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pcuser42
16-07-2014, 04:53 PM
Is there any consensus on what the best free antivirus is? A friend has obtained a second hand Windows XP laptop, and whatever antivirus was on there was removed.

wratterus
16-07-2014, 05:06 PM
On XP Avast is probably best, just make sure to untick all the crap during install.

Speedy Gonzales
16-07-2014, 05:07 PM
Wouldnt bother with one. Just dont go to dodgy sites / download dodgy files. Used to have one on the netbook, it took twice as long to boot into it. So killed it. Dont use anything on the desktops either besides Windows defender

pcuser42
16-07-2014, 05:10 PM
Wouldnt bother with one.

I'm not sure that's an option on XP...

Speedy Gonzales
16-07-2014, 05:12 PM
Its not going to die without one. Altho cant do much about it when there are no more updates for it. Dont think an AV program is going to fix something that can no longer get updates

Bryan
16-07-2014, 05:23 PM
Just backup the HDD to and external source. In the event of an attack just restore.

Winston001
16-07-2014, 09:46 PM
Wainui recommends Windows 360 Internet Security which is what I use for 8.1.

Apart from that Eset Nod 32 is recognised as the best paid option.

autechre
17-07-2014, 09:48 AM
for a free one, I'd go with Avast too. Avira was good, but had too many annoying popups for my liking.

BitDefender is also good but the free version has no configuration options whatsoever.

wainuitech
17-07-2014, 09:56 AM
Wainui recommends Windows 360 Internet Security which is what I use for 8.1.

Apart from that Eset Nod 32 is recognised as the best paid option. That was OK at the time , but these days I dont put any Free AV's on, I put on a Trial of nod32 if they cant make up their minds - then advise once the trials up, its up to them if they want to buy it or not. Some remove Nod32, then put on a free one, Often AVG :yuck: then usually within a month or two I'm back removing all sorts of Crap again.

Got a customers w8 computer here now, they used the inbuilt AV from MS, as they didn't want to buy an AV -- Guess what got trashed after downloading "stuff" via torrent programs -- reinstalling it now as the registry was to badly damaged to repair.

Some of the Free AV's bug the hell out of the Person to buy the paid options. Worse than infections in some cases ;)

1101
17-07-2014, 10:16 AM
Avast

Do a 'custom install'
Untick everything except File & email av (ie untick all the options in the middle box)

1101
17-07-2014, 10:30 AM
Just what are the specs of this old laptop anyway. If its quite slow , then modern AV just may kill it , speed wise.
Saying that, there are still some pretty quick , old XP laptops out there (many arnt though)

pcuser42
17-07-2014, 11:00 AM
Apparently said laptop was only two years old (why it didn't have Windows 7 is a mystery) - IIRC it had some form of Core 2 Duo and 2GB RAM, so not sluggish.

ruup
17-07-2014, 05:27 PM
Check out Avast, it's good and the price is right. I did a search of reviews... this is the first one,Check it out and try it,I doubt that you'll be disappointed.Cheers
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/software/387166/avast-free-antivirus-2014

gary67
17-07-2014, 05:29 PM
If it's xp put it on nod32 don't take risks

Chilling_Silence
17-07-2014, 05:39 PM
I agree, it's not worth pissing around for the cost of a few bucks a year for NOd32. It'll save you way more than it's worth in lost time both fixing it when it gets infected and the slow-down from the free AV's.

Just get them to bite the bullet and get it, it's not expensive.

wratterus
17-07-2014, 06:00 PM
Dead right.

wainuitech
17-07-2014, 06:10 PM
Check out Avast, it's good and the price is right. I did a search of reviews... this is the first one,Check it out and try it,I doubt that you'll be disappointed.Cheers
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/software/387166/avast-free-antivirus-2014 Good for a laugh , its months out of date -- 21 Feb 2014 -- you cant trust those types of reviews, never can never will. The REAL review is what Tech see all the time on peoples computers. Avast -- Tell the person whos computer I had to reinstall last week that Avast is good - it was reinstalled due to infections making a total mess of the whole system to the point it couldn't boot.

Once I got it booting no surprise the Antivirus was damaged to a non working state.

I slaved their drive to recover their data, the workshop PC that has Nod on went nuts stopping infections even before setting a scan going.

blanco
17-07-2014, 07:57 PM
If you decide to install Avast I recommend that you set "updates" to manual
to avoid the too frequent checking for new definitions which can be a bother
when busy otherwise online. This will put a warning symbol on the taskbar icon
but you can ignore it as the program will otherwise be fully protective.
I manually update avast weekly.

autechre
18-07-2014, 10:44 AM
If you decide to install Avast I recommend that you set "updates" to manual
to avoid the too frequent checking for new definitions

This will put a warning symbol on the taskbar icon

You can turn that notification on the icon off too... one thing I like about Avast is its array of options :D

I usually update once or twice a week too.

1101
18-07-2014, 02:08 PM
Apparently said laptop was only two years old (why it didn't have Windows 7 is a mystery) - IIRC it had some form of Core 2 Duo and 2GB RAM, so not sluggish.

2 Years old...
It MUST have a Win7 License. Possibly came bundled with a Win7 restore CD
there were no XP licenses 2 years ago. Just downgrades
First thing I would suggest is load Win7 on it.

If its still on XP, you cant be that serious about security

NOD32 is NOT the panacea that so many claim
I have seen many NOD32 PC's get infected (we were a NOD32 reseller)
Its often user stupidity that gets PC's infected, no AV can prevent that.

pcuser42
18-07-2014, 02:14 PM
If its still on XP, you cant be that serious about security

I was considering suggesting an upgrade, but that would have done nothing but confuse said friend :p

wainuitech
18-07-2014, 05:03 PM
2 Years old...
It MUST have a Win7 License. Possibly came bundled with a Win7 restore CD
there were no XP licenses 2 years ago. Just downgrades
First thing I would suggest is load Win7 on it.

If its still on XP, you cant be that serious about security

NOD32 is NOT the panacea that so many claim
I have seen many NOD32 PC's get infected (we were a NOD32 reseller)
Its often user stupidity that gets PC's infected, no AV can prevent that.Was thinking that, Xp has been discontinued for longer than two years :stare:

As for Nod -- While no AV is perfect, agree you cant protect against stupidity :D Seen some people even when the Antivirus ( this is any Antivirus) warns them they still allow something through.

There was once a guy told me to install some of the programs he wanted and to visit some sites ( Read as Porn) , he actually disabled Nod32 first, because it would stop him :groan:

Some ( but not all ) Resellers actually dont have a clue on how to setup software either. I've been to plenty of places where someone has installed Nod and left it as default. There are a few options that make it work A LOT better, but the installer didn't activate them. Personally in the 11 years I've been selling / dealing with Nod I've never gotten any infections on my own PC's and I can tell you sometimes Nod is going nuts stopping things. I've deliberately infected my workshop computers sometimes, but that's on purpose when doing some testing.

pcuser42
18-07-2014, 05:34 PM
I have an idea - any time she has an issue which a reinstall can fix, no matter how minor, I'll wipe it then and upgrade :p

1101
18-07-2014, 05:50 PM
As for Nod -- While no AV is perfect, agree you cant protect against stupidity :D Seen some people even when the Antivirus ( this is any Antivirus) warns them they still allow something through.


Yeah, Ive found often the same person getting infected more than once . No AV can help there. Not good in a corporate environment.

But I would say, any paid AV should be better at detection & removal than free Malwarebytes , but none are .

wainuitech
18-07-2014, 08:39 PM
Yeah, Ive found often the same person getting infected more than once . No AV can help there. Not good in a corporate environment.

But I would say, any paid AV should be better at detection & removal than free Malwarebytes , but none are . The problem with the free Malwarebyes is its not active the whole time, it wont update by its self, and you cant schedule scans either. EVERYTHING has to be done manually. Generally many people are lazy - they wont do regular updates or scans. Many people wont even clean the junk ( temp files etc) out of their computers. The Free programs -- Theres countless times I've been to peoples places and they have not run such programs since last visit, which could be a year before.

Speedy Gonzales
18-07-2014, 08:43 PM
I know what you mean. I checked out the nieces PC in oz the other day with teamviewer. Mbam was installed but noone had updated it since I looked at it, like 3 mths ago.

Updated it then did a scan and it found a lot of malware. And she was wondering why she was having probs lol

kahawai chaser
19-07-2014, 05:11 PM
The problem with the free Malwarebyes is its not active the whole time, it wont update by its self, and you cant schedule scans either. EVERYTHING has to be done manually. Generally many people are lazy - they wont do regular updates or scans. Many people wont even clean the junk ( temp files etc) out of their computers. The Free programs -- Theres countless times I've been to peoples places and they have not run such programs since last visit, which could be a year before.

Double post. See below...

kahawai chaser
19-07-2014, 05:13 PM
The problem with the free Malwarebyes is its not active the whole time, it wont update by its self, and you cant schedule scans either. EVERYTHING has to be done manually. Generally many people are lazy - they wont do regular updates or scans. Many people wont even clean the junk ( temp files etc) out of their computers. The Free programs -- Theres countless times I've been to peoples places and they have not run such programs since last visit, which could be a year before.

Are there programs/utilities that can schedule, open, and run free malwarebytes/antivirus? I recall some antivirus programs had command lines to run them say with a batch file, a while back.

Cicero
19-07-2014, 06:06 PM
The problem with the free Malwarebyes is its not active the whole time, it wont update by its self, and you cant schedule scans either. EVERYTHING has to be done manually. Generally many people are lazy - they wont do regular updates or scans. Many people wont even clean the junk ( temp files etc) out of their computers. The Free programs -- Theres countless times I've been to peoples places and they have not run such programs since last visit, which could be a year before.
dO YOU HAVE THE MALWAREBYTES that you pay for? Sorry about caps.

wainuitech
19-07-2014, 06:07 PM
Are there programs/utilities that can schedule, open, and run free malwarebytes/antivirus? I recall some antivirus programs had command lines to run them say with a batch file, a while back. Any Antivirus, Free or paid, should have the options to run at a scheduled time. Any antivirus should be working the entire time. Meaning if you are browsing the internet and come across a site that has dangerous content or some sort of infection, the AV should stop it.

You can set a schedule on any windows computer to run any program on a scheduled time, but with the likes of the free Malwarebytes, you have to click "Scan Now" to activate the scan. Don't think theres any way to get it to auto scan on the free version.


dO YOU HAVE THE MALWAREBYTES that you pay for? Sorry about caps. Nope - just the free versions. I do manual scans every week, never finds anything as Nod seems to be stopping anything. ALWAYS run Ccleaner when finished every day, only takes a couple of seconds.

CYaBro
19-07-2014, 06:56 PM
For anyone interested:
http://www.bitdefender.com/media/html/softpedia-2015/
Free Bitdefender for 9 months.

PPp
19-07-2014, 09:10 PM
"Nope - just the free versions. I do manual scans every week, never finds anything as Nod seems to be stopping anything."
+1

Cicero
20-07-2014, 06:15 AM
I thought I was the tight one re freebies.!

wainuitech
20-07-2014, 11:32 AM
No Cic -- Some free programs are fine, others are best paid for as the paid ones are better. :)

dugimodo
20-07-2014, 12:20 PM
I use defender that came with windows 8, and occasionally when I think about it do a Mbam scan. I honestly can't remember the last time I had a virus or malware on my system, Mbam never finds anything but tracking cookies. I haven't had to do a reinstall or system restore for anything like that for a few years now (on my own PC's that is). I don't doubt NOD32 is better if set up correctly as Wainui suggests, but the free ones do a perfectly good job if you can apply some common sense to your PC usage.

Of course I am not worried by the prospect of losing everything and starting over, for me that's just a lost afternoon sometime and not really a big deal. Also I tend to have a 2nd PC I can use if I manage to kill my main one. Some people have more to lose than others.

wainuitech
20-07-2014, 01:58 PM
I use defender that came with windows 8, and occasionally when I think about it do a Mbam scan Dug, can you try something Please if you're game.:p

Since I wont use the inbuilt AV as I don't trust it, can you try the following site and see if MS's will block the content ?


WARNING: Both IE & Nod DOES block it as suspect - so if MS doesn't stop it / Warn- I take no responsibility to what may or may not happen :

http://www.2gb-hosting.com/videos/75c23d4ed2c04c73ab0dcff3b99293d0/megamind-2010.html

5851

Firefox Doesn't stop it or warn the user, nether did Iron ( Chrome variant).

dugimodo
20-07-2014, 03:24 PM
No it didn't block it, got to the page but didn't click on anything. Now I'll have to do some scanning :p

dugimodo
20-07-2014, 04:31 PM
Ok I used the online scanner from Eset an did a full scan, found 18 things so I thought I was going to have to concede. However what it found and deleted were legit programs, several different coin miners I've experimented with and their installers.
I'd be annoyed if I actually still used them but as it is it just prompt me to uninstall them properly as I no longer bother coin mining. To be fair to Eset I've previously had to tell Mbam and Defender to ignore those files, seems there is malware out there that uses the litecoin miners to mine coins and the scanners can't tell the legit mining software from the malware that also contains it.

Also did a Mbam scan and found nothing of note, apparently it's been 55 days since I last ran it.

wainuitech
20-07-2014, 04:42 PM
apparently it's been 55 days since I last ran it. :eek: EWWWW--naughty boy :p :lol:



To be fair to Eset I've previously had to tell Mbam and Defender to ignore those files, You can on the installed version Of Nod do the same thing ( Any AV should have that option).

1101
21-07-2014, 10:11 AM
For anyone interested:
http://www.bitdefender.com/media/html/softpedia-2015/
Free Bitdefender for 9 months.

Is this still available ? . It looks like the free download expired

CYaBro
21-07-2014, 10:24 AM
Is this still available ? . It looks like the free download expired

No looks like the offer has ended now.
I've got one license key if anyone wants it.
First to PM me gets it.

CYaBro
21-07-2014, 12:52 PM
No looks like the offer has ended now.
I've got one license key if anyone wants it.
First to PM me gets it.

Gone!

wainuitech
21-07-2014, 02:09 PM
Bitdefender is a bit of a joke right at the moment, and really pissing people Off. :)

You can still get it, as another site has it as well, till at least 6pm tonight http://sharewareonsale.com/s/bitdefender-internet-security-sale

The Joke -- read the comments NO ONE can get keys --- Great offer, download it fine, just dont expect to activate it any time soon :rolleyes:

CYaBro
21-07-2014, 03:14 PM
Bitdefender is a bit of a joke right at the moment, and really pissing people Off. :)

You can still get it, as another site has it as well, till at least 6pm tonight http://sharewareonsale.com/s/bitdefender-internet-security-sale

The Joke -- read the comments NO ONE can get keys --- Great offer, download it fine, just dont expect to activate it any time soon :rolleyes:

I got a key to my email almost immediately, but I used the site I linked to not your one, however I didn't try and install and activate it.

wainuitech
21-07-2014, 06:25 PM
I got a key to my email almost immediately, but I used the site I linked to not your one, however I didn't try and install and activate it.Only have to read teh comments section, next to no ones getting keys. :( Maybe you were one of the lucky ones.

Agent_24
22-07-2014, 08:40 PM
There was once a guy told me to install some of the programs he wanted and to visit some sites ( Read as Porn) , he actually disabled Nod32 first, because it would stop him :groan:

:lol:

Chilling_Silence
23-07-2014, 02:00 PM
That's odd I've never had NOD32 nuke any of my miners (predominantly cgminer).

dugimodo
23-07-2014, 04:49 PM
I think CGminer might have survived, but I had a few others I'd played with like SGminer (which is a fork of CGminer and worked better for me) and a primecoin miner, a bitcoin miner etc. When I was still mining I had a 3rd party launcher/ monitor I was using to start SGminer so that it would restart if it stalled etc. Maybe what NOD32 objects to is anything that includes the CGminer code but is not the official program.

Not still mining are you Chill? At current prices the best you could manage is a relatively cheap heater, ie power costs more than the coins are worth. Unless you have "free" power from somewhere.

Chilling_Silence
23-07-2014, 06:27 PM
Shut mine off a few days ago. It was doing a nice job of keeping the back end of the house warm though but I think we're better off selling the mining rig and getting a heat pump... Might get ~$600 a pop for the 2x R9 290X's, but I'm tempted to keep one and make myself a new gaming rig, just coz :D

No profitability now in LTC, DGB, even pooled mining not worth it. I'll see how things go with Digibyte after they go multi-algo though :)