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wainuitech
24-01-2015, 04:33 PM
Microsoft have just put out the latest Tech Preview for general download - 9926.

This first comment is for Gary67 (Sorry Mate but you were the first one I thought of) :p -- if MS stick to form - you'll sh1t bricks And stay with W7 -- Dont like the Kindy Icons,? They are also bunched together in different categories.

Heres the New Default Start Menu:
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Under all Apps ( down the bottom), when you click on it they are all listed 0-9 A-Z just like Windows 8.1 Start Screen. So all the kindy Tiles are mixed in with what ever programs are installed. OK they can be changed on the start menu, but the majority of general users wont know how or bother.
Right clicking the start button still brings up the W8.1 style.

1st impressions so Far out of 1-10 with 10 being great -- 2

At least 75% of the network computers can no longer be accessed, when as before they were fine. Apart from 1 XP Machine, the only ones that can be accessed are Servers, any W7 or 8.1 :crying

The PC is SLOWER, takes longer for things to load.
At least 50% of the programs Ive installed, crash or lock up when opened, nothing fancy, just media players etc
The icons have changed again,this is only cosmetic, but thats minor.

Cortana Doesnt work yet - Not available in your reign :annoyed:

Need to look at the other new options ( if they work) still.

Just as well its only still in development - If it were final - even Free they can keep it - Id stay with 8.1

Nick G
24-01-2015, 05:11 PM
Cortana is still in beta, it's possible to get it on the phone anyway, might be possible on the desktop as well.

Just about to install and update the tech preview now, will see what my experiences are!

gary67
24-01-2015, 05:45 PM
Man that's an ugly interface. I will be upgrading when it comes out if free :punk:eek: or under $10 :tui:

dugimodo
24-01-2015, 05:49 PM
It will be free for windows 7 or 8 users for the first year, been many recent posts and website stories to that effect.

pctek
25-01-2015, 06:30 AM
At least 75% of the network computers can no longer be accessed

The PC is SLOWER, takes longer for things to load.
At least 50% of the programs Ive installed, crash or lock up when opened


Terrific.
So...hows Linux these days?

R2x1
25-01-2015, 07:08 AM
What age group is W10 targeting?

KarameaDave
25-01-2015, 07:22 AM
Awww! Just when M$ was looking positive and undoing the damage Ballmer inflicted,
they go and release 3 (8, 8.1, 10) versions of the OS that suck worse than Vista.

A truly magnificent effort.

Ah well, back to Linux Mint I guess.

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 09:01 AM
Microsoft have only 1 saving grace with the previews -- OK they are for testing, so as long as they listen problems will be fixed.

BUT going by some comments, maybe they dont, some are posting obvious faults, some MS people respond but appear to have no clues or give a political answer so posters have to spell it out as if talking to kids.:rolleyes: Makes you wonder sometimes who is actually writing the new codes and who are just yes men/women ;)
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The saving grace is in the insider program comments:
Unexpected PC crashes could damage or even delete your files, so you should back up everything. Some printers and other hardware might not work, and some software might not install or work correctly, including antivirus or security programs. You might also have trouble connecting to home or corporate networks.
The down side is there shouldn't be large amounts of failures for public releases.

In the insider forums, its interesting to read all the complaints about whats broken now, or things that are not liked. Several comments about going backwards with this build - the previous start menu was starting to repair the harm done earlier, but now gone backwards.

One thing that is mentioned is some of the problems only happen if its via the upgrade option - a fresh install and most of the faults don't appear -- Thats NOT a good start if MS are going to upgrade W7 -8.1 on existing installs.

Doing a fresh install to see if the problems still exist.:)

mzee
25-01-2015, 09:25 AM
The start page reminds me of Windows 311 which came on floppy discs and ran on 8MB of RAM.
Maybe Microsoft should learn something from Linux, most versions have attractive functional desk tops. Most of my Windows software will run on Linux now.

In 2009 I installed "Tiny Windows 7" on one of my computers, a very small Asus with a 7" screen & a 4GB drive, using a card for data and software. Apart from emulating a cooker this has never missed a beat, very useful for Email on the road. It is based on Windows 7 Ultimate and fits on a single CD. Why don't Microsoft produce their own version of the 'Pirated' one instead of more bloat? Tiny Windows 7 does everything except languages, this is why I use the full versions because we need Chinese here.

I tried Windows 8, came with an Acer computer, by the time I had got it how I wanted it, there was no point in changing from Windows 7.

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 09:26 AM
From one person on the Insider form,
This build should not have been released the start menu functionality is so bad. The Start menu on the previous build was shaping up to be very good - this build has gone seriously backwards.

I am particularly disappointed about no resizing or customisation, and no option to disable web search results in the Start menu search.

Microsoft Response linked in the thread basically to the post--


According to the most recent windows blog there's still a lot more personalization planned for the start menu including the ability to resize.

In other words, get it working in one build, break it to make changes then fix it.:waughh: Time will tell in future builds.

Nick G
25-01-2015, 11:44 AM
Well just to be different, my experiences.

1. Start menu seems just fine to me. Yes, it could do with a couple of tweaks, but the general idea seems very good. If you're surprised it needs a few small changes - hello, it's a technical preview. If you're expecting software which needs no improvements or changes, why install software labelled as technical preview?

2. Performance seems pretty good, no crashes yet. IE in particular seems to have gotten quite a bit faster - definitely looking forward to Spartan.

3. With about 5 minutes of work, not needing google - Cortana up and working fine, not hard at all ;) - seriously, take 5 minutes and get it working before complaining about it not working!

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 12:59 PM
The network problem is now resolved, well a work around anyway. MANY people having problems with it, you need to make a a reg change then it works.

Heres How, Using REGEDIT it's necessary to create a DWORD value called 'AllowInsecureGuestAuth' in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorks tation\Parameters and set this new value to 1.

Reboot and it works ( in most cases)

Another thing that's missing/removed is the Windows update in the control Panel. Many are complaining the Settings app ends in errors, and update wont work. To get the Old one back you again alter the reg and the old option is then back.

Open Notepad, paste in the following:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX]
"IsConvergedUpdateStackEnabled"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX\Settings]
"UxOption"=dword:00000000

Save it as WU.reg then merge it, reboot.


Cortana up and working fine, not hard at all - seriously, take 5 minutes and get it working before complaining about it not working! Heres a thought, instead of making stupid unhelpful comments why not actually provide details -- Changing the regional settings, Location and Language to English (United States) to USA didn't work. Thats the first thing I did. As far as the computer is concerned its in the USA. So whats your suggestion ?

gary67
25-01-2015, 02:44 PM
If I wasn't packing for the move North even I would download it and have a look.

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 03:47 PM
Theres plenty of faults in this build. Yes its testing and that's why its faulty, it seems when operations / features are changed, it will break something else.

On the insider forum, theres 50 pages of posts so far. Some have suggestions to problems, but theres a lot of comments along the lines of Microsoft going backwards in this build. Quite a few are saying they will be going back to the previous as this ones a "bit of a mess" as it is. Of course MS will put out fixes for some things and wait till the next to repair.

Tony
25-01-2015, 04:22 PM
Whoops! My Bad - I started a similar thread on PressF1 before I noticed this one. This is what I posted:

I've just installed build 9926 and my initial impression (after about 5 mins) is favourable. The start menu changes are a definite improvement and the taskbar icons are much cleaner. It looks like the "modern" apps now start windowed rather than full screen - which is a definite improvement IMHO.

It get the impression it starts up a little faster (from glacial down to sluggish on my PC under VMplayer).

Still getting 2 avatars on the login screen.

No Cortana though - when are we going to see it?

After a bit more usage I haven't noticed any particular problems. I like the changed start menu and I like the way you can expand it to full screen if you want to.

I too tried just changing region to get Cortana going - didn't work for me either.

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 04:49 PM
Just seen a Post on the Microsoft insider program, my first thought was funny (its a serious Question - but thought it funny)

The question:
I installed the new build (9926) and immediately tried to play with Cortana. She starts up when I say "Hey Cortana" but then immediately stops listening. SWMBO agrees -- Its female -- Dont females stop listening to males right after their names are mentioned ? :D

I'll run away and hide now :p

Nick G
25-01-2015, 05:03 PM
Heres a thought, instead of making stupid unhelpful comments why not actually provide details -- Changing the regional settings, Location and Language to English (United States) to USA didn't work. Thats the first thing I did. As far as the computer is concerned its in the USA. So whats your suggestion ?

Changed country to US, set English US as primary language. You might need to turn Cortana on from the search box menu.
Hey, Cortana. Easy.
Just did a fresh install of Windows 10, no problems getting Cortana to work this time either.

Let's flip your comment around the other way - instead of making stupid unhelpful comments complaining about a beta feature included in a technical preview, why not take a few minutes to see if it can be enabled easily - or ask if anyone knows how to get it working before complaining about it not working :thumbs:

Cicero
25-01-2015, 05:10 PM
If I wasn't packing for the move North even I would download it and have a look.

If you use NZ Van Lines they will do it all for you.

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 05:17 PM
Changed country to US, set English US as primary language. You might need to turn Cortana on from the search box menu.
Hey, Cortana. Easy.
Just did a fresh install of Windows 10, no problems getting Cortana to work this time either.

Let's flip your comment around the other way - instead of making stupid unhelpful comments complaining about a beta feature included in a technical preview, why not take a few minutes to see if it can be enabled easily - or ask if anyone knows how to get it working before complaining about it not working :thumbs: Sorry Sunshine --- did ALL that Before posting the comment. as well as running though every setting it has :nerd:

YOU just assumed it hadn't been done. Its been known for months (last preview) that Cortana was only available in the USA currently, so all the settings were changed then, double checked etc -- Still not working. Many others in the insider program are reporting various problems as well. Cortana was turned off, but again turned it on BEFORE posting, and the mic works fine. It wont open when prompted you have to click it, then sits there doing nothing when talking as you're meant to.

As mentioned earlier - its in beta still and faulty. AND before its asked, I did a fresh install and that's the same as well.

So any other helpful suggestions ?

Not that its really a worry, - its a damn gimmick, may be OK on phones but on a desktop , can see it being a pain.

Nick G
25-01-2015, 05:49 PM
Sorry Sunshine --- did ALL that Before posting the comment. as well as running though every setting it has :nerd:

YOU just assumed it hadn't been done. Its been known for months (last preview) that Cortana was only available in the USA currently, so all the settings were changed then, double checked etc -- Still not working. Many others in the insider program are reporting various problems as well. Cortana was turned off, but again turned it on BEFORE posting, and the mic works fine. It wont open when prompted you have to click it, then sits there doing nothing when talking as you're meant to.

As mentioned earlier - its in beta still and faulty. AND before its asked, I did a fresh install and that's the same as well.

So any other helpful suggestions ?

Not that its really a worry, - its a damn gimmick, may be OK on phones but on a desktop , can see it being a pain.

So do you have it successfully enabled just not working properly? Or not enabling getting the 'not available in your location' message? :confused::confused:


Given your original comment about it was 'Cortana Doesnt work yet - Not available in your reign', with no reference to actually trying to enable it, it's a pretty decent assumption I made ;)

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 07:28 PM
So do you have it successfully enabled just not working properly? Or not enabling getting the 'not available in your location' message? :confused::confused:


Given your original comment about it was 'Cortana Doesnt work yet - Not available in your reign', with no reference to actually trying to enable it, it's a pretty decent assumption I made ;) All the settings , region, language etc are exactly as you mentioned. (have been since I tried to get it working in the last build). The Mic works fine, do an audio test and it detects and records as it should normally.

Check Cortana was turned on, at first it wasn't, turned it on, turned it off then on again, and rebooted, rechecked all the settings fully. when you say Hey Cortana nothing happens, some say you have to say it loudly, any louder and I'd be yelling. If you click on the search, Cortana appears, sign into The MS account like you have to, but now thats it -- Zip /Zelch nada -Nothing.

Will be entertaining when finished a office full of people all going Hey Cortana -----Cant see it ;)

Nick G
25-01-2015, 09:00 PM
Oh ok, so Cortana is actually on, it's just not working properly.

Yea, the speech recognition is very hit and miss on my laptop as well - mainly miss; I'd expect them to improve on it pretty quickly. Main thing is that it is actually possible to enable, even if it is a very early iteration so far.

wainuitech
25-01-2015, 09:16 PM
"May" have seen a solution, its relating to another start menu problem a few people are experiencing, have to try it later, its actually to do with forcing functions to work that may be broken.

@NickG -- can you log into the windows insider program ? Reason being theres a lot of interesting articles that describe lots of problems. You need to log in to read them ?

What I mentioned about firstly, re slow etc: (these are NOT my posts on insider, but other users)


I notice a significant amount of lag on my system, whereas the previous build was smooth as silk - and I've performed the updates, and the build has been running for several hours to complete whatever background tasks it needs to do. I've also rebooted a couple times. Getting the start menu to show up is hit-or-miss - just generally seems to be worse for me. Cortana doesn't work well, and if I turn cortana off, Bing becomes a clickbait generator when I try to search.

Sadly I have to agree with this, all of the builds have been great so far until 9926. It has just not been running smoothly, apps crashing left and right and just overall not a great experience.

I know it is early but 9926 just seems troublesome after a great experience with 9879. Cortana does not like me, she is sitting on top of my Icons, my icons will not drop and stick to the lower taskbar.

Theres a huge amount more negative or problematic posts than positive welcome to testing ;)

Tony
25-01-2015, 09:17 PM
I'm probably being very thick but I still can't follow what I have to do to (a) enable Cortana and (b) initiate it (c) troubleshoot it. A step by step guide would be helpful.

I think I got confused by the flame skirmish (not really a war, eh?) :)

Nick G
25-01-2015, 10:15 PM
I'm probably being very thick but I still can't follow what I have to do to (a) enable Cortana and (b) initiate it (c) troubleshoot it. A step by step guide would be helpful.

I think I got confused by the flame skirmish (not really a war, eh?) :)

Ok, so to initiate Cortana

1. Open up PC settings (The modern/metro application, not control panel). Click on 'Time & Language'. Click on the 'Region & Language' option. Change the country to United States. Click 'Add a Language', click on 'English', then select 'English (United States)'. It might take a little to download. Left click on it, and then click again on 'Set as primary'.

2. Reboot, and click on the search bar. Cortana may be enabled - if it's not, click on the settings menu in the search bar (Once you've clicked on the search bar, it's the three horizontal lines in the top left corner). There should be an option to turn Cortana on there.

Hopefully this helps :)

Nick G
25-01-2015, 10:22 PM
@NickG -- can you log into the windows insider program ? Reason being theres a lot of interesting articles that describe lots of problems. You need to log in to read them ?

Sure, will check those out tomorrow :)

For me, performance, especially with search, is quite a bit better than Windows 8.1

gary67
26-01-2015, 07:01 AM
If you use NZ Van Lines they will do it all for you.

Doing our own packing but NZ vanlines doing the actual shifting North for us.

Tony
26-01-2015, 07:18 AM
OK, got Cortana enabled - thanks Nick G. It won't respond to voice commands though. I think I have everything enabled in the settings and AFAIK the microphone is working (checked it through speech recognition). The only voice response I've had was when I set up my name.

Tony
26-01-2015, 08:04 AM
I actually got Cortana to respond to my voice! It gave me the weather in "Oakland" (Duh!). Since then, not a sausage. It may be down to the slowness of the VM. I've revised my assessment of the speed from glacial to tectonic.

(posted from Win10 build 9926)

wainuitech
26-01-2015, 09:01 AM
Well FINALLY got Cortana working, oddly enough the network connection wasn't working this morning (was fine yesterday) repaired it then cortana suddenly opened & worked. :confused:
You have to speak slowlyyyyyyyy like the yanks, seems to work better :waughh:

Asked her some general questions like "whats the weather today in wellington" according to the voice and text reply its 66 Degrees and fine.

Had to chuckle -- Asked "whats the best porn site" ( get some customers asking that in real life) :eek: IE opens with a whole list of sites :lol::lol: Understood that OK. Other things it doesn't.

Asked a couple of questions and I got a smart reply, even the voice changed and sounded errrrrrrr <guess> -- cheeky b1tch.

Nick G
26-01-2015, 11:28 AM
I actually got Cortana to respond to my voice! It gave me the weather in "Oakland" (Duh!). Since then, not a sausage. It may be down to the slowness of the VM. I've revised my assessment of the speed from glacial to tectonic.

(posted from Win10 build 9926)

Might be, but give it a little bit. It's quite a bit better for me this morning than it was last night.

Tony
26-01-2015, 01:27 PM
I had a "connection problem" at one point also. Had no problem getting to a web page at that point though.

pcuser42
26-01-2015, 07:44 PM
This build doesn't seem to want to install on Virtualbox. Stuck on the "Getting ready" screen...

zqwerty
26-01-2015, 07:48 PM
According to this website it is possible to get Spartan working in this build. I have not installed yet so just posting fyi:

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsofts-new-spartan-engine-masks-itself-as-chrome

zqwerty
26-01-2015, 08:20 PM
More info about tweaks for the new build:

http://betanews.com/2015/01/25/windows-10-technical-preview-build-9926-hands-on-making-good-on-earlier-promises/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed+-+bn+-+Betanews+Full+Content+Feed+-+BN

Tony
26-01-2015, 08:33 PM
This build doesn't seem to want to install on Virtualbox. Stuck on the "Getting ready" screen...

IIRC I had that problem with a previous build.

wainuitech
26-01-2015, 08:45 PM
This build doesn't seem to want to install on Virtualbox. Stuck on the "Getting ready" screen...

How are you trying to install?

Are you using a ISO or DVD.

If you are using Oracle VM Virtual Box make sure you have the latest version which supports Windows 10 - Mines 4.3.20, make sure you select Windows 8.1 as the OS.

It can take a time, This PC has only 4GB total memory, ( split 50/50 on VM and PC) and took just on 10 minutes to get past that stage, as long as the Activity light on the VM, and PC are going nuts :) go have a couple of beers while waiting.

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pcuser42
26-01-2015, 09:26 PM
Installing from ISO, updated to the latest version and still a no go. Saw something about DEP being an issue, will try that tomorrow.

pcuser42
28-01-2015, 07:53 PM
Finally got the preview going on a spare machine. Not going to make any judgements on performance as it only has 2GB RAM but it seems okay so far. Still some annoyances and the Settings app didn't work the first time around.

But Cortana works :D

paulw
29-01-2015, 08:01 AM
Just wondering what "Windows Rollback" is in the boot menu. Does it go to the previous version or roll back the current version to the previous version??

wainuitech
29-01-2015, 08:29 AM
Just wondering what "Windows Rollback" is in the boot menu. Does it go to the previous version or roll back the current version to the previous version?? it could be one of the known bugs in the new build.

From MS:
After installing this build, you may see a boot selection menu each time you reboot your PC. This is because a bug where a second boot option is persisted to uninstall the Windows 10 Technical Preview and roll back to the previous OS installed. When you get to this screen, if you do nothing it will automatically boot to the Windows 10 Technical Preview within 30 seconds by default or you can choose it on your own. Don't worry, this behavior is only temporary

paulw
29-01-2015, 09:42 AM
Thanx Wainui. It is a duel boot PC which I have EasyBCD installed so I removed that entry out of the boot up menu. One thing I have notice with this build is that I can't drag short cuts from the task bar or from the start menu to the desk top. I installed ClassicShell and it was OK with that..

dugimodo
29-01-2015, 12:15 PM
Thanx Wainui. One thing I have notice with this build is that I can't drag short cuts from the task bar or from the start menu
did you try right clicking - send to ?

Tony
30-01-2015, 08:39 AM
I'm running build 9926 under VMplayer and it is glacially slow.

When I try and install Win 10 in a "real" partition I get an error about missing drivers right at the beginning - see attached screenshot. My problem is (a) how do I identify the device(s) it is talking about and (b) there are two devices I suspect - an SSD and a USB3 card. The drivers for both of these come in the form of setup.exe files, so I don't know how to make them available to Win10 setup.

Any ideas for how I might either sidestep the issue or provide the drivers?

TIA.

wainuitech
30-01-2015, 09:32 AM
That message can be caused by several things. Sometimes its a bad Download / burn and its corrupted, the inbuilt drivers in the install should be Fine.
One other time I had that with an earlier version ( complete install not VM) and after changing the hard disk to use IDE from AHCI mode in the BIOS it went fine. ( this was with a Standard SATA HDD, not a SSD)

Its also been reported many times that if you are using a X64 and it doesn't work with this error, try a 32 Bit / X86 and it works.

Tony
30-01-2015, 09:49 AM
I'll download a 32-bit version and see what happens. Thanks.

Tony
30-01-2015, 11:47 AM
The 32-bit iso gave exactly the same response.

I'll try changing from AHCI to IDE, but I'm not optimistic.

wainuitech
30-01-2015, 12:00 PM
Can sometimes happen if you try to install from a USB drive instead of a DVD. Some say its if you use a USB3 port as well, but W10 has inbuilt support for USB3.

Tony
30-01-2015, 12:45 PM
Hooray(ish)! Changing to IDE worked. The 64-bit version installed smoothly and as I set it up to be all US, Cortana worked out of the box.
Without any hope of success, I then changed back to AHCI, and sure enough it all turned to custard. Of course that means that Win7 is also IDE, but I can live with that.

The next issue is that I now have the Win10 boot menu, which works OK except it is slow to load and if I choose Win7 it reboots and then goes straight to Win7. I can live with it, but I'd much prefer the old boot menu, just with Win 10 added. How do I remove the Win10 menu?

wainuitech
30-01-2015, 01:09 PM
Not 100% sure exactly what you are asking to do really. If you have W10 installed as a dual boot with W7, then 10 will take over with the boot options for 7 & 10.

My W10 is the same with being slow to boot -- Compared to W7, same Hardware, W10 takes almost twice as long (timed it). Personally never dual booted 7 & 10, just as easy to throw in another HDD, the side is always off the case :)

Don't know if this will be of any help ? but have a read of http://www.extremetech.com/computing/143380-how-to-dual-boot-windows-8-and-windows-7

Tony
30-01-2015, 03:50 PM
OK, fixed it. I used EasyBCD to delete all the boot entries and then recreated them and bingo! the old boot menu reappeared. By "old" I mean the b/w text based one rather than the light blue background graphical menu that Win8/10 sets up. It loads much faster and directly loads the selected OS rather than rebooting first.

wainuitech
30-01-2015, 06:13 PM
the old boot menu reappeared. By "old" I mean the b/w text based one rather than the light blue background graphical menu that Win8/10 sets up. Awhhh right :thumbs: That's what you meant, didn't quite understand it at the time -- Mind you the way todays going I'm bound to forget my own name LOL.

SWMBO calles me "hoy" dont think its that ;)

paulw
30-01-2015, 06:18 PM
did you try right clicking - send to ?

No option for that . Only Pin to Start and Pin to Taskbar. Can't even drag from Task bar to desktop.

nmercer
03-02-2015, 03:02 PM
Woah at least M$ is giving people a lot to moan about.

Tony
03-02-2015, 03:09 PM
Woah at least M$ is giving people a lot to moan about.A lot of the moaning seems to me to be quite unfounded. This is a technical preview - a much earlier stage of development than we've seen in the past. It shouldn't be surprising that (a) things are rough round the edges (b) things change from build to build (c) some things don't work (yet). It's not often users get an opportunity to (maybe) influence development of a major product from a fairly early stage.

nmercer
03-02-2015, 03:38 PM
Exactly if things are so bad with Windows 10 previews, I don't know why I'd even subject myself to the hassle. Unless I wanted to use the name M$ in forums.

Tony
03-02-2015, 03:50 PM
Exactly if things are so bad with Windows 10 previews, I don't know why I'd even subject myself to the hassle. Unless I wanted to use the name M$ in forums.(a) They are not "so bad" (b) you get involved with the previews because you are interested in the technology and want to see it develop and maybe influence it.

You pretty much display your biases when you use "M$".

paulw
04-02-2015, 07:33 AM
A lot of the moaning seems to me to be quite unfounded. This is a technical preview - a much earlier stage of development than we've seen in the past. It shouldn't be surprising that (a) things are rough round the edges (b) things change from build to build (c) some things don't work (yet). It's not often users get an opportunity to (maybe) influence development of a major product from a fairly early stage.

The feature I'm complaining about worked fine in the two previous previews.. So why break it??

Tony
04-02-2015, 08:35 AM
The feature I'm complaining about worked fine in the two previous previews.. So why break it??Who knows why it "broke"? Having been engaged in large scale systems development back when the world was young it doesn't surprise me at all that things that apparently worked stop working when you add something else. It is the nature of systems development, especially in something as complex and intertwined as an operating system.

This is a work in progress, not a finished product. You have to expect things to be fluid.

nmercer
04-02-2015, 08:39 AM
The feature I'm complaining about worked fine in the two previous previews.. So why break it??

post your feedback in the Windows Feedback tool

Microsoft doesn't read NZ PressF1 forums looking for Windows 10 beta complaints

nmercer
04-02-2015, 08:40 AM
The network problem is now resolved, well a work around anyway. MANY people having problems with it, you need to make a a reg change then it works.

Heres How, Using REGEDIT it's necessary to create a DWORD value called 'AllowInsecureGuestAuth' in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorks tation\Parameters and set this new value to 1.

Reboot and it works ( in most cases)

Another thing that's missing/removed is the Windows update in the control Panel. Many are complaining the Settings app ends in errors, and update wont work. To get the Old one back you again alter the reg and the old option is then back.

Open Notepad, paste in the following:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX]
"IsConvergedUpdateStackEnabled"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX\Settings]
"UxOption"=dword:00000000

Save it as WU.reg then merge it, reboot.

Heres a thought, instead of making stupid unhelpful comments why not actually provide details -- Changing the regional settings, Location and Language to English (United States) to USA didn't work. Thats the first thing I did. As far as the computer is concerned its in the USA. So whats your suggestion ?

Its really not recommended to bring back WU into the control panel like this with a reghack

Put the feedback about what is missing into the Windows Feedback tool

Tony
04-02-2015, 08:42 AM
post your feedback in the Windows Feedback tool

Microsoft doesn't read NZ PressF1 forums looking for Windows 10 beta complaints

It actually wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft NZ has someone lurking.

wainuitech
04-02-2015, 09:05 AM
It actually wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft NZ has someone lurking. They Do ;)

wainuitech
04-02-2015, 09:53 AM
Its really not recommended to bring back WU into the control panel like this with a reghack

Put the feedback about what is missing into the Windows Feedback tool The reg hack was posted on the Insider Program after many people complained about it being missing from the control panel.

Another problem MANY people are having is you can see other computers on your LAN, but cant access them, the error is " The account is not authorized to login from this station" -- a reg hack was posted again on the Insider program, and it works the majority of the time.

Microsoft reply
In the January release of Windows 10 Technical Preview (build 9926) we made a change related to security and remote file access that may affect you.

Full article on insider http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_web/error-the-account-is-not-authorized-to-login-from/ffa63cc0-92d0-4639-9e3f-4d50100c1841

Later in the thread, there was a link to a reply from Microsoft that said it was a security risk doing it, and it was done on purpose :illogical, and by the wording Microsoft wanted every one to use Homegroup -- NOT gonna happen :yuck: cant see millions of businesses world wide having to go through and change mobile devices, workstations to use home group.
:tui:



Microsoft Replies to the LAN connection access:


You may see suggested workarounds where making a registry change restores your ability to connect with guest access. We do NOT recommend making that change as it leaves you vulnerable to the kinds of attacks this change was meant to protect you from.

If they are all Windows 7 or newer, you might consider using the Homegroup functionality, which will take care of security behind the scenes for you.



All good and dandy as long as its only basic Computers, BUT what about Servers, Earlier versions of Windows , MAC's, linux -- All have to use standard Networking Via a workgroup. Microsoft even say them selves when asked a question.

Q: Windows Server doesn't support homegroups like Windows 7 and 8 do so my question is how to "emulate" that?
A: From the description, all of the computers are not in domain. So we are talking about a workgroup sharing issue. Is this correct?

If so, then local accounts are used in workgroup sharing. You could create local users on Windows Server with same username and password as users on other client computers. Then create a group for these users and share your folders to the group.


OH WAIT, the answer is standard Networking, NOT homegroup :D

Alex B
04-02-2015, 10:21 AM
So much moaning about a product that's not even released yet.

Nick G
04-02-2015, 10:29 AM
It actually wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft NZ has someone lurking.


You know nmercer works at Microsoft right? :p

wainuitech
04-02-2015, 10:34 AM
So much moaning about a product that's not even released yet.That's the whole idea about pre releases, :) -------- To point out the items that don't work, or people are having problems with.

Microsoft can test all they like on site, but cant factor in every type of daily usage. By having people complain / Advise they can hopefully fix any unforeseen problems when ever a change is made or something new added, and general feedback ( good or bad). Other wise its put out a OS, hope like hell it works and then service packs to fix all the faults.

Alex B
04-02-2015, 11:07 AM
Yeah but you're kinda pointing them in the wrong direction. As Nathan said, use the feedback tool.

wainuitech
04-02-2015, 11:32 AM
Yeah but you're kinda pointing them in the wrong direction. As Nathan said, use the feedback tool. People do use the feedback tools, as well as forums Microsoft have developed for the purpose.

There's plenty of other forums world wide that have threads relating to the same subject, not just on the Microsoft sites. Many other forums are far better at providing answers to questions than the MS forums. Sometimes the answers on the MS forums are incorrect, not really an answer or the question is danced around without actually answering it.

Question -- if threads weren't crated on this and other forums around the world, how many people do you think would actually only visit the Microsoft ones, which in some cases are not exactly in the open ?

I'll show you what I'm referring to -- Here's the insider home page https://insider.windows.com/ Wheres the forum Link. Its not a closed forum, so anyone can view the questions and answers, you only need to sign in to create or reply.

Whenu
04-02-2015, 01:48 PM
That's the whole idea about pre releases, :) -------- To point out the items that don't work, or people are having problems with.

Microsoft can test all they like on site, but cant factor in every type of daily usage. By having people complain / Advise they can hopefully fix any unforeseen problems when ever a change is made or something new added, and general feedback ( good or bad). Other wise its put out a OS, hope like hell it works and then service packs to fix all the faults.
So people can find new and unusual ways of breaking things.

Tony
21-03-2015, 11:55 AM
The latest build is now available - build 10041. If you have elected for fast updates it is coming via Windows update, with a slightly odd name; look for "10041" in the update list. I have it installed on one machine. Haven't had a chance to really look at it, but my first impression is that it is a bit faster. IE hung up on me though. It also looks like the double login avatar has disappeared.

On the other machine I haven't been able to install it because it is failing to complete an update that is earlier in the list - a driver update for a "high definition audio device". I can't find a way in Win10 to bypass individual updates - anyone got any ideas?

wainuitech
21-03-2015, 04:02 PM
Just downloaded the .esd file (The upgrade to 10041) converted it to a ISO, and now did a fresh install to a Virtual Machine.

Might have a play later :)

Tony
21-03-2015, 04:05 PM
Just downloaded the .esd file (The upgrade to 10041) converted it to a ISO, and now did a fresh install to a Virtual Machine.

Might have a play later :)Step by step instructions please - I can't get it to install via Windows update.

wainuitech
21-03-2015, 04:24 PM
Bend over and :p -------------- OOPS wrong forum :p LOL Only kidding.

Have a read: http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-clean-install-windows-10-technical-preview-build-10041 There are the .esd files linked as well, select the one(s) you want.

Download the ESD Decrypter - Unzip it and put all the contents as well as the .esd file in a folder, right click the Decrypter/ Run as da boss ( Administrator) a Window will open select option 1 and it should do the rest. When its done you you will have a ISO file.

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No need to use NTLite. If you scroll down to the bottom of the article theres a link to the default Product Key. A standard install may not need it, but the VM did.

Note:these are the upgrade files that upgrade from one version to another, so if MS use the same process to upgrade w7-W8.1 to 10, you can grab the files and do a fresh install I suspect.

Looks like they have "sorted" the problems ( read over secure) LAN settings not detecting other LAN computers. Once I changed the VM Network from default to Bridged it saw the whole LAN in an instant. Does seem faster as well.

Tony
21-03-2015, 04:33 PM
Thanks. I'll give it a go.

beetle
21-03-2015, 04:47 PM
Our work laptop running 7 died over a week ago....................we now have to wait and see what the higher up peeps decide what we get a new tower or a new laptop........may come down to $$ or who knows what................. but i said to my boss it is likely we will get windows 10.................she nearly threw a hissy fit.......... that piece of news destroyed her day. :( we are still waiting.

and last year we got gifted a IPAD, no body is able to use it properly, we all struggle as nobody at work is apple loving. even me who picks things up quite easily and quickly is like :( give me a tablet any day........

I am not looking forward to our new arrival...... :( and thats kinda sad cos i like gadgets lol

So i may become a more regular regular at PF1 again asking for help......... lol

wainuitech
21-03-2015, 09:10 PM
OOOPPPPS -- Just broke it :crying

wainuitech
21-03-2015, 09:56 PM
OMG they FINALLY have put in something thats been missing for years in the settings.

About time.

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Tony
21-03-2015, 10:11 PM
OMG they FINALLY have put in something thats been missing for years in the settings.

About time.

As long as somewhere is documented what those defaults are, so you know what you are in for.

I've got the .iso - thanks Wainui. I'll try the install on this PC tomorrow.

wainuitech
22-03-2015, 09:40 AM
As long as somewhere is documented what those defaults are, so you know what you are in for.

I've got the .iso - thanks Wainui. I'll try the install on this PC tomorrow. Sweet :thumbs: Personally I never like "upgrading" from an existing install, its always going to leave any previous faults behind.

Re the reset -- Guess its a case of setting back to how it was first installed.

Tony
22-03-2015, 11:54 AM
OK, Build 10041 is installed and this post is from chrome under Win10.

It was all fairly painless and, I think a little faster. My initial impression is that it is all a bit snappier. The double avatar on the logon screen has disappeared, but so has my logon picture - I just see the generic silhouette. It still shows the picture on the start menu and in my account details - just not at logon.

The other thing I have noticed is that the new install no longer takes over the multi-boot menu. At the first boot it showed the Win 8/10 style menu. When I chose Win7 it did not​ reboot before going to Win7. When I changed the default OS to Win 7 and rebooted, it showed me the old style boot menu, with Win7 as the default, although it had put Win10 first in the list.

I am beginning to really hate the bland white minimalist window design, and the thin almost invisible back and forward arrows and the design of the various icons. They look like a work-in-progress - let's hope that is what they are.

jcr1
23-03-2015, 07:42 AM
I installed it, about a month ago, as a virtual machine on my Proxmox server.
I haven't really played around with it that much; it is different, as far as I can tell, in some superficial aspects.
But I haven't had any trouble with the networking at all - mind you I use Remote Desktop to connect, from my win7 machine or Surface tablet (whether that makes a difference and being on a Linux server, or not, I don't know).
The other thing, that surprised me, was the sound works. Whereas it didn't when I tried a similar exercise with win8 (as a vm).
It must be able to use the sound on the host machines! That's good, as generally it's explained that there's all sorts of hoops to jump through, getting sound with desktop type vm's on a Proxmox server.

None of this probably is all that relevant to the thrust of this thread, but I felt it would be good to share

paulw
23-03-2015, 11:26 AM
Just installed this latest update on my work Laptop in a second partition. Took nearly 3 hours to update . When it finally finished the wifi is OK but the Ethernet port has gone AWOL and crashes when I try to access it's properties. Guess I'll have to wait for a driver update..

paulw
23-03-2015, 03:37 PM
Fixed the LAN port by deleting it and rebooting. It came back fine.. Now I get a Windows Defender Popup when the PC starts saying to check that my ESET viri checker is working and I notice that a program called DU Meter no longer works.. working. At least I now see one picture at login rather than two..

Tony
23-03-2015, 03:45 PM
At least I now see one picture at login rather than two..Are you actually seeing a picture? I'm just getting the (single) default silhouette.

paulw
24-03-2015, 07:40 AM
Are you actually seeing a picture? I'm just getting the (single) default silhouette.

That's what i was meaning. Still looks like I can't drag from the start menu to the desktop or from the task bar to the desktop..

dugimodo
24-03-2015, 12:21 PM
It hasn't shown up on the list for me yet, but I haven't set it for early updates (whatever that option is called I forget). I see however the end date for the preview is supposed to be in about 3 weeks so unless that changes I'm not sure it's worth worrying too much about updates now. I've been using it on my secondary machine for quite a while now and after some initial hiccups with the display driver it's been pretty painless and uneventful.

I have got an issue that I believe is to do with how storage spaces and WD green drives interact. I set up a 4 drive storage space using parity to give the same kind of redundancy as RAID 5 (I believe it's functionally equivalent but works a little differently). It is incredibly slow to write to but I read this is an issue with this particular type of storage space. It's not that much of an issue for me except when copying large amounts of data onto the drive. In daily usage you don't really notice.

What happens though is any time I access the storage space either directly or through a program there are large pauses where nothing happens before it bursts into life. I suspect the WD green drives might be going to sleep but it's much more noticeable in a storage space than on a single drive so I think there's more going on than just waking up a drive, maybe it has to wake up all 4 and verify everything is ok or something.

In any case if you want to play with storage spaces I recommend avoiding green drives and using either the mirrored array or the unprotected one as they don't appear to have the same write speed issue. Also they kind of hide this feature away, it's there in windows 8 too but you won't see it unless you go searching. It's like software RAID designed to be easier to set up and manage for home users and I kinda like it but probably won't persist with using it.

Tony
24-03-2015, 01:00 PM
It sounds like you are on the "slow" ring. You can change it by going to start/settings/backup and recovery/advanced options. But also see one of my earlier posts about problems with getting the update and Wainuitech's solution - which worked for me.

As far as the storage spaces issue is concerned it is worth repeating that this is a technical preview, so those sorts of issues shouldn't surprise you. The thing to do is to fire up the Feedback app and see if it has happened to anyone else and either "me too" it, or post new feedback of your own.

dugimodo
24-03-2015, 03:21 PM
Yeah I should do that, but I suspect it's just storage spaces and not windows 10 and probably acts the same under windows 8

Tony
31-03-2015, 03:36 PM
Just installed the new build - 10049, and in fact this post is being done via the project Spartan browser. The in-place upgrade went OK this time, but it took a very long time. The system seemed to go to sleep at the end of it and wouldn't wake up. I had to press the reset button before it would come back to life.

This build seems less snappy than the previous one - but this is after 30 minutes of use. It took over the multi-boot menu again, but EasyBCD under Win7 fixed that up.

Apparently there is not much else new to see, apart from some bug fixes. Also "If you have Virtual Machines hosted on your PC running Windows 10, you will want to move to the Slow ring and wait for the next build as this build breaks the ability to run VMs". That could impact some people here I think.

wainuitech
31-03-2015, 06:27 PM
Also "If you have Virtual Machines hosted on your PC running Windows 10, you will want to move to the Slow ring and wait for the next build as this build breaks the ability to run VMs". That could impact some people here I think.

That sounds like a challenge if I ever heard one LOL :lol::lol:

wainuitech
31-03-2015, 06:42 PM
How much do I win if I can get it working on a VM ?:D

Tony
31-03-2015, 08:02 PM
How much do I win if I can get it working on a VM ?:DIf anyone could, I bet it would be you. :). When I reread item, I think what it actually means is that you can't run a VM under this build.

R2x1
31-03-2015, 08:07 PM
How much do I win if I can get it working on a VM ?:D
A bag of lollies and a balloon, 2nd person to get it working gets two copies of W8xx, 3rd person gets 4 copies, 4th person gets W10. ;)

wainuitech
31-03-2015, 08:31 PM
If anyone could, I bet it would be you. :). When I reread item, I think what it actually means is that you can't run a VM under this build.

Welllllllllllll if they reckon it wont run in VM, then errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Wrong !!! If they mean you cant run a VM in 10049 -- I'll test that theory later.



Proof of course in Pictures - Other wise didn't happen -->

Base OS is Windows 7, running Windows 10 10049 in a VMware Workstation.

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Had to change the default desktop Pic other wise the build number was to hard to see.


Edited, just found this -- Looks like 10094 wont run Hyper-V.

Another deal-breaker would be if you're using Windows 10 as a host for Hyper-V virtual machines, because Build 10049 also breaks the ability to boot VMs, too.


Seems the reports are a little bit confusing.

Tony
31-03-2015, 08:44 PM
If they mean you cant run a VM in 10049 -- I'll test that theory later.That's how I read the item when I looked at it a second time.

Alex B
31-03-2015, 09:28 PM
This is how I read it too. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't run Hyper-V if your W10 install is Virtual anyway. Pretty sure you can't run a hypervisor in a hypervisor. Or maybe you can but not use Hardware VT.

wainuitech
01-04-2015, 09:44 AM
OPPPPPPSSS :lol::lol:

Maybe the reports should actaully investigate before reporting, either that or I've just done the impossible :nerd:

May not work in Hyper-V on W10 10049

BUT picture says it all. Windows 10 -- 10049 ( host OS) + VMWare Player running Windows 7.

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Tony
01-04-2015, 12:05 PM
OPPPPPPSSS :lol::lol:

Maybe the reports should actaully investigate before reporting, either that or I've just done the impossible :nerd:

May not work in Hyper-V on W10 10049

BUT picture says it all. Windows 10 -- 10049 ( host OS) + VMWare Player running Windows 7.
That's really interesting. My original quote was from "known probs in this build" from the windows insider app.

wainuitech
01-04-2015, 02:57 PM
That's really interesting. My original quote was from "known probs in this build" from the windows insider app. uit was more than likely referring to Winodws own hyper-V. (but it didn't say that in many places)

I uninstalled VM Player, and loaded in Hyper-V from Programs and features, it created the hyper-V OK, but when trying to make a VM it spat the dummy -- something about not being able to create due to problems with shared access (or something like that)

Tony
01-04-2015, 03:12 PM
Could well be.

paulw
02-04-2015, 08:21 AM
I just updated my work laptop to 10049. It took from 11am Wed to 9.00am today . Now it's come on line the video looks crap and is running like a snail.

wainuitech
02-04-2015, 08:26 AM
On the VM mine took about an hour to settle down and speed up. But it is still slower than the previous version.

On the fresh Install (found a ISO someone posted from the ESD download when upgrading - Made ISO's like this myself a few editions back from a Upgrade ) I haven't had it running long enough on a fresh install to speed up, only did it so I could see if VMWare player would run - and it does ;)

ISO downloads if anyone wants them: http://winaero.com/blog/download-windows-10-10049-iso-images/ Guess whose site stores them :xmouth:

Tony
02-04-2015, 08:33 AM
On the VM mine took about an hour to settle down and speed up. But it is still slower than the previous version.
+1

paulw
02-04-2015, 08:35 AM
Thanx for this info. I'm downloading the 64 bit ISO as we speak. Just have to figure where it's being downloaded to as I just did it without asking where.. Yep a surprize where it's stored.,. Will load it after easter when I get time..

wainuitech
02-04-2015, 08:38 AM
Thanx for this info. I'm downloading the 64 bit ISO as we speak. Just have to figure where it's being downloaded to as I just did it without asking where.. Yep a surprize where it's stored.,. Will load it after easter when I get time.. It downloads to a temp file first, then constructs its self and puts the ISO where you would normally store any downloads. Mine went to the Download folder (kind of make sense really) ;)

paulw
02-04-2015, 11:47 AM
Downloaded , blew away the old partitioned and reinstalled from the ISO. Speed back to normal and video drivers there this time . Now to setup Office gain. I'll see If I can find a beta of Office 2016..

wainuitech
02-04-2015, 11:56 AM
Downloaded , blew away the old partitioned and reinstalled from the ISO. Speed back to normal and video drivers there this time . Now to setup Office gain. I'll see If I can find a beta of Office 2016..


Office 2016 --- https://connect.microsoft.com/directory/non-feedback You need to jump through some hoops though, by signing up etc, its meant for businesses, but once you enter your details you'll get the download Page:
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looks like a online installer.

paulw
02-04-2015, 02:40 PM
Thanx Wainui.

yep lots of hoops. may leave it until the public beta comes out.

paulw
04-04-2015, 08:42 AM
Tried to update my home PCs version of Win 10. Was on 9926. It would download the update OK but gave an error 0x80070241 when trying to install which on searching the net says a corrupt file. Did the same when I tried to install 10041. I used the DVD from the link you gave me and the update went ahead and finished in about an hour. Now I've just gone to the Windows updates in settings and it's downloading 10049 update file again. Will be interesting to see if it updates it's self or realizes that it's already updated..

paulw
04-04-2015, 04:00 PM
It downloaded the update, Clicked the upgrade icon and then it decided it was up to date 16 minutes ago. Go figure..

Cicero
07-04-2015, 01:43 PM
Is it due for release imminently?

gary67
07-04-2015, 04:33 PM
About September I think

paulw
08-04-2015, 02:51 PM
One thing I can't seem to do in this build is change the IP address. It's currently running DHCP mode but when I click on the IPV4 the properties icon is crayed out. I have enabled the hidden admin account but the same there. Infact with the exception of the LAN card name they are all greyed out.

paulw
08-04-2015, 03:11 PM
That would also account why Wireshark can't see any LAN interface ports..

paulw
09-04-2015, 06:53 PM
Just checked my home PC. Change change from DHCP there as well..

wainuitech
09-04-2015, 08:22 PM
One thing I can't seem to do in this build is change the IP address. It's currently running DHCP mode but when I click on the IPV4 the properties icon is crayed out. I have enabled the hidden admin account but the same there. Infact with the exception of the LAN card name they are all greyed out.

Its a known result in build 10049. As quoted from Microsoft:


This is a known issue in 10049. The button is greyed out, and there's no easy way to get it back. This is NOT how the product will ship; we'll bring the button back as soon as possible.

If you need to set static IP address on build 10049, you can use the New-NetIPAddress cmdlet, or the netsh utility.

I'm sorry for the trouble this causes you. We don't mess with things without a good reason. In this case, we re-worked some plumbing so that installing network drivers is more reliable, and can be done offline into a VHD. Unfortunately that means we had to temporarily disable the IPv4 and IPv6 properties GUIs, since they weren't ready to work in the new engine yet.

Any commands to change it should possibly be done in power Shell, although a normal CMD may work.

Example: Set IP:

netsh interface ip set address name=”Local Area Connection” static 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.254

Set DNS

netsh interface ip set dns name=”Local Area Connection” static 192.168.0.250

paulw
10-04-2015, 08:42 AM
Thanx Wainui. Thought I was going nuts and a Google search didn't turn up anything.. Will wait for the next release..

dugimodo
10-04-2015, 09:17 AM
I see the expiry date for the preview has changed from this month to october. I saw it on a microsoft page somewhere but I don't have a link sorry.
I have been using 10 on a secondary machine for a while but I'm thinking I might buy windows 8 and install it rather than continue with preview as I think I may use this PC a bit more.

The last 2 updates have done weird things to the start menu and search functions and they are not working properly for me.
Clicking the windows button or pushing the key on the keyboard doesn't always work, in fact lately I don't think it's worked at all. Guess I should get on the feedback app if I can launch it.

I don't suppose anyone knows if a windows storage space created with windows 10 will be able to be used in windows 8 ?

paulw
10-04-2015, 12:48 PM
I have found that the last two updates have stopped you dragging short cuts from the start menu to the desktop..

wainuitech
13-04-2015, 08:09 PM
Well Well Well --- Wait for the adverts From Microsoft on your W7 - W8.1 PC closer or when W10 releases.


Microsoft is installing an update on Windows 7 and 8 machines which will push users to upgrade to Windows 10.
And heres part of the file, its contents say it all ;)

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R2x1
13-04-2015, 09:02 PM
For me, updates that nag will not be a problem as updates are disabled by willing choice. Admittedly, updates CAN be useful, but eclipses are more frequent than updates that do anything more than gradually slow your computer until you decide a new faster computer is needed, and M$ gets to sell another copy of windoze to whoever installs it. Perhaps update should be two words?
;)

gary67
14-04-2015, 08:14 AM
I still want to know if you can download an iso instead of the update and do a clean install for the same free price when it comes out?

wainuitech
14-04-2015, 08:20 AM
I still want to know if you can download an iso instead of the update and do a clean install for the same free price when it comes out? Bit of a hard question to answer as it hasn't happened yet. But going on past experiences its more than likely you will be able to.

The "upgrade" for previous versions allowed you to do it.

It could be like the latest version 10056 --Not officially released by MS as its a little unstable but its available, or you may be able to make a ISO from the downloaded ESD file.

gary67
14-04-2015, 09:10 AM
Bit of a hard question to answer as it hasn't happened yet. But going on past experiences its more than likely you will be able to.

The "upgrade" for previous versions allowed you to do it.

It could be like the latest version 10056 --Not officially released by MS as its a little unstable but its available, or you may be able to make a ISO from the downloaded ESD file.


Yeah I know MS have been a little short on detail so far, I will probably wait a couple of weeks to see what others say when the update comes out.

dugimodo
14-04-2015, 10:25 AM
Even when you install a new copy of windows from within a running existing copy of windows it normally gives you the option to do a clean install. It may actually need to be launched that way by default to verify you are upgrading but up until now it's always been possible to find a work around to do it.

A couple of weeks? has a release date been announced? Last time I was looking on the MS page it said the preview expired in september so I was not expecting windows 10 to release before then. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-faq-system-requirements-pc down the bottom.

Myself I've abandoned the preview last week and installed windows 8.1 I don't mind it at all and decided to wait for the official release before trying 10 again.

Tony
24-04-2015, 11:40 AM
New build available - 10061. As usual it took ages to download/upgrade, but it seems all good now.Main visual difference is black background for the taskbar and start menu, but you can customise that a bit I think - haven't looked at that yet. You can also resize the start menu! Start is also supposed to have transparency, but it didn't look very transparent to me. There are some other new features documented, and some known issues.

Tony
24-04-2015, 11:42 AM
OK, I lied - the start menu is transparent, but only just. Don't know if you can adjust that, or whether it is different with different colour schemes.

wainuitech
24-04-2015, 12:03 PM
As usual it took ages to download/upgrade Doing a direct download http://microsoft-news.com/download-windows-10-build-10061-iso/ getting the ESD file and going to convert it. Says 15 Minutes to download.

Just something else to do today now ;)

wainuitech
24-04-2015, 04:24 PM
So far I wont be changing, NOT till they fix the damn networking problem they have caused :mad::mad::mad::ban

W10 - can only see Windows 8 computers, wont see any servers even 2012R2, XP, Linux or Windows 7 PC's Cant even ping them, yet everything else can see everything just fine.

Do MS seriously think businesses all over the world are going to be very impressed that no one can see existing PC's / networks, W10 cant even see networked Servers to join them.

MICROSOFT fix this heap of crap !!!!!!!

Tony
24-04-2015, 07:10 PM
So far I wont be changing, NOT till they fix the damn networking problem they have caused :mad::mad::mad::ban

W10 - can only see Windows 8 computers, wont see any servers even 2012R2, XP, Linux or Windows 7 PC's Cant even ping them, yet everything else can see everything just fine.

Do MS seriously think businesses all over the world are going to be very impressed that no one can see existing PC's / networks, W10 cant even see networked Servers to join them.

MICROSOFT fix this heap of crap !!!!!!!I can see a Win7 laptop, but not a PC running Windows Hone Server.

wainuitech
24-04-2015, 07:21 PM
Heres what Mine can and cant see the ones it can see can access shared Folders.

Can See: This PC, Sons laptop, Sons PC, Customers PC that I was installing, all Windows 8.1, all on same workgroup.

What it cant see: Server 2012R2 X3 (got three of them) Windows 7 PC and W7 Laptop, Home Server, XP, NAS, Ubuntu 10.? any networked Printers or other networked devices.

All the other computers can see everything and each other. Previous versions could see everything once the reg hack was applied, but this time its not working.

Try to ping the ones it cant see either by name or IP address - times out, not available.

Tony
24-04-2015, 08:50 PM
That's a bummer. But it is still a preview.

pcuser42
24-04-2015, 09:21 PM
We know this one will be a bit painful but there is a bug with this build in which Win32 (desktop) apps won’t launch from the Start menu. The workaround is to use search to find and launch these apps and pin them to your taskbar for quick access.


The version of the Mail and Calendar apps included in this build (17.4008.42281.0) have a known issue that causes every typed letter to appear twice.

:D

wainuitech
24-04-2015, 09:38 PM
That's a bummer. But it is still a preview. yep it is, theres a strong rumor that the release date is July.
They appear to be breaking tasks with every build of things that used to work fine. Guess well wait and see.

The insider program is full of reports of things breaking.

One comment I just read says it all really:

Microsoft is very good in releasing products with a lot of problems that will be fixed with a sp1 after few months, so wait 6 months

wainuitech
25-04-2015, 02:28 PM
Okay, finally got it working :)

Ended up wiping the drive and reinstalling. This time its now seeing everything like it should on the LAN, all 15 Nodes( PC's Servers, Printers etc) Didn't do anything different than before.

BUT there is one noticeable difference- the overall performance has dropped, its noticeably slower this time. Spartan freezes, hence editing this post on a W8.1.

Tony
30-04-2015, 02:48 PM
Quote from Cnet : "The Technical Preview for Windows 10 ended on April 15.". So presumably now more tech preview builds and the next one will be some sort of consumer preview or a release candidate.

In the same article here (http://www.cnet.com/news/new-features-shown-on-windows-10/?tag=nl.e404&s_cid=e404&ttag=e404&ftag=CAD1acfa04) it also said that Aero Glass will be in Win10. I'm pleased about that as I can't stand the flat look of the current builds.

Tony
30-04-2015, 03:08 PM
And a new build - 10074 - called an "Insider Preview". Apparently it has Aero Glass. Can't wait. Downloading it now.

wainuitech
30-04-2015, 09:18 PM
And a new build - 10074 - called an "Insider Preview". Apparently it has Aero Glass. Can't wait. Downloading it now. Ditto - coming through quite quick as well :) averaging 3-5 MB/Sec -- lets see 9.15, hmmmmmmm should be able to VM it by bed time.

Tony
30-04-2015, 09:47 PM
It is all installed - seems fairly nippy. Still can't see the entire network. I did finally see an image on the logon screen. Can't see any sign of Aero despite the reports.

I downloaded the iso this time instead of doing it via Windows update, and installed in-place from the DVD. First time I've done that so I don't know for sure, but the initial process looked different from what I expected. Still ended up taking a fair time though.

wainuitech
30-04-2015, 10:06 PM
Currently installing to a VM (fresh install) from the ISO on the insider program http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

Nick G
30-04-2015, 11:41 PM
It's pretty nice. Some aspects - especially Project Spartan/Microsoft Edge - are almost insanely buggy though.

Mirddes
01-05-2015, 07:53 AM
there should always be a free testing version of windows. paid support for everything else.
free testing version should be the everything version, capable of doing anything.
it would be the go to OS for nerds and pirates alike, right now its not (linux and pirated windows are)

wainuitech
01-05-2015, 07:59 AM
there should always be a free testing version of windows. paid support for everything else.
free testing version should be the everything version, capable of doing anything.
it would be the go to OS for nerds and pirates alike, right now its not (linux and pirated windows are)There always is / are, has been for years. :)

BTW-- the answer as to where is actually in the statement you made - All perfectly legal ;) :)

Mirddes
01-05-2015, 09:45 AM
There always is / are, has been for years. :)

BTW-- the answer as to where is actually in the statement you made - All perfectly legal ;) :)

thank you microsoft for activation period

Tony
01-05-2015, 10:22 AM
I read somewhere that there have been two versions of Aero released, and you may get one or the other. I think I've got the third - no Aero at all. I can see no evidence of Aero glass on my system. Also the project Spartan browser has disappeared, both from the taskbar and the apps list, either as "Spartan" or "Edge". Except that if I click a link in Explorer for instance it opens. Weird. I was also lying about getting the account picture back - it is still a generic silhouette. I did get a picture when the install finished and it said "welcome back", and that is what fooled me.

wainuitech
01-05-2015, 10:28 AM
thank you microsoft for activation period Nope, its not the normal activation period you will get with software you may buy from a shop, its fully operational free trial software that lasts longer.

If you ever look at videos on youtube sometimes you can see they are actually using the free software for testing / demonstration purposes. :)

Nick G
01-05-2015, 10:34 AM
I've the the semi transparent aero. Not too bad, but I'm not the biggest fan of transparency.

Is it just me, or is the notification bar quite slow and useless at the moment?

Tony
01-05-2015, 10:48 AM
Is it just me, or is the notification bar quite slow and useless at the moment?It's not just you. It is slow, shows stuff you aren't interested in and the black colour scheme means you can't see the text at the top.

How about posting a screen shot of the Aero?

Tony
01-05-2015, 10:58 AM
This my desktop - no Aero! :(

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Lawrence
01-05-2015, 11:06 AM
This may help http://www.askvg.com/how-to-enable-aero-glass-transparency-with-blur-in-windows-10/

Mirddes
01-05-2015, 11:06 AM
It's the normal activation period you will get with software you may buy from a shop, its fully operational free trial software that lasts longer.

If you ever look at videos on youtube sometimes you can see they are actually using the free software for testing / demonstration purposes. :)

fixed that for you, i dunno who you thought you were disagreeing with.

Tony
01-05-2015, 11:48 AM
This may help http://www.askvg.com/how-to-enable-aero-glass-transparency-with-blur-in-windows-10/Made no difference. Makes me wonder whether Win10 thinks the PC graphics are not capable of Aero - which would be odd as I've just gone through a big upgrade.

Tony
01-05-2015, 11:51 AM
Interesting: I discovered my workgroup name had been changed back to the default. After I changed it I had to re-enable the automatic login (why?) When I saw the "normal" login screen it had my account picture, but the direct login (just says "Welcome") shows the silhouette.

Also although I can't access my PC with Windows Home Server via file explorer, I can through media connect.

wainuitech
01-05-2015, 12:34 PM
fixed that for you, i dunno who you thought you were disagreeing with. I was disagreeing with you.

You originally stated:

there should always be a free testing version of windows. paid support for everything else. free testing version should be the everything version, capable of doing anything.
it would be the go to OS for nerds and pirates alike, right now its not (linux and pirated windows are)
&
thank you microsoft for activation period

I advised that there IS free testing OS's as in bold in YOUR statement. Its not the normal 30 day activation period software, but fully operational testing software that you claim doesn't exist. ;)

Its not pirated, not Linux, its Windows, ranging from windows operating systems, to full server and many other types of software all completely free to anyone for testing purposes.

Just because you may not know about it, which going by the original comment you don't, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

wainuitech
01-05-2015, 12:50 PM
I use the testing OS's / software often, especially when mucking about or trying something out, that way you don't have to worry about the popup or phone messages saying you have activated this to many times, or cant activate as its been activated in the past etc. :)

Tony
01-05-2015, 01:07 PM
I just installed the latest build on another machine - much older and slower, and it went fine - the install was faster than I expected.

The most unexpected thing is on that machine I can see and access the entire network, whereas on the main machine I can't see my WHS PC. I just did an experiment, and I can ping the WHS IP address and get a response, but I can't ping the name. As I write this, the main machine also can't see the PC with the newly installed Win10 build on it, but the old machine can see the new one. I don't even know where to start to look for differences on configuration that might explain that.

This posted from the Edge browser.

Mirddes
01-05-2015, 08:46 PM
I was disagreeing with you.

You originally stated: &

I advised that there IS free testing OS's as in bold in YOUR statement. Its not the normal 30 day activation period software, but fully operational testing software that you claim doesn't exist. ;)

Its not pirated, not Linux, its Windows, ranging from windows operating systems, to full server and many other types of software all completely free to anyone for testing purposes.

Just because you may not know about it, which going by the original comment you don't, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



90 evaluation versions?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-8-1-enterprise

they are stable releases. not testing versions in a traditional software development sense as you have with the techpreviews.

are you talking about something else?

wainuitech
02-05-2015, 05:27 PM
90 evaluation versions?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-8-1-enterprise

they are stable releases. not testing versions in a traditional software development sense as you have with the techpreviews.

are you talking about something else? They are fully working Evaluation versions, which has functions that the normal OEM / Home edition doesn't have as well.

To quote Microsoft:
the Windows 8.1 Enterprise 90-day evaluation is a fully functional copy of Windows 8.1 Enterprise until it expires 90 days after the installation on the reference computer. While the original install lasts 90 days you can actually get 270 days usage out of it, (roughly 9 Months). So basically if you are testing something, if you dont have it finished within 9 months, simply reload it and away you go again.

Question would be asked whats taking 9 months to test :p

So as per the question
there should always be a free testing version of windows. paid support for everything else. free testing version should be the everything version, capable of doing anything. So there you go, Free testing /Evaluation software, all 100% legal, but with no support. If you wanted support, as per your statement then a person needs to pay for it. :)

Tony
02-05-2015, 05:45 PM
So as per the question So there you go, Free testing /Evaluation software, all 100% legal, but with no support. If you wanted support, as per your statement then a person needs to pay for it. :)

All very interesting, but has become somewhat OT as far as WIN 10 preview is concerned n'est ce pas?

wainuitech
02-05-2015, 07:06 PM
All very interesting, but has become somewhat OT as far as WIN 10 preview is concerned n'est ce pas? When W10 goes RTM, it will also be available as on Technet, so no difference really. The current W10 version IS there right now for anyone to download.

Microsoft has mentioned they intend to update the OS's more often, They have not said how often, so unless anyone can see the future no one can say when the testings / previews will be available. Microsoft will make them available when they want to. To say they dont exist is not right.

Tony
02-05-2015, 11:06 PM
When W10 goes RTM, it will also be available as on Technet, so no difference really. The current W10 version IS there right now for anyone to download.

Microsoft has mentioned they intend to update the OS's more often, They have not said how often, so unless anyone can see the future no one can say when the testings / previews will be available. Microsoft will make them available when they want to. To say they dont exist is not right.And this relates to my post how? :)

R2x1
03-05-2015, 08:47 AM
Relevance and W10 don't go too well together, unless it's for a page in a paint-by-numbers book ;)

wainuitech
03-05-2015, 10:16 AM
And this relates to my post how? :)tell us where you read it is one version of what n'est-ce pas means. So basically when Windows 10 goes RTM, there is no reason what so ever that MS wont make it available for testing purposes exactly like the previous versions available. Considering the current Tech Preview is there already.

The versions on Technet do change every so often with new updates etc, they just don't announce it. These "testing" versions are free and just like the previews are time limited.

If thats not what you actually were referring to then dont go using french terms which can mean many different things in different situations.

Giving up on these previews, waiting till the final comes out. 3 different installs, three different set of results , items missing and functions on one but not the other - its still to unstable.

Tony
03-05-2015, 10:46 AM
I'm sorry, I guess I was being a bit pretentious. Interesting interpretation of n'est ce pas - I've always understood it to mean "is that not so?", that is what all the online translations seem to say as well.

I'll keep on with the previews; I like to see how things develop. I've actually found it quite interesting to see how things have gone back and forth (and up and down) during the preview process. Goes back to my own days as a systems development programmer/analyst/project leader, I guess.

wainuitech
03-05-2015, 10:55 AM
Different languages when converted dont always give the same results. never mind. Bit like the instructions you get in some brown box item ( desks, shelves etc) converting to English from Japanese doesn't always work to well ;)

problems having so far -- simple tasks normally, putting This PC, network on the desktop. Finally found it on one install :waughh: Right click desktop/ Personalize/ Themes /classic settings/ Go to desktop Icon settings.

On one install its there on another after personalize its all blank. On another install the complete control panel was empty with the exception of user accounts and Admin tools :confused:

STILL cant see 3/4 of the networked computers, MS HAVE to get that sorted, can you just see millions of businesses world wide not being able to see their servers or other networked devices-- That will go down really well.

pcuser42
03-05-2015, 11:48 AM
STILL cant see 3/4 of the networked computers, MS HAVE to get that sorted, can you just see millions of businesses world wide not being able to see their servers or other networked devices-- That will go down really well.

Well it is in the disclaimer...


You might also have trouble connecting to home or corporate networks.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-faq-right-for-me-pc?ocid=tp2_site_faq_down

wainuitech
03-05-2015, 12:22 PM
Networking works fine if you upgrade from 9962 ( think it was) to the latest, its only on fresh installs.

Thats one Item they SHOULD have working. Many people that use the software even for testing ( Myself included - 90% is on servers, not on the actual PC) have networks which are used consistently and MS in their utter stupidity decide to beak a function thats used regularly ?

Theres plenty of complaints from people saying they cant do (what ever it is) because its broken again. Sure its still in development mode, but the main functions should still be working at this stage. Seems they are more concerned with that stupid Cortana and the glitz and all things that sparkle.

Never mind, as mentioned before, not going to bother till they have finished it, its obvious now as to what its going to look like, lets just hope they can actually manage to make it work.

Tony
01-06-2015, 03:37 PM
The invitation to upgrade has just appeared on my Win7 PC, inviting me to "reserve your free upgrade". I guess that means the final release must be getting fairly close. I certainly hope we are not going to be bombarded with this for months.

Also build 10130 is currently downloading on the WIN 10 machine.

More to come...

decibel
01-06-2015, 05:47 PM
The invitation to upgrade has just appeared on my Win7 PC, inviting me to "reserve your free upgrade". I guess that means the final release must be getting fairly close. I certainly hope we are not going to be bombarded with this for months.

And mine - just a small icon at the moment - I also hope they don't get too pushy.

wainuitech
01-06-2015, 06:36 PM
Just did a fresh install with 10125 last night after not bothering for a while with the other earlier builds to see if some things are working now. Thankfully they have now got the Networking back up and going.

Just downloading the ISO for 10130, so will put that in later after dinner.

I see you can have the start screen/ menu the same as per Windows 8.1 now. Personally I'll be using it in that mode when any upgrades on my own are done, the current start Menu with all the apps & programs as far as I'm concerned is a total mess.

No sign of any requests yet on any here to upgrade. Did read its rumored very strongly to be RTM in July.

R2x1
01-06-2015, 09:54 PM
This RTM of course is Rort The Multitude (or Mugs, or Masses . . . ) ;)

Tony
01-06-2015, 09:55 PM
I made my post at 15:37. By about 21:10 it had got to 65%, so I rebooted to Win7 to do some real work. I may try again tomorrow.

Speedy Gonzales
01-06-2015, 10:08 PM
Just got a reminder (a windows icon ion the taskbar on this) to upgrade to Win10. Where you put in your email.. So you'll know when it's ready

wainuitech
01-06-2015, 10:11 PM
Installed 10130 as a fresh install From a USB Drive, went in OK, runs quite a lot better then any of the previous versions That I've tried. The Bast-ards :D Have one option called Network Beta, but its still showing as "Coming soon" when opened :( some speculate as to exactly what it will do , and to what degree, obviously networking but maybe Easy access to VPN ???

Just tried to install Office 2016 Trial on it ------- Lets say that didn't go to well :(

Speedy Gonzales
01-06-2015, 10:19 PM
Looks like 10134 is out

Tony
01-06-2015, 10:23 PM
Looks like 10134 is outIt is still 10130 on the download website.

Speedy Gonzales
01-06-2015, 10:27 PM
It's somewhere then lol. (https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/605240532932169728)

Looks like win10 maybe / will be available from 29 July (http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-available-from-july-29)

bk T
02-06-2015, 05:57 AM
Do you guys get this Windows notification (http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-7-and-8-users-are-now-able-to-reserve-their-free-copy-of-windows-10) popping up for the upgrade?

I don't, although I do have KB3035583 installed.

Tony
02-06-2015, 06:48 AM
It's somewhere then lol. (https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/605240532932169728)

Looks like win10 maybe / will be available from 29 July (http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-available-from-july-29)I saw an article about that. Gabriel Aul is a Microsoftie who was talking about the next build.

Speedy Gonzales
02-06-2015, 08:24 AM
Do you guys get this Windows notification (http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-7-and-8-users-are-now-able-to-reserve-their-free-copy-of-windows-10) popping up for the upgrade?

I don't, although I do have KB3035583 installed.

Yup there's an icon on my taskbar at the mo bottom right. You have to click on it for that window to come up

It appeared last night

wainuitech
02-06-2015, 08:26 AM
I saw an article about that. Gabriel Aul is a Microsoftie who was talking about the next build. In that Twitter feed, I'm getting a couple of the problems as well:

1. memory error when shutting/restarting or sign out, etc...
2.may it causes quite high CPU and GPU tempurature? I guess...
3. Several other bugs as well, some functions only work some of the times. The new browser works only when it wants to, and on certain sites.


#2, the laptop I have it on, never gets very hot normally, but with this build its getting so hot it shuts down to save its self :illogical

Its still a long way off being ready.

gary67
02-06-2015, 08:29 AM
I have the icon too

bk T
02-06-2015, 10:27 AM
Yeah, the icon appeared on the bottom right corner just now when I turned ON my PC!

Tony
02-06-2015, 10:32 AM
Yeah, the icon appeared on the bottom right corner just now when I turned ON my PC!Universal I think if you have a qualifying machine.

Tony
02-06-2015, 11:02 AM
I installed the new build on one machine, via the ISO. Couple of vaguely interesting things:

The desktop says "build 10074" which is way old. Don't understand that.
It insisted on doing a clean install - wouldn't let me keep apps and settings.

Anyone else experiencing this?

nmercer
02-06-2015, 11:38 AM
I installed the new build on one machine, via the ISO. Couple of vaguely interesting things:

The desktop says "build 10074" which is way old. Don't understand that.
It insisted on doing a clean install - wouldn't let me keep apps and settings.

Anyone else experiencing this?

10074 is the latest ISO available

if 10130 goes to Windows Insiders slow ring, then there will be a new ISO released

You need to upgrade from inside Windows to be offered the upgrade, you booted off the ISO by the sounds of it

Tony
02-06-2015, 01:30 PM
10074 is the latest ISO available

if 10130 goes to Windows Insiders slow ring, then there will be a new ISO released

You need to upgrade from inside Windows to be offered the upgrade, you booted off the ISO by the sounds of itLooks like you are right. I did install from an iso. The new install had updates set to "slow". When I changed it to fast it found the latest build and is downloading it. I'm confused though (not unusual), Wainuitech a few posts ago managed to install the new build from a flash drive, from which I inferred an iso was available. So where did it come from?

wainuitech
02-06-2015, 03:43 PM
Looks like you are right. I did install from an iso. The new install had updates set to "slow". When I changed it to fast it found the latest build and is downloading it. I'm confused though (not unusual), Wainuitech a few posts ago managed to install the new build from a flash drive, from which I inferred an iso was available. So where did it come from? :nerd: Theres a way to make the upgrade that's downloaded to the Hidden ESD Folder into a ISO file. The ESD is a hidden Folder on the C Drive.

How is even posted on the Microsoft Forum as well as several other places like Sevenforums http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/instructions-create-a-bootable-iso-file-using-esd/d2768b51-221a-436e-af4e-d3b9118a8864 Theres several other ways to do it as well, doing a goggle search for ESD to ISO will bring up different ways.

I also found a site that someone is onto it, and makes them right away. BUT I have also done it myself after an upgrade and its worked fine mostly. I checked the MD5 hash tags from known data bases for the versions if downloading from the site and the same version I made and they are the same.

wainuitech
02-06-2015, 03:57 PM
Damn timer;) . Example of the MD5 for 10130 Drop this into Google f0142823c9c9f8a6b4f1eb5c4f4417cd

Tony
02-06-2015, 04:42 PM
Thanks Wainui. Useful for future reference. I've actually managed the update through Windows Update in the end, so it is all sweet now.

In this build:
It is recognising all my network.
They've finally fixed the disappearing scrollbar problem - woohoo!
Still work to do to totally integrate control panel into settings, e.g. there is no settings equivalent (that I have found) to "system" in control panel.
It does all seem crisper.
Still don't like the black background to start.

wainuitech
02-06-2015, 05:49 PM
The "System" is there, as per Windows 8.1.

Two ways to get to it.
1. Right click the start button / Control Panel, make sure you are showing Large ( or Small Icons from the drop down Box top Right) System is listed.

2. Click Start / Settings / click the Personalization Background,Lock Screen, Colors Button - On Left / Themes - Desktop Icon Settings - Tick Computer ( I do users Files and Network as well) --- Go to Desktop / Right Click This PC = System

To change the Background color in the start Menu -- From Settings - Personalization Background,Lock Screen, Colors Button --- On Left / Colors - ( on Right) Turn Off Automatically pick a Accent Color from my Background --- A Color chart appears, select the color you want.

Cant see how to make it more transparent yet ( or if you can). But you can make it look real Pretty LOL :wub:lol:

6503

To make the Start Screen as per W8.1 From Personalization Background,Lock Screen ( ya de ya) on Left, Start, Start behaviors -- Use Full Screen Start when in the Desktop = ON. When you press the start button it goes full screen, to get the "subMenu" press the Hamburger List Top Left ( someone called it that) Looks like horizontal Bars - The menu pops open. You can also click the Notification Icon bottom Right and select Tablet mode, but mines playing up and locks up :(

Tony
02-06-2015, 05:56 PM
Never used 8.1, which i probably why I couldn't find it. It does mean it could be a bit of a hassle for people coming directly from Win7. I'll check it out next time I'm in Win10.

I think that's as transparent as it gets. Can't see the point myself, but your desktop does look good. I'll try changing my start background to make it less gloomy.

wainuitech
02-06-2015, 06:04 PM
#^$%%)*& :mad: The laptops just completely locked and shut down again after roughly 15 minutes, so damn hot the thermal safety has kicked in on the CPU and Graphics shuts down. Only done it on this Build. :(

Edited: Just rebooted and to find system - even easier, right click the start button, system is listed in the top box.

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Tony
02-06-2015, 09:11 PM
Yes, much easier. It hadn't occurred to me to right-click on start - not habitual behaviour for me.

wainuitech
02-06-2015, 10:04 PM
Just found this -- For people asking about installing /downloading a W10 ISO when its released http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/how-to-upgrade-from-previous-versions-of-windows (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/how-to-upgrade-from-previous-versions-of-windows/31722b30-1da9-42bb-b331-0edc4649bf43)

Cicero
03-06-2015, 09:33 AM
I see 29th of July has been mentioned .

dugimodo
03-06-2015, 09:58 AM
Yes, much easier. It hadn't occurred to me to right-click on start - not habitual behaviour for me.

It's a useful habit to learn many functions are much more quickly accessed that way, I use it to get to device manger and disk management for example.
Many of the options have been there since before they added an actual button too, you just had to use the bottom left corner which was much less obvious.

1101
03-06-2015, 10:58 AM
Also, its usefull to learn a few of the new Win+key shortcuts (the flag key, between ctrl & alt) . Makes navigation much quicker .
Win+I , Win+C, Win+R

paulw
03-06-2015, 11:33 AM
My work laptop is doing the update to 10130 at present so it will take about 3 hours + if it's like previous updates..

nmercer
03-06-2015, 12:10 PM
and Windows key + X

Tony
03-06-2015, 12:54 PM
It's a useful habit to learn many functions are much more quickly accessed that wayI use right click all the time - just not (till now) on the start button.

icow
03-06-2015, 04:27 PM
Clean installs confirmed: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9334/microsoft-confirms-you-can-clean-install-windows-10-after-upgrading

wainuitech
05-06-2015, 09:51 AM
Oh dear -- Broke it again 10130 :D I know what broke it, and how to fix, but MS need to sort out the **** in the options.

Had quite a few calls from customers since the "reserve icon" came out asking if its wise to upgrade (or downgrade as it is currently) to W10 when it comes out.

Current advise is NO!!!

If the previews are anything to go by, leave it for 6 months till MS sort out and there's lots of them- faults. Only have to look at the insider program to see its got quite a few. :( Not a good look for a OS that they are trying to force out at this stage.

Even the powershell fix didn't work :(


Get-AppXPackage -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}

Tony
05-06-2015, 10:13 AM
I arranged for the following to be sent round our neighbourhood news email list:


Info for the non-geeks amongst us:

If you run Windows 7 or Windows 8 on your PC, you have probably noticed a new icon appearing at the right end of the taskbar. Hover over it and it says “Get Windows 10” and if you click on it you get a slideshow telling you about the free upgrade to Windows 10.


Things you might like to know:

• You can safely ignore the whole thing if you want.
• Windows 10 will be released on July 29, and it is a free upgrade for the next year for Windows 7 and 8 users with legitimate copies of Windows. There is no Windows 9.
• It will be perfectly fine to hold off choosing the upgrade until the dust settles around the new version and any immediate issues have been fixed.
• If you click the “reserve your free upgrade” button, all that does is slot your PC into the queue for upgrading, and when the time comes it will either do the whole thing automatically or advise you and wait for you to initiate it, depending on the settings on your PC. Nothing will happen until after July 29.
• I don’t know what will happen if you don’t want to upgrade, but I suspect the invitations may get a bit more insistent after July 29. I don’t know of any way to remove the reminders, but I’m sure someone will publish one at some point.
• Windows 10 looks a lot like Windows 8, but with a lot more flexibility and a proper start menu again, and you aren’t forced to use the Windows 8 style desktop unless you want to.

Hope this clears up some of the questions you might have.



I'm hoping it will forestall some of the calls I might have otherwise got. :)

wainuitech
05-06-2015, 10:32 AM
Good letter Tony :)

To answer one of the points -- "I don’t know of any way to remove the reminders, but I’m sure someone will publish one at some point.'

Go into windows update, on left click on "View Update history"Top of the page click the link "View Installed updates" in search, Search for KB3035583, click it, then uninstall it. Re run Windows updates manually, when KB3035583 shows again, make sure its ticked , then right click/ hide update. KB3035583 is whats prompting for W10, by removing it you wont get the prompt, if you dont hide it, then it will come back through again.

1101
05-06-2015, 10:47 AM
One other issue.
If you 'reserve' your win10, then at some stage it will automatically predownload the 3Gb Win10 .
Now, most arnt going to want that slowing dowing their allready slow internet connections, imagine homes with 4 or 5 laptops/PC's.

Pitty any poor sod using expensive & slow(ish) 3G/vodem connections for their laptops internet & having that try & download, fail & retry continously :-0
Could end up with a huge ph bill for excess data charges

Ive reserved, but I'll uninstall that update (above) as I want a bit control on when it downloads. I'd rather just download the ISO manually .

Tony
05-06-2015, 04:07 PM
Good letter Tony :)

To answer one of the points -- "I don’t know of any way to remove the reminders, but I’m sure someone will publish one at some point.'

Go into windows update, on left click on "View Update history"Top of the page click the link "View Installed updates" in search, Search for KB3035583, click it, then uninstall it. Re run Windows updates manually, when KB3035583 shows again, make sure its ticked , then right click/ hide update. KB3035583 is whats prompting for W10, by removing it you wont get the prompt, if you dont hide it, then it will come back through again. Thanks Wainui.
I now recall seeing something about KB3035583. However I think if I'd included that info in the email a lot of eyes would have glazed over before the end of the first sentence. I'm still betting someone will publish a script or something that will do the job in one hit.

dugimodo
05-06-2015, 04:26 PM
I use right click all the time - just not (till now) on the start button.

I was specifically referring to right clicking the start button not in general :)
That's where you'll find the two items I mentioned.

nmercer
07-06-2015, 01:33 PM
some machines will be less than 3Gb

Detects mobile broadband connections as metered connection and won't download unless you say so

you will also be able to download the ISO file to install


One other issue.
If you 'reserve' your win10, then at some stage it will automatically predownload the 3Gb Win10 .
Now, most arnt going to want that slowing dowing their allready slow internet connections, imagine homes with 4 or 5 laptops/PC's.

Pitty any poor sod using expensive & slow(ish) 3G/vodem connections for their laptops internet & having that try & download, fail & retry continously :-0
Could end up with a huge ph bill for excess data charges

Ive reserved, but I'll uninstall that update (above) as I want a bit control on when it downloads. I'd rather just download the ISO manually .

wainuitech
07-06-2015, 02:24 PM
Looks like they have changed / fixed a few problems in Build 10134

The start menu has changed slightly, BUT in a good way :thumbs: Meaning you can now hide those damn hardly used Apps. The Start Screen off the Main Start can now be dragged to a different size, still not transparent enough though, that would be a good option to allow a person to change to suit their likes. ( no doubt some third party program will do it anyway)

Now to see If I can break it again like last time :devil

Edited: YEP ; Broke it again, what's the point in having option to customize the start menu if it breaks the start menu when selecting :groan: They had better fix that.

The Shutdown Error is still there :(

And Cortana is still not working, stupid ***** wont talk or look things up by voice commands.

Looks like MS have still got A LOT of bugs to sort out. :crying

rumpty
14-06-2015, 06:08 PM
I've taken the plunge, downloaded the 10130 iso of W10, and installed it. Disconnected the computer from the internet until a few "send this, send that to us" options were changed, and then set up my networking. W10 immediately downloaded about 220MB of stuff, among which was an Nvidia driver, I think, looking at device manager.

All was going well, generally, but looking in device manager wasn't a good idea, because although I hadn't changed anything, but probably ticked an "OK" somewhere, it thought a change had been made somewhere, and wanted a computer restart, which I did. End of story. I got the blue Window icon for a while, but then a black screen, forever.

I tried some repair options offered in a reboot of the installation DVD, but no luck resurrecting W10.

rumpty
21-06-2015, 04:15 PM
Regarding my comment above, I had overlooked that the installation of the Nvidia driver meant that the other output of the video card had been switched to, hence I lost my display. All sorted out evenually, and testing continues here.

Is the 10130 release sort of automatically upgraded via the internet? I see that there are so-called "leaked" versions with a higher number out there, but the Insider Testing program still has 10130 for download.

Tony
21-06-2015, 04:19 PM
Is the 10130 release sort of automatically upgraded via the internet? I see that there are so-called "leaked" versions with a higher number out there, but the Insider Testing program still has 10130 for download.New builds come via Windows update. I've seen mentions of a leaked version 10136 but everyone says you'd have to be a complete masochist to try it.

bk T
21-06-2015, 05:03 PM
Just did a routine Windows Update last night and when I turned ON my PC this morning, I noticed that the Win10 Reserve icon has disappeared!

Checked for Windows Update again, this time it says that my Windows is fully updated and a a big 'Windows 10 Upgrade Reserved."

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wainuitech
21-06-2015, 05:16 PM
New builds come via Windows update. I've seen mentions of a leaked version 10136 but everyone says you'd have to be a complete masochist to try it. 136 Phfff :p

Latest leaked build is 10147 -- Quite a few cosmetic changes as well. Makes me wonder how on purpose these "leaked Builds" actually are ;)

This build asks for a product key if its a fresh install ( others didn't) , but if upgrading from a previous version it picks up the already installed key.

You can also select whether to install Windows 10 Pro or Windows 10 Home.

Tony
21-06-2015, 05:44 PM
Just did a routine Windows Update last night and when I turned ON my PC this morning, I noticed that the Win10 Reserve icon has disappeared!

Checked for Windows Update again, this time it says that my Windows is fully updated and a a big 'Windows 10 Upgrade Reserved."

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I just realized my icon has disappeared as well, but the windows update window says "reserve your free upgrade", so maybe you clicked something without realizing?

wainuitech
21-06-2015, 05:58 PM
There was a Update a couple of days ago, something relating to system preparation, after that installed on all but three of the PC's here the reserve Windows 10 Icon has disappeared ( and they are all legit). You can get it back if you want.

nmercer
21-06-2015, 06:08 PM
136 Phfff :p

Latest leaked build is 10147 -- Quite a few cosmetic changes as well. Makes me wonder how on purpose these "leaked Builds" actually are ;)

This build asks for a product key if its a fresh install ( others didn't) , but if upgrading from a previous version it picks up the already installed key.

You can also select whether to install Windows 10 Pro or Windows 10 Home.

Microsoft is not leaking these builds

at the end of the day the internal builds that Microsoft are testing are all coming out thru the Windows Insiders program, so you just need some patience

You can imagine the uproar if Microsoft released builds that are not ready for wide scale usage testing

Tony
21-06-2015, 06:10 PM
...You can get it back if you want.and why would I want it? :)

wainuitech
21-06-2015, 06:38 PM
Microsoft is not leaking these builds

at the end of the day the internal builds that Microsoft are testing are all coming out thru the Windows Insiders program, so you just need some patience

You can imagine the uproar if Microsoft released builds that are not ready for wide scale usage testing

Last line, wont be much of an uproar at all. Why ? Simple -- These "leaks" are unofficial releases and who ever has them knows this.

But even saying that -- the last "official" offering is full of faults, Its dead easy to break the start menu completely by simply selecting one setting that is available.

As for the unofficial release:


Windows 10 build 10147 is now available for download if you know where to look, but keep in mind that, since it is an unofficial release, Microsoft won’t provide any kind of support or assistance in case you come across bugs or performance issues.

This build got leaked from China and appears to come from a Microsoft partner. It is only available in 64-bit version for the time being.

Windows 10 Build 10147 has the build string of 10147.0.150613-1600, indicating it’s compiled on June 13th, 2015, barely a week ago, making it the fastest leak after a build was signed off by Microsoft.

wainuitech
21-06-2015, 06:42 PM
and why would I want it? :) In case you wanted to reserve it. Personally I wont be upgrading ANY of the day to day usage PC's for at least 3 months. There will still be faults on the 29th.

One in particular I'll be looking for -- How easy it is to break the start menu -- When it breaks its totally useless, wont open at all.( only right clicking does as per 8.1)

Tony
21-06-2015, 06:55 PM
In case you wanted to reserve it. Personally I wont be upgrading ANY of the day to day usage PC's for at least 3 months. There will still be faults on the 29th.You can still reserve it via the windows update window. Like you I won't be upgrading my main machine on July 29 - just the version I've been using for evaluation.

wainuitech
21-06-2015, 10:29 PM
Further relating to the Leaked 10147 build, it obviously has the making of how MS will be handling activation and fresh installing from a ISO.

From the MS insider program: windows-10147-signs-of-product-keys-and-microsoft (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/windows-10147-signs-of-product-keys-and-microsoft/c615f84b-9fd4-4279-9e00-beeccf73ad34)

gary67
22-06-2015, 06:50 AM
yay finally an answer of sorts to the main question

Tony
26-06-2015, 06:37 AM
The "Get Windows 10" icon in the notification area is back - and also the Windows update page has changed to push it more prominently as well.

bk T
26-06-2015, 08:31 AM
MS is still in the 'experimenting' stage! LOL

Tony
26-06-2015, 08:48 AM
MS is still in the 'experimenting' stage! LOLI don't think they ever stop. What I'm talking about is on Win7 of course.

wainuitech
26-06-2015, 09:00 AM
Windows 10 so some are saying is basically ready, just sorting out some bugs etc.

At the end of the day, I'll be putting it on a workshop PC right away, but not on any office computers till at least a month or three. First thing I'll be doing is checking to see if the start menu breakage is still there or been fixed.

Nathan posted it will all come together by the RTM Hmmmmmmm

W10 so we are told is ongoing, meaning there will be new or currently disabled functions activated as time goes on, so that's where the insider program for testing any new additions will be handy. cant run the latest "Official" build on a laptop, it causes it to overheat and shut down. The leaked build 147 runs much better and stable.

Somethings in the wind for sure, to quote from the insider program: (I've just had the message as well)



One of the MS Support Engineers mentioned that a new build was to be out next week.

On the 27th there is going to be a big maintenance deal all day and that may be when they are getting ready.



The "Get Windows 10" icon in the notification area is back On two of my computers, one minute its there, then its gone again the following day. comes and goes at its own free will by the looks ;) Ones a fresh install, nothing on it but Windows 8.1.

Tony
26-06-2015, 09:21 AM
So what do you have to do to break the start menu? I'd like to give it a go to see if it applies here as well.
Like you I won't be updating my main environment for a while, but I will upgrade the Preview I have running as a dual boot on the same hardware.

wainuitech
26-06-2015, 09:54 AM
So what do you have to do to break the start menu? I'd like to give it a go to see if it applies here as well.
Like you I won't be updating my main environment for a while, but I will upgrade the Preview I have running as a dual boot on the same hardware.

To break the start menu currently simply turn off the recent items.

Click start / Settings - Personalization - On Left - Start, under customize list turn off the three settings. as shown Below:
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These as they state are only recent activity and suggestions. I know lots of people that dont give a damn what was recently opened and dont want it displayed.

Now reboot - On startup, the start menu hasn't worked at all (Right click does)

To put it back to a working menu, bottom Right click on the notification Icon - All Settings and turn them back on -- Start menu now works.

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This has happened on every build lately. :( Huge bug that needs fixing - Whats the point of having options to turn off recent opened items if it breaks everything.

Tony
26-06-2015, 10:46 AM
Yup - I get exactly the same effect. It seems strange that it hasn't been fixed.

Tony
26-06-2015, 10:59 AM
Hallelujah! I've just noticed that you can now click on a letter heading in "all apps" and get a clickable array of the alphabet, a la windows phone. I (and I suspect many other users) suggested that months ago. In what build did it first appear?

wainuitech
30-06-2015, 03:56 PM
Well just downloaded from the insider program the latest Build, 10158.

THEY FINALLY FIXED the start menu .

But broken Edge & IE :(

Interesting only some sites load in both Edge and IE, others Says page cant be found, Google is one, yet google and the other sites are working fine on all other computers.

Bing half works, downloaded Pale Moon, same thing, only some sites will load.

wainuitech
30-06-2015, 03:56 PM
oops double posted --- Edge froze :(

Hope this is not the version MS are shipping out to OEMs.

KarameaDave
30-06-2015, 05:27 PM
Ewww....

Tony
30-06-2015, 09:24 PM
I was too quick this morning and checked for the update too early. Downloaded and installed now. Although it still seems to take a while to load and close down, it seems crisper once it is going. Got my logon picture showing at last! Insider hub seems to have completely disappeared from the start tiles and the start menu.

wainuitech
30-06-2015, 10:17 PM
Yep its been removed on purpose, something to do with preparation for RTM - you can get it back apparently - Have not tried --Heres how http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-insider-hub-will-no-longer-be-pre-installed-heres-how-you-can-get-it-back

Mirddes
30-06-2015, 10:21 PM
what is the latest build?

nmercer
01-07-2015, 07:04 AM
10158 is the latest publically available build on Windows Insiders Fast

nmercer
01-07-2015, 10:25 AM
Windows 10 build 10159 now available to Windows Insiders on Fast

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/30/whoa-another-pc-build

paulw
01-07-2015, 11:01 AM
The good news now is that I can drag from the start menu to the desktop. The bad news is that my Office 2016 preview expiry date has gone from 130 days to 29 days..

Tony
01-07-2015, 12:28 PM
Hmmm... tried to go to build 10159 on the main PC and it stalled and told me I had a problem with insider builds and "needed me to do some things to fix it" but didn't tell me what to do and gave me no way forward. I've reverted to build 10130 atm and I'm waiting for the other PC to finish upgrading before trying again. I've also now set things to get upgrades from a local PC on the network, so it will be interesting to see if that works.

paulw
01-07-2015, 01:49 PM
10158 is the latest publically available build on Windows Insiders Fast

That didn't last long . Installed it this morning and now it's installed 10159..

rumpty
01-07-2015, 01:50 PM
Windows 10 build 10159 now available to Windows Insiders on Fast

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/30/whoa-another-pc-build

Oh No! Another 3GB download?

Tony
01-07-2015, 02:59 PM
Worked second time round. Also got the update from the other PC I think. It certainly was quicker "downloading" and starting the install than on previous occasions.

wainuitech
01-07-2015, 03:57 PM
Mine sat on 0% for close to 1 1/2 hours, wouldn't budge :(

Fixed the problem then it flew down.

wainuitech
01-07-2015, 04:26 PM
Just remember to run Disk Cleanup :D Recovered 18GB worth of space from old installs and the downloaded upgrade. Keep in mind if you want to make a ISO image first do it before removing the downloaded Upgrade folder. :) Which is on the C drive named $Windows.~BT

mzee
01-07-2015, 07:35 PM
I have removed W10. Its just W7 with a lot of garbage in it. Its the fashion these days. If you buy a smart phone it is so full of unwanted apps etc that it takes ages to learn how to use it.

rumpty
01-07-2015, 08:35 PM
Does the Insider Program use peer to peer to distribute W10? 10159 is presently downloading here, but sometimes the uploading is going flat out and the d/l data drops to virtually nothing.