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beetle
25-06-2003, 10:58 AM
my beloved PC comp has a problem !!!!!!!

it took nearly 15 mins to start / boot from cold start today and then it hung it self in this process and had to restart it..

any ideas why?

i did a defrag yesterday and all seemed fine before i shut it down, but have been doing a fea hours on this thing trying to get my essay done (Due tomorow ) and yesterday it lost half a page of stuff cos it shut down on me,

any ideas why ? i have not added anything, did adaware run twice yesterday and avg and did a nortons system scan for virus' but found nothing major.

any ideas?
as i dont want to lose any info on here as some is work accounting,
and my home work, i saved stuff yesterday just incase.

slow to sometimes respond to left / right clicks of mouse.


tell me something simple and hopefully all better ( like hell probably)
dreams are free.

xp home
IE 6
26 % memory used.

havent moved it and cant hear any undue noise's

?
please can some one help me?

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 11:17 AM
can you give any idea at what stage of the boot process the puter was at when she started to choke?

And how old is the machine?

Does it boot fine once its up and running?

beetle
25-06-2003, 11:31 AM
october last year we got it.

not good at that sort of info but this is how i remember it, how it seemed to go anyway.

first screen up then next one saying something about disk check (not seen this version of it before) all in boxes, black background, hole page taken up.

then just went blank.
no nothing, not even light saying puter is working. just power light, and it sat there for ages. 3-4 mins before i gave up and restarted it did same thing but was even slower next time round and then cam up erroe in windows or something may need to sart in safe mode have i changed anything ? configurations etc go back to last settings when stable etc

and while i was still reading that start to do like checks normal system check stuff

took a good ten minutes, or more i went away and was on phone for work for a short time so missed the next bit and when came back only had 5 lines on a new screen still doing system windows check.

then once that screen done
when to a blue windows screen

sp1 and windows stuff partitians? not sure wot else
never remeber to write it all down and then its went to black screen

checking disk / files
memory?

and then blank and finally log in screen but not able to use yet still going through startup ?

do you think the cold may have affected it?

does get slower when cold but not this cold?

what shows up as power surge problems?

a very sad :(


beetle

beetle
25-06-2003, 11:32 AM
oh and ps i havent tried a reboot, its going at moment so i not rushed at the idea of shutting / restarting at moment.

is this a bad idea?

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 11:57 AM
well,i would be taking the oppertunity to back up everything you dont want to lose.

Could be signs of an imminent harddrive failure.

PoWa
25-06-2003, 12:05 PM
I heard that shutting down you PC everyday isn't the best thing for it. It can wreck your pc. Its like a car engine...cold starts are not good for them, same with the circuits in a pc - especially seeing its winter. But I could be wrong, only what I heard :)

Did you open the case up to adjust anything recently or add anything?

kiwibeat
25-06-2003, 12:54 PM
Run adaware and spybot thru the PC also window washer and regcleaner

kiwibeat
25-06-2003, 12:56 PM
http://www.simplysup.com/tremover/

is also a freee trial prog worth looking at

stu140103
25-06-2003, 01:28 PM
> well,i would be taking the oppertunity to back up
> everything you dont want to lose.

Beetle does not understand how to backup her computer & she cannot understand the FAQ on it, that is what she told me on Yahoo Messenger when she had her last lot of problems ;)

beetle
25-06-2003, 01:42 PM
:p all smart comments about beetle cant because.... and yes im blonde...

:D no offence but i am still learning and reread those sort of things when have time and i understand some of it.....enough to get by. and save things

i do save info to disk but if that is back up then i do, :p

but your um inference that i leave it unning ? is that an option?
that is what killed the work one one it was running it got zapped big time, electronics smell when burnt dont smell good ok? so dont want to do that again.

ill look at prog after this OK?

but would it be something that simple cold? so put blanket over it at night?

its in the lounge, and our house is cold, (for humans) and it has block walls supposed to keep it warmer not!

cant remember any other comments made

but what is the difference between saving to disk and back up?

saved most important stuff, the rest can go he if lost dont need some of it anyway, and the other stuff probably dont use it.

and restart at 12.30 was ok not as fast as norm but ok, 2mins maybe ?

beetle

beetle
25-06-2003, 02:23 PM
ok ran that trojan thing and found nothing!!!

but have been talking to our friend who was the lineman on the job from pole / car accident ( boss : management position/ field manager) and said more than likely it is suffering from power surge due from being plugged in (but not on) at time of accident...
and he said get a new puter cos it will be on its way out from this surge...

is this true ? will it eventually die?

will it have unseen or unrepairable faults due to this?


beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 03:35 PM
How long ago was the surge?

anyway,ive seen complety scrambled puters that have had a surge running beautiful after a format.Having said that,ive seen more die complety and instantly.

Harddrive's can be very fickle.But once they start to go.....there isn't anything that can be done to save them.Even if they can be stabilised they soon start to go bad again.

And no i didnt mean leave your puter running indefinitly,just that while it is running to start making back-ups.(my sugestion is to have a secondary harddrive and store an image of your os on it,plus a back up of each and every file worth keeping,i also back up all my personal stuff to cd).

Cant comment on the lineman's opinion,id just make snide comments so ill keep them to myself.....alough i hear the rubbish men know quite a bit about potential speeds of Jetstream.


Make a real backup,then sit back and see if the puter continues to have issues.

beetle
25-06-2003, 03:50 PM
this guy is good at his job and he has always been on the mark before, and since he sees this sort of thing quite a lot, i think he may be write about those sort of things,
he wouldnt be where he is if he didnt know anything would he?

lately i feel that this thing is inconsistent, works great some days sometimes not since last week, (accident / surge on wednesday) we were down for hours, phone system and puters,
7.15 am till at least 12.00noon

and i dont know how to all that stuff, just saved my info to disk.

school work and pictures are my main problem, but they are saved onto disk.

had more problems trying to save my finished essay today, wouldnt do it
about 4-5 go to get it to write to disk today though.
and every now and again it closes or loses windows.?

gone back to being sluggish with PF1 too?

what do you mean real back up?
apart from this school stuff doesnt worry me if i lose the rest as most of it is just cleaner programs and OE or ? dunno

?

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 04:10 PM
Sorry,i was doing my best not to knock the lineman,im sure he knows his stuff....

Having said that,i wouldnt ask anyone outside the field about computer problems.Infact,if im looking for answer's i genarally do research through many sources rather then asking a linesman,

Saving to a cd is what i would term a "real" back up,That is a backup that wont be lost if the hard drive fails.

I would suggest putting a surge protector inbetween your computer and the hotpoint,preferably one that has a phone socket as well.

beetle
25-06-2003, 04:23 PM
i didnt ask as such he called round on the day when he was organising his men to fix it ( the power) and said it would be down for such a period of time and would stuff up anything thatwas plugged in at the time.
(hes a boss not a lowly worker, and yes he knows computers)

they had to replace other items from different places not just ours.

and our computer / phone installers boss has said it too.
at first thier seemed to be know undue probs,

and even their system failed at the time off this power surge, so they in same boat as us.

but on cold start its slow and when been running a while the screens / pages keep closing.

thought it was a mouse problem but it does it when im not even touching mouse either.?


anyway have to go out so it will get a rest and ill see what happens later.

thanxs for all help, too much brain strain for me at moment.
but problems dont just go away.
in my experience they just get worse on computers.

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 04:24 PM
And just to elaborate a little more,even if all signs point to the power surge,the mere fact that the advice given was its ruined,get a new one is proof that the wrong persons advice was given.

Sorry to be blunt,but thats the way i am,and the linesman advice imo should be dismissed.

But i aint saying the power surge hasn't caused the problem

beetle
25-06-2003, 04:24 PM
ps computer clock is out again..

and ive sysnchronised it daily since wednesday.... seems to lose about 5 mins by the time i notice.

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 04:28 PM
Dunno about the cold having any effect,I have my computer set up in a sleep-out with no ceiling,i sit out here at 2am in the morning and it gets so cold i lose feeling in my feet.

Doesn't seem to affect my puter in anyway.


And computer clocks are notiosly bad for losing a few minutes here and there.

beetle
25-06-2003, 04:32 PM
:p you do not know in what reference he said it and how i type it is not always how some one says it.

and it was not meant to be disparaging to myself or himself, he has looked at the other one and has in the past been caught out himself.

and you dont know power either.

and i admit i dont know these two things, but i do not jump down peoples throats when you were not part of the conversation at the time.

so please do not spout what some people know, when you dont know either.
no offense but you do talk about being blunt.
and i can be blunt to, but not here and not now

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 04:35 PM
Tragic.

Anyhow,no offence mean't and i hope you get it sorted.

metla
25-06-2003, 04:36 PM
opps,mean't isnt a word is it,should have been just 'meant'

beetle
25-06-2003, 05:33 PM
if this is meant to inspie confidence in computer people metla, it is not hitting the spot.
and it also does not inspire good business relations either,

its best to keep personal bias out of these discussions, i did not ask for a personal run down of what i type, just the help that is generally given on PF1 from the idea that every one is happy to help and no criticism is meant personal or otherwise,

if you cant take it then dont give it metla.

and it is not my problem of where or how you live that is yours.

and i do not automatically have negative comments of people i do not know, sight unseen, but it would be best if we let this disagreement die here ok?

cos it will be flamed if it doesnt.
and i hold no grudge past present or future about things you or others may say but when you attack a comment made it just shows bad form.

sorry to be grump but respect is a solid issue i live by.

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 05:42 PM
me again.

............................ha.

Time to get constuctive.

If your harddrive is starting to fail,You can attempt to stabilise it by formatting it(or by using suposed low level tools supplied by the drive manufacterer).

anyhow,Do an up to date back up of everything you want to keep(including your address book and your favourites folder).

Format the drive.

Load on your os.

load on your programs.

Load your personal files back on.

re-configure your connection

And you should/could be home and hosed.

Easist way to do it(after backing up your files)is to load in your recovery cd and choose reload with format,then the helpdesk with whatever isp you use will happily walk you through the 3 easy steps of setting up your connection and email.

If this is done and you once again start having hard disk errors then it is time for a new one(hard disk that is,not a new computer)im sure the PC company will provide a replacement as your computer is still relativly newish.


Regards

stu140103
25-06-2003, 05:46 PM
> ps computer clock is out again..
>
> and ive sysnchronised it daily since wednesday....
> seems to lose about 5 mins by the time i notice.

If that keep happing then the Bios battery has been zapped & is dying…

I might be wrong here, but it sound like it…

stu140103
25-06-2003, 05:52 PM
metla you are forgetting that beetle has only had her PC for 8 or so months, & I am guessing she is now confused by your post. ( she is only NEW to computers)

& i am guessing she will not know how to Format the drive, Load on your os etc...,

stu140103
25-06-2003, 05:55 PM
The first thing that beetle need to do is get her head around backing up her hdd. For now that is the most important thing.

metla
25-06-2003, 05:59 PM
> if this is meant to inspie confidence in computer
> people metla, it is not hitting the spot.
> and it also does not inspire good business relations
> either,
>
> its best to keep personal bias out of these
> discussions, i did not ask for a personal run down of
> what i type, just the help that is generally given
> on PF1 from the idea that every one is happy to help
> and no criticism is meant personal or otherwise,
>
> if you cant take it then dont give it metla.
>
> and it is not my problem of where or how you live
> that is yours.
>
> and i do not automatically have negative comments of
> people i do not know, sight unseen, but it would be
> best if we let this disagreement die here ok?
>
> cos it will be flamed if it doesnt.
> and i hold no grudge past present or future about
> things you or others may say but when you attack a
> comment made it just shows bad form.
>
> sorry to be grump but respect is a solid issue i live
> by.
>
> beetle


lol,What exactly cant i take.In every instance i was attempting to help.

1.I cant see cold as being a problem unless its extreme cold.
2.Harddrives generally are on there way out when they start to give errors,
3.You can attempt to stabilise it but its not a garenteed fix.
4.Replace the computer is bad advice.

If you take offence to plain truths then fine,i was trying to help.I really have no idea what the main body of the post is about.Negative comments?...try common sence,Personal bias....what?...where?...personal rundown on what you type?....aye?...are you refering to when i was trying to help?...not your problem on where or how i live?....what?...come again?....bad form?....for calling bad advice just that,bad advice?

i have as ive stated been trying to help,i made no personal comments about anything,certainly not the line man,i just called his advice bad.

If this reaction is how you respond to someone trying to steer you in a better direction then fine,dont expect my help in the future.

Sorry you cant be a little more emotionally stable.

beetle
25-06-2003, 06:24 PM
i never said i would follow his advice did I?

i never said i didnt appreciate your help

i just dont judge someone sight unseen because of his job,

and as for fixing it at the moment i do not know enough of how to do any of the things you mentioned,
and i am not ready to ditch it either,
but am not willing to give something a go for the sake of trying somthing when i have know back up and if something else goes wrong ive stuffed it up.

so i am not prepared to jump in boots and all and give someone advice when i do not know how much practical experience or knowledge they have of the job at hand.

and metla you sound to be a very sad man if you be this helpful and cause more grumbles than help. youre going to cause more riots by your abrasive attitude than normal.


just leave it metla im not looking at any fixing today.

i will not attempt to fix something when i believe this is a specialist techs job not a mere beetle job


if you want to help fine, but dont be so harsh as i dont understand any or all of the above

thats why im here to learn the easy stuff, but i admit this is all above my level, ive only had a puter 8months and never been on one before.

im not laughing any more,

you seem to be out for the kill, well you aint gonna get this beetle

beetle

metla
25-06-2003, 06:41 PM
i never judged him on his job,I spent 15 years doing the worst kind of manual labour possible.......



And in my last post before you come rushing in to tell me how much of a pos i am i simply stated i meant no offence and i hope you get it sorted.



anyway,all crapola aside,Obviously i upset you and i apoligise,It was not my intent.

beetle
25-06-2003, 07:05 PM
well lets just say its been a hard day for all cos i have not just had puter problems today ok?

my mind is not focused on any of the above, homework has been my priority, amoung other things.

and what is a pos? dont remember calling you that?

thank you for your otherwise good help metla,

apologie accepted, and if i said anything to the same instance i am sorry to.

and this will get some help, just dont know when.
not by me,

there's just so many times to be called useless and in the end sometimes it sinks in.

and at the moment i feel it.....................always have in conjunction with computers as it just not my thing.

Elephant
25-06-2003, 07:11 PM
OK... I have been off in Wellington for the last few days...

No PRESSF1 :-(

A *Backup* is where you use a program to make a copy of all your important documents. This is normally a compressed file from which you can restore the said important documents. To run a *backup* you normally have to re-install the operating system you were using and the backup program you used to *backup*. The backup will very often be just one file compressed and will not be normally readable by any other program other than the one you used to backup.

You can *copy* documents to removable media like floppy disks, zip disks, CDR, CDRW or other. Other includes partitions on a hard drive or even another physical hard drive. If you do the copy then you still have to load an operating system then load the programs that made the documents like Works, Word, Excel etc. You can then read the copy as it were.

It looks to me as if you save docs to a removable media. If so then you have a form of backup.

beetle
25-06-2003, 07:24 PM
thanxs elephant,

i understand that a little better than i did


beetle