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kiotimak
29-12-2018, 11:14 AM
Hi
First I would like to say that this is a new PF1 account that I created the other day because for some reason unknown to me I could sign into my other account in name/user kiotii but I had no Permissions to Post Threads, reply to questions etc etc. Contact I attempted with Moderators and Email I sent to PF1 were never answered. So, I created this account and managed to get here :D
I have a Real Stinker of a computer problem for past 3 weeks and as I couldn't get any info or Post threads here in PF1 its been a long winding road, to the apparent death of my computer, .2 mobo's.
Here it is :D

Major players in the Problem
Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P rev 4.0
8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1866 (2x4GB Sticks)
W10 Pro x64 v 1809

Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 rev 4.0
4GB Adata DDR2 800 (2x2GB Sticks)
W7 Pro x64 SP1

AMD Athlon II x4 630 2.8GHz CPU
CoolerMaster RS-550-PCAR-E3

CPU and PSU can be used with either Mobo

Problem now is no boot into windows on any mobo. No lights on keyboard/optical mouse/ CPU Heatsink cold/ Same with RAM and other Heatsinks.
Over the past 3 weeks, prior to the complete 'death' I was geting these issues happening:
When using the W10 system I wake and turn on computer and Black screen. Usually the computer runs 24/7 but I had turned it off the night before I got the Blackscreen.
Fans spinning but nothing onscreen. Changed the 4pin power to mobo and used the second of the 2 from the PSU and I have life onscreen. That worked for a short time then nothing again....... the Power on/off ir Reset Button of tower case front do nothing so I had to turn off computer using the Power on/off switch on the PSU.
So I removed the PSU, opened it and cleaned out 7 years of clogged dust. Did the same to Mobo and Fans/Heatsinks, and it brought the W10 system back to life.
Then it died again so change the 4 pin plug and again raise it from dead.
I thinking I have a PSU problem by this time...... or a Mobo prob....or both.
Got the GA-MA74 mobo, removed the HSk and CPU from the 78LMT mobo and put it into the GA-MA74 mobo, connected the PSU/kboard/mouse Monitor and HDD to the Sata cables form PSU etc and got life...did this 'swapping' mobo thing for two weeks. I couldn't get onto PF1 to submit a thread as I explained earlier. So I was
in a situation where I had to juggle and try to figure what/where the probs were/are.
PSU/Mobo???????
Then the penultimate thing to happen was the friday before Christmas I wake up and boot up the computer and have no internet...I had it before I shut down the computer and went to sleep.
Info said No Networking Hardware....... so I changed Ethernet from onboard connector to the NIC and still same, I tried 3 diffrent modems I have and the one Cat 5 Ethernet cable and still the same, No Network connection, No Hardware.
So I dig out an old Compaq Presario 06 running W7x86 on 1GB DDR1 Ram and boot that up and I have internet connection no prob at all.
The killer of it to me was that I was getting the No Hardware message on the 2 differnt Gigabyte Mobo!!! Huh???? Dumbstruck.
Tried Network Reset, Sys Restore was a no go because had no restore points to use! Vanished. Couldn't boot into SafeMode.
Device Manager from the GA-78LMT systen said the Network controller had no driver and to get one, so I use the Presario to go online, find the Mobo and the drivers, DL it and instal it to the 78LMT system, go to find it and am told That I do not have any Networking Hardware after Dev Manager showed it and said it needs a driver!!
More dumbstruck.....

Killer was Christmas eve......... no boot into W10 or W7..... changing the 4pin plug did nothing. So I am stuck to using the Compaq Presario for the time being.

I do have PSU from 200-300Watt I can use but am kinda loathe to try them in case its the Mobo faults that damaged the CoolerMaster or vice versa etc.
So...PSU, Mobo or both are the problem, and have failed.

I was in the slow process of building a new system using DDR4 RAM and AMD Ryzen CPU and was tossing up to get the 6 or 8 core. I have decided now that I will get the Ryzen 5 2400G because it has
Built in Graphics and I don't have to shell out $500+ for a decent GPU if I get the 6 or 8 Core. I am also going to buy a new PSU, probably the EVGA 550W Gold 80 Modular because I won't chance using the Coolermaster on the Gigabyte AB350M-D3H mobo I have, just to be safe.
I have no test equipment or even a Multimeter to test the Coolermaster, so I stay safe. The CoolerMaster I have had for 9 years and for the past 4-5 years its been on 24/7...be lucky if its had a month rest in total over that 4-5years.

This is off topic but I mention it: a neighbour had a computer in her basement and she gave me use of it 3 days ago. It is a HP Compaq d330u (?) Opened the case and aired it out for a couple hours, booted it up and there was ye olde WXP 32 Bit.... smiled but it worked just fine. and was a bit faster than this Presario
Only prob was there was no internet connection, and not having used XP for years I had to remember how to Create an Internet connection.
Well I got into that Internet Options and created a New Always on Broadband connection, Entered ISP name and my user name/password and was informed the 'Server' isn't responding. Thought I do a reboot as that often 'fixes' these things after changes made
And for the life of me, when it rebooted it was to a black screen!!! No lights on Kboard, Mouse but I knew the CPU etc was working because Heatsinks warmed up, Ram too etc etc... and HDD activity light blinking. Just no damn signal to Monitor!!!!!
ArRRRRRRRrrrrrrrggGGGGGGGGggggggHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fortunately this trusty Presaio 06 just keeps on rolling :D

Thanks in advance.

Kiotimak (kiotii)

Jen
29-12-2018, 06:21 PM
Hi
First I would like to say that this is a new PF1 account that I created the other day because for some reason unknown to me I could sign into my other account in name/user kiotii but I had no Permissions to Post Threads, reply to questions etc etc. Contact I attempted with Moderators and Email I sent to PF1 were never answered. Hi,

I've looked into your kiotii account and it says it is still "awaiting email confirmation". The account was created 14 March 2018, but had 0 posts. If you prefer the kiotii name, I can resend your email confirmation link - let me know. The email address it uses starts with 'b' ends in 'o' and is a gmail account.

Cheers,
Jen

PS* good luck with your problem. :)

Jen
29-12-2018, 09:07 PM
OK, you currently have three accounts. kioti (with the one i) - this is your correct account created in 2015 with >200 posts. If you cannot remember your password, use the "I forgot my password" option and an email will be sent to your gmail email address with the '257' in it.

I am removing your posts where you gave out your password for your other accounts and email addresses - please don't post stuff like that on a public forum.

Your other posts are not visible because they were auto-moderated with all the links you posted.

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 06:05 AM
OK, you currently have three accounts. kioti (with the one i) - this is your correct account created in 2015 with >200 posts. If you cannot remember your password, use the "I forgot my password" option and an email will be sent to your gmail email address with the '257' in it.

I am removing your posts where you gave out your password for your other accounts and email addresses - please don't post stuff like that on a public forum.

Your other posts are not visible because they were auto-moderated with all the links you posted.

Hi Jen
Thanks for your reply. I won't repeat what I said before about email accounts being wiped out when my computer was hit by Gandcrab2 malware and my having to create new ones. Unfortunately the email address with 257 in it I cannot access either because it was one of those that said I had wrong password and to get a reset of pword it wanted to send and email to my recovery address which was the one starts with b and ends with o and that had the same pword as the 257 one and they were all wong. I cannot get into that 257 email account at all. I tried 2 pwords I would/could have used and then tried the try different method and the next one was "when did you create this account".... absurd question really. I created it 2-3-4- year ago!! so having used the options from gmail to get a reset sent to me I received a message saying that they need time to 'look into' my account etc. It asked for an email account for them to send me an email so I game them the one I use now, that is the email account i wrote in my last message to you. So, basically the kioti account is a no go until I hear back from Gmail (Google) and that can take an eternity to get response from them. I went through that when I lost access to all 5 of my email accounts..... I just kept getting asked to do things I couldn't do and email I sent to Gmail/Google were never responded to. Google is worse the Facebook when one writes a complaint to them. As far as I am concerned, imho they are nothing more than automated computer generated letters and there are no humans working there at all! And they dumped another 'Layer' of Security on us not too long ago in which we will be sent a 4 digit code sent to a 'mobile phone' (assuming we all have mobile phones!!!) before we can send an email etc etc ............. so much Security hoohaa now that its almost impossible to use the damn Google stuff unless one has photographic memory or a tome of Notepad pages with all details recorded so they can be referred to when one wants to send granny a Happy Day greeting!
I digress, sorry.
Ok so here is what I think, as I have no access to kioti in PF1 or the email addresses for my accounts pre the one I use now, I think maybe it is best to leave things as they are and I use my new kiotimak PF1 account.
Re: my posting email addresses and pwords in the messages I sent you earlier, I only added them because I was of the opinion that anything I was sending in reply to your message to me in my thread were not visible to anyone but yourself, or other Mods who would read my messages and I considered the info I gave to be safe, because what I had sent you earlier was not showing in my Thread until it had been looked over by Mods or yourself is what I was informed. I would not give out my email addy's in a Forum because it is stated in the Sticky rules to not do so. Besides, it's common sense to not give out ones addys/pwords online in forums or Social Media etc. That is just begging for trouble to come ones way.
So as said, I think it best to leave things as they are and I use my current working kiotimak PF1 account.
Thanks.
Garry

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 06:29 AM
Jen, ps: re the loss of all my gmail accounts when I was hit by Gandcrab2, I mentioned earlier that it was 15 months ago and that was wrong, it must have been this year and it was about the time when I created the kiotii account, the one that you say a confirmation email was sent to me at the b.....o email account and that explains why I haven't clicked the link of confirmation of the account/email address I supplied when I created the kiotii PF1 account.
Cheers
Garry

piroska
30-12-2018, 07:49 AM
Problem now is no boot into windows on any mobo.
So I removed the PSU, opened it and cleaned out 7 years of clogged dust. Did the same to Mobo and Fans/Heatsinks, and it brought the W10 system back to life.




I was in the slow process of building a new system

Built in Graphics and I don't have to shell out $500+ for a decent GPU if I get the 6 or 8 Core.



The fact that you can boot means it is not power.
If you are building a new one, then why worry about it?

Getting a high end CPU does NOT mean it replaces GPU.

If you are into games, then you need a decent GPU, it's the single most important component for games. Whatever CPU you have will not help.

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 10:40 AM
The fact that you can boot means it is not power.
If you are building a new one, then why worry about it?

Getting a high end CPU does NOT mean it replaces GPU.

If you are into games, then you need a decent GPU, it's the single most important component for games. Whatever CPU you have will not help.

hi piroska. Yep I know about the High demands of games and GPU but its the pocketmoney at the mo. The AMD 2400G will cost me $250NZ, 16GB DDR4 G Skill or Corsair Vengence another 400+ at Mimimum and a PSU $160. Thats grand total $810. Yep I could buy the AMD 2600X for $360 and use the onboard graphics of the Gigabyte AB350M-D3H mobo I have. and buy 1 8GB DDR stick of Ram and the PSU I mentioned..... or try the 300W I have but that is useless because its only fitted with Molex connectors and all my HDD are Sata2/3... I don't have an NVME PCIe 22110 M.2 nor can I afford to get it if I have to get the CPU/RAM and PSU. I mean I could buy the AMD 2400G CPU, the EVGA PSU for $420 and try getting away with the 8GB Corsair Value Select RAM that costs $99 but I don't think it will supply the CPU with the fast Memory required to run it to its best because APU needs fast Ram.

I don't have another AM2+/ AM3 Mobo to drop my existing CPU into it and test the PSU I have. So as I said, its either Mobo or PSU is knackered, or both.
Or, for $244 I can buy a laptop with 8GB RAM and quad core (I think it was) from Staples and be up and running for a while til i get the DDR4 Rig up and running..... like with the awaited Zen 2 thats on its way next year. Yeah, I would love a 1080 GPU but man those things are for the wealthy or people with Amex Platinum cards!! Initially a few months back I would be happy with the outa date 1050 or 1060 at a much-buck less than the Latest offerings! I went through all that when I was doing Photography back here in NZ in the years 75-77 and it was all the 'Gotta have the Latest on the shelf Nikon F2 Photomic Head or Canon A1 etc etc......
Yeah it 'boots' but it doesn't boot into windows and now it boots into nothing. CPU not firing up, Fans running isn't booting
So its either PSU or Mobo or Both. Unless the CPU has decided to kick the bucket....as well.

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 10:59 AM
I have a DDR 4/ Ryzen Capable Mobo and all it needs is a CPU and Ram......and possibly a PSU. As you said "If you are building a new one, then why worry about it?" answer is simple.... I trying to get what I have working and thats come full stop, so now its the $$$$$$ rule the decisions.

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 11:09 AM
or I could grab this ex-lease for $113 and hang back til Jan/feb to continue the DDR4 Rig I'm planning to build
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/EXWKSHP8204/HP-Elite-8200-SFF-Desktop-PC-A-grade-OFF-LEASE-Int

dugimodo
30-12-2018, 11:28 AM
I'll admit to only having skimmed so far, so apologies if I've missed important details.

Just a note about AMD - only the 2200G, 2400G, and the 200E (?not sure, new athlon model) have GPUS, for any other CPU you will need a graphics card. There is no onboard graphics on any motherboards it's in the CPUs
Just one of your comments made it seem like you might not be aware of this.

dugimodo
30-12-2018, 11:50 AM
OK went back and re read it, seems like you might have known that.

Anyway, it does not seem to me like you would be very likely to have 2 faulty motherboards unless something else was damaging them, like maybe the PSU.
Also the fact that swapping a power connector brought it back to life temporarily when it should have done nothing is suspicious.

One thing that occurs to me though, when you are doing things like cleaning out the dust from the PSU you are disconnecting the mains power I would assume, it may be that the cold start from a total power down might be what is giving you short bursts of life, and something is possibly failing after running for a time.

Piroska generally seems to know more than I do so I hesitate to suggest it is actually the PSU, but it is a common factor here. Whatever the issue is, it has to be something that you are using in every case, like the RAM or CPU or PSU etc.
Swapping out the motherboard and getting the same issue is a pretty good pointer that it's probably not that. (I say things like should and probably a lot, there's no way to safely diagnose things remotely really).

I would suggest maybe once you've tried swapping out whatever parts you have it might be time to take the parts in to someone to look at and test for you, otherwise you run the risk of buying replacements one at a time trying to find the cuplrit and wasting money on things that aren't faulty.

Also, from what I've seen the 2400G is an ok gaming choice even without a graphics card, seems to perform about the level of a GT 1030 which will get you older games at 1080P no problem and the latest AAA titles at maybe 720P or 1080 at very low settings.
That's not as bad as it sounds, there are a lot of great games that are a year or 2 old that will play well. Having said all that if you are buying a graphics card then it's not the best choice, the 2600 is probably the best all round CPU for the price and only costs a few dollars more at the cost of needing a graphics card.

wainuitech
30-12-2018, 12:53 PM
Try changing the power Supply, its not uncommon for a fault in he PSU to cause all sorts of problems, had many a PC do stupid things even after booting into windows, change the PSU and problem disappears.

Have to totally agree with dugimodo's post:
Anyway, it does not seem to me like you would be very likely to have 2 faulty motherboards unless something else was damaging them, like maybe the PSU.
Also the fact that swapping a power connector brought it back to life temporarily when it should have done nothing is suspicious.


Also seen people blow perfectly good boards by plugging in a faulty PSU.

Lawrence
30-12-2018, 01:31 PM
You aren't running your power from a power board?,there may be a problem from the power strip

Try from direct from a 3 pin plug if a power strip is used as you have had problems with 3 if I have read right

piroska
30-12-2018, 01:32 PM
Piroska generally seems to know more than I do so I hesitate to suggest it is actually the PSU, but it is a common factor here. .

I skimmed it too...too big a paragraph...

Power usually doesn't let you boot at all, not boot and have a hissy with Windows. But who knows, you can get power failing if it's too low a wattage for whats connected.

But I reiterate - if you want to play games, don't stint on the graphics - buy last years high end car if budget is an issue - GPforms sale, Trademe or such, but don't skip it

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 02:53 PM
I'll admit to only having skimmed so far, so apologies if I've missed important details.

Just a note about AMD - only the 2200G, 2400G, and the 200E (?not sure, new athlon model) have GPUS, for any other CPU you will need a graphics card. There is no onboard graphics on any motherboards it's in the CPUs
Just one of your comments made it seem like you might not be aware of this.

dugimodo...thanks. I am aware of what you say and I am beginning to regret I had never mentioned the getting of the AMD 2400G and all the rest I added about the Mobo I have and the RAM I getting etc etc..... because it took my thread completely off topic which was/is:... Dead Computer... PSU or Mobo???
I'm dreading becoming target for Intel Fanboys and the thread becoming a battleground of AMD/Intel Diehards siting benchmarks etc etc for different i5/i7/i9 vs AMD hardware.
I think I will suffer the slowness of this Presario and its ultra dead slow Internet speed I am getting from my DSL Broadband DL Speed of 18MBps. Dialup was faster on a 52k modem.:waughh:
I settled on getting the 2400G because it will suffice for what I want to do until I get a decent PCIe3 GPU. I have used my AMD Athlon II X4 630 2.8GHz for 8-9 years and its just fine when I run it with the EVGA Nvidia Ge Force GT710 1GB DDR3 GPU to play games I play..and it runs Sniper Elite 3 just fine......but that GPU will not run in the New Mobo I have as its PCIe3. Such is life :D

thanks for your comments. well appreciated :clap

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 03:17 PM
I skimmed it too...too big a paragraph...

Power usually doesn't let you boot at all, not boot and have a hissy with Windows. But who knows, you can get power failing if it's too low a wattage for whats connected.

But I reiterate - if you want to play games, don't stint on the graphics - buy last years high end car if budget is an issue - GPforms sale, Trademe or such, but don't skip it

cheers pctek, much appreciated. I know exactly what you mean and I will do the best I can incrementally :D
yep the money's too tight to mention at the mo and has been for past 3 months because I am a pensioner and I am not getting my UK Pension on top of my NZ Pension because the Poms said I owed them about 50 quid from 20 year ago before I came back to NZ, so....the Wonderful NZ WINZ and Govt were NOT going to make up the 10 quid a week for 5 weeks while the Poms took the tenner from my UK Pension so the Kiwi's stopped getting my UK Pension paid directly to them and told me to get it paid to my Bank account (And pay Income tax to the Govt here :D ) and all the mail and phone numbers I get from UK give numbers (0800) that cannot be dialled from NZ and the email addresses go to 'Sorting offices' and take weeks to get to the Pension people there and they seem to 'lose' anything I send them. :D
Consequently I am on a deficit of pension close on $200 a fortnight and I have AP's and Direct Debits to pay and life goes on :D
Now that was certainly 'Off Topic!!'
ps: the CoolerMaster PSU I have is 550Watt and had plenty to spare with what being asked of it.

chiefnz
30-12-2018, 04:01 PM
Where are you located Kiotimak?

I have an Asus P8Z77VL-X mobo, Gen3 i7 (3770K) CPU, 16GB of DDR3 RAM and it has a Seidon 120 sealed CPU water-cooler.

It's yours gratis if you're interested.

PM me.

Cheers,

piroska
30-12-2018, 04:22 PM
yep the money's too tight to mention at the mo
ps: the CoolerMaster PSU I have is 550Watt .

And we have always had 750w in gaming PCs.....even now mine does, although I'm not gaming anymore.

But really check out https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

Buy last years...(or year before). raking is top row best, last row worst.
Look for the best older card you can afford - used.

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 10:49 PM
You aren't running your power from a power board?,there may be a problem from the power strip

Try from direct from a 3 pin plug if a power strip is used as you have had problems with 3 if I have read right

hi Lawrence...yep I was using a 6 socket surge protected powerstrip for some things like TV/ Desklamp and 2-3 External USB3 4TB HDD Power supples and another 4 socket surge protected strip for PC/Monitor and Logitech Speaker system and sometime I would connect my Canon printer. I will try connecting the PC direct to a wall socket on its own. Its a bit late in the day to start putting the lot together again so I will do that tomorrow. I do have a 350W PSU here from a DELL PC I can try as well. Good thing about that is it has 2 Sata Power connectors and 4 Molex. My GA 78LMT mobo does not have an IDE cable connection socket so I can use the 2 Sata power connectors to connect HDD. That will be my test to see if the CoolerMaster has gone on the blink. Yeah its only 350W but with minimum HW connected it should get the Mobo/RAM and CPU running and hopefully get W10 open to desktop.
The other mobo, the GA MA74MG-S2 has both IDE and 4 Sata 2 connectors so when I connect the Dell PSU to that I can connect either the Sata HDD with W7 OS and an Optic Dive, or use an IDE/Molex HDD I have a few of here and see if I can get it to instal W7 to a HDD. Testing out the Mobo and the AMD Athlon II x4 630 CPU to see how things transpire. Process of elimination.
Thanks for the suggestion. I never considered the Power Strip board.

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 10:56 PM
piroska
cheers. I will have a look at the link you supplied a little later. I had considered a 650 or 750Watt PSU in my plans a few months ago re: the new rig I have been planning to build.primarily because I was thinking AMD Ryzen 5 2700X and a GT 1069 GPU and 16GB DDR4. I am planning to buy a new PSU when Next week and as I said I was keen on the EVGA 550W Gold 80 Modular.... the 750W was not that much more expensive than the 550W
I will do some planning over the next 3 days and get some HW to get on the way with.
cheers

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 10:58 PM
Where are you located Kiotimak?

I have an Asus P8Z77VL-X mobo, Gen3 i7 (3770K) CPU, 16GB of DDR3 RAM and it has a Seidon 120 sealed CPU water-cooler.

It's yours gratis if you're interested.

PM me.

Cheers,

cheifnz
hi and cheers for the offer. I live in Dunedin NZ :D Mainlander..... I will PM you asap.
cheers

kiotimak
30-12-2018, 11:41 PM
OK went back and re read it, seems like you might have known that.

Anyway, it does not seem to me like you would be very likely to have 2 faulty motherboards unless something else was damaging them, like maybe the PSU.
Also the fact that swapping a power connector brought it back to life temporarily when it should have done nothing is suspicious.

One thing that occurs to me though, when you are doing things like cleaning out the dust from the PSU you are disconnecting the mains power I would assume, it may be that the cold start from a total power down might be what is giving you short bursts of life, and something is possibly failing after running for a time.

Piroska generally seems to know more than I do so I hesitate to suggest it is actually the PSU, but it is a common factor here. Whatever the issue is, it has to be something that you are using in every case, like the RAM or CPU or PSU etc.
Swapping out the motherboard and getting the same issue is a pretty good pointer that it's probably not that. (I say things like should and probably a lot, there's no way to safely diagnose things remotely really).

I would suggest maybe once you've tried swapping out whatever parts you have it might be time to take the parts in to someone to look at and test for you, otherwise you run the risk of buying replacements one at a time trying to find the cuplrit and wasting money on things that aren't faulty.

Also, from what I've seen the 2400G is an ok gaming choice even without a graphics card, seems to perform about the level of a GT 1030 which will get you older games at 1080P no problem and the latest AAA titles at maybe 720P or 1080 at very low settings.
That's not as bad as it sounds, there are a lot of great games that are a year or 2 old that will play well. Having said all that if you are buying a graphics card then it's not the best choice, the 2600 is probably the best all round CPU for the price and only costs a few dollars more at the cost of needing a graphics card.

dugimodo.hi...yep is real strange the 2 different mobo same problem using the same PSU and CPU, and as you say the 4 pin swapping resurrecting them when life on screen died. I think its a PSU problem that worsened over the 3-4 week period because my having to do the swapping of pins and mobo's went from once a week to twice all the way down to twice/thrice a day and then it become hourly or less in the last 2 days.. I have a 350W PSU here I can connect to the older GA MA74GM PS3 board and put the AMD Quad core into that and then put the AMD 3.2GHz Dual core CPU that came with the GA 78LMT-S2P board back in place, try the Cooler,aster with that rig and use the 350W PSU on the Quad Core rig. And see what happens. The Dual core 3.2GHz CPU will not run in the older GA MA74GM S2 board but the Quad will run in both boards. Probably because the FA BIOS in the older MA74 board is older than the BIOS in the 78LMT board (assumptions there)
Yep, the 2600X is the better option technically than is the 2400G and only costs $100 more but I would have to run on the 'onboard' graphics :D ( by which I mean the mobo's VGA outlet socket :D ) until I can get a decent GPU.
Decisions be made in the New years Day....I am thinking PSU is first on the list, then, new AM4 rig CPU and RAM at same time. But first I do the PSU and Mobo/CPU checking tomorrow
Cheers

dugimodo
31-12-2018, 12:10 AM
There is no 'onboard' graphics, any ports on the motherboard are to allow access to the GPU features of the 2200G/2400G etc and will not work with a 2600.

I meant the 2600, not the 2600X. There is much less difference in price between that and the 2400G, maybe $15 and it's not that far behind the 2600X

kiotimak
31-12-2018, 12:36 AM
OK went back and re read it, seems like you might have known that.

Anyway, it does not seem to me like you would be very likely to have 2 faulty motherboards unless something else was damaging them, like maybe the PSU.
Also the fact that swapping a power connector brought it back to life temporarily when it should have done nothing is suspicious.

One thing that occurs to me though, when you are doing things like cleaning out the dust from the PSU you are disconnecting the mains power I would assume, it may be that the cold start from a total power down might be what is giving you short bursts of life, and something is possibly failing after running for a time.

Piroska generally seems to know more than I do so I hesitate to suggest it is actually the PSU, but it is a common factor here. Whatever the issue is, it has to be something that you are using in every case, like the RAM or CPU or PSU etc.
Swapping out the motherboard and getting the same issue is a pretty good pointer that it's probably not that. (I say things like should and probably a lot, there's no way to safely diagnose things remotely really).

I would suggest maybe once you've tried swapping out whatever parts you have it might be time to take the parts in to someone to look at and test for you, otherwise you run the risk of buying replacements one at a time trying to find the cuplrit and wasting money on things that aren't faulty.

Also, from what I've seen the 2400G is an ok gaming choice even without a graphics card, seems to perform about the level of a GT 1030 which will get you older games at 1080P no problem and the latest AAA titles at maybe 720P or 1080 at very low settings.
That's not as bad as it sounds, there are a lot of great games that are a year or 2 old that will play well. Having said all that if you are buying a graphics card then it's not the best choice, the 2600 is probably the best all round CPU for the price and only costs a few dollars more at the cost of needing a graphics card.

dugimodo.hi...yep is real strange the 2 mobo same problem using the sale PSU and as you say the 4 pin swapping resurrecting the them when life on screen died. I think its a PSU problem that worsened over the 3-4 week period because my having to do the swapping of pins and mobo's went from once a week to twice all the way down to twice/thrice a day and then it become hourly or less in the last 2 days.. I have a 350W PSU here I can connect to the older GA MA74GM PS3 board and put the AMD Quad core into that and then put the AMD 3.2GHz Dual core CPU that came with the GA 78LMT-S2P board back in place, try the Cooler,aster with that rig and use the 350W PSU on the Quad Core rig. And see what happens. The Dual core 3.2GHz CPU will not run in the older GA MA74GM S2 board but the Quad will run in both boards. Probably because the FA BIOS in the older MA74 board is older than the BIOS in the 78LMT board (assumptions there)
Yep, the 2600X is the better option technically than is the 2400G and only costs $100 more but I would have to run on the 'onboard' graphics :D ( by which I mean the mobo's VGA outlet socket :D ) until I can get a decent GPU.
Decisions be made in the New years Day....I am thinking PSU is first on the list, then, new AM4 rig CPU and RAM at same time. But first I do the PSU and Mobo/CPU checking tomorrow
Cheers

kiotimak
31-12-2018, 01:13 AM
Try changing the power Supply, its not uncommon for a fault in he PSU to cause all sorts of problems, had many a PC do stupid things even after booting into windows, change the PSU and problem disappears.

Have to totally agree with dugimodo's post:

Also seen people blow perfectly good boards by plugging in a faulty PSU.

wainuitech...hi
yeah what dugimodo said that you quoted is exactly my thoughts. The only 2 constants in the HW were the PSU and the CPU.
I have a DELL 350W L350P-00 psu from a Dell computer I have here that I can use. It doesn't have the Wattage of the CoolerMaster but it will serve to see if I can get unbroken life from the mobo's and CPU. I did try a 200W a couple week ago and that booted the GA 78LMT into POST but didn't open into W10. I thought it didn't have enough power to open into Windows and that was in the early days of the loss of life to Monitor... before I started wondering about the Mobo/PSU/CPU failure possibilities.
What I have been doing the past couple weeks before I had complete loss of image to monitor was doing the swapping I mentioned but now I am going to set up the two mobo's with their own PSU and will put the AMD Quad core CPU back into the GA MA74GM-S2 Mobo with its 4GB DDR2 800 RAM and HDD that has W7 Pro installed and use the DELL 350W PSU to drive that rig.............. I have an AMD 3.2GHz Dual Core CPU that came with the GA 78LMT-S2P mobo and I will replace that into the board with its 8GB DDR3 RAM and W10 Pro x64 v1809 OS and use the CoolerMaster PSU to drive that rig and see what results I get.
I can connect the DELL 350W PSU to the board that is powered by the CoolerMaster if it doesn't boot into open Desktop and see what happens when I do that.
Process of elimination. I will be buying a new PSU next week anyway because I am going to need one no matter what for the new DDR4/A4 rig I intend to build. I have had the CoolerMaster 550WPSU/GA MA74GM-S2 mobo/ 4GB Adata DDR2 800 and the AMD 2.8GHz CPU for 8-9 years and the PSU has had a long life of 24/7 day- years.
I cannot use the AMD 3.2 Dual Core CPU in the GA MA74 mobo it will not run (BIOS is FA and I think the Newer GA 78LMT mobo has a newer BIOS than the MA74 Mobo)

"Also seen people blow perfectly good boards by plugging in a faulty PSU.".............yeah that was a possibility I considered and that is why I will get a new PSU to use with the New A4 Socket Mobo I have.

Tomorrow I will do all the connecting of parts and fire them up to see what transpires. A rig that runs without dropping out like I have been getting up to Christmas Eve would be great and give pointers to where the problem/s are.

Thanks

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Dell-Dimension-OptiPlex-Identical/dp/B00657I1H6

kiotimak
31-12-2018, 08:10 AM
Just for anyone reading who may be building a first Gaming PC or be interested in the AMD Ryzen 5 2400G APU :D

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/04/amds-newest-processors-are-so-good-you-can-skip-the-graphics-card/

Now its brekkie time and then start the piecing together of PC HW for two 'test' rigs.

kiotimak
31-12-2018, 01:06 PM
Hi and I think I have a result but not fully solved. I think I have removed the CoolerMaster PSU from the equation because I connected it up to this Compaq Presaio 06 and it booted up into Windows7, has been running for 45 minutes now so I intend to leave it in situ for the day.

Here is what I did to test the 2 Mobo and the CPU/s.
I knocked up 2 Rigs as follows:
Rig 1
Gigabyte GA 78LMT-S2P with AMD Athlon II ADX2600CK23GM 3.2GHz CPU,...8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport 2666 DDR3 RAM.... CoolerMaster RS-550-PCAR-E3 PSU (550W)

Rig 2
Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 with AMD Athlon II x4 630 2.8GHz CPU,....4GB Adata DDR2 800 RAM.... DELL 350P-00 PSU (350W)

Monitor:HP v216 LED ( connected to each rig when tested)

Result Rig 1: No Video out to monitor from D-Sub and EVGA GT710 GPU card (when connected to test). Tried changing the 4 pin to mobo connector from PSU and still nothing.
Fans spin, No LED on Kboard, No Optic light on Mouse, CPU Heatsink cold, RAM cold, Other Heatsinks cold, remove CPU Heatsink and CPU cold.
Power and reset buttons on front of Tower do not shut down or restart Computer. Had to cold kill from PSU off/on switch.
Decided to try the Rig 2 PSU and got same result as above. Decided to try the Rig 2 CPU with Both PSU and got the same result. That is doing the 4 pin connector swap for each change of HW. (Lotta cold killing going on)
Not: I tried the Quad core from Rig 2 in the Rig 1 setup because the Dual core AMD Athlon II ADX2600CK23GM 3.2GHz CPU came with the GA 78LMT mobo when I bought it and had never tried it having chosen to put my Quad core into it. So, it could be a dead fish. And it will not run the Quad core probably because Quad core BIOS is older than the BIOS in the GA 78LMT mobo.

Result Rig 2: same as Rig 1 result except that the CPU heatsink was slightly warm after 5 min run, the RAM and other Heatsinks and 4 other Black plastic covered components with gold 'R60' stamped on them near the PSU were warm. Shut down (Cold kill again), Removed CPU Heatsink and CPU was slightly warm.
I tried the CoolerMaster PSU, swapping the 4 pin connectors as said before and still no go to Windows , not even to POST.

After all that I decided to try the CoolerMaster PSU in this Presario 06 I am using and hope to 'H" that it don't screw the mobo and/or CPU in it. I have another 4 of these oldies with Intel P4's in them and an old AMD 1.6GHz Cpu in one but its just a pain having to get one and having to install a OS and updates/drivers/internet etc etc etc

So there it is. The info and facts. As said I leaving the CoolerMaster running in situ and to test the Quad AMD CPU I am going to have to get another AM2+/AM3 socket mobo. Will have to be a search of Trade Me or suchlike for something at a reasonable price. I did buy the Gigabyte GA 78LMT-S2P with AMD Athlon II ADX2600CK23GM 3.2GHz CPU from TradeMe for about $40.00 about a year ago. Reason I bought it was the Ga-MA74 mobo threw a wobbly and wouldn't run any PCIe2x16 GPU. I submitted a thread on that in my old PF1 account
Just to mention and this is off topic but shows how erratic the GA-MA74 Mobo had become, it wouldn't run the EVGA GT719 GPU card I had 8-10 month ago so I bought the GA 78LMT and it worked fine in there.
Then a few week ago when I had no output to monitor at one time I thought to try the EVGA card and it worked in the mobo that was refusing to run any PCIe2x16 card 8 months before. Absurd! SMH :D

I now am left to find if its the Mobo's failed or the Quad CPU and for that I need an AM2+/AM3 mobo. Thus far the CoolerMaster is ticking over for 90 mins, sweet as. Touch wood :D

Thanks to all for you advice and comments. Well appreciated and helped tremendously.

Kiotimak

kiotimak
31-12-2018, 01:36 PM
Correction:
Note: I tried the Quad core from Rig 2 in the Rig 1 setup because the Dual core AMD Athlon II ADX2600CK23GM 3.2GHz CPU came with the GA 78LMT mobo when I bought it and had never tried it having chosen to put my Quad core into it. So, it could be a dead fish. And the GA-MA74 Mobo will not run the Dual core AMD Athlon II ADX2600CK23GM 3.2GHz, probably because the GA MA74-S2 Quad core BIOS is older than the BIOS in the GA 78LMT mobo.

kiotimak
02-01-2019, 09:02 AM
Hi and a Happy New Year to all :D

The PSU is still running sweet as, its done 45 hours continuous supply to the Compaq Presario 06. I am aware that the Compaq HW wouldn't be needing as much Wattage and Current as the other 2 rigs so the final test for the CoolerMaster PSU comes when I get the other rigs up and running again. I am of the opinion that it is the AMD Athlon II x4 630 2,8GHz CPU that is the problem, so to test that theory at a cheap price, I have just purchased 2 AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.8 GHz Socket AM2+/AM3 CPU's for $5.00 apiece and $3.50 shipping from a seller in Trade Me. CPU's taken from non OC'd Office machines and I think they will do the task required nicely. I will post back when I have the new HW and report the results.

Cheers :D9284

kiotimak
11-01-2019, 12:42 PM
Ok and hi. I have it solved: throw in the towel. Want to know why then read on:
I received the 2 Athlon x2 240 CPU yesterday. Connected one to the Gigabyte 78LMT mobo..... using the 650W Coolermaster PSU, no go. Tried other CPU, same. Went to town but Thermal paste
Got home and tried again after applying the paste, this time I used the 350W Dell PSu. Action...fired up onscreen...then died.
After trying other 240 CPU and same results in both mobo I head beep tone...3 long 1 short...RAM I figured.
Outed both 4GB Sticks and tried one at a time... one is stuffed, it doesn't work in either RAM Slot but the other is fine in either slot.
One stuffed RAM
Booted into W10 Pro x64 v1809 and am again confronted with the same 'No internet network hardware' That happened on Both the 78LMT and GM74 Mobos. the GM74 mobo is breadboarded. Get the same Need Driver stuff when used onboard ( the Ethernet port on the mobo) and the NIC Card.
Eventually got that sorted after 2 Resets and a System restore.
Then 2 hours later the monitor goes to sleep. No 1 beep code on restart...zilch onscreen...
change HDD's to other HDD with Win 10 x64 Pro v1809 and same thing. When I do get it to open its the same No Networking connection...change Modems do all sorts and spend 2 hours trying to get an Internet connection having to change it from Public Network to Private Network 3 times before it actually connected...for 5 mins and the its monitor go to sleep, no HDD activity led, zero. Try to change HDD's again, remove reseat RAM the works...and that is with trying that on BOTH mobo's.
same damn thing/errors etc on the pair of them.
I am in town using Library computer to write this as the presario giving me a speed download of 114kbps is a joke...watch Ronnie Sullivan Snooker games and I the picture 'freezes after 5 secs play, I can hear the click of the balls and cue shots and when I get video onscreen again well knowck me down with a feather!!! there are 2 reds no longer on the table so at least 4 shots have been played.
A joke that is a real PITA
So, what do I do? Buy a replacement AM2+/AM3 Mobo, try that with a new instal pf W10 and go the ;ong path or just keep the money and buy the AMD 2400G and kick that system to life. Sounds good to me...but there's a person been emailing me and he says the Mobo D Sub is analog and so it will not send signal from the 2400G to the VGA port because the AMD's iGPU is Digital and not analogue so I will still need a discrete GPU...... yeah, well I can use the Gigabyte AB350M D3H Mobo I have DVI-D or HDMI ports to connect to monitor (Tele...my monitor doesn't have those ports, VGA only... but I do have adapters or could buy a cable....any way and not only but also...the wonderful EVGA GT 210 1GB DDR5 GPU card I have is PCIe2 and it works perfectly in the 78LMT mobo which utilises a PCIe3 slot. The EVGA card is short not full sized pin array for the PCIe Slots....so maybe that just bring life to screen.
Outcome: 1 RAM is dead, AMD Athlon II x4 630 2.8 Ghz CPU is dead...and maybe W10 is faulty on both HDD...shrug time.....
I honestly do not know why I am getting all that Monitor closing, No restart, no beep codes, no anything. The entire mishmash seems to be so erratic and I cannot pinpoint where the problem/s are. As said way earlier...it is absurd...two mobos, now 2 different PSU and CPU's and still it goes on...only thing I can think now is the W10 x64 v1809 I am using and which is the only constant used in both set ups is corrupted or something.
Long hard road to figure so I just dump it all. I get the AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and go on from there.
Thanks to all for your time effort.

garry McVay