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SurferJoe46
15-02-2019, 10:23 PM
I'm having a ball and I'm supposed to be in bed but I had to get one more app.


Welcome to Linux Lite 4.2 linuxlite

Friday 15 February 2019, 02:17:56
Memory Usage: 855/1983MB (43.12%)
Disk Usage: 9/56GB (19%)
Support - https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/ (Right click, Open Link)

linuxlite  ~  sudo apt-get install clementine
[sudo] password for linuxlite:
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linuxlite  ~  ^C


:devil This is fun! All the stuff I learned on other distros is paying off.

Rod J
15-02-2019, 11:22 PM
Hi SurferJoe, glad you're liking Linux Lite. Did you know it is developed right here in New Zealand? https://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lite

It should run quite well on your current hardware. I was almost tempted to try it out recently but I have a strong dislike of XFCE (the desktop used in Linux Lite) as I find it odd to manage and rather 'old fashioned' (at least that's how I found it in Xubuntu). I have gotten too used to how things are done in KDE Plasma 5 I guess. :rolleyes: I believe the Lite version of XFCE has added some useful utilities to make management easier, especially for newbies.

I see you installed Clementine ... it's a great music media player. It's been my favourite for years on KDE but the latest Kubuntu LTS (18.04) has Cantata installed by default, also a good music player but I think I prefer Clementine.

I'm exploring other things just now ... trying out Manjaro KDE on my old laptop as I'm considering switching away from Kubuntu to Manjaro after nine years with *buntu. I like the rolling release concept of Manjaro (no need to reinstall every 2 - 4 years as long as you keep it up to date). Manjaro seems to be pretty stable although the big updates require using the command line in a separate TTY session, which is OK for me to do but doesn't seem very newbie friendly.

Also, I'm actually writing this on a Windows 10 SFF PC I bought recently to use as an HTPC running Kodi. Yes, I'm using a Windows OS for the first time in nine years. :eek:

SurferJoe46
16-02-2019, 06:05 AM
One interesting oddball thing I saw when I rebooted this AM is that L Lite has migrated to the top of my list of distros in GRUB. Kinda kewl - huh?

I had to reboot it a few times for it to make whatever repairs it needed to make and all is well right now. Actually, there IS an exception or two that doesn't quite look like last night's use of L-Lite. I might've been sleepy and didn't notice - but somehow I don't believe that my giant brain could have let me down that way.

I think I agree with you that the XFCE desktop is somewhat 'stilted' too. Is there any way to change it? :badpc:

Next dumber question:

Can I run WINE, and get my rather un-supported Canon printer to run through it? I know it will run on Windows, but Linux mucks it up every time I try to use it.

If so, I may need a little help - unless it's just click and play. Hah! That ain't never gonna happen, right?

BTW: I'm trying to get this all running wirelessly --- (is that a word? I like it and if it isn't In Webster's, it's in SurferJoe's dictionary now) --- as my Androids can do. I know the system is alive, just Linux won't play on the same cricket field.

It gets recognized all well-n-good, but if you don't like each word printed on a new piece of paper, I'd say there's a failure to communicate properly somewhere along the line.

To be frank - and honest while I'm at it -- I've NEVER been able to get a Canon printer to work with L-based distros - no, 'Never" I say!

I've also got a 'stretched-screen' vid problem that I'm trying to sort out here. Is there a setting somewhere to make the ovals change back to circles as they were originally designed?

The resolution has the right numbers and I even let the ASUS monitor have it's way with the system by turning ON the AUTO-SELECT MODE for resolution - but I don't think this is truly a resolution problem.

Hu-umph! I just realized that I've got to teach this dictionary all the correct words that I have used in the past and/or coined.

So far I'm really enjoying L-Lite and with the exception of a few needed tweaks and adjustments, I think I'll let it keep 'Head Of The Pack' privileges for the time being.

Rod J
16-02-2019, 05:51 PM
One interesting oddball thing I saw when I rebooted this AM is that L Lite has migrated to the top of my list of distros in GRUB. Kinda kewl - huh?

That's usually what happens when you have more than one distro installed on a PC. The latest install of Linux installs a fresh copy of Grub and takes over from then on. It can be a pain when this happens because if you boot into the other installed Linux and then update the kernel via normal updates and then boot into the later Linux the Grub menu won't necessarily show the later kernel installed in the other Linux. Following so far?? Now that I've thoroughly confused you I'll leave it at that. :waughh:


I think I agree with you that the XFCE desktop is somewhat 'stilted' too. Is there any way to change it? :badpc:

Not really. You can try changing the theme and what not but it's nowhere near as configurable as Plasma or Gnome.


Next dumber question:

Can I run WINE, and get my rather un-supported Canon printer to run through it? I know it will run on Windows, but Linux mucks it up every time I try to use it.

If so, I may need a little help - unless it's just click and play. Hah! That ain't never gonna happen, right?

You can't use Wine to directly interface with hardware, it just won't work. Wine was never designed to do that type of thing. You could try adding a new printer from the settings, perhaps there is an entry for your particular model of Canon printer ... maybe. Otherwise, you could probably use whatever downloaded printer driver you used before to install the Linux version of the printer driver. Oh, I see below that you never succeeded in getting this printer working in Linux? :(


BTW: I'm trying to get this all running wirelessly --- (is that a word? I like it and if it isn't In Webster's, it's in SurferJoe's dictionary now) --- as my Androids can do. I know the system is alive, just Linux won't play on the same cricket field.

It gets recognized all well-n-good, but if you don't like each word printed on a new piece of paper, I'd say there's a failure to communicate properly somewhere along the line.

To be frank - and honest while I'm at it -- I've NEVER been able to get a Canon printer to work with L-based distros - no, 'Never" I say!

I haven't got any suggestions for the questions below. Just go through the settings connected with the monitor and see if something works better.



I've also got a 'stretched-screen' vid problem that I'm trying to sort out here. Is there a setting somewhere to make the ovals change back to circles as they were originally designed?

The resolution has the right numbers and I even let the ASUS monitor have it's way with the system by turning ON the AUTO-SELECT MODE for resolution - but I don't think this is truly a resolution problem.

Hu-umph! I just realized that I've got to teach this dictionary all the correct words that I have used in the past and/or coined.

So far I'm really enjoying L-Lite and with the exception of a few needed tweaks and adjustments, I think I'll let it keep 'Head Of The Pack' privileges for the time being.

SurferJoe46
16-02-2019, 07:09 PM
I think I'm gonna use Ubuntu-Lite as my main-go-to distro for a while - at least until I teach it all my passwords and get the apps on it that I think it oughtta have.

Last boot-up, I let it take it's merry-tyme and it took an astounding 11 minutes. I can live with that since it's migrated to the top of the dogpile. I imagine boot times will improve when it gets itself all squared away. I hope.

During boot, I can just take my next shower, shave and put on jammies and slippers and sit down as it comes on. No biggie!

Pithos runs well and I love the new MP3 player - it's very nice - having a TINY BIT of trouble with the files system for it - but I'll work it out. One thing it can do very well is to switch from on MP3 to another almost instantly. Very fast!

I keep all my MP3s and other audio formats on an outside USB-type 1TB hdd, so they can be played or copied to this hdd for playing if I want. It looks like I've only got about 45G of space in the file-area of this distro though - so I may just play the songs from the external hdd instead of copying them to this distro.

One thing LITE needs is a shut-down button on the desktop. It would be nice - perhaps there's an app for that somewhere.

It was a good day today -

a lot of snow,

went shooting,

got a 2-cord load of firewood,

got a notice that I'm having thoracic surgery on Wednesday (Surprise! Surprise! :waughh:)

Laggard
16-02-2019, 09:13 PM
All the best for that thoracic stuff Joe. Just Inform your surgeons that an international audience is relying on them to get the best possible result, so we can continue following your adventures in Linux Land. :)

Kia Kaha -as our Maori people say-Stay Strong.

SurferJoe46
17-02-2019, 07:45 AM
Thanks.... I've got the uppermost surgeon in the hospital - he's the Chief Of Thoracic Surgery - so it should work out fine.

It's just a simple surgery to repair a hernia that's under a previous repair of another hernia that I had years ago. That first hernia -- maybe 25 years ago -- was an inguinal-type, and there's a mesh that he's gotta cut out and then repair the abdominal hernia underneath it. Then he has to re-establish the mesh for the inguinal hernia.

I'm not too sure how long I'll be down - I'll have to Google that later. I need to know because I think I have rotator-cuff surgery on my left shoulder the next Monday.

Then comes a left hip replacement and then comes a left knee replacement.

I'm gonna have such a BIG anesthesia hangover for a long time!

Rod J
17-02-2019, 05:36 PM
Geez, old age is fun isn't it! Hope it goes well with your operations Joe.

I just turned 65 last August and thankfully I'm in reasonable shape (though you wouldn't think so to look at me, I could certainly do with losing some weight). I guess I will have more issues as time goes on I expect.

Bryan
17-02-2019, 07:16 PM
Million dollar man, Joe. By the time they finish with you, you'll give the original, Lee something, a run for his money.

gary67
17-02-2019, 07:53 PM
Million dollar man, Joe. By the time they finish with you, you'll give the original, Lee something, a run for his money.

Lee Majors

1101
18-02-2019, 09:24 AM
how much things have changed when a 'lite' download is 1.4Gb
:)

B.M.
18-02-2019, 09:46 AM
how much things have changed when a 'lite' download is 1.4Gb
:)

Or 32gig Disk Space just for the OS. :eek:

9364

wainuitech
18-02-2019, 10:55 AM
Or 32gig Disk Space just for the OS. :eek:

9364:groan: Oh Dear, getting it all wrong again, trying to troll.

That's the recommended disk size available, NOT the actual amount required. Take your love of Mint - Its recommended to have 20GB available, yet the OS on its own doesn't take that much once installed. And Windows doesn't need 32GB either.

Mint is getting larger with almost every Version, many will remember when Mint would easily fit on a 700MB CD and still have room ( Linux Mint 7 for example)

As for ISO sizes:

Windows 10 3.5GB

Other linux OS’s are larger than Windows, the ISO for CentOS ( a real Enterprise not the beginners mint) 4.2GB

MAC’s have even larger than Windows, 5.5GB for MacOS Mojave 10.14.2

An example of sizing, a W10 I have here, has a couple of office programs as well as a ServerOS running in a VM, total space used 32.1GB.

SurferJoe46
18-02-2019, 12:30 PM
:groan: Oh Dear, getting it all wrong again, trying to troll.

That's the recommended disk size available, NOT the actual amount required. Take your love of Mint - Its recommended to have 20GB available, yet the OS on its own doesn't take that much once installed. And Windows doesn't need 32GB either.

Mint is getting larger with almost every Version, many will remember when Mint would easily fit on a 700MB CD and still have room ( Linux Mint 7 for example)

As for ISO sizes:

Windows 10 3.5GB

Other linux OS’s are larger than Windows, the ISO for CentOS ( a real Enterprise not the beginners mint) 4.2GB

MAC’s have even larger than Windows, 5.5GB for MacOS Mojave 10.14.2

An example of sizing, a W10 I have here, has a couple of office programs as well as a ServerOS running in a VM, total space used 32.1GB.

Is that why boot times take so long? Does it have to read all the lines to boot or just a certain set of them?

B.M.
18-02-2019, 12:36 PM
:groan: Oh Dear, getting it all wrong again, trying to troll.

That's the recommended disk size available, NOT the actual amount required. Take your love of Mint - Its recommended to have 20GB available, yet the OS on its own doesn't take that much once installed. And Windows doesn't need 32GB either.

Mint is getting larger with almost every Version, many will remember when Mint would easily fit on a 700MB CD and still have room ( Linux Mint 7 for example)

As for ISO sizes:

Windows 10 3.5GB

Other linux OS’s are larger than Windows, the ISO for CentOS ( a real Enterprise not the beginners mint) 4.2GB

MAC’s have even larger than Windows, 5.5GB for MacOS Mojave 10.14.2

An example of sizing, a W10 I have here, has a couple of office programs as well as a ServerOS running in a VM, total space used 32.1GB.

Are you saying Microsoft would be wrong? :eek:

They are quite clear that “System requirements for installing Windows 10”

Are


Hard drive space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS 32 GB for 64-bit OS


Read all about it HERE (https://www.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows/windows-10-specifications) it’s perfectly clear to me.

As for Mint, you must remember that along with the OS comes Libre Office, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, VLC Media Player and a heap of other stuff.

Just the Spyware is missing. :)

wainuitech
18-02-2019, 12:39 PM
Is that why boot times take so long? Does it have to read all the lines to boot or just a certain set of them? No windows 10 on my PC's boots anywhere between 10 -15 SECONDS.

wainuitech
18-02-2019, 12:46 PM
Are you saying Microsoft would be wrong? :eek:

They are quite clear that “System requirements for installing Windows 10”

Are


Hard drive space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS 32 GB for 64-bit OS


You actually provided the answer yourself. FOR INSTALLING -- That's totally different to whats needed to work. Obviously no point in trying to explain you don't understand how a OS installs and uses required space.

Looking at MINT It RECOMMENDS 20GB of space, yet it doesn't take up that amount. WHY ??

9365


the OS comes Libre Office, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, VLC Media Player and a heap of other stuff. yeah all the CRAP making the ISO's larger and larger, ALL the OS's have extra's bundled in.

Tell me this -- If Windows has to have 32GB + drives, why does the W10 I have in the workshop not only contain W10 Pro, BUT also runs a Server OS in a VM, and ONLY uses 32GB, along with two different Office programs quite a few documents and Pictures and god knows how many other programs installed ??? EXPLAIN THAT !!

B.M.
18-02-2019, 01:00 PM
You actually provided the answer yourself. FOR INSTALLING -- That's totally different to whats needed to work.

On the contrary.

I would have said if you can't Install the OS you don't need to worry about using it. :lol:

wainuitech
18-02-2019, 01:23 PM
On the contrary.

I would have said if you can't Install the OS you don't need to worry about using it. :lol: Got to love how you ALWAYS avoid the actual Questions or offer no real help when people actually have Linux Problems.

Maybe you should stick to what you know (which appears not to be much - technically wise anyway) So the actual Question you have avoided, why does MINT say its recommends 20GB of disk space when its not that large once installed. ??

HINT:
Its then same reason MS recommends 32GB . ;)

B.M.
18-02-2019, 02:53 PM
Got to love how you ALWAYS avoid the actual Questions or offer no real help when people actually have Linux Problems.

Maybe you should stick to what you know (which appears not to be much - technically wise anyway) So the actual Question you have avoided, why does MINT say its recommends 20GB of disk space when its not that large once installed. ??

HINT:
Its then same reason MS recommends 32GB . ;)

You don’t think the problem could be your comprehension.

If you go back and read my post again you will find that I was responding to 1101’s post that “how much things have changed when a 'lite' download is 1.4Gb”

I agree, and pointed out that the Win10 OS needed 32gig these days.

The background to that response was that my first computer run on MSDOS 3.1 and was supplied with a 20mb HDD which I upgraded to a whopping 40meg one. I never filled the 40meg one despite having word processors, spreadsheets, drawing programmes, etc. installed.

However, you spit the dummy and rush to MS’s defense when the facts were black and white, nothing twisted at all.

And to answer you question:


So the actual Question you have avoided, why does MINT say its recommends 20GB of disk space when its not that large once installed. ??



Since when does 20gb exceed 32gb? I’m comparing the most bloated and Win10 bolts in. :)

wainuitech
18-02-2019, 03:32 PM
Since when does 20gb exceed 32gb? I’m comparing the most bloated and Win10 bolts in. :) It doesn't BUT as you don't seem to understand you DONT need a 32GB drive or larger, its ONLY a recommended amount of disk space. SAME as MINT - they recommend 20GB, WHY the OS when installed is not that large ?

Why has Mint doubled in size since mint 7, which used to fit on a 700MB CD ?

Haven't done your homework have you :p Going by your reasoning, Windows is middle of the road, MAC's recommend 64GB so that's double what MS says.

9366

Along those lines if you look it up depending on the Version in a MAC various people state 15-20GB for a install, that can be higher than a windows OS.

You can install W10 easily on a smaller drive if you know what you are doing, ;) smaller than the 20GB as recommended by MINT to install.

9367

If you need 32 GB as you say how did I install W10 ( fresh) on only a 16GB partition ??:eek: SIMPLE the figures given are recommended ONLY Not Actual.

Last time I looked 16 is smaller than 20 :)

B.M.
18-02-2019, 04:23 PM
you DONT need a 32GB drive or larger, its ONLY a recommended amount of disk space.

Let me try again.

Microsoft say 32GB is a "REQUIREMENT" Not a recommendation.

9368


It's no good arguing that you have reduced its size, but you have to be able to install it first.

I guess in your case you installed it on a much larger drive, and then edited out all the junk and spyware to get it under 32GB.

Either way you are arguing with Microsoft who say quite clearly that 32GB is a REQUIREMENT not a Recommendation! :)

wainuitech
18-02-2019, 04:59 PM
Let me try again.

Microsoft say 32GB is a "REQUIREMENT" Not a recommendation.

9368


It's no good arguing that you have reduced its size, but you have to be able to install it first.

I guess in your case you installed it on a much larger drive, and then edited out all the junk and spyware to get it under 32GB.

Either way you are arguing with Microsoft who say quite clearly that 32GB is a REQUIREMENT not a Recommendation! :)LOL that's laughable.:lol::lol:

That's something a cheat and yourself might do.

A fresh install of W10 takes approx. 12-13GB depending on the version. Then depending on the hardware, Like MINT may download drivers if not inbuilt.

MS put a larger drive so dingbats and know alls like yourself who have no clues wont try and put it on a smaller drive. The drive was a 20GB that I partitioned to 16GB, I'll let you in on a secret, the minimum drive space is actually 15GB. This is a W10 Home direct, NOT a Name brand like HP, Dell , ASUS etc who put in all sorts of crap.

If you don't believe me do it your self.

Question -- Would you say that using a VM is the same install procedure as if on a separate drive ??

Still haven't answered the question WHY does MINT say it has to have 20GB drive ? ( I know you wont because you don't have a clue how a OS installs, the tasks it goes through)

B.M.
18-02-2019, 07:38 PM
LOL that's laughable.:lol::lol:

That's something a cheat and yourself might do.

A fresh install of W10 takes approx. 12-13GB depending on the version. Then depending on the hardware, Like MINT may download drivers if not inbuilt.

MS put a larger drive so dingbats and know alls like yourself who have no clues wont try and put it on a smaller drive. The drive was a 20GB that I partitioned to 16GB, I'll let you in on a secret, the minimum drive space is actually 15GB. This is a W10 Home direct, NOT a Name brand like HP, Dell , ASUS etc who put in all sorts of crap.

If you don't believe me do it your self.

Question -- Would you say that using a VM is the same install procedure as if on a separate drive ??

Still haven't answered the question WHY does MINT say it has to have 20GB drive ? ( I know you wont because you don't have a clue how a OS installs, the tasks it goes through)

Get the Wife to explain to you the difference between a Requirement and a Recommendation and then argue with Microsoft, seeing you know more than them. :lol:

wainuitech
18-02-2019, 08:42 PM
Get the Wife to explain to you the difference between a Requirement and a Recommendation and then argue with Microsoft, seeing you know more than them. :lol: Well BM you see theres one HUGE difference between you and I. If I say something can be done I CAN PROVE IT. you however simple blow hot air and ether change the subject or dont reply at all.

Since WHEN have you EVER listened to what Microsoft have said -- What a hypocrite.

You could do the following yourself But I know you wont, and there's one very good reason you would be proven WRONG.

I've just installed Windows 10 on a 16GB drive.

So your simple mind can understand, when you create a VM the Hard Drive is the size you make it. It doesn't expand unless its set to.

So if you created a 500GB VM its 500GB, 32GB=32GB. So a 16GB VM is 16GB.

There's basically no difference as compared to a Physical drive.

So to prove it watch this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOa696fMW2o&feature=youtu.be I created a VM of 16GB, installing windows from start to finish and proving its used under 16GB, NO 32 GB drive in site. Watch carefully and you'll see at the beginning and end it only has a 16GB drive with 1GB memory.

I also have in the workshop the 20GB drive with windows installed, now I may be good at some things but no way in hell can I fit 32GB into a 20GB drive.

I can show the complete partitions, no hidden or missing 15+ GB hiding someplace like you accused me of.

There are several places I have paused the Recording and its a little lagging, because it was just stuff installing and the recording software has always been resource hungry on this PC, BUT it proves you don't need a 32GB + Drive. The only reason its doesn't activate is because I used the generic Home License key instead of Pro. Wouldn't be at all surprised if its the same Key as on your wife's Laptop.

If you bothered to look as well you will see this PC also runs CentOS in the VM. Thats a real Linux not your play Mint.

But being the hypocrite you are wouldn't surprise me in the slightest you'll still say it cant be done even when its proven it can.

gary67
19-02-2019, 06:42 AM
Well BM you see theres one HUGE difference between you and I. If I say something can be done I CAN PROVE IT. you however simple blow hot air and ether change the subject or dont reply at all.

Since WHEN have you EVER listened to what Microsoft have said -- What a hypocrite.

You could do the following yourself But I know you wont, and there's one very good reason you would be proven WRONG.

I've just installed Windows 10 on a 16GB drive.

So your simple mind can understand, when you create a VM the Hard Drive is the size you make it. It doesn't expand unless its set to.

So if you created a 500GB VM its 500GB, 32GB=32GB. So a 16GB VM is 16GB.

There's basically no difference as compared to a Physical drive.

So to prove it watch this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOa696fMW2o&feature=youtu.be I created a VM of 16GB, installing windows from start to finish and proving its used under 16GB, NO 32 GB drive in site. Watch carefully and you'll see at the beginning and end it only has a 16GB drive with 1GB memory.

I also have in the workshop the 20GB drive with windows installed, now I may be good at some things but no way in hell can I fit 32GB into a 20GB drive.

I can show the complete partitions, no hidden or missing 15+ GB hiding someplace like you accused me of.

There are several places I have paused the Recording and its a little lagging, because it was just stuff installing and the recording software has always been resource hungry on this PC, BUT it proves you don't need a 32GB + Drive. The only reason its doesn't activate is because I used the generic Home License key instead of Pro. Wouldn't be at all surprised if its the same Key as on your wife's Laptop.

If you bothered to look as well you will see this PC also runs CentOS in the VM. Thats a real Linux not your play Mint.

But being the hypocrite you are wouldn't surprise me in the slightest you'll still say it cant be done even when its proven it can.

Spike Milligan once said if Einstein stood in front of 100 monkeys for 100 years explaining his theory, at the end of 100 years they would still be 100 monkeys.

I would give up as this has been proved many times over the years on this forum. You can explain many times over but the monkey will still be a monkey and not believe you.

B.M.
19-02-2019, 07:40 AM
If I say something can be done I CAN PROVE IT.


Good ohh, then you tell Microsoft they are misleading the Public. :lol:

And did you notice the bit in the link I provided that said the Requirements set out were Basic?

9369

It’s outrageous that Microsoft should mislead the public like that. :rolleyes:

B.M.
19-02-2019, 07:45 AM
Spike Milligan once said if Einstein stood in front of 100 monkeys for 100 years explaining his theory, at the end of 100 years they would still be 100 monkeys.

I would give up as this has been proved many times over the years on this forum. You can explain many times over but the monkey will still be a monkey and not believe you.

Good Grief, you never mentioned the National Government. :eek:

wainuitech
19-02-2019, 08:30 AM
Good ohh, then you tell Microsoft they are misleading the Public. :lol:

And did you notice the bit in the link I provided that said the Requirements set out were Basic?

9369

It’s outrageous that Microsoft should mislead the public like that. :rolleyes: There are reasons why Microsoft Say a 32GB drive, One is when windows does its upgrades it requires on average 16GB of spare space to do the upgrade, this allows the Upgrade to download, unpack, save the current install, and do its upgrade. If there is not enough space it fails and pops up with a warning along the lines of saying such.

What some name brand manufactures do is put in Tiny drives (read budget Laptops) this often causes problems when the user fills up their drive with items.

An example of you when can get away with a smaller drive -- If you have a Network or computer that never goes on the internet. If it never goes on the internet, it cant update and doesn't require space.

There's one of my customers who has a W10 with a 80GB drive, the main drive is partitioned down to 30GB, the remainder of the drive is where he stores the exe files for programs he has purchased, BUT along with a small 80GB drive he has 3 x 1TB internals drives that hold all his graphic work.

The computer is not connected to the internet, only his own LAN which I have set that particular PC so it cant go on the internet.

Wife's work is the same, they have a network that their previous IT guy setup so its not capable of going onto the internet, for security purposes, in her work they cant have hackers trying to get in.

Remember one thing :) just because Microsoft says you need or cant do something doesn't mean it cant be done.

Hell they even break their own rules. MS state a License is tied to the motherboard, when it dies so does the license, yet they provide the options in Windows to re license a new board on the old key - go figure ;)

1101
19-02-2019, 09:48 AM
If you go back and read my post again you will find that I was responding to 1101’s post that “how much things have changed when a 'lite' download is 1.4Gb”

I agree, and pointed out that the Win10 OS needed 32gig these days.


comparing apples with apples , the Win10 ISO is around 4Gb . But Win10 never claimed to be 'lite'
Lite should be a 500Mb ISO or less , just my old way of thinking.

Bring back DOS , & Win95 installed from floppies . So was Win95 'Lite' :)

1101
19-02-2019, 09:53 AM
MS have a habit of making min spec too low.
So manufactures then sell laptops & PC's that are too low spec for real world use , MS then getting a bad name for how slow the new OS is.
Its not the OS , its the low spec of the system thats too slow.
MS should make min specs much higher .

B.M.
19-02-2019, 12:30 PM
There are reasons why Microsoft Say a 32GB drive, One is when windows does its upgrades it requires on average 16GB of spare space to do the upgrade, this allows the Upgrade to download, unpack, save the current install, and do its upgrade. If there is not enough space it fails and pops up with a warning along the lines of saying such.

Ohhh dear. :rolleyes:

Well there you are, by your own admission you do need 32Gb minimum to install Win10 if you want to be able to use it. :rolleyes:

wainuitech
19-02-2019, 01:03 PM
Ohhh dear. :rolleyes:

Well there you are, by your own admission you do need 32Gb minimum to install Win10 if you want to be able to use it. :rolleyes: No not at all. You can install it on a small drive just wont have much space left. Gave an example, but like normal you decided not to acknowledge the fact, in Bold, your quote -- I PROVED you can INSTALL on a 16GB Drive.

If you had read the previous post It wouldn't need to go onto the internet, hence no updates. It would only have installed what you installed yourself ( say by USB). re-read the post, The Wife's work has just that, NO INTERNET access - So please advise how it would update if not connected to internet. ?

32GB is not enough anyway, wouldn't be able to install many programs or store much data. Built a PC late last year, the guy only wanted a 250GB SSD drive, told him thats not enough ( he does a LOT of gaming) Following day got a call saying his hard Drive was saying its full, I went and had a look and sure enough, full of games, so going by that 250GB is not enough either. One of his games alone was close to 20GB (from memory)

Why don't you go help SJ with his linux since your such a know all ?

1101
19-02-2019, 03:19 PM
Win10 with Office2010 , Chrome & Acrobat Reader , nothing else . On my spare laptop
32Gb used space (approx)
Windows folder is only 6.8Gb .

Win Disk cleanup tool would free up 13.4Gb , taking used space down to 19Gb

Im sure that could be made even less with a 16bit install and a more vigorous cleanup, but why bother :)

Dos6 : 1 bootable floppy drive .

B.M.
19-02-2019, 03:29 PM
Why don't you go help SJ with his linux since your such a know all ?

Ahhh, your old “If You Can’t Convince Them, Confuse Them” won’t work here, even if you’ve got more Red Herrings than John West. :banana

wainuitech
19-02-2019, 03:41 PM
Ahhh, your old “If You Can’t Convince Them, Confuse Them” won’t work here, even if you’ve got more Red Herrings than John West. :banana

Confusing ? - you are confused all the time when awake, so bit hard to go better than that.

B.M.
19-02-2019, 04:02 PM
:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

SurferJoe46
16-03-2019, 06:08 PM
Hi SurferJoe, glad you're liking Linux Lite. Did you know it is developed right here in New Zealand? https://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lite

It should run quite well on your current hardware. I was almost tempted to try it out recently but I have a strong dislike of XFCE (the desktop used in Linux Lite) as I find it odd to manage and rather 'old fashioned' (at least that's how I found it in Xubuntu). I have gotten too used to how things are done in KDE Plasma 5 I guess. :rolleyes: I believe the Lite version of XFCE has added some useful utilities to make management easier, especially for newbies.

I see you installed Clementine ... it's a great music media player. It's been my favourite for years on KDE but the latest Kubuntu LTS (18.04) has Cantata installed by default, also a good music player but I think I prefer Clementine.

I'm exploring other things just now ... trying out Manjaro KDE on my old laptop as I'm considering switching away from Kubuntu to Manjaro after nine years with *buntu. I like the rolling release concept of Manjaro (no need to reinstall every 2 - 4 years as long as you keep it up to date). Manjaro seems to be pretty stable although the big updates require using the command line in a separate TTY session, which is OK for me to do but doesn't seem very newbie friendly.

Also, I'm actually writing this on a Windows 10 SFF PC I bought recently to use as an HTPC running Kodi. Yes, I'm using a Windows OS for the first time in nine years. :eek:

Ya know - I am having a concept problem with the various desktops, as I don't have enough info about them to know if one is better than another.

What's the big deal? I wonder if I'm missing something. Can you enlighten me?

SurferJoe46
20-03-2019, 05:30 AM
Here's the latest - all of which I think I can handle - but it is rather irksome....

1) LL will not hold the password-login data and every time I reboot - or start from cold, the passwords are not stored and I have to re-enter them every time. This isn't the log-in screen to get TO LL, but for things like here at F1 and other apps that require a password. IRK!

2) I undertook a massive update yesterday and guess what? The RTL8812AU is mucked up again!

I am coming to you via the auspices of my Alpha Unit - which --- and forgive me here ----> WORKS EVERY TIME, RIGHT OUTTA THE BOX --- BUT I NEED IT FOR MY RASPBERRY AND I CAN'T LEAVE IT HERE FOR TOO LONG.

Well - I have only myself to blame for that --- so, I figgered: "No biggie! I'll just recompile it again either from the disk or from a repository". Uh huh.

Here's what I got in a very one-sided conversation with LL just a few ago:


Welcome to Linux Lite 4.2 linuxlite

Tuesday 19 March 2019, 09:55:01
Memory Usage: 340/1983MB (17.15%)
Disk Usage: 14/56GB (27%)
Support - https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/ (Right click, Open Link)

linuxlite  ~  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build essential git
[sudo] password for linuxlite:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package build
E: Unable to locate package essential
linuxlite  ~  git clone https;//github.com/scrivy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux.git
fatal: repository 'https' does not exist
bash: //github.com/scrivy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux.git: No such file or directory
linuxlite  ~  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic build essential git
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package build
E: Unable to locate package essential
linuxlite  ~  cd rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux
linuxlite  ~  rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux  make
make ARCH=x86_64 CROSS_COMPILE= -C /lib/modules/4.15.0-46-generic/build M=/home/linuxlite/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux modules
make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-46-generic'
Makefile:975: "Cannot use CONFIG_STACK_VALIDATION=y, please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or elfutils-libelf-devel"
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST 1 modules
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-46-generic'
linuxlite  ~  rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux  sudo make install
install -p -m 644 rtl8812au.ko /lib/modules/4.15.0-46-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
/sbin/depmod -a 4.15.0-46-generic
linuxlite  ~  rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux  sudo modprobe 8812au
modprobe: ERROR: could not insert '8812au': Exec format error
linuxlite  ~  rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux 


One MIGHT notice that I tried to bluff my way through it all by assuming that somewhere on the hdd, was the RTL8821AU driver, and I just did what I had done so many times before ---> this time ignoring any negative answers of statements by LL.

I just merrily and obliviously went along the path, assuming that all was going well and that somehow LL was making a big mistake about it all and would think I was a nice guy and just LET IT HAPPEN!


Nope.

The text of my entries is as follows: (in case it's not obvious!)

(Open Terminal)


sudo apt-git install linux-headers-generic build essential git

git clone https;//github.com/scrivy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux.git

cd rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux

sudo make install

sudo modprobe 8812au

The next part-instruction is: Plug in WiFi adapter, wait until it starts working a few moments .... and enjoy!

The amount of enjoyment, at this point, is not really measurable.

fred_fish
20-03-2019, 08:21 AM
E: Unable to locate package build
E: Unable to locate package essential
Dunno if you got 99 problems, but this is one...

Your install command stops here without installing anything.

SurferJoe46
20-03-2019, 10:42 AM
Dunno if you got 99 problems, but this is one...

Your install command stops here without installing anything.

Yeah - I recognized that too - but since I think the driver still eists somewhere on the hdd, I ws hoping that the installer would just use it anyway.

Wrong!

I've got the cd with the Linux driver but for the life of me I cannot remember what tool to use to recompile it and install it again.

KarameaDave
20-03-2019, 03:21 PM
build essential is one package not two
it should be build-essential try that instead

SurferJoe46
20-03-2019, 03:54 PM
build essential is one package not two
it should be build-essential try that instead

You're good! Really really good!
Thanks, I didn't see that those were being viewed as two packages instead of one.

That little hyphen killed it all. Thanks!

At least I'm getting to the point whre I am beginning to understand your instructions - and finding my mistakes.

Again --- thanks!

KarameaDave
20-03-2019, 04:44 PM
Glad it helped Joe