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Chilling_Silence
19-11-2002, 02:31 PM
Im going to need to buy a graphics card for my new PC. I've ordered the Case and PSU, but I'm going to be running a DVD-ROM off it, and want a Graphics card that'll let me play Unreal Tournament 2003, and also do TV In and Out so I can watch DVD's.
Another question. I hadn't though about a SoundCard. I just want something basic to get out stereo sound (Not neccesarily surround, but stereo) to my TV or Home Theatre System, using RCA plugs I think.

I'd like some suggestions for both, and godfather seems to know about how to hook up the sound. How would I go about that?

Thanks guys


Chilling_Silence

Pete O\'Neil
19-11-2002, 02:46 PM
recently just brought "Leadtek Geforce 4 Ti4200 (WinFast A250 LE TD-MyVIVO Edition) 128MB DDR, TV-Out, DVI-Out & Video Capture."

I would reckonmend it to anyone , i play UT2003 on it flawlessly and convert the odd tv program to MPEG. It will easliy do everything you want and costs about $430. You didn't specify a price so i dont know if its too expensive, otherwise have a look at a ATI Radeon 8500 128mb DDR Ram with VIVO.

later

Chilling_Silence
19-11-2002, 02:51 PM
Okay, Looking for a budget card.... hehe, aiming for around 1/3 that, maybe upto $150 on Pricespy?!

Pete O\'Neil
19-11-2002, 05:35 PM
Arh... sorry about that. perhaps a Geforce 4 MX 440 is more what your after. (a friend of mine plays UT2003 on his, look nice). You could have a look at a ATI Radeon 7500, but i don't know how well that will play UT2003.

I think its going to be nearly impossiable to get one with VIVO, most cards do come with video out thou. You won't need the TV In feature to watch DVD's so perhaps for the moments its worth skipping. If you decide later you want TV In you always get a TV encoder card there about $150. (plus you get a few extra niffy features)

The third GeForce4 MX440 on the list at price spy looks good and a bit closer to your price range:
CardExpert GeForce4 MX440 64Mb $146.25
It probably worth having a hunt round at local shops and asking what deals they can do you, perhaps buy all your parts there and ask for a discount?

I dont know much about sound, but the soundblaster live's have always appealed to me. Sounds like your upgrading you PC? why not get a motherboard with good onboard sound? some have 6.1channel sound. I think you can pick up a SB Live for $99 inc GST. Any of the other cards are generally as good as onboard sound on most modern motherboards and probably not worth the cash.

godfather
19-11-2002, 06:05 PM
I use an MX460, it has VIVO
It has both RCA and S-Video connectors, in and out.

Never tried running a DVD through it, as far as I am aware they will be lower resolution than a stand alone DVD player.

For sound I just use a cheap A4 tech subwoofer / 2 x satellite speakers

But as I have a 300 w RMS Panasonic Dolby prologic surround sound stereo (50 CD changer) I don't need the PC for sound.

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 10:38 AM
So you guys would suggest a GeForce 4 MX 440 upwards?!
SB!Live DE 5.1 looks good, or something along those lines.. Did you say pricing was round a hundred bucks locally?!
Pricespy has an Austek PCI Card 6 channel for 31.50 from http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_1167.html
And being in Auckland, that'd be great. (Actually, its not $28 on their site!)

So, because it's six channel I take it I just have to hook up the stereo, but my stereo uses RCA connections, is that what this will be?

Please excuse the ignorance on the subject, This is all very new grounds for me, but I guess I have to start somewhere.

Many thanks


Chilling_Silence

BTW, VI can wait I guess. Get this down pat and then Ill move onwards

SKT174
20-11-2002, 10:48 AM
Best option for you is Leadtek A170 (GF4 MX440) VIVO and SB Live 5.1 and if budget can't stretch that far .. u can still get a cheap 5.1 sound card using Yamaha S-YXG50 chipset for $45 :)

But the GF4 MX440 VIVO is the minimum

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 11:03 AM
Alright, So just a budget 5.1 soundcard is on the list, I take it that it will come with some cabling for me? Or am I gonna have to make a trip down to DSE sometime soon.

SKT174
20-11-2002, 11:05 AM
>I take it that it will come with some cabling for me?

What kinda cabling r u looking for in a sound card ? U mean the audio cable for the CD ROM ?

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 11:07 AM
I have a spare one of those. Cabling to go from the soundcard to my home theatre system. On the back of my stereo is 6 channel stereo for DVD, but it uses RCA connectors. It wont be coming with that will it?!

SKT174
20-11-2002, 11:10 AM
Sorry .. no.. it won't come with that :(

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 11:13 AM
So I'll just need to buy some cabling that'll convert the 3.5mm plugs in the back of the sound-card into RCA - Correct or not?!

SKT174
20-11-2002, 11:20 AM
> So I'll just need to buy some cabling that'll convert
> the 3.5mm plugs in the back of the sound-card into
> RCA - Correct or not?!

Yes .. DSE will have them :D get the sound card first and see how many line in and out u have and then deside how many cables u might needed :)

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 11:26 AM
Right, well if that's set then I'll order the Creative Sound Blaster Live! Digital 5.1 this afternoon.

I'm going to go with the MSI Geforce 4 MX 440SE-T 64MB DDR VideoCard with TV Out for my graphics card. Are these wise choices, or am I setting myself up for failure here or bad quality outputs?! Has anybody had any first hand experience with either of these cards?

Thanks for all your help


Chilling_Silence

Pete O\'Neil
20-11-2002, 11:28 AM
I think its kinda pointless buying those soundcards. Most motherboards com with onboard sound which is fine and probably just as good as those cards you are looking at. I think you would be better off waiting a bit longer and buying a SB Live. They are really good cards for your money and have all those extra features such as "EAX™ and 3D Audio Technology" which will make games like UT2003 sound really nice.

Save that $40 wait till you've got $100 and treat yourselft to a SB LIve.
Plus that card will last for ages and you can transfer it over to any future PC's.

SKT174
20-11-2002, 11:30 AM
>MSI Geforce 4 MX 440SE-T 64MB DDR VideoCard with TV Out

Make sure it has VIVO .. but in my knowledge this card only has TV out but not TV in as u stated u wanted both :D

Pete O\'Neil
20-11-2002, 11:30 AM
damm..... you just posted before me. Yeah those purchase look good. Good choice going with the SB Live you wont be disapointed. I've heard good things about MSI on the net always wanted to try one of their products. Sounds like your building a new PC? what other parts you gonna use sounds like it will be a nice machine

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 11:43 AM
VO is a must, VI can always wait, it'd be another $120 for a PCI card that'll do it for me. Not too much of a hurry for VI at the moment...

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 11:50 AM
Here's what I've got so far:
MSI Geforce 4 MX 440SE-T 64MB DDR VideoCard with TV out
2x 256 MB SDRAM PC133 133Mhz
Realtech 8139c PCI Network Card 10/100 TX
Samsung Hard drive 40GB ATA-100 5400RPM SV4084H
Creative Sound Blaster live Digital 5.1
A standard Joe Bloggs ATX Case with 250W Power Supply
Im still looking for a M/Board that'll do SD-RAM and is cheap... I'm getting there
Also, a DVD-ROM (16x)

Think that's about it.

SKT174
20-11-2002, 12:01 PM
Hey .. what kinda CPU r u gonna use ? There's a Socket 478 Motherboard that supports both SD & DDR RAM (u can use either one but not both) so when DDR is cheap u can change from SD to DDR :) the board also comes with 5.1 channel sound card, 1xAGP, 3xPCI, 4xUSB 2.0 and Onboard Video as well . for $145 .. that's quite cheap

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 12:09 PM
ATHLON XP 1600+ ECS K7S5A 1xAGP, 5xPCI (SD/DDR)
http://www.sysopt.com/reviews/ecs-k7s5a/

Sound good?
$285 + GST!

CYaBro
20-11-2002, 01:08 PM
Is that price including the CPU?

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 01:10 PM
Yep, AMB Athlon XP 1600+

Chilling_Silence
20-11-2002, 01:16 PM
AMD I mean. All included. I think that's about it for my PC then..

SKT174
20-11-2002, 01:29 PM
Sounds pretty good to me for the price :^O

Danger
20-11-2002, 10:54 PM
So if I have AC 97 on board sound, I can fit a sound blaster card for improved sounds in my Flight Simulator?

Pete O\'Neil
21-11-2002, 08:51 AM
stay away from ECS motherboards I have only heard bad things about them on the net. They just seem cheap and nasty. Its diffenatly worth having a look at the motherboard with both SD and DDR RAM, SD is really going to be a bottleneck in that system. I know the board being talked about I think its the ASUS A7A266-E
http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/socketa/a7a266-e/overview.htm

But if you want a really really good board (it mean turfing the SD RAM) then the ASUS A7V333 is damm good. Probably the fastest VIA KT333 chipset board out there. Tonnes of features and its got a good price.
http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/socketa/a7v333/overview.htm

(i spend way too much time at the ASUS site dreaming)

I'm currently using a Soltek SL-75KAV which uses the VIA KT133A chipset it uses SD-RAM (not DDR) doesn't really have any extra stand out features but its good and stable plus its cheap, you can get it for about $200 inc GST now days.

Oh and Danger all you need to do is disable the onboard sound in the BIOS and insert the Soundblaster. But unless you have a really good set of ears then you might not hear much of a difference. Also depends on wat sort of speakers you intend to use.

Pete O\'Neil
21-11-2002, 08:56 AM
just remembered your looking for a DVD. OEM Computers in Manakau has the Pioneer DVD 16x for $132 i think. Pioneer would have to be the best DVD brand out there diffenatly worth a look

Chilling_Silence
21-11-2002, 09:19 AM
Yes, Pioneer 16x for onlu $95! Great considering from DSE a 52x CD-ROM will cost me $55, forty bucks more and I get DVD!

This is what I've finalised everything as, motherboard (Supporting SD-RAM and DDR), and Graphics card, sound card etc.

Here goes:
Elitegroup K7S5A VIA KT266 Chipset Socket A ATX 200/266MHz c/w Sound
(http://www.xbitlabs.com/mainboards/ecs-k7s5a/)
AMD Athlon XP CPU 1700+ (1.4GHz) FSB266
Heatsink for AMD Athlon
Samsung 16x DVD-ROM
ATX Case with 250W Power Supply
Creative Sound Blaster live Digital 5.1
Realtech 8139c PCI Network Card 10/100 TX
256 MB SD-RAM 133Mhz PC133
MSI Geforce 4 MX 440SE-T 64MB DDR VideoCard with TV out

Hows that all souding?
I like that the Moterboard supports DDR and SD-RAM, but not at the same time which is kinda stink ?!

Lemme know what you think and I'll be ordering most of it today

Cheers


Chilling_Silence

Pete O\'Neil
21-11-2002, 10:43 AM
eeemmmmmm........ that board looks alright, good review, good features. So it might be alright. If you do decide to buy that board make sure you get it without the on board L.A.N since you already have a card and save a dew dollars. Is it possiable to buy it in NZ?

Where abouts are you getting the DVD for $95 from sound too good to be true might have to get me one.

Chilling_Silence
21-11-2002, 10:50 AM
If Im getting it with onboard LAN, i'll just not buy a card... either way I dont mind.

http://www.etccomputers.co.nz
http://www.qmb.co.nz

Ones $99 and ones $95 (special price...)

All up, my system is gonna come to a grand total of:
$815.625 (Give or take a few bucks)

So I'm pleased. Has anybody else got anything to say about the motherboard, such as reviews or anything?

I'm pretty sure I'll be okay with that Graphics Card!

BTW, Pete, These shops are both in Auckland, So I dunno where you live but there's a REALLY cheap shop in Chch, and another good one in Wellington that I found the other day, both have great pricing on DVD-ROM's and also soudcards... Just in case you're interested.

Cheers


Chilling_Silence

Chilling_Silence
21-11-2002, 10:51 AM
> card and save a dew dollars. Is it possiable to buy
> it in NZ?
>
> Where abouts are you getting the DVD for $95 from
> sound too good to be true might have to get me one.

Yeah, All right here in the City of Sails (Does anybody actually use that anymore or is there a new slogan for AK City?)

Pete O\'Neil
21-11-2002, 10:56 AM
yeah i'm livin' it up in Auckland. Checked out those sites pretty good deals. also check out OEM Computers http://www.oemcomputers.co.nz in manakau thats where i buy all my parts.