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rayonline
03-10-2002, 10:24 PM
Hello,
I am getting into photography. I have been to shops and have received various different views. One is digicam is more consistent and clearer ar large prints than 35mm. Another saying 35mm always beat any digicam including the Nikon D100 $6,000nz. The internet has said the same thing.

The bottom line, for a photographer meaning SLR's, this rules out the Nikon CP 5000/5700.

Is 35mm or digital better??
Do I need 3MP or 6MP??
What is the formula that determine what max size I can print on photo paper from which MP??

Is it true the $6,000nz D100 Nikon is just a Nikon 35mm F80 body that retails for $1,200nz.

Is it true the 35mm Nikon F100 $3,000 beats the heck out of any digicam in the world including the D1x/h at $15,000nz??

Is it awkward carrying 2 SLRs?? Is it awkward having to download images every night when travelling w/o a laptop?

rayonline
03-10-2002, 10:43 PM
me again, should I wait a year or so longer? And get in the USA with a intl warranty??

D100 in nz is $6,000nz, or $2,000US.
Before the D1 series were ... $15,000nz, 12,000, 10,000 and now the D100.

Maybe I should get the D100 given the cumblesome of digital tech??

I will def get a 35mm camera probably the F100.

Jen C
03-10-2002, 11:14 PM
Lots of questions ... but you didn't mention what your prime use of the camera would be. Are you thinking of going pro and doing studio work, or is it just an interest of yours. Depending what your prime use will be will dictate which type (and quality) of camera you will need.

>Is it awkward carrying 2 SLRs??

Yes. If you are travelling independantly by car, no, but as a tourist you should go for a multi-purpose single camera with a wide to telephoto lens (saves carrying and having to switch lenses).

>What is the formula that determine what max size I can print on photo paper from which MP??

look here (http://gfoto.tripod.com/faq.htm)

>Is it awkward having to download images every night when travelling w/o a laptop?

You can buy large memory cards (256MB) that will hold depending on the quality of the images, lots of photos. Again, depends on what you want to do with the photo's eg. 6x4's, A4's. The bigger you want your end photo to be, the better quality image setting you need, the less photo's you can fit on your card. You can also at the end of each day, go through your digital images and delete the bad ones, therefore creating more room on the card again.

PS* I have only used a Nikon coolpix 955 digital and my SLR Canon 500N.

Jen

godfather
03-10-2002, 11:15 PM
Good film is estimated to be in the range of 50 MP to 400 MP equivalent.
Your mileage may vary.

Should you wait a year or two? Yes. No.

If you want the best one, then wait. You will never have one though, so get accustomed, as the same argument will hold true then as well.

And BTW, I use a 2.3MP camera, and find it excellent. My understanding is professionals still use both analogue and digital. I only use it for my work needs, or general use. Havent bought film for years, hardly ever have any prints done either, as can show/view on TV

Archibald
04-10-2002, 12:26 AM
Ray

The Fujifilm S1 Pro is well worth considering and produces excellent results and is based on the Nikon F60. I'm not sure what it will retail for in NZ, was retailing in the UK for ₤2400 18 months ago

A

rayonline
04-10-2002, 12:27 AM
I taking on photography not as a living but as a serious interest. The 35mm F100 is almost firm decision. I guess due to the impracticality of the digi SLRs I will not be using a lot. I tend to travel indepedently or with people abroad than in New Zealand.

The only reason I am heading towards a D100 is I can share accessories with the F100. The 5700 is soo big I mind as well go for the D100. The 5000 is nice thou need to invest in accessories again since the F100 is not compatible. So after some replies I guess, I like to have the freedom to print few large size with digicam on photo paper. The digicam would not be the primary camera. And hence the awkwardness of having to copy it to friends computer and burn to CD - and bringing my own portable CD burner? A lot of time I will be travelling to parts I know no people. It cannot be the main camera since the memory would be far too small, I will be using high resolutions at least. I mean at 512MB is not sufficient.

Its a hard decision due to the social attraction of sharing photos and previewing. In terms of shear quality it will always remain a secondary camera. So maybe i will scale the digicam down to a 5000. And yet the lense is too weak and slow shutter speeds. I think I will just accept the weaknesses and use the digi lower model at v few occasions.

rayonline
04-10-2002, 12:29 AM
The F60 would not be an options since its a learners camera and likewise the D100 is based on the F80. I prefer Nikon since I can interchange lenses and so on with the F100 and saving costs.

Archibald
04-10-2002, 12:34 AM
The S1 Pro is a Nikon/Fuji SLR and will use the same lens as the F80, F100, F4, F5, D100 etc.

True that the Nikon F60 is a learners camera

A

Dolby Digital
04-10-2002, 11:44 AM
Well I have a Minolta SLR film camera and have just purchased a SLR Pentax 2.2MP digital camera. The convenience of digital is great. You can quickly preview shots to see if they are any good. On the other hand, a film SLR is still much better value i.e. you can buy various lenses (or one versatile one). I think my film camera won't get much use unless I need a really long lens. You could buy a film SLR and a compact digital camera. Its a difficult decision. Ask 10 people what they think and you will get 10 different answers.

If you live around Wgtn, I would suggest going to Wgtn Photographic Supplies on Vivian Street. They stock a wide range of film cameras and digitals and a good range of second hand stuff. If you have a bigger budget they might let you try a couple out (don't know though).

rayonline
04-10-2002, 09:24 PM
I thing I can only agree from a marketing point of view and being marketing postgraduate educated. is that .. digicams are predominately market driven. really everything is market driven, but digicams is like politics. Meaning digicam can save money when u can preview, delete, and save on processing. Since:

$350 35mm compact cam vs 2.8MP digicam $1400, the diff of $1050.
This is roll of film ($4) processing (cheapie - $6) = 105 rolls and developed = 2520 photos (24 photo per roll).
Likewise at a camera processing shop - better quality = $4+$20 = 43 rolls = 1050 photos.

Compared to APS of which I am getting rid off - too $$ and 35mm are still better than APS. This is, $10 (film) + processing ($16 cheapie at kmart) = 40 rolls = 969 photos.
At a camera shop = 10+24=34$ per processing, 30 rolls = 741 photos.

This are the figures u have to break even before u have profited enof that a digicam is worth considering. ie. a typical person need to take 2520 photos on their digicam before its worth the diff.

Its also not ideal showing people ur photos on the PC or TV. ie. cannot look at pics in bed or look closer since its all pixelled up. Personally, its like a cellphone phenomenon that socially we have been marketed this and we now are persuaded we cannot live w/o it. Yes, preview and replay it in a restaurant or so.... is v desirable. But looking at a big screen - nope. I still prefer photo paper. Yes, u are only gonna print the best photos ... so u do save costs but not as much as the figures show. One will never use it for wedding photos either - and scale it up to a A3.

another + thou, digital would not deteriorate overtime like films.

Ray

rayonline
04-10-2002, 09:31 PM
but by all means get it, if u want to do photo editing. much better than a scanner. or upload to web or email to distant friends. but it comes at a cost. quality is not primo either. but as an alternative to normal photos is not as clear cut.

Jen C
04-10-2002, 10:03 PM
?:| You have lost me now rayonline.

BTW, if you did want to travel with a digital camera, check out if photo developing shops or camera shops will just download your memory card to a CD for you. If you carry a couple of memory cards you should be able to regularly download at convenient points in your travels.

rayonline
04-10-2002, 11:57 PM
thanks, I think i will stick with a good quality 35mm SLR. Digital is not up to it, more expensive camera, more expensive processing, memory too pricy to buy more ... May get a crappy 2/3MP like a CP 885 or so as well... for socialising. I am not impressed that the $6k D100 is actually a $1k F80.

Its for travel also weekeneds using for landscape photography. Each time I will be taking high reso... I luv to take TIFF but this is impossible for the memory card of any size. A Nikon 35mm film scanner like a coolscan IV/4000 series is tempting. So I can scan high quality negatives off my F100 straight into my laptop.

rayonline
05-10-2002, 09:28 AM
Having to visit a shop is not a good option. Since I tend to travel to country side, village side of the country. The outskirts .... thus camera shops is only a couple and I would not even bet on the idea they have digital imaging.