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rayonline
23-10-2002, 08:51 PM
What type of motherboards are there? There's ATX, Micro ATX and is Small Factor the 3rd one? I am liking the slimmer computer cases and not into overclocking, heaps of drive bays, cards etc... just wanna capable system for few games, dvd, internet, network, modem, ADSL. One FDD, DVD, HDD. Ethernet, modem, maybe wireless LAN too.

The cpu's if not lagging behind that much is ok. Prices if not too much diff is ok too, doh upgrade that often, if I do tend to replace parts than add more to the current system.

I am thinking of getting a IBM Netvista case (auction or somehow) and build it up w/ parts obtained locally. I know IBM desktops parts sux. To partner it with my IBM Thinkpad (the best laptops I think). Again I stress into a bit of gaming, DVD, mostly MS Office, internet, email, chatting (MSN, ICQ, Netmeeting) and oddly editing video and picture, photography running Adobe (planned). Will normally upgrade CPU like only when painfully slow. Like a AGP slot too, so I can change v-card much easier (i suppose micro atx cant do this?).


Rayonline

tweak\'e
23-10-2002, 09:36 PM
microATX mobos general are cheaper workstation type boards eg have onboard graphics etc. not to good if you want to play games and want an AGP slot. also they only have a few pci slots so they can be limited for adding in cards (modems, lans cards, sound cards etc).

be aware slimline cases can be a major pain as you need to get half height cards which are not easy to get. i've had a few wher to add in a new card i had to replace the whole case.

rayonline
23-10-2002, 10:10 PM
thanx jus a few questions

I know M-ATX, is right out since I need AGP.

possible to get AGP for Small Form types?? this is a type separate to Micro ATX and ATX??

Does local sourced mobos fit ok into Netvista/Intellistation cases?

tweak\'e
23-10-2002, 10:22 PM
>Small Form types

don't know of this one.

>Does local sourced mobos fit ok into Netvista/Intellistation cases?

no idea. the trouble with some brand name pc's (eg compaq etc) is they fit only their own motherboard. can you find a link to a pic or specs?

rayonline
24-10-2002, 08:58 AM
Hi tweake,
Its called Small Form Factor.

I have sourced some help. This I think is industry Micro ATX: there is a link to the Micro ATX Soyo motherboard. This is not what I am after since no AGP.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062462022


Is this industry ATX??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2063038190

This is the one I like:
It does 1 AGP but is taken up - so I can change if need be. 3 PCI avail and total. Very limted info thou. Hsve failed to get a picture of the mobo
http://commerce-29.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=8560628&cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&cntry=554&lang=en_NZ&scrfnbr=92&shoptype=D&cgrfnbr=2056804

rayonline
24-10-2002, 09:08 AM
sorry doh know what happend b4:

Is this ATX: (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2063038190)


Micro ATX? - not for me since need AGP (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062462022)


www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=2056804&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=554&lang=en_NZ&scrfnbr=92]IntelliStation (http://commerce-29.[url) E[/url]
Don't know what it is ... is called SMALL FORM FACTOR. Has 1 AGP, 3 PCI.


I do not need ADSL. Other PC would have in house. This I intend to have AGP graphics, one FDD, HDD, CD/DVD. NO CDRW - other PC have. Perhaps modem, ethernet, wireless LAN, TV tuner (jus maybe), sound thus ... (upto 1 AGP, 5 PCI). Well if I do run out, I will get the normal tower case by IBM Netvista/Intellistation.

The most impt Q is, the last point a industry standard board. No big deal if not, I just get the normal tower instead.



Rayonline

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rayonline
24-10-2002, 09:11 AM
IntelliStation E:
Don't know what it is ... is called SMALL FORM FACTOR. Has 1 AGP, 3 PCI.

Micro ATX? - not for me since need AGP:


The above should not be a link. I typed those words manually, doh kow how the klink came about.

CYaBro
24-10-2002, 09:18 AM
I just put togethe a PC with a Gigabyte G-Max case and motherboard for my sister.
It has a Flex ATX board with AGP slot and also came with a Radeon 32MB 4x AGP half-height card.
Also has a floppy drive, 52x CD-ROM and optical mouse to match the colour of the case!

Check it out here (http://www.bdt.co.nz/computer/docs/gigabyte/464316.asp)

All you need to add is HDD, RAM and CPU.

tweak\'e
24-10-2002, 10:09 AM
i personally hate the slimline pcs as they are a nightmare to upgrade (and repair)

i would suggest sticking to a standard size cases and mobo's.

CYaBro
24-10-2002, 10:39 AM
Also check out these little PC's. They take a standard AGP card!!

Shuttle Mini PC (http://www.shuttle.com/new/product/barebone/specs_b.asp?B_id=7)

rayonline
24-10-2002, 03:40 PM
I either would consider slimline or tower cases of IBM Intellistation. To partner with Thinkpad. Nah.. little ones is not my taste. Thats means I can take ATX boards or maybe a diff one for the slimline. If i cannot - I will stick with tower Intellistation.

Most things will be integrated anyway like, ethernet, modem, I/O and even sound. I *may* get a better sound card doh know. A SCSI 160 card, wireless LAN, AGP graphics is all I need. Rather get APG separate and scsi since can migrate to new mobo in future if i wish. So 2 PCI, 1AGP certainly fit into slimline. wireless lan can be usb.

Just a question if can get hold of a new mobo for slimline. if cant will gethe ibm tower. well now... maybe tower since need 64bit pci for scsi 160. thanks for the help will just check the slimline layout b4 i purchase and see the avail mobos if not wil do ibm tower.

rayonline
24-10-2002, 07:02 PM
yip its either a microatx or normal atx (towers). since its alot integrated saves the pci slots. problem fixed. asus and such do upgrades for case.