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ZacDaMan72
24-09-2013, 07:00 PM
Currently, I have my laptop connected to an external monitor (ghetto desktop haha), and my laptop is becoming a bottleneck for my otherwise good desk setup (5.1 Logitech Z506, 23 inch monitor etc) so I wanna move up to a desktop. I won't be playing the most extreme games like Battlefield 4 and stuff, but I know I want one to last me through high school, so 4 years (first year of h.s for me). So here is my intended setup...

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($274.84 @ PB Technologies)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($56.35 @ PB Technologies)
Motherboard: Asus H87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($182.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($129.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.34 @ PB Technologies)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($319.95 @ Computer Lounge)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($152.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Platinum 650W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($201.48 @ Aquila Technology)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($194.35 @ PB Technologies)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($220.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Total: $1855.31
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-24 18:00 NZST+1200)

Or should I uprate the system?

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.75 @ PB Technologies)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($123.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-C ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($211.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($129.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($145.00 @ PC Force)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.34 @ PB Technologies)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($319.95 @ Computer Lounge)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($152.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Platinum 650W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($201.48 @ Aquila Technology)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($194.35 @ PB Technologies)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($220.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Total: $2148.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-24 17:59 NZST+1200)

darkoverlord123
25-09-2013, 05:00 PM
Get the cheaper system, then add the SSD from the other system and you will be fine for the next few years.

icow
25-09-2013, 05:49 PM
Total: $2148.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-24 17:59 NZST+1200)

Not really sure how that pc ended up so expensive: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Hn3F

That's excluding windows ($varies) and a optical drive ($20)

If it needs to be under 2.1k cut back on the cpu and maybe drop the cpu cooler.

ZacDaMan72
25-09-2013, 08:15 PM
Not really sure how that pc ended up so expensive: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Hn3F

That's excluding windows ($varies) and a optical drive ($20)

If it needs to be under 2.1k cut back on the cpu and maybe drop the cpu cooler.

I changed a few things about it: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1HoC2

ZacDaMan72
25-09-2013, 08:21 PM
What about this?

CPU Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core $274.84

CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing $56.35

Motherboard Asus H87-PRO ATX LGA1150 $182.00

Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 $119.00

Storage Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD $145.00
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM $122.93

Video Card Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB $319.95

Case Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower $152.00

Power Supply Antec 650W ATX12V / EPS12V $201.48

Optical Drive LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $137.30

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $219.00

Total: $1929.85

ChazTheGeek
25-09-2013, 08:25 PM
Are those WD Black Drives any better? The blues are about $40 cheaper.
That PSU seems a little expensive. Or is it one of those high efficiency models?
I got my Corsair CX750 for $140 (though it is at the bottom of the corsair line).

icow
25-09-2013, 09:22 PM
Black drives are faster than blues. Not sure if there's much benefit if you have an SSD... Unless you're using fraps or similar. In regards to the PSU you're paying $20 more for gold efficiency, 5 year warranty (vs 3 on the corsair) and the psu being modular which is totally worth it imo. Personally I wouldn't bother with 1866mhz ram. The performance increase from the extra mhz is tiny, this is usually because higher clocks means higher CAS latency which will decrease performance at the same time minimizing the gains from the extra clocks. Better off just getting a stick of cheaper 1600mhz stuff. In regards to the case I picked the R4 as it's one of the quietest cases you can buy (short of going fanless or something). Even with stock/cheaper fans it's quiet. If this isn't a big deal I would recommend just buying whatever, there's nothing amazing about the 300R so unless you really like the look of the case then you can buy pretty much whatever. Personally I'd go for the biggest case I could get in the $100-$150 price range (even if it's second hand) just to make working around a 7970 easy. If you do want a quiet case but don't want to spend $200 on the R4 the Bit Fenix Ghost is an excellent option.

dugimodo
25-09-2013, 10:10 PM
Blacks have a reputation for being less reliable and blues are pretty close in performance. My opinion, drop the hyper 212 and use stock cooling, get a blue drive, use the savings towards a GTX760 graphics card which will make more difference in games than any other item on your list. Otherwise go with the first option. you could also opt for a cheaper motherboard if you want, there is not too much difference outside of overclocking abilities except number of ports, RAM slots etc. Performance is near enough the same between a $150 motherboard and a $400 one if you run at stock.

While the K CPU's are nice and free performance is awesome I'd suggest for the extra money and effort to overclock you won't notice a difference most of the time. For example I had a 2500K clocked at 4.2 and I game a lot, after a BIOS update I forgot to redo the overclock and ran at stock speeds for 3 months without noticing. This time round I went for an i7 3770 and stock cooler instead of a i5 3570K and hyper 212

icow
25-09-2013, 10:13 PM
I hear overclocking is pretty average on haswell anyway. Ivy and sandy were much better overclockers.

SolMiester
26-09-2013, 03:32 PM
I was going to suggest an IB CPU rather than Haswell (which run hotter) and an ASRock board...for a 4Ghz IB out of the box...

PCPartPicker part list: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1HGwu
Price breakdown by merchant: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1HGwu/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1HGwu/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($263.34 @ PB Technologies)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($56.35 @ PB Technologies)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($228.68 @ Ascent Technology)
Memory: Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($123.97 @ Aquila Technology)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($150.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($170.05 @ PC Force)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($449.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.05 @ PC Force)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($199.95 @ Computer Lounge)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($40.24 @ PB Technologies)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($174.14 @ Ascent Technology)
Total: $2044.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-26 14:32 NZST+1200)

inphinity
26-09-2013, 04:25 PM
CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($263.34 @ PB Technologies)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($56.35 @ PB Technologies)


For the most part I like the look of your picks, but I'm curious. Why an aftermarket cooler on a non-K Ivy Bridge? If budget is any sort of issue, the extra $50 or $60 is, imo, a waste on a non-overclocked IB. The stock coolers are fine, especially when coupled with a decent-airflow case. I'd even suggest the difference is better spent on improved low-decibel case cooling.

Agent_24
26-09-2013, 04:44 PM
Blacks have a reputation for being less reliable

That's racist. :p

SolMiester
26-09-2013, 04:48 PM
For the most part I like the look of your picks, but I'm curious. Why an aftermarket cooler on a non-K Ivy Bridge? If budget is any sort of issue, the extra $50 or $60 is, imo, a waste on a non-overclocked IB. The stock coolers are fine, especially when coupled with a decent-airflow case. I'd even suggest the difference is better spent on improved low-decibel case cooling.

Because I would clock the CPU to 4Ghz from 3.2ghz using Asrock non-k overclock....and i dont think the stock HSF is good enough for 4ghz 24/7....in summer

inphinity
26-09-2013, 05:16 PM
Because I would clock the CPU to 4Ghz from 3.2ghz using Asrock non-k overclock....and i dont think the stock HSF is good enough for 4ghz 24/7....in summer

Ah, fair point. Yes, sorry, I'd looked at it on the basis of running factory clocks.

icow
26-09-2013, 05:19 PM
I was going to suggest an IB CPU rather than Haswell (which run hotter) and an ASRock board...for a 4Ghz IB out of the box...

Only issue is that the 1155 socket motherboards are a dead end, you have no upgrade path. Also that motherboard is out of stock. I had a friend who was trying to get one to go with a 3770k, we couldn't find a board from asrock, asus or gigabyte in stock which would do 8x/8x sli. Ended up having to go with the 4770k and a 1150 board. Sure Ivy is a valid option (haswell is like a 10% performance difference iirc) but finding decent 1155 parts is an issue.

ZacDaMan72
26-09-2013, 08:49 PM
Are those WD Black Drives any better? The blues are about $40 cheaper.
That PSU seems a little expensive. Or is it one of those high efficiency models?
I got my Corsair CX750 for $140 (though it is at the bottom of the corsair line).

It is a 80 plus Platinum.

ZacDaMan72
26-09-2013, 08:52 PM
You can check out my options here: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/user/ZacDaMan72/saved/
I don't want to use the stock Intel cooler because it is too loud.

icow
26-09-2013, 09:46 PM
You can check out my options here: http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/user/ZacDaMan72/saved/

Personally I don't see the point in getting a platinum efficiency psu: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143029-empowered-can-high-efficiency-power-supplies-cut-your-electricity-bill/3 (unless you are going to be drawing 1200w constantly which your system won't)

Get windows 8 it'll save you $50.

I feel like spending 2k and not getting a GTX 770 or similar card (680, 7970 etc) is a bit of a waste. If you aren't going to be playing high end games/don't need a high end gpu I'd be cutting my budget back to $1500.

Edit: In what ways has your laptop become a bottleneck?

darkoverlord123
27-09-2013, 08:44 AM
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=WKSPB6150W&name=PB-6150W-Gaming-Series-Intel-Haswell-Unlocked-Core and then if you need you can upgrade to 16gb of RAM, and it will be pretty much the same price as the second one

dugimodo
27-09-2013, 09:48 AM
finding decent 1155 parts is an issue.
+1
I recently built a 2nd itx system because I had most of the parts already left over from other projects, all I needed was a MB, RAM, & OS to go with my i3 3220 etc.
It was only a couple months after building the system in my signature and I struggled to find anyone with an 1155 itx board in stock at all, computerlounge and paradigm both had a single model only compared to about 6 previously.


I don't want to use the stock Intel cooler because it is too loud.
Fair enough but my i7 & my i3 are both using stock cooling and I've never heard the CPU cooler except when stress testing with prime 95 and even then it's not loud at all. the i7 machine is fairly quiet overall with the graphics card occasionally cranking up it's fan and becoming a little loud and the i3 is so quiet you have to look at the power LED to be sure it's running. In both machines the case fans are the loudest part and those are not too loud.

Too be fair though, I have a hyper 212 evo on an old phenom box and it might as well be silent.

beama
27-09-2013, 09:57 AM
I would up the ram to 16 gig bit of future proofing especially if your a gamer

dugimodo
27-09-2013, 10:32 AM
I would up the ram to 16 gig bit of future proofing especially if your a gamer
Maybe.
It amuses me how whenever a certain amount of RAM becomes too little it get's doubled. Maybe that's smart but eventually it leads to ridiculous amounts af RAM. Back when Quake 4 was new (or it may have been another game but I think that was it) I was running 1gig of RAM and the game would pause quite often while the map was shuffled around between the page file and memory - especially if you moved fast. I added .5 a gig for a total of 1.5 and all my games played smoothly for at least another year after that. All you need is to get past the threshold where the page file is required regularly.

Point is 4 gig is still enough for most users but can be a bit of a restriction in some cases, 8 has a noticeable speed up in some tasks and can help with games so it's worthwhile. By the time most games need more than 8 gig to run smoothly I suspect you'll need more than a RAM upgrade. The last testing I saw on Tom's hardware showed major gains from 2-4, big gains from 4-8, and minor gains up to about 12 gig and no real improvement past that. Of course in 4 years time you might be right and 16 might seem tiny.

An interesting side note is they also decided to try going past 4 gig on a 32 bit OS and see if they could get much benefit from it. With some trickery involving RAM drives they managed to get some fairly large performance gains from 8 gig of RAM on a 32 bit OS :) Not that I'd bother, 64 bit is the way to go now.

On the other hand the cheapest time to get more RAM is when you build the PC, adding 16 gig to start with is certainly cheaper than starting with 8 then upgrading sometime later if it becomes necessary. Me I build a new gaming machine about every 2 years, sometimes sooner, sometimes longer, but 2 on average. Because of that I don't really need to future proof anything, my old gaming PC usually gets demoted to general purpose backup PC and I sell off the one from before that.

SolMiester
27-09-2013, 01:14 PM
Only issue is that the 1155 socket motherboards are a dead end, you have no upgrade path. Also that motherboard is out of stock. I had a friend who was trying to get one to go with a 3770k, we couldn't find a board from asrock, asus or gigabyte in stock which would do 8x/8x sli. Ended up having to go with the 4770k and a 1150 board. Sure Ivy is a valid option (haswell is like a 10% performance difference iirc) but finding decent 1155 parts is an issue.

Yes, 1150 is a dead platform, but then again, how many gens do you get out of 1 socket on Intel....Haswell successor will probably only be another 10% increment on performance and not worth upgrading from Haswell, so the next processor after that will be a new socket anyway.

As for the Asrock Z77 extreme, I just put that as a marker for the Asrock board, personally, I like the mATA boards like Pro4...either will work and the mATA will be cheaper anyway.

ZacDaMan72
28-09-2013, 08:48 AM
In what ways has your laptop become a bottleneck?

For schoolwork I have been having to use Sony Vegas, Photoshop CS5 etc and the Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz and the 4GB of ram make it lag extremely. Games also run at around 15-20fps because of the 512mb graphics chip. So really its time to retire the laptop and get a desktop to last for around 5 years.

My mate who works in IT told me to email him a list of parts then he'd ask around to get the best deal. So I made this...

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($464.55)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($122.55)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-C ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($204.25)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($113.05)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($150.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($122.55)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 4GB Video Card ($499.95)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.05)
Power Supply: Raidmax 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($171.00)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($137.30)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($219.00)
Total: $2356.20

icow
28-09-2013, 10:38 AM
For schoolwork I have been having to use Sony Vegas, Photoshop CS5 etc and the Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz and the 4GB of ram make it lag extremely. Games also run at around 15-20fps because of the 512mb graphics chip. So really its time to retire the laptop and get a desktop to last for around 5 years.

My mate who works in IT told me to email him a list of parts then he'd ask around to get the best deal. So I made this...

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($464.55)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($122.55)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-C ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($204.25)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($113.05)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($150.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($122.55)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 4GB Video Card ($499.95)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.05)
Power Supply: Raidmax 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($171.00)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($137.30)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($219.00)
Total: $2356.20

CPU Cooler, the gain you get from the h60 over the 212+ is not worth the $70 price difference. Put that into the gpu. Raidmax for a power supply is also a big no. Pick on from the strongly recommend catagory here: http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/472748/?s= I also find it impossible to recommend a 760 for $500 when you can get a 7970 for the same price which will beat the 760 in ever benchmark: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/854?vs=768 (including thermal and noise benchmarks), if you want a nVidia card get a 770 or nothing (http://anandtech.com/bench/product/829?vs=768).

Agent_24
28-09-2013, 02:58 PM
x2 for ditching the Raidmax, they're junk.

After you pay $2000+ for a system, do you really want to trust all that to some cheap-ass PSU?

ZacDaMan72
29-09-2013, 06:32 PM
I didn't know that Raidmax was rubbish, so I went with the Corsair HX850.

SolMiester
30-09-2013, 03:42 PM
CPU Cooler, the gain you get from the h60 over the 212+ is not worth the $70 price difference. Put that into the gpu. Raidmax for a power supply is also a big no. Pick on from the strongly recommend catagory here: http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/472748/?s= I also find it impossible to recommend a 760 for $500 when you can get a 7970 for the same price which will beat the 760 in ever benchmark: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/854?vs=768 (including thermal and noise benchmarks), if you want a nVidia card get a 770 or nothing (http://anandtech.com/bench/product/829?vs=768).

I wouldnt get a 4GB 760, but didnt know you could get a 7970 for the same price?..LOL, AMD have to give them away now eh?...and I would never recommend the 770, its so overpriced its not funny!