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LiMiT
07-10-2013, 04:56 PM
Hi, I am looking to buy a gaming pc or build one through 2moro & it. However I need some advice on which cpu, video card etc to get.
My budget is roughly $1400 NZD, I am wanting to play the upcoming next gen games like battlefield 4 and others.

I also dont need a monitor or mouse etc in that price range.

Thank you for your time!
Blake :)

wainuitech
07-10-2013, 05:19 PM
What happened to the previous Gaming PC you asked about earlier this Year ? http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/showthread.php?128909-Gaming-PC-Build

LiMiT
07-10-2013, 05:30 PM
Didn't go through with it ended up buying a laptop now I want some fresh advice.

Blake

inphinity
07-10-2013, 06:17 PM
i5-4670, GTX760

LiMiT
07-10-2013, 07:01 PM
How about something like this?

Custom Details
AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core 4.0 GHz, upto 4.2Ghz Turbo 16MB Cache Socket AM3+ "Unlocked"
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 Chipset AM3/AM3+
8GB(8Gb x1) DDR3-1600 High Performance
1TB Reliable/Performance Harddrive
ASUS DRW-24B5ST 24X Dual Layer DVD writer
Nvidia Geforce GTX 760 OC 2Gb GDDR5 Advanced Memory
Raidmax Super Aeolus Side Window
450W Continuous 80 Plus Silver Efficient Power Supply
Windows 8 disc and license 64bit OEM (PC Add-on ONLY)
TP-LINK TL-WN821N Wireless-N 300Mbps USB Adapter

Total: $1480

Driftwood
07-10-2013, 07:25 PM
Didn't go through with it ended up buying a laptop now I want some fresh advice.

Blake

Does that mean the previous advice was no good?

inphinity
07-10-2013, 07:33 PM
Power supply below minimum spec for a reference 760 let alone an OC one, no brand given for HDD, PSU or GPU, no SSD, and why a USB wifi N adapter? The FX8350 is OK, but for gaming it falls behind even the previous gen of i5s. Do you need a wifi adapter with it?

LiMiT
07-10-2013, 07:48 PM
Does that mean the previous advice was no good?

No like I said fresh advice.. Please stay on topic and not start and argument

Blake

LiMiT
07-10-2013, 07:51 PM
Power supply below minimum spec for a reference 760 let alone an OC one, no brand given for HDD, PSU or GPU, no SSD, and why a USB wifi N adapter? The FX8350 is OK, but for gaming it falls behind even the previous gen of i5s. Do you need a wifi adapter with it?

Hi thanks for your feedback.

I wanted a wireless card with it because im not near the modem and it cant be moved. Which CPU would you recommend over the FX8350?

Blake

wainuitech
07-10-2013, 07:54 PM
Didn't go through with it ended up buying a laptop now I want some fresh advice.

Blake That'll do it :D

Re inphinity's comment ---- looking at the site mentioned in the first post, the PSU is FSP RA-450S & HDD either Western Digital or Seagate.

inphinity
07-10-2013, 08:10 PM
That'll do it :D

Re inphinity's comment ---- looking at the site mentioned in the first post, the PSU is FSP RA-450S & HDD either Western Digital or Seagate.

Ah, well, either way, nVidia's reference design for the GTX760 calls for a 500W PSU. Now, while a 450 will probably run it... not really ideal, especially given the FX-8350 is a 125W unit, compared to 84W of the i5-4670K. PSU is one of the areas imo you don't want to skimp in. Go for a decent 550 or so and you'll be fine.

icow
07-10-2013, 08:17 PM
If you picked those parts (ie not a pre-built system) you might as well get a FX-8320. $90 isn't worth the extra clocks.

Slankydudl
07-10-2013, 08:44 PM
If your building a gaming rig always go for a better gpu if you can get a worse CPU. An i5 sandy bridge with a 7970 and a i5 haswell with a 7970 preform with negligible difference. The CPU is becoming more and more irrelevant for gaming.

wainuitech
07-10-2013, 08:50 PM
Ah, well, either way, nVidia's reference design for the GTX760 calls for a 500W PSU. Now, while a 450 will probably run it... not really ideal, especially given the FX-8350 is a 125W unit, compared to 84W of the i5-4670K. PSU is one of the areas imo you don't want to skimp in. Go for a decent 550 or so and you'll be fine. :) Totally agree, I was just advising of the brands. :)

Agree, a under powered PSU will cause all sorts of problems.

dugimodo
07-10-2013, 11:14 PM
To agree with others;
i5
GTX 760
4-8GB RAM
SSD if you can fit it in the budget
Decent quality power supply 500-600W, you want to remember the capacity degrades over time due to component ageing and give yourself some headroom.

Also, not to start an intel vs AMD argument (please) for gaming purposes the i5 is just better. Consistently higher framerates in most games, higher IPC meaning better single threaded performance, cooler running, and uses less power(bonus). The difference is not huge though and an AMD machine will game very well, but personally I'd go for what is better over any brand loyalty/prejudice. If you look at the toms hardware charts for best gaming CPU's for the money (linked in the other thread) you will see the top tier is all intel and all the current i5's and upwards are all lumped in together as roughly equivalent (because games don't benefit noticeably from an i7 or more cores for the most part over an i5).

My main machine is an i7 3770/ HD7970 combo and my backup is an i3 3220/650Ti boost combo. Most games play about the same on them at 1080P with the 650Ti proving to be the weakest link and needing the graphics turned down a bit on some titles.
There are games that benefit from the extra CPU horsepower but they are the exception so far and the i3 pisses me off by matching my i7 most of the time. I think you'd be perfectly happy with any haswell i5 and I'm not sure overclocking is worth the effort for a few extra theoretical FPS you will never notice.

LiMiT
08-10-2013, 09:56 AM
Alright so what ive decided on so far..

CPU: i5 4670k
GPU: GTX 760
Motherboard: Suggestions?
RAM: 8GB (need suggestions on which type to get)
HDD: 1TB (need suggestions on which type to get)
PSU: 550W
CASE: Suggestions?

Thanks Blake

SolMiester
08-10-2013, 10:02 AM
ASRock board, more features for the price...

dugimodo
08-10-2013, 12:31 PM
Motherboard: Suggestions?
RAM: 8GB (need suggestions on which type to get)
HDD: 1TB (need suggestions on which type to get)
CASE: Suggestions?
Thanks Blake
Asrock, Asus, or gigabyte for the board, just get the cheapest one with the chipset you want. More expensive models overclock better but I'm not sure it's worth the premium personally.
RAM DDR-3 dual channel kit probably 1600 or better - don't stress to much the gains in performance from RAM speed are small and won't effect your games noticeably, I like kingston but most brands are quite good, Corsair and G.skill are good brands IMO also.
HDD - WD Blue would be my pick edit; or one of these http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA49937 for near SSD boot up times

icow
08-10-2013, 01:01 PM
Ram is ram. I'd go with 1600mhz stuff as it seems to be the sweet spot at the moment. Just make sure it has a lifetime warranty and you'll be sweet. Also +1 for asrock motherboards, recently had the pleasure of using on of these: http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/Z87%20Extreme4/ I'm very impressed.

Slankydudl
08-10-2013, 01:04 PM
When it comes to ram unless you need reliability more is literally more. Your better off getting more ram than more speed.

LiMiT
08-10-2013, 04:03 PM
I found this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=645925801

With the ram changed to 8gb and hdd 1tb what do you guys think?

Chilling_Silence
08-10-2013, 04:17 PM
Hell no, too expensive, no OS either.

LiMiT
08-10-2013, 04:21 PM
oh really thanks for the heads up. If anyone has a spare moment could they build one on this website for me, would be greatly appreciated! nz.pcpartpicker.com

Blake

darkoverlord123
08-10-2013, 05:44 PM
This: http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=WKSPB6028W&name=PB-Everyday-Home-PC-6028W-Latest-Intel-Core-i5-457

Plus a GTX 760 http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=VGAEVG2760&name=EVGA-GeForce-GTX760-2G-PCI-E-3.0-Gaming-video-card

LiMiT
09-10-2013, 09:05 AM
This: http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=WKSPB6028W&name=PB-Everyday-Home-PC-6028W-Latest-Intel-Core-i5-457

Plus a GTX 760 http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=VGAEVG2760&name=EVGA-GeForce-GTX760-2G-PCI-E-3.0-Gaming-video-card

Dont know how to install a video card would rather buy in full

Any other suggestions?

Blake

icow
09-10-2013, 11:32 AM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+install+a+video+card

Not very hard to do. Just do it yourself.

Slankydudl
09-10-2013, 11:58 AM
Also soon many retailers are going to be trying to get rid of old AMD stock with the new cards coming out. however most of the new cards are just rebrands so you can save yourself money by buying the older one which still has the exact same chip and secs but will be listed as a higher end card. Combine that with the $100 dollar discounts being given on some of them its a great bargan.

LiMiT
09-10-2013, 12:02 PM
Wouldnt this be better?

Intel Core i5 4670K Haswell 3.4Ghz Socket 1150
Gigabyte/Asus intel B85 chipset Motherboard
8GB(8Gb x1) DDR3-1600 High Performance
1TB Reliable/Performance Harddrive
ASUS DRW-24B5ST 24X Dual Layer DVD writer
Nvidia Geforce GTX 760 OC 2Gb GDDR5 Advanced Memory
"Special!" Supercase TU-377 Transformer Gaming Black High Quality
600W(Max) Efficient Power Supply
Windows 8 disc and license 64bit OEM (PC Add-on ONLY)
TP-LINK TL-WN821N Wireless-N 300Mbps USB Adapter

$1419

dugimodo
09-10-2013, 12:27 PM
Not sure how good the price is off the top of my head but two things stick out immediately
1. single RAM chip, better off with 2x4 for Dual channel mode. Will lower system performance
2. The common one, power supply brand is not mentioned. Is it a good one?

Otherwise specs look fine, your call regarding price.

LiMiT
09-10-2013, 01:03 PM
I have enquired on those questions now dugimodo thank you. The price is cheaper than what dark overlord suggested.

Blake

Slankydudl
09-10-2013, 01:17 PM
Just saying the 760 is quite a pointless buy atm, in fact buying any of the new AMD or Nvidia cards is almost completely pointless unless your going for the best.
Due to all the retailers trying to sell stock you can pick up a AMD 7950 for about $60 less than the 760 and the 7950 has better performance and more vram.

Im by no means an AMD fan boy but as it has been for the past few years if your going for something that isnt the best card on the market you will almost always get better bang for you buck from AMD. The truth of it is that lower prices are all AMD can really offer in competition to Nvidia who was previously holding back as to not drive their competitor out of the market. Aswell as this if AMD's new api called mantle becomes a success you will be wanting an AMD card.

LiMiT
09-10-2013, 02:10 PM
This is what they said...

HI Blake
yea, i can free change the ram to 2 x 4Gb, just leave a note on the delivery note area
i just saw you upgrade the Graphic card,
Would recommend upgrade the PSU to 550W Continuous 80 Plus Silver or 650W Continuous 80 Plus silver, cause the 600W Max is none 80 Plus, continuous power is less than 500W,

Chilling_Silence
09-10-2013, 04:27 PM
Still no mention on the brand... which actually matters a *lot* when it comes to PSU's.

Last thing you want is for it to fail, go BANG, and take out your graphics card etc on its way out...

wainuitech
09-10-2013, 04:55 PM
Still no mention on the brand... which actually matters a *lot* when it comes to PSU's.

Last thing you want is for it to fail, go BANG, and take out your graphics card etc on its way out...

"If" its from the shop mentioned in the original post 2moro & it Looking at their site the Wording ( as how they are described) they are FSP's

LiMiT
09-10-2013, 06:58 PM
Ill confirm it with them.. FPS is good? What amount of watt would suit this build?

darkoverlord123
09-10-2013, 07:16 PM
Brand new AMD cards coming to PB Tech on Sunday, 260, 270, and 280X series

LiMiT
09-10-2013, 07:32 PM
Are they better then GTX 760?

inphinity
09-10-2013, 07:58 PM
The 280X should be, the others won't be. The 280X is effectively a 7970. Whether they're better value, depends on how much they release at here. As Slanky pointed out, you can get a 7950 for ballpark same price as a 760, and they're very similar in performance - so much so that which is better varies from game to game. Personally, I tend towards nVidia for graphics cards, simply because all my experiences with owning AMD GPUs has been negative (and I'm actually quite the AMD fanboy, went over 10 years without buying an Intel CPU until fairly recently).

Slankydudl
10-10-2013, 08:48 AM
Yeah the only reason to get the amd one is if you need the vram or need to save some money. Plus if mantle becomes a thing it would be quite nice to have an AMD card.

dugimodo
10-10-2013, 10:18 AM
I wouldn't call a 760 pointless, in the Nvidia range it's the best bang for buck you can get and until these new AMD cards are available so we can look at prices there is currently nothing commonly available at it's price point ($430-$450 approx) that's any better. yes a 7970 or 280X is better, but they cost more also and compete with the GTX770 not the 760. If the 280X is available at the same price sure, otherwise I'd stick with the 760.

With any hardware but PC's especially there is always something better coming, you just have to pick the best deal at the time when you are looking and be happy. Maybe at times like this were the cards are only a week or two away it's worth waiting, but prebuilt systems make take a while to show up with the new cards as well.
I got my 7970 about 2 weeks before the 760 was released, otherwise I'd have a 760 myself. Yes it's a little slower but much better value and good enough for the 1080P settings I use.

OT: The way things are going I may have to stop building PC's for a while, the last few "upgrades" haven't really been needed so I may be down to just a graphics card evey 18 months or so until games catch up to current hardware, depressing I love building my new machine most years. Maybe I should start saving up for a high end beast in a couple of years :)

ChazTheGeek
10-10-2013, 10:33 AM
OT: The way things are going I may have to stop building PC's for a while, the last few "upgrades" haven't really been needed so I may be down to just a graphics card evey 18 months or so until games catch up to current hardware, depressing I love building my new machine most years. Maybe I should start saving up for a high end beast in a couple of years :)

You so should...a big CM HAF 932 case or a Corsair 900D with quad SLI. Yum.

@LiMiT just a get a 760, it'll serve you well. That is if you can't wait for the mantle cards...

icow
10-10-2013, 10:40 AM
Supercase TU-377

Looks like a raidmax re-badge. Would avoid.

ChazTheGeek
10-10-2013, 10:47 AM
+1

Slankydudl
10-10-2013, 11:57 AM
Unless you really want physx or need CUDA cores for adobe applications and the like you may aswell get something with slightly higher performance, better specs (for showyness) and a cheaper price point. And I would advise not getting any of the new AMD cards unless its the top of the line one. Btw all GCN AMD cards meaning everything in the 7xxx range and up will support mantle

icow
10-10-2013, 02:34 PM
You can get a 7950 for $350-$400. Pretty decent deal. Looks like the 760 is faster in BF3, Crysis and Bioshock (newer games). If you're really into those games the 760 is the better buy. Mantle is a cool idea and if you played a tonne of BF4 buying into it might be worth it but unless other games pick it up it's probably something I'd wait and see on.

LiMiT
15-10-2013, 12:53 PM
So what you guys think of the 280x? better than 760?

inphinity
15-10-2013, 02:02 PM
Yes, it's better. But so it should be, given the price difference.

dugimodo
15-10-2013, 02:27 PM
Yes, it's better. But so it should be, given the price difference.
:+1:

However it's not always that simple, if you have a good idea of what games you will be playing go look some benchmarks and then decide. For me for example as mainly a World of Warcraft junkie Nvidia cards are significantly better at that game and my 7970 has trouble maintaining smooth framerates at ultra whereas my much older and slower in theory gtx 580 was always over 60fps (replaced due to case limitations not performance)

icow
15-10-2013, 04:43 PM
:+1:

However it's not always that simple, if you have a good idea of what games you will be playing go look some benchmarks and then decide. For me for example as mainly a World of Warcraft junkie Nvidia cards are significantly better at that game and my 7970 has trouble maintaining smooth framerates at ultra whereas my much older and slower in theory gtx 580 was always over 60fps (replaced due to case limitations not performance)

+1

Checkout the benchmarks and look for user feedback on specific games which you think you'll play with whatever graphics card you're looking into buying.

In regards to the 280x, it's pretty much a 7970 rebadge with new firmware. Nothing wrong with that but because of launch hype you're going to be much better off (price wise) getting a 7970 as they go on clearance than trying to get a 280x.

Slankydudl
15-10-2013, 05:18 PM
if your going to get one of AMD's new cards its only really worth going small or going big, their R7 260x and the R9 290x are the only two cards which are really new and offer their new gpu based sound visualization. otherwise you may as well get the equivalent card from the old generation that will still have the exact same performance.

icow
15-10-2013, 06:55 PM
I thought the 260x was a 7790?

inphinity
15-10-2013, 08:26 PM
I thought the 260x was a 7790?

Yes, the R7 260X is effectively a 2GB edition of the 7790 with slightly higher clocks.

Ninjabear
15-10-2013, 09:28 PM
Hmm I'm also thinking of upgrading my Gtx 760. 7970 seems a good upgrade right?

Slankydudl
16-10-2013, 07:44 AM
Yeah but the 260 and the 290 are the only two that support true sound, for some odd reason. Im guessing they dont expect anyone to buy the 280

LiMiT
21-10-2013, 10:32 AM
Custom Details
Intel Core i5 4670K Haswell 3.4Ghz Socket 1150
Gigabyte/Asus intel B85 chipset Motherboard
8GB(4gb x2) DDR3-1600 High Performance
1TB Reliable/Performance Harddrive
Samsung SH-224DB SATA 24X Dual layer DVD Writer
Nvidia Geforce GTX 760 OC 2Gb GDDR5 Advanced Memory
Thermaltake Chaser A31 Mid Tower Thunder Blue No PSU
650W Continuous 80 Plus Silver Efficient Power Supply
Windows 8 disc and license 64bit OEM (PC Add-on ONLY)
TP-LINK TL-WN821N Wireless-N 300Mbps USB Adapter

$1481

Thoughts?

dugimodo
21-10-2013, 10:47 AM
Looks good, will certainly do the Job, for gaming @ 1080P will max settings on pretty much anything and if you have to drop them at all it won't be enough to make the game look bad.

To summarise the advice so far - well my take on it;
i5, good
8GB - plenty of RAM for the near future
GTX 760 - best bang for buck Nvidia card and a great choice, 7970 an even better card from AMD but more expensive as well and prob overkill for single screen gaming.
Make sure the PSU is a good reliable brand (Corsair, Antec, Silverstone, Seasonic, possibly others check if unsure)

inphinity
21-10-2013, 12:20 PM
Hmm I'm also thinking of upgrading my Gtx 760. 7970 seems a good upgrade right?

I'm sorry but I can't see this being a logical upgrade choice. The 7970 is better, yes, but not significantly. The 7970 is only like 5 - 8 % faster than the GTX760. To get a meaningful increase, you would need to look at a GTX780 or better, or a 7990 or better, imo. The GTX760, like the x60 series tends to be, is fantastic bang for buck, and it gets pricey to make a significant step up.

icow
21-10-2013, 03:15 PM
I'm sorry but I can't see this being a logical upgrade choice. The 7970 is better, yes, but not significantly. The 7970 is only like 5 - 8 % faster than the GTX760. To get a meaningful increase, you would need to look at a GTX780 or better, or a 7990 or better, imo. The GTX760, like the x60 series tends to be, is fantastic bang for buck, and it gets pricey to make a significant step up.

+1

LiMiT
21-10-2013, 03:40 PM
The power supply brand is FSP

dugimodo
21-10-2013, 03:50 PM
Well if it's similar to this one http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/FSP-Raider-650-W-Power-Supply-Review/1610/1 it's probably pretty decent.
The one in the review has a bronze rating but they remarked that it was much more efficient than normal for a bronze and used the same platform as a gold rated model so it may have been re certified silver at some point, certainly searching raider 650 on FSP's site leads to a silver rated supply.

I suspect you'd be pretty happy with that machine.

LiMiT
21-10-2013, 04:07 PM
Do fans come with the case? or whats the go on cooling?

icow
21-10-2013, 05:39 PM
With that case you'll get 2 fans in the case, 1 in the front and 1 in the back.

ChazTheGeek
22-10-2013, 08:31 AM
I would get this case LiMiT: http://www.pcforce.co.nz/cooler-master-storm-scout-2-gunmetal-gray-mid-tower-true-gaming-chassis-p-2468.html
It has more cooling options than the other case you mentioned. It comes with one red LED fan. If you want more cooling you'll have to buy more fans, which aren't very expensive.
Plus this case comes from Cooler Master which is a better brand than Thermaltake (in my opinion).

LiMiT
22-10-2013, 10:45 AM
One more thing is well is the B85 a good motherboard or should I upgrade it? other options are Z87 or H87

dugimodo
22-10-2013, 12:28 PM
B85 is fine, it won't have the overclocking options of the others and may have less SATA/ USB ports but unless you intend to use a lot of hard drives or plug in large amounts of peripherals that's unlikey to matter. My gaming PC in my signature uses that chipset and is great.

LiMiT
22-10-2013, 07:45 PM
Im thinking of just going for the Z87 now just because of more features. Good idea?