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agent
15-05-2003, 09:24 PM
Just in case you cared, I'm going tomorrow at 0000 hours.

Which, in case you think otherwise, is tonight, at midnight.

Chilling_Silently
15-05-2003, 11:17 PM
Im watching the review on it @ 10:30 on TV 3 :-)

Damn good movie IMHO, and Ive downlaoded two trailers for it too!

agent
15-05-2003, 11:22 PM
Oh, well, I'm pretty much in the dark, apart from reading the odd thing in the NZ Herald. Wonder if that'll mean I won't be disappointed if it's not as good as the trailers make it.

Chilling_Silently
16-05-2003, 12:08 AM
Dude - That thing TV3 just had on Nightline made it look like one movie I'll be seeing more than once @ the movies!

PoWa
16-05-2003, 12:28 AM
The full dvd quality trailor of reloaded has been at the official matrix site for over a month now. You shoulda got it by now whats wrong with you people! (100mb)

Chilling_Silently
16-05-2003, 12:38 AM
Actually, its 94MB

Susan B
16-05-2003, 10:33 AM
Report to be filed by 20:00 hours, please: is it as good as the first one or shall we save our money?

No blow-by-blow disection of the plot though, thank you. Don't want to have the suspense spoilt.

whetu
16-05-2003, 03:58 PM
ok, first of all that 100 meg trailer can be found floating about at 20-40megs in high quality divx (converted from the mov)

now, the movie...

hmmmm where to start, I left feeling very "ho-hum" about it. It goes on a bit and there's a few too many slow mos and a few too many predictable lines... A lot of great action sequences regarded.. but probably too many.. There were also sequences that probably shouldnt be watched at all hours of the morning - highly philosophical discussions etc

Basically dont go into it with high expectations and you'll love it.. if you go in expecting ground breaking stuff, you'll come away feeling pretty unfulfilled...the abrupt ending kinda sucked too...

It's a great movie, dont get me wrong, but where the first one left you with a lot to ponder, this movie is more of a story builder...

agent
16-05-2003, 05:13 PM
OK, you asked for it, and you get it.

I must admit, it is a really excellent movie. Absolutely stunning visual effects.

Now, if you've heard that Agent Smith can now replicate himself, you'll probably know that this was done with some very high-tech systems. There's just a few problems with it though. I have to say, that, unless you were in a close-up shot of one of the many Agent Smiths, it looked rather like a game with DirectX 9.X quality graphics. This was due to the fact that, when you were seeing one Neo and about twenty (or even more than forty at times, I reckon) Agent Smiths, their skin looked rather... perfect. Too perfect. Absolutely no marks on it whatsoever, and the walls of buildings in the scene also looked rather game-like. Then there were the few occaisons where it looked like a Smith was overlapping another - yes, that's right, it looked rather like they went through each other.

Off that gripe, and on to another - my personal opinion is that the film left the roots of the original slightly too much.

I must admit, that with an explosion within the first minute of the actual movie itself, well, it's quite good.

Even though the film is somewhat predictable - think of all those stories with the end at the start - was that giving away too much? And the "superhero" who saves the day (and not just the day, either) And could it be, Neo isn't really "The One" (what, with his powers restricted to being used inside the Matrix - what kind of One is that?)?. There's the niggling feeling that he really isn't the One... you'll just have to see for yourself, I guess.

I'm left with one important question, though: how the hell does Morpheus keep his shades on?

Please pardon my extremely badly structured review.

agent
16-05-2003, 05:16 PM
Oh, and just two more things:

1. The rather stupid ending: "TO BE CONCLUDED". How stupid can you get?

2. Overuse of some even stupider things - puns - based around the word "point". You'll have to look out for that one.

Susan B
16-05-2003, 06:40 PM
> I must admit, it is a really excellent movie. Absolutely stunning visual effects.

That is all I need to hear. Tickets will be purchased shortly. B-)

andy
16-05-2003, 06:50 PM
Agent,
these people are supposed to be inside a computer-generated world, so of course agent Smiths are going to sometimes look like computer--generated characters - cos that's what they are!
I haven't seen it yet - I'm going tomorrow, so I'll post a review after that.
Regards,
andy

PoWa
17-05-2003, 06:15 AM
Well, I watched it at 11:30pm Friday. I thought it was pretty average really. There was some very nice special effects at times and good action sequences but nothing that really made you go "woah!" like in the first movie.

Some of the fight scenes didn't have the music to go with it. It just didn't seem right. A little more pumped up music would have been better.

Plot was very weak in my opinion. Often breaks off into philosophical discussion (to explain away the plot flaws that were in the first movie most likely). You really want to watch this not late at night!!

Be warned, don't take your kids to see this movie either. They managed to splice in a full 5min+ sex scene of neo+trinity with cuts of stupid zion natives dancing to a crap beat in the background with see-through tops. I mean what the hell!! Are we here to watch the matrix or a porno movie? They absolutely ruined it with that part and it was completely unnecessary. I don't know why they thought it was so damned necessary to have it in there but it certainly screwed the movie.

The remainder of the film was ok with a few twists but mostly predictable. If you watched that trailer they released, well you basically see the whole film there...

If youre going to see it, wait until the credits finish, apprently there is a trailer for the next movie afterwards. I didn't wait -didn't know about it till now when I was reading a website! doh!

whetu
17-05-2003, 10:44 AM
you can get that new trailer here:

http://hem.passagen.se/fazaa/the.matrix.revolutions.mpg
and/or here:
http://www.mikedingleyjones.btinternet.co.uk/the.matrix.revolutions.mpg

andy
17-05-2003, 05:16 PM
Ho Hum!
Well, I saw it this morning and I'd go along 100% with PoWa. It's pretty average, unfinished, has totally unnecessary porn, and the fights get a bit same-ish after the first few. I'll have to go to the next one just to see what happens though. Why can't these multi-movies be complete episodes instead of having a "Cliff-hanger" ending?
Best part - the trailer for Terminator 3. Arnie's looking a bit old on it but roll on the gratuitous violence (and a female terminator).
andy

PS - Now you tell me about the new trailer! Who ever waits around till the end of the credits?

PoWa
17-05-2003, 05:20 PM
Lol Thanks andy. At least sum1 supports my views on it :D

Baldy
17-05-2003, 08:40 PM
I saw it and was really dissapointed. Big on special effects and quite a mindless story line.

"Special effects don't make a great movie."

BALDY:-)

p/s: Perhaps if I had seen the first one.............

PoWa
18-05-2003, 01:51 AM
Anyone else seen it? Post your views!!

simonc
18-05-2003, 02:17 AM
I saw it today....gotta say...even on 4 hours sleep, it was great... There were slow parts (what movie dosn't?) but I think the ending / twist was the best part. Exercised the cerebral a little....
Remerbring that this is the second movie of a trilogy which historically is not the best of the three, but I think Reloaded held it's end up as a prelude to the finale....
It does seem wierd that the commercial for the Matrix Reloaded game makes a note that the game is R15, but the movie isn't?

agent
18-05-2003, 10:42 AM
> It does seem wierd that the commercial for the Matrix Reloaded
> game makes a note that the game is R15, but the movie isn't

That would be because most games with a medium level of violence (shooting guns, etc) are classified M15.

And those stupid fools think that violent computer games make violent kids? Pffft, no.

HadO
18-05-2003, 11:50 PM
I thought it was fantastic :D

Only a few gripes - the sex scene seemed a little out-of-place - I was sitting next to some 8-10yr olds and felt like covering their eyes.

I felt that it seemed very short - probably due to such constant action sequences.

The ending was a bit of a pain - but it had to be expected.

Does anyone else think The Matrix movies have extreme religious undertones?

agent
19-05-2003, 12:03 AM
> Does anyone else think The Matrix movies have extreme religious undertones?

Seriously, please explain. If there are, I haven't realised, but would like to.

HadO
19-05-2003, 12:12 AM
I'm not a church-goer or anything but the way "the one (Neo)" is approached by all the people in zion for favours and the offerings to him by others (all the baskets outside his place) - just seems a little "Jesusy" to me...

Thoughts?

segfault
19-05-2003, 12:39 AM
> p/s: Perhaps if I had seen the first one.............

hehe, you'd be kinda lost if you saw Reloaded without watching the first Matrix.

PoWa
19-05-2003, 12:57 AM
This might shed some light on the supposedly Christian things in the matrix, and reloaded.

go here (http://www.zap2it.com/movies/features/scenes/story/0,1259,-5--16910,00.html)

I don't really think the matrix is supposed to be Christian at all, it looks more like some cult/occult variation.

And ever wondered what happened to Tank from the first movie?? I did! Cos the other operator aint quite as good! Anyway I found a link to that here (http://www.zap2it.com/movies/features/scenes/story/0,1259,-5--16995,00.html)

cyberchuck
19-05-2003, 07:57 AM
I agree with Baldy here. I've seen both of them and thought the first was much better than the second - the first had a reasonable plot, was pretty much straight-foward and was excellent because it had special effects that most people had not seen in a movie.
Whereas the Matrix Reloaded didn't seem to really interest me - I went in with high expectations of it and was extremely disappointed. Don't get me wrong, there were a few excellent scenes in there, but there was nothing new and interesting to it.
Also, as PoWa said, Plot was very weak in my opinion. Often breaks off into philosophical discussion I have to unfortunately agree to all of that


CyberChuck

Dyan
19-05-2003, 11:23 AM
Yeah, there is a "second coming" streak embedded in the script for Matrix and Keanu Reeves' character does tend to have "new messiah" emblazoned on his forehead. I guess the world needs a hero eh... even the cinematic world... and according to the 'type' of people I associate with, there is an even deeper message... but that's another story...

Dyan (non-church-goer)

nz_liam
19-05-2003, 02:53 PM
Well I'm going to see it tonight on the IMAX screen on Queen St :D

agent
19-05-2003, 11:14 PM
Ah. I was so blatantly blind to that. Perhaps because I myself do not believe in all that fictitous nonsense in the so-called "Good News", also known as the gospels. Aside from that, religious figures themselves admit that the rest of the Bible is mythology and stories.

Perhaps the Wachowski brothers caught onto the fact that Christianity has been very popular, and thought of a way to turn that into a futuristic cult movie (Christianity is a cult, too).

PoWa
20-05-2003, 12:02 AM
>Ah. I was so blatantly blind to that. Perhaps because I myself do not believe in all that fictitous nonsense in the so-called "Good News", also known as the gospels. Aside from that, religious figures themselves admit that the rest of the Bible is mythology and stories.

Well even I didn't pick it out. I had to be told too :p. Besides agent I don't think any religious person in their right mind would admit what you just said.

>Perhaps the Wachowski brothers caught onto the fact that Christianity has been very popular, and thought of a way to turn that into a futuristic cult movie (Christianity is a cult, too).

Its a cult of what exactly?

A cult can mean something that lots of people are interested in and get into it quite a lot. Just like all the Star Wars/ Star Trek fans. I don't think you used quite the right terminology for Christainity. Christianity aint some popular fashion thing, its a life-long decision you choose to make.

It can also mean some religious sect of Christianity, where some people have taken some part of the bible, thought that it was a specific word from God for them only, and started their own religious cult/occult. Just so you know, Christianity came first and then anything else that spawned off that is referred to as a cult/occult.

You never know, the Wachowskis might be Christian themselves? And are trying to influence everyone with their movies? No-body knows a lot about them, they keep to themselves.

We're getting a little off topic here and without getting into an argument, I hope I cleared that up for you. :)

Graham Petrie
20-05-2003, 11:16 AM
I have to agree with almost all of the comments on here both good and bad. I thought it was a bit "cheesy", and the CG was very obvious even though it was touted as being very realistic, and there was supposed to be some fantastic effect that blew the effects from the original out of the water. If there was, I missed it.

As to the party/love scene - the saliva string was a bit of overkill in a close up, and as said above, I found the entire scene pointless - it did not help develop the plot 1 iota. However, the music in this scene will definitely make the soundtrack worthwhile buying - very cool.

Go, but I don't think it was worth the $13.50 + popcorn etc.

Unthrilled

G P

Lizard
26-05-2003, 03:53 PM
Finally saw it, and have to chuck my two cents in.

The obvious parallel is with the Star Wars trilogy. Both were conceived as a larger story but for budgetary reasons, restricted to the first part at the outset. When the first parts of both trilogies hit paydirt, the rest followed. And where Empire flowed into Jedi, Reloaded will likewise flow into Revolutions.

I agree with the comments re: the graphics. Impressive fight scenes, but after seeing Final Flight of the Osiris, I was disappointed to see Neo fighting the Smiths, and easily seeing nothing but smooth textured skin of the CG replacement. That brought me back into reality, just when I was starting to be drawn into the choreography. They managed the awesome detail of the skin textures in Osiris, so why couldn't they do it for Reloaded, with their big budgets?

As for the philosophical discussion, I can't believe so many people watched the Matrix movies and didn't get it - the philosophy is half the movie; the religious and literary references abound, and make it more than just another action flick. I fully intend to watch it several more times to absorb it all. And there is more than just a christian message, there are references to Bhuddism, Hinduism and more. The name Neo, means new, but is also an anagram for One ("The One") and tellingly "Eon" - a long time... (put simply) There are so many levels to both Reloaded and the original Matrix, it demands a cult following of its own.

As for the dancing/sex scene in Zion, that seemed to me to be a reference point for the whole distinction between humans and machines - that element of human nature that made the battle worth fighting. It was a little MTV'ish, but it seemed to have African overtones, with the drums and the muddy barefeet.

To those who didn't get it, try seeing it for more than just a good guys/bad guys fight, or a hero gets the girl sort of thing. I can highly recommend looking into the Animatrix (www.theanimatrix.com) and the game, as it opens the movie up to whole new levels. Anyone who didn't get the (oblique) references to the Osiris needs to look at the Animatrix short films.

Can't wait for the next one. Just glad it hasn't been marketed to death by the media. The game and the films seem to have been spared the ignominy that raped the Star Wars trilogy.

stu140103
26-05-2003, 05:29 PM
> The full dvd quality trailor of reloaded has been at
> the official matrix site for over a month now. You
> shoulda got it by now whats wrong with you people!
> (100mb)

Can some one tell me what is URL to the official matrix website ???? ASAP
Thanks

Susan B
26-05-2003, 05:39 PM
Did you try Google, Stu? The first site that comes up when I typed "matrix" into the search field appears to be the "official website" as far as I can see.

stu140103
26-05-2003, 05:49 PM
> Did you try Google, Stu? The first site that comes up
> when I typed "matrix" into the search field appears
> to be the "official website" as far as I can see.

Sorry for wasting your time Susan B :8}, I was not thinking correctly before I posted that message :8}

Sorry about that :8}

Susan B
26-05-2003, 05:51 PM
Just came across an animated desktop background which displays streaming characters in a style similar to what was used in the movie 'The Matrix'.

Find out about it here (http://zmatrix.sourceforge.net/).