
Kibito can you please point me to some similar sites that allow editing of previous post. I think you should use the Preview button.

JJJJJ
06-08-2003, 06:56 AM
When I started this thread I did not expect the response it received. It would seem (without counting) that most readers have complaints with the content of PC World.
I have been looking back through old editions and have worked out where my disillusion started with it. The first issue that upset me was when they replaced the neutral cover with the garish one we get these days. Second disappointment. When Robbo was dumped from his entertaining page and given the page to write about his toys. I hardly look at it today. By the way, he never did tell us how he got on with his second attempt wit the Excel exams.
Geoff was my second favorite. Today he is just as good. Except for his secondary article on Linux, which I don't object to. I just ignore it. It is still computer related.
I don't object to the advertisements. Even someone as one eyed as me can realize they are necessary. They are not hard to ignore.
But what I do object to is the lack of computer related articles. They are getting harder to find. They are mostly lacking in detail. And they just seem to be put in to fill any available space.
I learned all I know about computers from PC World. And there's still a hell of a lot I don't know. I newbie starting off today wouldn't learn very much from it.
Jack

robo
06-08-2003, 09:02 AM
I still get to do things like I used to, Jack.
Excel exam? I only sat one and narrowly passed (got exactly the pass mark).

It's a hard call on what you call detail. Sometimes you have to generalise because everyone has a different bios, OS, or sound card. Other times, people turn off if there is too much geeky detail. Doesn't mean we can't put in the step by step details now and again.

I watch the news some nights and wonder why we get non-articles that are thinly disguised ads for a 20 minutes or 60/60 exclusive. I see the front cover of the Herald talking about Paul Holmes having a brush with death (he combed his hair and a hearse went past). PCW hasn't got that bad (yet).
We do try.
robo.

Warren
06-08-2003, 10:16 AM
I have been buying PCW since getting our first windows based PC back in 1997.
The help it and this forum has given me over the years has been fantastic.
It would be nice to see some more "how to" articles and as being a personal PC user i don't need to see reviews on office lasers and PDAs etc.
But in saying that i relise there are a lot of IT people who like to keep up with the latest gagets around.
Alot of people are still using older PCs and i would like to see articles on how to keep them working in optimal condition.
And a lot of us are still using older operating systems as XP is too expensive to upgrade.
Keep up the good work robo...

Murray P
06-08-2003, 10:16 AM
>It would seem (without
> counting) that most readers have complaints with the
> content of PC World.

Hi Jack, I just counted. Six posts with complaints, counting Billy's one small gripe re PF1 content in PC World. The other posts are; either repeats by the same people of points made in their earlier posts, supportive, put forward suggestions, or OT. 53:6 (59) Not a bad ratio I reakon, even the the "complaints" are mostly constructive in some way.

I think if people were to compare the mag's content, advertizing %, advertorial % (0) and depth (as opposed to shallow) with other mags largely written and published in NZ then with similar circulations, they would find that they're getting very good bang for you buck.

Cheers Murray P

Erin Salmon
06-08-2003, 10:46 AM
I do really like PCA, but the main thing I think that sets it apart is the reviews of PCs from various manufacturers... You get a very good idea of what performs well and so on. The journalism is nothing special - PCW is far superior.

I'm not again cellphone reviews etc, but I think a shift back towards PC hardware would be a grand idea!

:P

Erin

agent
06-08-2003, 12:00 PM
Mr Kibito.

Personally, I don't think your attitude at the time of posting is welcome here.

> Can I take the time to tell the dude who coded this forum

For starters, there was no single "dude who coded this forum". It was developed by a company, and IDG bought the forum software to use it. Sure, they've tweaked it, but it is still the same underlying forum.

> Jesus. You'd think it'd be common sense I mean what are we
> supposed to do if we forget to add a line after posting?
> post another stupid one right behind it? yea real smart man.

So, what if you want to add a line after posting. Well, it's simple. You click 'Reply', and add your lines. Comprehend? If you are inclined to think that this is simply posting another stupid one right behind it, perhaps you shouldn't be posting at all. The way I read that statement, you think your original post is stupid, and you want to post another stupid one immediately after it. I don't know about you, but that's not incredibly smart to me.

> Make a stupid edit post button really ticks me off having to
> make another post to add a comment or line etc.

Oh, now I see that you think the concept of an 'Edit Post' button is stupid? That defies the whole point of actually wanting an 'Edit Post' button.

And if you were to think, while an 'Edit Post' button might come in useful sometimes (I can think of two times when I posted passwords and other personal information by accident - but it's not hard to email a moderator and ask them to remove the information), it is actually a very good safe guard. It means that, if you post something incredibly rude about someone, you can't go and remove it later to stop so many people knowing about it. It is a buffer, of sorts.

Though, I must admit, it might be easily done where, upon editing your post, a new entry into the database is made, and the old one kept, but marked to point at the editted one - that way, if the moderators are required to hand over evidence about something, they have both the original and editted versions.

Lastly, I would like to comment on some of your language.

Take "holy crap", for instance. Perhaps you are inclined to think that filthy waste is holy, but some people might not be under that influence. I'm not religious, but it most certainly wouldn't be hard for statements like that to upset people who are religious.

Then there's "best bloody mag EVER". I still don't know about you, but I'm not one to like magazines that are covered in blood.

"you could even compare it to a radio station!". Sorry mate, but you can't. That's like comparing apples with oranges, they are two completely separate items.

And what about "gay little ads"? That is not politically correct language. Ads themselves cannot be gay. So it would seem you used the term 'gay' in a derogatory fashion. Well, that might be fine with you (and it obviously points out your stance), but some people on this forum might, once again, take offence to it.

"I rest my case". Really? What case? I never noticed a case...

John H
06-08-2003, 12:16 PM
Oh for goodness sake, agent, get a life.

This thread is developing very well, and it doesn't need diversions like this.

John

metla
06-08-2003, 12:35 PM
wow.....i kena believe anyone out there could get offended by saying Holy crap.

PoWa
06-08-2003, 12:51 PM
Well some people certainly unleashed an arsenal on poor ol' PC World :p

Robo, could we please see some reviews for PC manufacturers or even resllers? Quality of service and parts?? Maybe try something like they do on the tv programme Target. Whereas you would send in a spy to buy a pc from some mainstream pc manufacturers, and then see just how good their workmanship and customer service is. Then report back on your findings in the Magazine. Even a poll each month or something? Or is that sort of thing best left to Target and Consumer Magazine?

Also Robo, could you or 'the tech guy' to write up a review on the latest dual processing motherboards? As I stated earlier you only need Win2k, or XP Pro or a SMB compatible linux OS to make it work. The tech guy writes about hyperthreading P4 chips, so why not review the real deal, 2 cpus in the one machine? Just thinking about the subject is interesting enough :p Heck if no-one wanted to, I could do the research and write up something for it.

Cheers

SKT174
06-08-2003, 01:13 PM
> Kibito can you please point me to some similar sites
> that allow editing of previous post. I think you
> should use the Preview button.

Sorry .. but all the forums I go allow editing :D here are just a few ...

Overclockers NZ (http://forums.overclockers.co.nz/)
BrightHand (http://discussion.brighthand.com/palmhandhelds/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=151)
Palm InfoCentre (http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=30)
Performance Car NZ (http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/phpBB/index.php)
Club Sub NZ (http://www.clubsub.org.nz/modules.php?name=Forums)
Nizan Drift & Performance (http://defy.net.nz/nizan/index.php)

Murray P
06-08-2003, 02:42 PM
And most have much tighter control on what you can and cannot do, how much involvement the moderator is going to have in your post. There's allways a flip side.

Cheers Murray P

agent
06-08-2003, 03:00 PM
> Oh for goodness sake, agent, get a life.
> This thread is developing very well,
> and it doesn't need diversions like this.

So you think I don't have a life. What would I be then? A ghost? Zombie? Mummy? But, then again, I suppose you don't believe in any of those.

You certainly didn't seem to notice that it was Kibito who was using unneccessary, politically incorrect terms (someone could sue him for some of those words), and don't forget, of course, being single-minded.

At least in my posting I was open-minded, made constructive comments of PC World, and suggested alternative magazines for people who are for some reason or another dissatisfied with PC World at the moment.

Yes, this thread is developing very well, and what it doesn't need is people like Kibito, and now you, being single-minded and utterly ridiculous.

How about you step out of the dark and open yourself to new ideas in the ever-changing world. Some of them might just make you change for the better.

Graham L
06-08-2003, 03:53 PM
What no thread needs is personal abuse. Just stop it.

Kibito
06-08-2003, 05:05 PM
You are one sad case Agent....

SKT174
06-08-2003, 05:17 PM
> And most have much tighter control on what you can
> and cannot do, how much involvement the moderator is
> going to have in your post. There's allways a flip
> side.

Please give me some examples for what I can do in Press F1 that I won't be allowed to do so in those "tighter forums"?

I don't feel the "tighter control" in those forums, nor the moderator steps in everynow and then.

I'm sure what you can do in PressF1 you can also do it in those so called "tighter control" forums if not more. :)

Cheers

Graham L
06-08-2003, 05:33 PM
JUST STOP IT.

Read Bruce's posting about behaviour.

If you want to slang off each other go and do it somewhere else. The alt.flame and other similar news groups are made for it. This is not.

SKT174
06-08-2003, 05:43 PM
Err.. ?:|

i was just talking about various forums, wasn't slanging off each other :(

agent
06-08-2003, 06:04 PM
I've really had enough of the attitudes in here.

Murray P
06-08-2003, 07:02 PM
I have to agree with GL, although I don't think you need to feel that he was directing his advice specifically at you SKT, and I certainly did not take offence with your comments re the forums.

I had a look at the sites you posted, if they adhere to their posting policy then, the forums would be based on a tighter control than PF1. Having said that however, the only one I have visited before is the OC NZ forum and I have never posted there. I would offer the opinion that the majority of posts on OC NZ would be considered very OT on PF1 and seem to go nowwhere fast at times, but I also don't doubt the knowledge of many of the posters and they certainly exhibit alot of freedom.

I still don't like the idea of an edit option for PF1, as I think it has the potential to add to careless behaviour. A 360 on my thoughts before I visited those sites but, now for different reasons :D

Cheers Murray P

attaboy999
06-08-2003, 07:22 PM
I kinda agree with you, i always read pc world magazine but i am kinda sick with all those cameras and stuff, they should be on the FWDD magazine, i'm more looking forward to articles about software and hardware, not really cameras and cellphones and all those communication stuff.

I love the section on games, that's one of the only things i'm looking forward to read in pc world magazine.

So maybe try to improve it a bit!!!

regards

SKT174
06-08-2003, 07:37 PM
>I still don't like the idea of an edit option for PF1

Yes, I can understand it does have it Pros & Cons.

Actually, have or not have edit function doesn't worry me at all. As I usually read my msg twice before hitting the post or submit button :)

Cheers Murray

Baldy
06-08-2003, 07:49 PM
Last time I went out my front door, it was a FREE world.
If you think that PCWorld has too many adverts, articles on cameras, DVD players or whatever equipment you don't like, and there is very little in the magazine by way of PC equipment thats of interest DON'T BUY IT.
Personally, for me it has an excellent mix, but we are all different.

vk_dre
06-08-2003, 11:32 PM
Lets all just calm down and do our bit to make this forum a better place. :) No bickering, nothing, its no one's fault just make sure no one does it again. It's always GL who steps in to break up the arguments :D Without GL wot would we do?

cheers,
v.K

GrahamB
07-08-2003, 12:32 AM
I'm surprised at the bad rep for PCco! I have purchased 3 of my last four computers there, and have had very little trouble to be honest.

Very disappointed that they have closed down PN Branch, because the odd minor challenge could be fixed without having shipping hassles, and now I need a new fan on one that I bought two years ago and will have to ship it to Hamilton probably which is a bummer!

But generally I rate them pretty highly!

Regards
Graham Bockett

vk_dre
07-08-2003, 12:36 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong but arent PcCo owned by MS?

Gorela
07-08-2003, 12:46 AM
PoWa,

To run two or more processors requires an operating system that can do that. That means you need Windows 2K or XP Pro (maximum of two CPU's) or of course Linux which according to SCO is now capable (well 2.5) of handling up to about 64 processors!

And on this topic....

PC World could mean the world of computers and all things associated with computers.............

Murray P
07-08-2003, 12:55 AM
Is it out of its warrenty period Graham? If it is take it local or pop one in yourself. Otherwise I agree, bummer!

Cheers Murray P

Kibito
07-08-2003, 12:57 AM
And thus the off topic conversation begins........

robo
07-08-2003, 08:52 AM
We could do that sort of thing, PoWa, but we would have to rely on information from readers to a large extent. It would be useful, though, except for the risk that some people might have an axe to grind with a given company.

Example (not PC but technology)
I tried to get a CD player fixed recently. No mention of how long it would take when I dropped it off, but they charged $40 deposit. Ten days later rang, and they said they would look at it in a week. Another week later and they said they would look at it in a week. Went and got it back. Service like that is something people should be aware of. Not only specifics about sample operators but what to look out for.

The Student
07-08-2003, 03:22 PM
> Oh yea. And while theres heaps of people reading this
> thread.

Thats right!........ Approximately 3,9999,00000

> Can I take the time to tell the dude who coded this
> forum. TO MAKE A DARN EDIT POST BUTTOn.

You sure can. Just ask the dude nicely....

> Jesus.

Son of God.....

>You'd think it'd be common sense I mean what
> are we supposed to do if we forget to add a line
> after posting?

Remember to add another line before posting.....

>post another stupid one right behind
> it? yea real smart man.

Thank you
>
> Make a stupid edit post button really ticks
> me off having to make another post to add a comment
> or line etc.

Like I said, take the time.....Tick tick tick tick...

KiwiTT
07-08-2003, 04:05 PM
I am a reader and subscriber of PC World, since it began. And remember $20,000 486dx pcs.

I am finding FFWD to be a bit boring as well. This should take over some of the gadget reviews from PC World.

PC World should include (and does in most cases)
- Commentary, Trends, Predictions, Bugs
- PC Corporate Usage section, for Servers, Networks, etc.
- PC Reviews for NZ machines,
- PC Mobo, Graphics, Hard Disks Reviews and comparisons
- PC Accessories short reviews(indepth comparisons in FFWD)
- PC How To Tutorials
- PC ExtremeTech (e.g. Atomic Magazine like articles)
- PC Windows, Apple and Linux sections
- PC Programming
- PC Games Reviews

Graham L
07-08-2003, 04:36 PM
But they persistently deprive us of naked ladies. :D Are they trying to drive us to the Internet?

Jacob4165
07-08-2003, 06:02 PM
Hmm a review/comparison on computer speakers would be a good idea maybe something between the rang of $50 to $200 (that's something I don't believe I've seen in a pc world mag)

Murray P
07-08-2003, 06:32 PM
They've succeded Graham, we're here/there now ;). Even the dog to the right has its clothes on though :(

Cheers Murray :P

PoWa
07-08-2003, 07:27 PM
Gorela, what the.. I said that earlier? Read my last post