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Poppa John
15-07-2003, 09:38 PM
PJ has done it again. S-----d Up. Maryann & PJ have bought a canon i550 printer to replace our Epson C20UX. M is on 98se & PJ on XP, networked & Ok on the Epson setup. Unplugged the Epson & plugged in the Canom, USB. Did the install & ok on XP, with a bit of hassle came ok on the 98. So far so good. How about making the Epson a local printer on the 98? Had a go but no success. Plugged it ito the XP, two printers. Did the setups as per the Wizard. Got the XP to work both printers. 98 wont print at all now. Have also lost the 98s ability to use the XP "C" drive via Shortcut to desktop on the 98 desktop. The 98 will access the internet Ok but will not "Talk" tp the XP. What have I done wrong. Have tried all I know (not much) but cannot sort it Help appreciated in words of one computer syllable, thanks... PJ

robo
16-07-2003, 08:12 AM
PJ
Do you mean you were trying to make it the default printer in 98? Is it shared from the XP machine?
Sounds like the 98 machine is no longer trying to be a part of the network, which a printer driver shouldn't have upset. Anything changed in the way you log in?
robo.

Merlin
16-07-2003, 08:56 AM
Read the installation documentation that came with the printer - or download the pdf file from Canon.

If the installation does not work, recheck access permissions on each machine in the workgroup.

Past posts indicate your attempts at networking to be an area of deficiency.
Consider either employing specialist assistance or undergoing training.

robo
16-07-2003, 09:07 AM
C'mon Merlin, stop beating about the bush, what are you trying to say?

Poppa John
16-07-2003, 09:20 AM
Robo. Merlin is trying,politely, to say I am a brain deficient idiot!!! PJ

Poppa John
16-07-2003, 09:26 AM
Robo. The first thought was to make it a local printer on the 98. When that didn't work we put the epson on the XP as a network printer. Couldn't print with either from the 98. So it does look as if I have disturbed the networking somehow. Will have another go this afternoon when the Sun has warmed my Low IQ brain. PJ
PS You may have noticed that computers & I are not Compatible. I do have a lovely sweet nature tho, not like some. PJ :D :D

Chris Randal
16-07-2003, 10:49 AM
"I do have a lovely sweet nature tho, not like some. P"

Well said PJ - that you do

Merlin
16-07-2003, 10:50 AM
No - you stated that - not me.


Working through your problem - logically - the cause either lies with installing a local printer then installing as a networked printer.

Fact: the printer has drivers that are compatible with both XP and 98
Fact: the network appears to work - in a fashion
Fact: earlier posts indicate problems with user access and permissions when creating peer to peer networks at workgroup level when one machine is using XP


Two options were suggested.
You were the one who decided to extrapolate one - and one only - based on your own perceptions.

Merlin
16-07-2003, 10:55 AM
Should read:

Working through your problem - logically - the cause either lies with installing a local printer then installing as a networked printer, or configuration errors created earlier when establishing the peer to peer network.

robo
16-07-2003, 11:09 AM
C'mon guys, let's try to suss out the problem.

I had a network that I couldn't make work at home, a mix of XP, 98, and NT4 and it took herculean efforts to resolve - and I have passed the NT4 networking exam. It isn't always easy, even for true geeks.

PJ: We need some specifics.
1. Are your machines both configured to be in the same workgroup?
2. Do they have IP adresses assigned?
3. Are they in the same subnet?
4. Can they ping each other?
5. Can one see a shared drive on the other but not vice versa?
6. Can you confirm the printer is in the XP machine.

Let's take it from here.
robo.

Poppa John
16-07-2003, 01:33 PM
Merlin. It seems my attempt at humour has offended you, I am sorry. PJ

Poppa John
16-07-2003, 01:38 PM
Robo. Have read your post & will try to answer your Qs soon. Have just had lunch & must now take my afternoon rest as dictated by Health & Maryann's orders. back when I am allowed. :D :D :D PJ

Poppa John
16-07-2003, 03:27 PM
Everybody.. To all those who coninually help this old duffer. & others, THANKYOU. Thro my long travail thro life, I have noticed that some "Things" that others find simple are not always so to someone else. Many many years ago when I was doing my City & Guilds Elect & UK National Cert (same as NZCE) I was continually beaten by trigonometry & vectors, to this very day. One of those things that no matter how hard you study it never makes any sense. A Mind block.
For me, electronics in general was the same, I never could get the concept. Yet I was a very very good "Relay logic" & Gas/Elect Technician. There was no one better in Auckland till I turned 50. Now I am a silver haired, clapped out, in pain, foggy brained, medicated has been with poor memory recall.
Do you think I don't find computers frustrating? How frustrating do you think it is for me, one who spent his whole electrical working life, fixing factory machinery. Yet I cannot make this computer do as "I" want? Anothr example of a Mind Block?
I am not asking for Pity with this Rant. I have enough of that in me as it is. All I ask (& usually get) is friendly, helpful advice in simple language & yes with humour thrown in. That is what PF1 is all about isn't it?
So, Again, Thankyou very much for your support. A very humble Poppa John

Graham L
16-07-2003, 03:38 PM
Don't worry about it, Poppa. There will always be a Few.

Who. Take. Themselves. Very. Seriously.

The factory stuff had to work. Computers don't have to. :D They are marketed.

But it shouldn't be too hard to get your printer going again. What's connected to what? printer wire (USB/parallel) goes to (XP/98 box), telephone wire goes to (XP/98) box, Is there a hub?

Poppa John
16-07-2003, 03:40 PM
Robo, your 6 Questions.
A1 Yes. Called MSHome, 1 Sigma (shop built) XP comp, Main & 1 98se bought SH Dell comp. networked & working ok.
A2, I assume so, but not by me, presumably by the set up procedure.
A3. Don't know what you mean by "Subnet"
A4 Have seen references T "Pinging" on PF1 but never done it nor know how.
A5 Shared files on Xp are veiwed on 98, or were at least. I don't think XP can view 98.
A6 Both printers, Canon i550 & Epson Stylus C20UX are at present both hard connected to the XP. Both are in working order.

Soory about the rant, just sheer frustration at life. I feel better now PJ :D :D

Susan B
16-07-2003, 06:08 PM
Hey PJ, you're OK and we will look after you. :-)

Now, I am no expert at all this, you know that, but this is what I would do in this situation, just to see if it works, you know. ;-)

Plug the printers into the computer/s where you want them. Turn both computers on and turn both printers on. If it has not already been done, make sure the printers have been set up with their drivers installed, if required.

Turn off any firewall that you may have.

Run the Win XP network setup wizard and get it to make a floppy disk to use on the Win 98 computer, just like you did last time.

Afterwards don't forget to go into each printer's properties and enable printer sharing.

Good luck. :-)

Poppa John
16-07-2003, 09:30 PM
Susan, Have done what you said, more or less, but no go.
Canon printer connected to the XP.
Epson printer connected to the 98se
Sigma & Dell computers networked.
Sigma XP will run Canon but not Epson
Dell 98 will run neither printer.
Dell 98 will connect to the Internet.
Dell 98 will connect to XP desktop via "Shortcut to Desktop" icon on 98 desktop.
Both printers are on each computers Printer section with sharing enabled.
No firewall other than the internal MS one. Had ZA but it was causing too much trouble on our network, so deleted it.
Ran the XP Network Wizard, made a new copy, ran it in the 98.
Re-checked printer sharings.
Still no go. Tried Printer offline & online still nowt.
Everything on the XP that is share enabled has a "Hand" icon by it.
My next thought is to Delete all printers & start again
It would be ok if when both printers were connected to the XP, that the 98 could use either one. But preferably one on each computer & print access from either comp.
Will see what tomorrow brings. Poppa John

cyberchuck
17-07-2003, 02:53 AM
> Dell 98 will run neither printer.
> Dell 98 will connect to the Internet.
> Dell 98 will connect to XP desktop via "Shortcut to Desktop" icon on 98 desktop.
This would indicate to me that the computers are not on the same workgroup or something like that. Internet Access is no problem as IP Addresses aren't "bound" to workgroups and can therefore go straight through to eachother, however as host names are "bound" to workgroups then if the workgroups are different on the computers, they will be unable to see eachother.
The MS Network Wizard on XP has a bad habit of wanting to change the network to "MSHOME" instead of leaving it where it is.

To sort this out, right click on My Computer (on the desktop of the WinXP machine), Click on the "Computer Name" tab and somewhere in there you should see your computer name and a button that says "Click here for advanced settings" (or something like that). Click on that, and then Change the workgroup back to the Workgroup that is specified in Windows98.
Sorry about some dodgy explanations for changing the workgroup, however I cannot find a WinXP Machine I can use for 5 mins to sort this out and am therefore resorting to doing this from memory.


CyberChuck

robo
17-07-2003, 08:18 AM
PJ
At the command prompt type IPCONFIG
It should tell you some IP details.
The subnet is the first three parts of an IP address, so in 192.168.0.1 the subnet is 192.168.0. If the two PCs have something different in the first three bits, they aren't on the same subnet and can't see each other without some router in between (so it won't go).
If IPCONFIG doesn't work on win98 machine, try winipcfg from Start, Run.

IP basics come in very handy with home networking now.

Next thing is to go to the command prompt and ping the IP address of the other machine: ping 192.168.0.1 <enter>

If it replies, good, if it doesn't bad. The next thing is to ping the machines using their names - so if the win98 machine is called "bob" type :
ping bob <enter>
and see if that works too.

Let us know how you get on.
robo.

Susan B
17-07-2003, 12:57 PM
Still no luck? Sorry PJ, I can't help anymore with network advice. :-(

Further to Robo's suggestion to do some pinging, in Win XP you get the command (cmd) prompt by Start > All Programs > Command Prompt. It turns up a sort of DOS window and when you have finished with it you type exit to get out. You can also get there by Start > Run and type cmd and press Enter.

It is similar in Win 98 only you look for the DOS prompt from the Start menu.

You may already know all that but thought I would mention it in case you didn't.

Don't give up. :-)

Poppa John
17-07-2003, 09:14 PM
Susan B. Still no go. How do I turn the MS Personal Firewall off?. I notice I am not the only one having problems with networking. Which gives me heart. Whilst all indications are showing that the Sigma & Dell comps are on the same workgroup they will not talk to each other, Yet either will access the Net thro the Sigma. PJ

godfather
17-07-2003, 09:44 PM
Hi PJ

Goto My Network Places
View Network Connections
Right click on the Network Connection (not the dial-up but the Network card one on XP)
Click on Properties
Click on the Advanced Tab
Take the tick out of the firewall box at the top.
OK back out

Reboot to make sure it happens

Poppa John
17-07-2003, 10:23 PM
Goddie. Did that exactly as you said The Firewall box was NOT, NOT ticked. ( I thought we were Protected!!!!!). However, neither was the "Internet Connection Sharing" box ticked. So I ticked it before backing out. Was that right or wrong?
Still cannot print from the 98 to either printer nor the Sigma comp to the Epson on the 98 from the XP.
Not doing very well am I. Have to go to bed now, Orders!!!.PJ

robo
18-07-2003, 07:46 AM
PJ
You've got to do the basics, check the IP addresses, pinging, etc, so you can see what you can do.
It establishes some facts before you go on.
Report back.
robo.

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 09:22 AM
Susan,Robo Goddie. Whilst I still have my daysworth of energy I am going to give it another go.
Susan. Have eventually found & got into command prompt. It is a black box with this computer details . 2nd line is "my name" documents & settings, Nowt else. What do I do next, please. PJ

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 09:32 AM
Susan,Robo Goddie. Whilst I still have my daysworth of energy I am going to give it another go.
Susan. Have eventually found & got into command prompt. It is a black box with this computer details . 2nd line is "my name" documents & settings, Nowt else. What do I do next, please. PJ

robo
18-07-2003, 11:16 AM
As mentioned above:

type IPCONFIG <enter>
It should tell you some IP details - you want the IP address in particular.
The subnet is the first three parts of an IP address, so in 192.168.0.1 the subnet is 192.168.0. If the two PCs have something different in the first three bits, they aren't on the same subnet and can't see each other without some router in between (so it won't go).
If IPCONFIG doesn't work on win98 machine, try winipcfg from Start, Run.

IP basics come in very handy with home networking now.

Next thing is to go to the command prompt and ping the IP address of the other machine: ping 192.168.0.1 <enter>

If it replies, good, if it doesn't bad. The next thing is to ping the machines using their names - so if the win98 machine is called "bob" type :
ping bob <enter>
and see if that works too.

This sounds tricky, but it isn't.
robo.

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 11:33 AM
Robo. Did that & got a whole screed of detail. How can I transfer it to "This" page for you to see? There is no Copy on the Ping page. PJ

robo
18-07-2003, 11:42 AM
Probably just as easy to write down the three sets of numbers, unless you do an ALt-Prntscreen and email it or post it on the picF1 site.
robo.

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 01:07 PM
Robo, As Kirky might have said to Spock "heyup lad wev'e not been this way afore". Have not done this Pinging etc before.
XP M/c Windows IP Config
Ethernet apaptor local area connection :
Connection-Specific DNS Suffix : nowt
IP Address : 192.168.0.1
Subnet mask :255.255.255.0
Default gateway : nowt

PPP Adaptor XTRA:
Conn-spec : nowt
IP Address : 210.54.69.97
Subnet mask : 255.255.255.255.
Default gateway : 210.54.69.0

Windows 98se.
Ethernet apaptor info, PPP
Adaptor Address : 44-45-53-54-00-00
IP Address : 0.0.0.0
Subnet mask : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway : nowt


Hardware set as follows.
XP & 98se network connected, local connection shows as working
Canon i550 connected to Sigma XP (USB)
Epson connected to Dell 98se (USB)
Acer scanner connected to Sigma XP
Kodak Digital camera docking port connected to Sigma XP (USB)

Would like to be able to use either printer, scanner & camera dock from either computer, & view each others "C" drive so as to share everything,
is this possible??

If things need changing, please do explain in the most basic terms.
Thanks for your patience. PJ ?:| ?:|

robo
18-07-2003, 02:00 PM
Your 98 machine needs to be configured for TCP.

In control panel, network, check TCP items on list
Is TCP bound to ethernet or PPP? Need one bound to ethernet adaptor, should be two there.

Then go into ethernet one and type in an IP address:
192.168.0.2
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
gateway:nowt (is that the name of the XP machine?)

Once this is saved, then try pinging as per before, type:
ping 192.168.0.2 <enter> from the XP machine, then if that gets four responses and times come up then try ping <98machine name> <enter> and see if you get the same result.

robo.

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 03:08 PM
Robo. Have completed your Para2,Used first "TCP" which was adaptor & it gave me a Realtek name which I know is the card which is fitted.
How do I get into"ethernet one to do the settings?
"nowt" = nothing, which is what is on the line. XP name is Sigma. 98 name is Dell. Sharename is C . PJ

robo
18-07-2003, 03:17 PM
That was the ethernet one, the realtek one.

A reboot and then try pinging. As for the nowt thing, damn, need a DNS server but can't do that without setting up AD and can't do that on XP home. I think you have to skip that, but not sure how. I used my ADSL router for DNS (which worked to a point).

Try pinging the other machine from the 98 one now.
robo.

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 04:22 PM
Robo, your 2nd para. Did reboot & Ipconfig. XP Eth Apapt Local Area Conn
block still the same values. The PPP Adaptor XTRA block has gone.
On the 98,the Eth Apapt info block is the same.
On XP IPCONFIG typed in Dell but not recognised. On the 98, typing in winicfg Sigma gets me an "Options" window. Is this what you expected? PJ

robo
18-07-2003, 04:24 PM
As before:
IP basics come in very handy with home networking now.

Next thing is to go to the command prompt and ping the IP address of the other machine:
ping 192.168.0.1 <enter> from Win98
and:
ping 192.168.0.2 <enter> from XP machine

Both at command prompt.
Do they see each other?

Merlin
18-07-2003, 04:31 PM
You understand now?

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 04:45 PM
Merlin. Not yet but I am getting there. A lot of my working life was in Supervision. I learnt early that ' A picture (or demonstration) was worth a thousand words. I think that is true in this case. This is a VERY steep learning curve for me PJ

Poppa John
18-07-2003, 04:52 PM
Robo. On XP. ping the 192.186.2 (or 1) gets me "ping request could not find host 192 etc check the name & try again" Tried it with & without compyter names. Same
W98. Into Start-run ping nos with & without Comp names, get a brief black window with scrolling text which vanishes too quickly to read.
My friend, I feel confident that we (you!!) will lick this. PJ

Chilling_Silently
25-07-2003, 03:21 PM
Amidst all this flurry to offer slightly more in-depth networking, I find myself stopping to think that nobody has suggested using WinXP's Home Networking Wizard?!

How about we try the following (on the XP machine right now):

Preferrably, save this, or print it out and disconnect before trying this, as things can go differently if the internet connection is active.

Click Start
-Control Panel
-Network Connections
From here, right-click on your Internet Connection and go into the Properties
Click on the Advanced tab
Un-Tick the Firewall for now... just to play safe (You can turn it on later if you wish to do so)
Put a tick in the top-most box under Internet Connection Sharing (Allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection). If there's already a tick in there, then remove it and close all open windows, then go back to step 1. ;-)
It may prompt you and tell you that your IP address WILL be set to 192.168.0.1
Agree to let it change this if it asks, if it doesnt then it should already be perfectly setup.

Now, click Start
-Run
type in:
cmd
this brings up a command prompt, type in
ipconfig /all
this will give you a detailed list of information about your internet connection and your network card.

It will tell you:
Your ethernet card type
Pshyical address
DHCP enabled (Yes/no)
IP Address = 192.168.0.1
Subnet mask = 255.255.255.0
and the default gateway should be blank!

Give me about 30 mins and I'll then tell you some things to try on the 98 machine :-)

*Feels like he's ripping apart PJ's network here.... It'll come together though, dont worry..*

Next up we're gonna make sure that Dell is assigned a static IP address etc... But I've gotta go offline for a while.. bbl :-)

Chilling_Silently
25-07-2003, 06:28 PM
Sorry its a lil longer than 30 mins.. and Im in Linux right now so Im totally going by memory :-)

Anyways, we're gonna setup the Dell PC with a static IP and hopefully things will be all peachy:

Firstly, right-click on Network Neighborhood on your desktop and choose Properties
Make sure there is TCP/IP > Ethernet_card_type here
Click on this and choose Properties
In here you want to specify:
IP = 192.168.0.2
Subnet = 255.255.255.0

Next, click on the Gateway tab, and specify:
192.168.0.1
You may want to add the name of the XP machine (Sigma or something isnt it?)

Next, choose DNS servers and add:
202.27.184.3
202.27.184.5
These are the two Xtra DNS servers, which basically converts IP addresses into web addresses, like PressF1.co.nz into 210.48.100.45 which your browser can use to surf.. Hope that makes at least a lil sense.

Save all that and reboot, making sure both are on the same workgroup, and on the 98 machine still, click Start
-Run
type in:
command
type:
ping 192.168.0.1
This sends off 4 small packets of data and expects the XP box to reply, if it does, then they're networked successfully :-)

Now you can start sharing the Printer... ;-)

I hope I havent gone way off the track here with the thread, but at least with this you'll know your network is (hopefully) stable... :-)

Let us know how you get on

Cheers


Chill.

Poppa John
25-07-2003, 09:12 PM
Chill. Sorry to be so slow getting back to you, could not get into PF1 till now. Have printed your 2 replies & started on the first one, the XP one. A problem tho. Start-control panel ok. But you say"Network Connections" my screen is multi choice. Network & Internet connections, then, Pick a task, 3 options & then pick a control panel Icon followed by 2 options. Which are you reffering to?
Also have deleted all printers from both computers. Awaiting your rply PJ

Poppa John
25-07-2003, 09:24 PM
Chill, Think i've got it. You were talking about the XTRA connection, Yes? PJ Going off line now.

Poppa John
25-07-2003, 10:12 PM
Chilling. Have done what you said in your 2 replies, hopefully correctly. The Dell 98se can access the internet as can the Sigma XP.The 98 "appears" to be able to access the Sigma XP, (not too sure about this yet). However if I XP ping 192.168.0.2 (the Dell?) it says "it is not recognised as an internal or external command,operable program or batch file". Ping from Dell using 192.168.0.1 Gives a reply as you said which scrolls accross the black window very quickly.
Whats up Doc. No printers re-installed yet. PJ

Chilling_Silently
25-07-2003, 11:06 PM
Okay.. in your control panel, click over the left where it says "Switch to Classic View" :-)

That may help for starters...

If 98 can access the net when the XP machine is connected then they're networked fine, and shouldnt really need changing... is that right, 98 can access the web when the XP PC is connected??

If it CANT, then follow those steps
If it CAN, then dont do it.. post back :-)

Cheers


Chill.

robo
26-07-2003, 08:13 AM
sounds like the xp machine can't find the ping command, like there is a path issue (which is a major pain these days with XP and all the system subdirectories).
Maybe we need to copy ping.exe into the winnt\ directory?
robo.

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 10:41 AM
Chill. Have done the classic view thing, puts all in a list form.
YES YES the 98 CAN access the net when the XP is on. However I don't think the 98 has FULL access to the XP C drive, but step at a time eh PJ

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 10:45 AM
Robo. Hello again. I assume you have followed Chill's posts. what do you both suggest next. Can we concentrate on proving the " local network" first guys??. Then perhaps the two printers & then complete access to XP from 98. If you can spare the time , thanks. PJ

Merlin
26-07-2003, 10:47 AM
Sounds more like networking has not been correctly configured - or the original OS installation has not been correctly installed.

Or alternatively MS have included a major problem with XP networking configuration.

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 11:05 AM
Two things I have just remembered.
1) Twice when working on the Dell 98 it asked for the 98 disc. When I put it in, it said file such & such not found, so I left it.
2) When we bought the Dell 2nd hand from the shop it did not have an OS. So we bought the 98se disc etc as well which they installed. But when we sorted thro all the bits & bits we noticed the disc packet was unopened. Asked the shop about this & they said they had installed 98se from their own M/c, but we had to buy a 98 disc to be legal. Would this have any bearing on anything? Should we re-install 98 from the disc we have? PJ

stu140103
26-07-2003, 12:04 PM
> However I don't think the 98 has FULL access to the
> XP C drive,

Ok, I have read Chill's posts so far... & I hope I do not confuse you or OT this post :)

Now does the XP computer have a "Guest" login???

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 12:16 PM
> ...have included a major problem
> with XP networking configuration.

Wouldnt surprise me with the amount of XP > 9x hassles caused! ;-)

PJ, The Disc shouldnt have any bearing on it, its still gonna be the same OS in the end, regardless of who's Disc you installed it off :-)

So, seeing as XP is sharing the net connection fine with the 98 machine, networking is going to at least some degree, which now brings us down to user-rights!

When you login to the XP machine, what username and password do you use (Im not asking you to post the password here...)?
What about for logging into the 98 machine?

Are both set to auto-login, or do you get to type in a username/pwd on the 98 PC, coz we're about to have some fun with Usernames okay PJ :-)

On the XP machine, Right-Click on My Computer and choose Manage
click on Local Users and Groups
Click Users
Right-Click somewhere and add a new user
Now, at this stage its not terribly important what the username and password is, but how about for simplicity's sake we call the user poppajohn all in lower case, becuase the names/password are cAsE sEnSiTiVe!
Give the user a password and remember it, keep it simple, coz you're gonna need to remember it :-)
Next, Accept the user and close that little "Add User" window
now, right-click on the new user you've just made called poppajohn and choose Properties
Now, under the "Member Of" tab, click where it says "User" and remove it!
Next, click Add
Click on Find.. and it should list a couple of available groups or something similar (Going by memory totally here sorry... my apologies if these arent the clearest instructions) and choose Administrator
Click Okay and close all out of that :-)

That's just setup the user poppajohn with Admin rights on the WinXP machine, now you want to login to the 98 machine with exactly the same username and password, keeping in mind that CaSe DoEs MaTtEr!!

When you reboot/logout of the 98 machine, you should be prompted for a username/password, put in poppajohn and the same password as you've used on the XP machine

You should now be able to (on the 98 PC) open up My Computer, and in the Address bar type:
\\sigma\C$\
This is the default admin share for the C drive on your XP PC.. give it a few seconds to think things through and it should be peachy after that!

Let me know how you get on

Cheers


Chill.

Maryann
26-07-2003, 06:03 PM
Chill. and Robo
PJ and I are trying to sort our way through the problem.

Am wondering .....when I use XP, I can use PJ's name and password, as a "user", or go in with my own name and password as a "user" ..we both have administrator rights. (Am referring to Login passwords)

When I use XP, I have a different password to the one I use on my 98....for no real reason....thats just how we set it up. Do you think that the 2 different Login passwords, even though on different machines, would "confuse" them.

Also on XP, there is another name that PJ uses at times, with a different password.(which he whispered in my little shell like ear ;\ ) PJ has deleted the "Guest" setting as was suggested by another post.

PJ says he will now check the workgroup, etc, to be sure they are both the same on each machine. Check with you all later, thanks. Maryann & PJ

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 07:00 PM
Okay Maryann, Sounds good :-)

Try creating a user as I mentioned in my last post.. With Administrator rights, and the same password/loginname as you have on the 98 machine :-)

Then see how you get on!

stu140103
26-07-2003, 07:59 PM
& Make sure You have that Guess account,& then you will not need to on the win 98 to enter the username & password every time you want to access the XP on from the win 98 one :)

I hope this make sense.

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 08:03 PM
Chill. sorry to be so tardy in replying. it was such a lovely day down here that Maryann made sanswiches & a flask. Went out for the day . Just had dinner & I am all yours if you have time.

Have read your last reply & this is what we have.

XP Login usernames, 4 off. Three names & Guest.
1) John xxxxxx, Administrator, Password protected.
2) John yyyyyyy, ditto ditto
3) oooooo xxxxxx ditto ditto
4) guest guest account is off.

98 only one login username
1) username oooooo xxxxxx (same as XP)
password zzzzzz

Also checked :- XP 98
computer description Home Use Home Use
computer name Sigma Dell
workgroup name MSHOME MSHOME

internet connection xtra
internet connection sharing enabled
internet connection firewall enabled

on the 98 it is ticked "share level access control enables you to supply a password for each shared resource" ( don't want to do this last bit if possible, would rather have free & easy access to each others m/c)

How doef that lot fit in with yor last reply???? PJ
PS By the way had to put the Canon printer on the XP so we could print your instructions pj

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 08:06 PM
Stu (& Chill) I hear what you say about Guest but will wait & see. PJ

stu140103
26-07-2003, 08:11 PM
Hello PJ

> XP Login usernames, 4 off. Three names & Guest.
> 1) John xxxxxx, Administrator, Password
> protected.
> 2) John yyyyyyy, ditto ditto
> 3) oooooo xxxxxx ditto ditto
> 4) guest guest account is off.

Turn it(Guest) on you will get on a lot better :)


> 98 only one login username
> 1) username oooooo xxxxxx (same as XP)
> password zzzzzz

When you try & access the XP one from the win 98 one, what do you get???

Do you get a message asking for a username/password???

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 08:12 PM
Okay.. Try this on the 98 machine:
Click Start
Logoff
type in a new username and password, make it John yyyyy whatever.. with the same password
it will ask you to confirm the password, so re-type it
now try accessing the XP machine :-)

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 08:31 PM
> Chill. sorry to be so tardy in replying.

I wouldnt worry about it ;-)

> it was such
> a lovely day down here that Maryann made sanswiches &
> a flask. Went out for the day . Just had dinner & I
> am all yours if you have time.

Yum! What kinda sandwiches? I like Tomatoe slices.. a lil salt.. lil pepper ;-)
The weather wasnt 100% great up here.. been a rather "slow" day :p


> How doef that lot fit in with yor last reply???? PJ
> PS By the way had to put the Canon printer on the XP
> so we could print your instructions pj

That's cool... Should be fine with it on the XP PC.. doesnt really matter, seeing as its gonna be shared, right ;-)

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 08:47 PM
Chill & Stu. Ok guys, careful here, I can only follow you one at a time or else I will get lost. perhaps, being both in Auckland, you could pick up the phone & compare notes about this problem?

At the moment the Sigma XP does not show on the 98 Network neighbourhood. The Dell 98 does not show on the XP Network Places.

I have put the same Username & password that I have on the XP onto the Dell as a login name, leaving Maryann as is.
What next? PJ

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 08:54 PM
Try this:

Open up My Computer on either PC now, and type the following in the Address Bar:
\\Computernamehere\sharenamehere

So, try on the 98 machine this:
\\sigma\C$\
and see if that works :-)

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 09:05 PM
Chill, where exactly is Address Bar PJ

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 09:07 PM
LOL, Okay... Click on View
-Toolbars

Select Address Bar

If it still doesnt appear, its likely just hidden over the right-side of the window.

If you STILL cant find it, open up Internet Explorer and use the address bar in there, its the same thing :-)

Let us know how ya get on

Cheers


Chill.

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 09:20 PM
Tried View-toolbars on this screen & on IE. No address bar. PJ
PS Now cannot access the internet from the 98 "Server not found" error message pj

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 09:27 PM
Ouch... Okay, from the 98 machine, we're going to establish if it's still connected to the net or not:
Click Start
Run
command
now, type:
ping 210.48.100.45

This will ping pressf1, if you get a response, then its still online, at least to a certain degree!

It should say something like:
Pinging 210.48.100.45 with 32 bytes of Data:

Reply from 210.48.100.45: bytes=32 time=150ms (this will change...) TTL=58


If it says something like:
Request Timed Out
or:
Remote Host not found

Then you're not connected at all :-(

Post back with the results!

Cheers


Chill.

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 09:28 PM
Chill further to above. With 98 in Maryann's name the LAN symbol does not show on her screen but shows as "enabled " on the XP, 100Mbps. PJ

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 09:34 PM
Chill. "Request timed out" three timmes then something which was too quick to read.PJ

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 09:37 PM
This means that the cables are connected correctly at the very least!
If you un-plug the cable, then it'll popup on the screen saying the cable may haev been removed etc.

Because the hardware is all working, you know its just a problem with the TCP/IP Settings somewhere..
Do you have ZoneAlarm by any chance, or any other firewall apart from the WinXP Firewall?

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 09:42 PM
Okay.. so its not connected.. try:
Ping Simga_IP_Address_here

You can find the XP PC's IP address (If you cant remember it) by clicking Start
-Run
type in:
cmd
type:
ipconfig /all

Jot down the XP's IP addy and run over to Dell and Ping the XP machine by going
Start
-Run
command
hit enter and then type the command in now, coz it wont disappear on you ;-)

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 09:45 PM
Chill. Unplug theXover cable & the no cable message comes up. Put it back in & message goes.
No firewall other than WinXP which I think is "On". PJ

Poppa John
26-07-2003, 09:51 PM
Chill. "Request timed out" PJ

Chilling_Silently
26-07-2003, 10:02 PM
Bugger!

Basically, they're connected, the cables working fine, hardware is fine etc, but the Settings are not right :-(

They're connected, but not Networked IYKWIM!!

I would suggest you try what I suggested on my first post, about network settings for WinXP and Win98... However, somebody else may have some other ideas to try?

There's also the PressF1 FAQ on Networking :-)

I wouldnt go changing the settings just yet... wait for somebody else here to say that they agree its a good idea to go ahead with it.

Then, I would recommend you set a system restore point on the WinXP system!

Good luck!

Cheers


Chill.

(As an after thought... for a 3rd person to comment on.. Would it be wise to un-install and re-install TCP/IP on both PC's... but bearing in mind that removing it would also kill the net connection until it's re-installed.. which would be immediately no doubt :-))

Winston001
27-07-2003, 12:58 AM
Being rather PC challenged I'd just like to say how impressed I am with your persistence PJ and the diligence of Chill and Stu and the others. I'm going to save this post so I can better understand.

Cheers to all of you.
GO THE ALL BLACKS.

Winston001

Thomas
27-07-2003, 01:07 AM
Where precisely would you like the all blacks to go?

Poppa John
27-07-2003, 05:31 PM
Good news, Success, success. It's working again!!!!!!!
Thankyou to everybody for your Help & Commiserations. Especially to Chill, Stu & Robo.

Both computers can access the internet, both can use the Canon printer on the XP, will not try & instal the Epson as well. The 98 can fully access the XP (so far).

So what happened? After Chill's last reply last night, I sat back & thought about it all. We were missing the LAN connection from 98 to XP. I thought I would try the XP setup Wizard again, put in the original cd, selected "setup a network" & ran it. I got to the window that asks "what do you want to do now" Four options. One of them was make a floppy disc to put in the other computer (which we had done). Another choice was to "Use the original CD in the other computer". I decided to do the second one. Ran the CD in the 98, followed the instructions, & Lo & Behold everything "Came Right.

However, due to your patience, I went through a huge "learning curve" and attempted things I'd never tried on the computers before. Maryann kept out of the way, as it was a danger zone with me hurtling across the floor, from one side of the room to the other, from XP to 98...back...and off again. Your patience was remarkable, Chill, and we think you must have had LOL as we went through it all. You guys are really great with all the knowledge you have, and share. Hope you can earn MEGA dollars in the future. Once again Thankyou all PJ & M.

Perhaps this Saga should be added to the appropriate FAQ??
Poppa John :D :D :D

Jen C
27-07-2003, 05:51 PM
Well done PJ ! :)

I think this thread sums up what PF1 is all about, helping others and a willingness to follow the advice offered, however many posts it takes.

Great effort Chill, Stu, Robo and all those others who offered advice :)

>Perhaps this Saga should be added to the appropriate FAQ??

:O what! And scare off anyone mildy comtemplating networking their PC's <just joking :D>

stu140103
27-07-2003, 06:00 PM
> Well done PJ ! :)

Good work PJ! :) Well done!

:) :)

Susan B
27-07-2003, 06:10 PM
That is fantastic Poppa John, well done!! :-)

See, I told you it was something really simple, didn't I? :p :D


> Perhaps this Saga should be added to the appropriate FAQ??

Yep, I reckon it should, along with the link to my own saga. You had me on the edge of my seat for a while, thinking that you were going to outdo my record number of posts to get the network working! :p :D

Chilling_Silently
28-07-2003, 11:00 AM
Well, that is great to hear PJ!

I was really hoping you wouldnt have to join Susan in formatting either PC's ;-)

I agree that it may be a good idea to link to this thread and Susan's, unless we keep in mind the name of the thread for reference!

So what have you done for user accounts?
Are you logging on with an account that is on both PC's (Even if it isnt active, but still exists)?

Im glad you got it done, and yes, Networking certainly is a huge learning curve... And you certainly were more persistant than most, and sticking with it paid off!

Here's to hoping your PC's dont crash and burn any time soon and we start a related thread all over again, lol! ;-)

All in a days work... :p

Cheers


Chill.