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SP8's
04-03-2014, 01:45 PM
Hi all

Have a friend who's sick of Windows 8 on a relatively new laptop, a Gateway NE56R and wants to replace back to Windows 7 ... on a new HD.

Question ... can it be done and what's involved ?

Tried searching the forum but can't find anything about it, but have looked HERE (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417360,00.asp) and particulary at the statement: - If you're lucky, the manufacturer support page includes drivers for both Windows 8 and Windows 7, giving you everything you need for your entire PC. With one of our test PCs, this was all we needed to do, because all the device drivers were available. The manufacturers specs HERE (https://support.gateway.com/s/notebook/2012/Gateway/NE/NE56R/NE56Rsp2.shtml) say the particular model has Windows 7 installed and no mention of 7 so wondering whether it's been upgraded to 8 by the manufacturer or NZ distributor.

The new HD is required because the old one has bad sectors according to the Seatools check disk and it's hard to get the damn thing to load up ... black screens 9 out of 10 times, even in safe mode or bootup disc.

Haven't tried it yet, but can I run the old HD as a "USB storage device" and find any hidden partitions that will tell me whether 7 drivers are available, or does it require running the HD as a primary drive back in the lappy ?

SP8's
04-03-2014, 01:49 PM
Update ... it would seem as though I can get all the drivers required off the Gateway site.

Speedy Gonzales
04-03-2014, 02:20 PM
Win 7 and 8 have most of the drivers on the install DVD. Only driver you may or would need are the chipset drivers and maybe updated SATA drivers.

Computers / laptops with dual graphics did have probs with black screens in Win8 not so long ago. And this may have been due to incompatible video drivers

I suppose you need a Win7 DVD and key to install / activate it with. Then do a clean install

wainuitech
04-03-2014, 04:17 PM
You would need to buy windows 7, wipe the drive completely clean then install it. Theres no way to "roll back" the OS to W7 unless the laptop came with that option. Which in most cases would mean the manufactures supplied DVD's with it.

If it did come with W7 originally, then there will be a W7 COA either on the underside or sometimes in the battery compartment. If that were there then you can use that and a W7 DVD to install.

dugimodo
04-03-2014, 04:28 PM
Spend some time tweaking windows 8 to look like 7 ?
There are replacement start menus available and desktop versions of all the apps included you can associate everything with so you never have to visit the start screen.
With a little effort it can be much the same.

Still if they really want 7 they'll have to buy it as mentioned. The HDD should be under warranty if it's new enough to have 8 on it so I'd get a warranty claim underway now rather than anything else - install whatever OS they want when the drive is replaced.

PeterE
10-03-2014, 04:58 PM
Try Classic Shell.

Agent_24
10-03-2014, 08:42 PM
Classic Shell and 7 Taskbar Tweaker should solve most of your problems in getting Windows 8 to work mostly like Windows 7, that said, it will still look different, what with the ribbon in Explorer etc.

Scratch that, if you hate the ribbon: http://winaero.com/comment.php?comment.news.20

Lawrence
11-03-2014, 07:51 AM
Stick with it because they have paid for and will have to pay again for Win 7

Install a third party start menu as others have said to negate them very little involvement in Metro and with the official release next month of "update 1" this will give them more enhancements to make it better to live with

Also with Windows 9 Release April 2015,there maybe a financial advantage in the upgrading

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-81-update-1-hits-rtm

Windows 9 beta is also due next month for Release which should be very interesting due to some of the possible idea's being floated

lakewoodlady
12-03-2014, 06:18 PM
I have seen this in action, looks pretty close to Win 7 format

http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

LL

Speedy Gonzales
12-03-2014, 06:28 PM
Start8 is pretty good. I use it on here. And its pretty cheap to buy

1101
13-03-2014, 09:35 AM
If you've never installed a OS from scratch, on a notebook before, dont even attempt it.

- should have downgrade rights so licensing isnt a issue.
- you will need Win7 install key you can use . Thats where your troubles will start . No one will supply you with one.
- you will need a matching install CD
- you will need to download ALL the drivers 1st, as you may not be able to after loading Win7 (NIC & WIFI may need drivers)
- dont assume all the drivers are on the website. Sometimes they arnt & you may need to spend hours searching for compatible drivers


Or try contacting Gateway by phone (good luck with that ? ) . They MIGHT be able to send a Win7 recovery CD out to you (it wont be free)

Definitely replace that faulty HD. You should get a replacement under warranty, The CGA will cover it if its out of the usual 1year warranty period.

wainuitech
13-03-2014, 09:49 AM
If you've never installed a OS from scratch, on a notebook before, dont even attempt it.

- should have downgrade rights so licensing isnt a issue.
Or try contacting Gateway by phone (good luck with that ? ) . They MIGHT be able to send a Win7 recovery CD out to you (it wont be free)

Definitely replace that faulty HD. You should get a replacement under warranty, The CGA will cover it if its out of the usual 1year warranty period.

In Bold - Thats ONLY if it comes with Windows 8 Pro microsoft downgrade_rights (http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/what_to_do_downgrade_rights.aspx#fbid=YpMI_T08S2V)

Most consumer models come with windows Standard, which Doesn't have downgrade options.

Drivers for that model are available for W7 - 8.1 http://support.gateway.com/product/default.aspx?modelId=4266

1101
13-03-2014, 10:27 AM
Drivers for that model are available for W7 - 8.1 http://support.gateway.com/product/default.aspx?modelId=4266

Cant assume that all drivers are on the website. Ive done downgrades where some drivers were missing or wrong(didnt match hardware) , & even done many re-installs where a few correct drivers wernt on the website , requiring a long (hit & miss) search to find drivers. Hardware can & does change for the same model no during production runs (look at the 4 different wifi chips on that one), sometimes drivers on the website are wrong or not all there.

Point being, its sometimes not that simple to get ALL the correct drivers , especially for lappies. This could turn into a headache if the guy hasnt done this sort of thing before.

wainuitech
13-03-2014, 10:51 AM
Generally Gateways aren't to bad, done a few and they all went fine, not to say all do of course. HP & Toshiba are the worst.

Still brings the point of the original question - unless its Windows 8 PRO, theres no downgrade rights to W7, so the OS would have to be purchased .

Should have brought W7 in the first place if owner didn't want W8. "IF" it were advertised as having W7 and got W8 then thats a different matter. Some places offer both Versions, and they will be listed as to what its got.

SP8's
13-03-2014, 05:06 PM
1101 ... have done a few clean installs of different O/S's for friends when HD's have failed and had no problems, having said that, this is the first time I've had the great displeasure of working with Win8. Personal opinion only, but they should never have put that mess on anyhing that hasn't got a touch screen.

"Should have brought W7 in the first place if owner didn't want W8. "IF" it were advertised as having W7 and got W8 then thats a different matter".

Agree whole heartedly Wainui ... but I had nothing to do with the purchase and they were told told Win8 was the best thing since sliced bread. From what I've heard, I think there may be quite a few people wishing they'd never bought a computer with 8 on it.

wainuitech
13-03-2014, 05:55 PM
just to follow on from 1101's post:
Or try contacting Gateway by phone (good luck with that ? ) . They MIGHT be able to send a Win7 recovery CD out to you (it wont be free)

Definitely replace that faulty HD. You should get a replacement under warranty, Assuming the drive is replaced under warranty, then it would normally be replaced by a service agent for Gateway.
( hope this reads right)
"if" they sent the owner a replacement drive to install OR the Gateway agents replace the drive it will have to have windows re-installed on it, since these days recovery DVD's are not supplied, only the recovery partition on the drive, SO who ever is doing it can be asked to have W7 instead of W8 installed. "IF" the drive is sent to the owner, then they will have to send recovery DVD's as well, request W7 :2cents:


Worth a crack ;) http://nz.gateway.com/gw/en/NZ/content/contactus

dugimodo
13-03-2014, 08:18 PM
If the $5 or so for start8 is too much try Classic Shell. It's free and replicates the look and feel of windows 7 pretty well http://www.classicshell.net/

With one of those replacement menus the differences become pretty small. Still after a few weeks I stopped having any issues with windows 8, just some new things to learn and it's fine.