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kioti
18-09-2019, 03:55 AM
Hi. I am about to buy a new monitor to replace the HP v216 LCD VGA unit I have now. The question is I am wondering is I should get a 75Mhz or 144Mhz unit. Price difference is $80.00NZ.
Both have 1ms response time and Adaptive sync (AMD FreeSync)
The HP v216 I have is getting on but is still good, doesn't have any 'tearing' or other artifacts when I use it for gaming, say Sniper Elite 2-3 and 4 for example. It is just the colours are a bit muted, pastel and lack vibrancy, but, its ok :D
Ok, so, what would I be losing out on if I chose to buy the 75Mhz unit as opposed to the 144Mhz unit. Here are the specs and prices of the 2 units:

LG 24GL600F-B 24" Full HD 1ms 144Hz Gaming Monitor $329.00
Max. Resolution
1920 x 1080 - FHD
Max. Refresh Rate
144 Hz
Response Time
1 ms
Adaptive Sync AMD Radeon FreeSync
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Acer Nitro VG240Y 24" 75Hz IPS FreeSync Gaming Monitor ..... $249.00
Max. Resolution
1920 x 1080 - FHD
Max. Refresh Rate
75 Hz
Response Time
1 ms
Adaptive Sync AMD Radeon FreeSync

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And here is a link showing its specs of the HP v216 unit I have now.
https://www.game-debate.com/monitor/index.php?mon_id=1778&monitor=HP%20Pavilion%20v216%2021.6%20inch

thanks in advance

Asus Prime B450M-A rev X.x0 ..... AMD Ryzen 5 2400G .... G-Skill FlareX F4 - 2933C16 8GFX (16GB DDR4 at 2400Mhz) .... Intel 660P Series 512B M.2 NVMe SSD .... Corsair HX 750W PSU .....
AMD Radeon Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 8GD5 ........ W10x64 v1903.

wainuitech
18-09-2019, 09:45 AM
Have a read of the following page: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-noticeable-difference-between-75hz-and-144hz-for-gaming

Several different replies as well as a video.

BUT in short ( in case you don't want to read it) - it depends on the individual. What would be a good test is to go see the shop or someone who has both and do a side by side comparison for yourself.

If it were frames per second here's an fun thing to have a play with :D https://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

kioti
18-09-2019, 06:02 PM
Have a read of the following page: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-noticeable-difference-between-75hz-and-144hz-for-gaming

Several different replies as well as a video.

BUT in short ( in case you don't want to read it) - it depends on the individual. What would be a good test is to go see the shop or someone who has both and do a side by side comparison for yourself.

If it were frames per second here's an fun thing to have a play with :D https://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

wainuitech
Hi. Thanks for the reply and links. Most informative and helps me decide as I had/have no real knowledge about Refresh Rates and FPS, I know the basics...Faster is best, hmmmm :D
The "fun thing to play with" video was informative and the video about Frame Rates was staggering, simply because the compiler of said video was using numbers for FPS that were out of this world as far as I know:astronomical!....100FPS, 200, 300, 400FPS!!!!!!!!! Nvidia GPU...G-Sync.. hee hee.... hell, I used the OBS Screen Capture app to capture a part of the Sniper Elite 4 computer game I play and ...ermm.... the FPS it was showing was 30..... that was using the AMD Ryzen 5 2400G APU and its Vega 11 Graphics. I seem to be shy a 'few' FPS :( ....hmmm anyway, as said, I am not seeing any motion blur, lag, slow mouse movement to aim and shoot, ghosting etc etc using the rig I have for video being sent to the 60Hz HP v216 response time 5ms, LCD monitor I am using presently. So, why do I want to buy a new monitor ?
I am not a full on gamer, any game I have: Call of Duty, Black Ops, Battlefield 3, Assassins Creed, Oblivion and many more, play without any problem at all using the rig I have excluding the Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 GPU. Basically, I want a new monitor that will allow me to use the RX580 and get the benefits it has to offer from its 8GD5 and speed. I could also use the Ryzen 5 2400G Vega 11 Graphics of the APU connected from motherboard DV1-D or HDMI and have Digital signal as opposed to the VGA Analog as the only option I have currently.
Ok, I digress. 75Hz or 144Hz? Today, I went to the local Technology Hub to see what they had in the way of 144Hz Monitors. There were a few and apart from a $600 144Hz unit, the assistant showed me a Samsung S24F350 that they have in stock. 75Hz but doesn't have AMD FreeSync available. Price is $199.00. on returning home I googled the unit at their Website, lo n behold, the unit states to have FreeSync. I won't make an issue of that, I see it often in the given specs for a piece of hardware. I am going to supply a few links to 75Hz monitors that some NZ retailers have, all have FreeSync and are similarly priced.
The top link is for the Samsung S24F350 unit

https://www.cellotech.co.nz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=14393&search=SAMSUNG+S24F350

https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/23-6-aoc-144hz-1ms-curved-freesync-gaming-monitor/29210018

https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/24-aoc-169-1920x1080-fhd-ips-75hz-freesync-ultra-slim-monitor/30472269

Ok, now here is the thing that has me wondering, All the units are 75Hz and have FreeSync, the shop assistant I spoke with earlier today pointed out to me that "Any refresh rate less that 100Hz will not benefit from FreeSync".........hmmmmmmmm if that is the case then why are some 75Hz monitors made FreeSync capable????
:D That's not a question I am asking...simply a moot point I debate alone :D
I will scratch chin and continue forming a decision as to what I will purchase.
Thanks.
Garry

kioti
18-09-2019, 07:10 PM
Ummmm..... by the way, here is what I mean when I said about info stated for hardware that is not correct. Here is a link to a monitor.....

https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/23-8-acer-vg240y-fhd-75hz-1ms-gaming-monitor/30472262

75Hz - 1ms...$252.00NZ.......... Wow! 1ms.
However, reading the Details given on the monitor, in the 2nd paragraph it has become 144Hz 1ms and at that price of $252.00 I would be in and out of there like the robbers dog to get that bone home and away!
:D

kioti
19-09-2019, 05:15 PM
Well, having a read up about Refresh rates, FPS. Response times and FreeSync. Most interesting and I am now a little knowledgeable on the subjects.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&q=Refresh+times&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

https://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&q=fps+test&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

https://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&q=amd+freesync&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I am fairly convinced that a 75Hz - 5ms Monitor will be sufficient for my needs, and if it is FreeSync usable all the better....Considering FreeSync is controlled by the GPU.
There are a couple 75HZ monitors I am considering getting one of...this one which is 75Hz - 1ms

https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/23-8-acer-vg240y-fhd-75hz-1ms-gaming-monitor/30472262

or this one: 4ms Response time slower than the above unit but is $46.00 cheaper, and the 60Hz - 5ms VGA monitor I use now is good and artifact-free as I stated earlier on the thread.

https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/24-aoc-169-1920x1080-fhd-ips-75hz-freesync-ultra-slim-monitor/30472269

or this unit..which appeals very much to me.

https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop/peripherals/monitors/gaming-monitors/asus-vp248h-24-fhd-1ms-75hz-gaming-monitor

The $200.00+ extra cost of a 144Hz unit that I will have 'saved' I can use towards buying a Ryzen 5 2600 for $219.00
Cheers

Garry

kioti
20-09-2019, 11:40 AM
There is also this Kogan 144Hz - 4ms for $219.00... but is unknown to me brand, and, only has a 1 year warranty which hints that it is not as 'good' lifespan as any of the others I listed above.
https://www.dicksmith.co.nz/dn/buy/kogan-24-full-hd-curved-144hz-freesync-gaming-monitor-1920-x-1080/

dugimodo
20-09-2019, 03:08 PM
I'd say the opposite of the sales person, freesync works best when you can't maintain 60 or 75 fps because it allows the framerate to drop without causing tearing.

I've never gamed at 144hz, my monitor is 75 and previous to that I only had 60hz monitors and I've always been happy with that. I read a lot of opinions that once you try 144hz gaming you wouldn't want to go back - so I don't try it and ruin my 75hz fun :)

More seriously though, to go for 144hz you'd need to either drop your video quality or upgrade your graphics card or else you wont' be getting frame rates high enough to benefit from that refresh rate.
I game at 75hz, freesync on, 2560 x 1080 ultrawide resolution on a 2700X and 1070 combo and everything feels smooth and nice to me. I'm not likely to spend a couple thousand dollars on a graphics card and monitor combo to get the same kind of smootnes at higher refresh rates or resolutions. To my mind that's a small improvement in gaming fun for a huge financial hit on my wallet.

I even deliberately stuck with a lower ultrawide resolution than most because it lets me game smoothly with a cheaper graphics card. Some think 32" 2560 x 1080 is madness, I say it's 99% of the fun for 50% of the price (ok % are guesswork)

kioti
20-09-2019, 04:59 PM
dugimodo
hi and thanks. I remember your saying before in a reply to a thread of mine that you use 75Hz monitor and in reply to anothers' post said that you gave up using TN monitors for a reason you gave. But yeah, I have been using 60Hz for years, no problems with gaming or movies etc so a 75hz will do me just fine. Thanks for the info on the 144Hz refresh rates and the FPS from the RX580 I have and my having to get a different/newer GPU to be getting 144 FPS.
Yeah the RTX2080 is all the rage now...fine if one has a bottomless pit of the folding stuff.
I also remember your replies to a thread I posted re: Is it worth the $200+ extra to get 2 Cores/4 Threads and 0.2Ghz of the Ryzen7 2700 instead of the Ryzen 5 2600 and you mentioned faster turnaround times and a bit more. And when I posted about my plans to build a new rig and intended to buy the Ryzen 5 2400G you mentioned that the 2600 is a better option, which it was / is.... but I did not have a Discreet PCIe3 GPU to use nor could I afford one at the time, so for me the 2400G got me up and running. It has served me well and the RX Vega 11 graphics are handling all I throw at it.
However, I am now going to get the Ryzen 5-2600 so that I can use the RX580 and for that, I need a monitor to replace the LCD VGA 60Hz one I have now. Like you, I have been 60Hz for years, so, going up to 75HZ... refresh rates a little faster, max FPS will be 75 ( they say but apparently with tinkering can be upped to 120+) I'll be happy with 75hz and FPS (if I can get that).
2560 x 1080 Resolution....is that the max Res available from the 2700x CPU? or what monitor are you using that gives that Resolution ...that's almost 4K....I googled that res and got all this to read and consider:

https://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&q=2560+x+1980+resolution&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Yeah, :D I know the 2600 is out of date but I don't mind being a Generation late and worse still, it is 'X'less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here is a good enough explanation as to why not :D

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-5-2600-review-benchmarks

32" 75Hz monitor will up the price considerably, but what would you suggest for me to consider...budget is $300.00 tops but I could probably go 10% - 15% on top.
I am tempted to get the Asus 75hz I posted link to...even if it doesn't have HDR

Cheers and thanks

Garry

dugimodo
20-09-2019, 05:14 PM
My monitor is an older version of this https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MONLGL72965/LG-29WK600-W-29-219-UltraWide-Full-HD-IPS-Monitor So a bit more expensive than what you are considering.

I use that resolution just because I wanted to try ultrawide and didn't want to spend thousands on a monitor and graphics card to do it. It's the same vertical size and resolution as a 27" 1080p monitor but quite a bit wider.
It's actually nowhere near 4k which is 3840 x 2160. There is an ultrawide resolution of 3840 x 1440 that is quite close to 4k but I didn't think my graphics card was up to it, maybe next year.

The CPU has no resolution max, that depends entirely on my GTX 1070 which could probably game at 4k if I dialled a lot of settings back but for me I'd rather use a lower resolution and crank everything up to max.
I love my ultrawide but to be honest I was pretty happy with 1080p as well. Games are still fun either way.

kioti
20-09-2019, 06:39 PM
dugimodo
hi. Yep my bad asking if the CPU gave you that Resolution. I knew it was wrong as soon as I had typed it and instead of backspacing it out and entering about your monitors capability.
The link you supplied to the monitor similar to yours was interesting thanks.... I could hold back on purchase for 2-4 weeks and get that for the $460.00...dunno..... ha ha ha... because I used to the 21" monitor I have I can see me either wearing out my neck joints looking over the screen or for sure, I will be killed many times by the enemy in Sniper Elite 4 who will be converging on me out my field of vision I am used to.... ha ha...nah that wouldn't happen because I would be able to see them coming from afar, earlier on that wide screen......... besides, I have played the game so much I know where they all are, fire off a shot when the covering sounds are silent, then I can sit back, enjoy a coffee and ciggie waiting for them to come to their Nemesis. :D
Cheers
Garry

kioti
21-09-2019, 08:49 AM
dugimodo

Hi. Some googling uncovers a 21:9 LG Monitor, 25" IPS. I will call Dick Smith in a short time and ask if the stated $$ price is NZ$ or Australian$.The monitor is well within my budget.

https://www.dicksmith.co.nz/dn/buy/lg-25-219-2560x1080-full-hd-ultrawide-ips-led-gaming-monitor-25um58-p-lg/?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=newinventory&utm_campaign=criteo-oct-lg-25-219-2560x1080-full-hd-ultrawide-ips-led-gaming-monitor-25um58-p-lg

https://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&q=LG+25"+21%3A9+2560x1080+Full+HD+UltraWide+IPS+LED+Gaming +Monitor+(25UM58-P)&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I want to know what the height of the screen is

As for the Radeon Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 GPU I have, it is capable of Resolution
DisplayPort: 51202880@60Hz
HDMI: 40962160@60Hz
and that is good enough for me. It is faster than the GTX1060 and I bought it used for $300NZ

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-580-100411nt-8gsel/p/N82E16814202293

What would be your opinion on this LG monitor?

cheers
Garry

kioti
21-09-2019, 05:12 PM
:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0i7FjwteQE

:D :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcUv-TzVWUc

:D

kioti
23-09-2019, 11:49 AM
Decide time for me. It will be either this:

https://www.dicksmith.co.nz/dn/buy/lg-25-219-2560x1080-full-hd-ultrawide-ips-led-gaming-monitor-25um58-p-lg/?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=newinventory&utm_campaign=criteo-oct-lg-25-219-2560x1080-full-hd-ultrawide-ips-led-gaming-monitor-25um58-p-lg

Or this

https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop/peripherals/monitors/gaming-monitors/acer-vg240y-24-1ms-freesync-gaming-monitor

The deciding factor is will I be happy with the 25Cm Screen vertical of the LG 25" as opposed to the Acer's 29Cm screen vertical...a 16:9 format I have become used to for years.
Shame online shopping stores don't offer a 'Try before you Buy' option.

hmmmm

kioti
23-09-2019, 03:44 PM
Well, after watching the review in the link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PyZa1r0Dr8

and not wanting a 9.85" vertical screen size, the only option is for the Asus

https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop/peripherals/monitors/gaming-monitors/asus-vp248h-24-fhd-1ms-75hz-gaming-monitor

cheers.

Garry