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LiMiT
07-05-2013, 06:33 PM
Hi, I have little knowledge about laptops so I thought I could ask here :) Im looking for a gaming laptop that can run
games like battlefield 3 and 4, league of legends, counter strike go. I have around 1.25k to spend. Where should I start looking and what should I be looking for in a gaming laptop.

Any ideas? :)

Cheers

Speedy Gonzales
07-05-2013, 06:39 PM
Might need double that for one thats fast enough

8ftmetalhaed
07-05-2013, 06:46 PM
pretty much. what Speedy said.
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/notebooks/componentlist.asp?parttypeid=32&t=0

My laptop was 1.2k ish and can run games like left for dead 2, tf2, etc, but it struggles at times and generally pushes 90-100 degrees while doing so. I imagine playing battlefield 4 on a 1.2k laptop would end up netting you about the same, even with minimal graphics.

Why do you have to have a laptop? If it's for fiddling with while you're at uni or whatever, you should be able to find one that will do minimum settings on most games. If it's something you intend to regularly game on and want decent settings, I don't think 1.2k is enough.

You could get an ok desktop for about 1.2k though.

oh and edit, as for general what to look for sort of tips; decent amounts of ram (or spare ram slots to add more later), the best GPU and CPU you can afford, from a decent manufacturer.
Ones like Acer, HP's consumer brands, etc should be avoided where possible.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/laptop-malfunction-rates/

PPp
07-05-2013, 08:56 PM
Oxymoron, (examples ex wikipedia)
Bitter sweet
Deafening silence
Dry drunk
Forward retreat
Irregular pattern
Quiet riot
Serious joke
Sweet sorrow
Add to that Laptop :high resource games.
Gaming Computers come at one end of the spectrum and laptops tend to be at the other end. It is possible to get a reasonably priced desktop computer(not branded) to get a satisfactory rendition of some of these games, but it would be best to do some research first. Do take the minimum specs quoted on the packaging with a dose of skepticism.

Winston001
07-05-2013, 09:22 PM
"Fraid I'm not much help but my son has just been through this. He wanted the Samsung Series 7 but it comes at a gold plated price. He settled on the MSI GE 70 which has a 17" screen and beautiful graphics. But not cheap at $2k.

http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=368/ID=20328/SID=402315792/productdetails.html

dugimodo
07-05-2013, 10:47 PM
And not to piss off Winston's son or anything but that laptop still has only fair graphics performance, roughly equivalent to a desktop GTS 450 which would be considered low end in a desktop gamer. I'm sure it can play most games but at reduced settings for the more demanding ones. It's a fairly strong CPU and a mediocre graphics card which is common at that price. For gaming an i5 would do the Job with a decent graphics card but they just don't make laptops like that much, generally all the parts get better with price but the Graphics card is the last thing that gets upgraded as price goes up so that the only "true" gaming laptops are in the 3-4K and up price range.

Someone could make a sub 2K laptop aimed at budget gamers but no one seems willing. there is the MSI GX60 http://www.playtech.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=39235&CATID=511&ID=20002&SID=854103852&ref=pricespy http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gx60-gaming-laptop-radeon-hd-7970m,3478.html which has a high end graphics card (for a laptop) paired with a fairly weak CPU - for graphics intensive games it'd be great but for CPU heavy titles it might struggle. Ideally you'd want the CPU to be a bit better but it's the best gamer in it's price range I'd think.

Winston001
07-05-2013, 11:04 PM
LOL ok we'll keep that between us. :D He loves it and he's a good lad.

8ftmetalhaed
07-05-2013, 11:16 PM
it seemse fairly decent to me, as far as laptops go.

Ninjabear
07-05-2013, 11:40 PM
Agree

I bought a 1.2k ish laptop. I also have Left 4 dead 2 but the graphics wasn't pretty and playing things like Dead Island wasn't pretty. Lagged a bit. I can still imagine that zombie killing me while I was lagging

LiMiT
08-05-2013, 08:24 PM
Hi what about something like this http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/laptops/laptops/acer/auction-591094105.htm

I dont expect to be playing on ultra high settings just around medium. Which of the games I listed above would this be able to play?

8ftmetalhaed
09-05-2013, 01:12 AM
not so much. the 6470 is basically a newer version of my card. you'll not be able to expect too much out of it. League of legends shouldn't be too hard to run, nor should CS GO. Battlefield 3 and 4 I don't know though, I would imagine they'd be the trickier ones to get a decent performance out of.
That aside, Acer is a brand you should try to avoid if you can.

What are you using this for anyway? Constant gaming, a thing to have a quick play around on or what?

dugimodo
09-05-2013, 08:46 AM
If you want to game @ $1200 you have 4 viable choices
1. buy a console
2. have a gaming PC built by carefully choosing parts to fit your budget but adding the cost of a monitor it'll still be not great - better than a laptop though.
3. go second hand
4. buy the best laptop you can and accept that the graphics will have to be set for minimum on a lot of games and may not look or run well - laptop gaming @ < $2k will never be great.

Laptops with a 7670M or 630M graphics card are available around that price, might be as good as you can do and will play older games ok, just with newer titles don't expect great things.
I understand you want or need a laptop I wanted one myself. I was prepared to up to $2k so it could play games reasonably and I could take it to my monthly LAN group instead of lugging the PC, after searching all around and comparing hardware I gave up and built an itx gaming PC for around $1k with no hard drives or monitor (I have those spare). It'll seriously destroy the performance of any gaming laptop I could have bought for twice the price; i3 3220, 8Gb RAM, 650Ti boost = 1080P gaming at high settings for most games.

I don't understand why no one specs laptops like this that I can find, for gaming a good i3 with a reasonable graphics card will outperform all these i5 & i7 laptops with low to mediocre graphics cards most of the time and is powerful enough for most other things people use computers for. I suppose it's the marketing appeal of "i7" that compels them to put it in mid range laptops. That $1699 MSI laptop I linked is the closest to budget gaming laptop I could find and was quite tempting other than the slightly weak CPU.

Slankydudl
09-05-2013, 02:30 PM
Lol is supprisingly badly optimisedoptimised to get 60fps at full settings is more difficult than it should be

icow
09-05-2013, 06:30 PM
http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/468086/?s=

Spend the other $550 on ice cream.

LiMiT
09-05-2013, 09:11 PM
http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/468086/?s=

Spend the other $550 on ice cream.

Will that laptop run what I want?

LiMiT
09-05-2013, 09:11 PM
If you want to game @ $1200 you have 4 viable choices
1. buy a console
2. have a gaming PC built by carefully choosing parts to fit your budget but adding the cost of a monitor it'll still be not great - better than a laptop though.
3. go second hand
4. buy the best laptop you can and accept that the graphics will have to be set for minimum on a lot of games and may not look or run well - laptop gaming @ < $2k will never be great.

Laptops with a 7670M or 630M graphics card are available around that price, might be as good as you can do and will play older games ok, just with newer titles don't expect great things.
I understand you want or need a laptop I wanted one myself. I was prepared to up to $2k so it could play games reasonably and I could take it to my monthly LAN group instead of lugging the PC, after searching all around and comparing hardware I gave up and built an itx gaming PC for around $1k with no hard drives or monitor (I have those spare). It'll seriously destroy the performance of any gaming laptop I could have bought for twice the price; i3 3220, 8Gb RAM, 650Ti boost = 1080P gaming at high settings for most games.

I don't understand why no one specs laptops like this that I can find, for gaming a good i3 with a reasonable graphics card will outperform all these i5 & i7 laptops with low to mediocre graphics cards most of the time and is powerful enough for most other things people use computers for. I suppose it's the marketing appeal of "i7" that compels them to put it in mid range laptops. That $1699 MSI laptop I linked is the closest to budget gaming laptop I could find and was quite tempting other than the slightly weak CPU.

Already have a console, don't have any room for a desktop so yeah :)

LiMiT
09-05-2013, 09:12 PM
not so much. the 6470 is basically a newer version of my card. you'll not be able to expect too much out of it. League of legends shouldn't be too hard to run, nor should CS GO. Battlefield 3 and 4 I don't know though, I would imagine they'd be the trickier ones to get a decent performance out of.
That aside, Acer is a brand you should try to avoid if you can.

What are you using this for anyway? Constant gaming, a thing to have a quick play around on or what?

Constant gaming I guess

icow
09-05-2013, 09:53 PM
Will that laptop run what I want?

heres the gpu: http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5650.23697.0.html

Showing that it gets 22fps at medium with the gpu + old i5, that laptop has a quad core I believe, (i7 720qm = 720m?) which is one of the first generation i7's. The extra cores should see the fps jump up a bit, if you balance the settings right, turn down some filters and get the latest gpu drivers I reckon you could get 30+ fps with most things on medium. Not sure about Battlefield 4 however, I believe it also runs on the Frostbite 3 engine so the specs required I would imagine to be similar. I would expect to lose a few fps though. That laptop isn't quite up to the standard that you're after, but for $650 it's a steal.

Note: if you click on the fps's on that site it will show you the specs of the laptop used. For comparing CPU's I'd look here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

8ftmetalhaed
10-05-2013, 05:23 PM
if it's for constant gaming I would strongly recommend saving more to get something better or considering a mini PC build.

LiMiT
06-06-2013, 09:52 PM
Which of these would you recommend and why

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=601413557&permanent=0

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=599257728

Thanks

Trev
06-06-2013, 10:05 PM
As already mentioned for gaming none.
:)

Slankydudl
06-06-2013, 10:38 PM
my mate has some dell laptop that costs around $500 and it can play LoL at minimum setting, bearing in mind thats at 30fps and LoL isnt exactly a gpu intensive game.

dugimodo
07-06-2013, 09:33 AM
The Lenovo has a much better graphics card for gaming but I like Sony better as a brand. I'd go the Lenovo but as already mentioned gaming will be ok at best on a laptop in this price range.

take a look at this http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-635M.66964.0.html, there are a lot of game benchmarks at the bottom

dugimodo
07-06-2013, 09:41 AM
Found this also http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/showthread.php?132119-Gaming-Laptops&p=1166918&posted=1#post1166918
Should answer any questions about laptops graphics chips you might have.

LiMiT
07-06-2013, 09:18 PM
https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/notebooks/componentview.asp?partid=19634 Im thinking this now? Good bad? why :)

8ftmetalhaed
07-06-2013, 09:20 PM
Either of them would work really. http://pbtech.co.nz/index.php?p=news&id=178
funnily enough PB tech are having a sale on that exact laptop by the looks, starting tomorrow.

That asus looks pretty tasty on their sale page too.

LiMiT
07-06-2013, 09:35 PM
I couldnt find it on that website mind if you link?

dugimodo
08-06-2013, 09:32 AM
I believe I linked that MSI laptop in this thread a while back, great graphics card awesome for gaming, mediocre CPU - bold choice but it means it's a sub $2k laptop that will play most games at 1080P very well but occasionally won't have the CPU power to keep up in some titles. I believe it's the best gaming performance you'll get for the price, pity they don't offer it with a better CPU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lx5yikU8E seems like it'll do the job

LiMiT
08-06-2013, 06:55 PM
Does this have the AMD A10 5750m CPU or the 4600m? http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=19634

And how come the pictures are different on http://www.playtech.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=39235&CATID=511&ID=20002&SID=854103852&ref=pricespy

8ftmetalhaed
09-06-2013, 01:26 AM
not sure about the pictures. That laptop on both sites lists the Amd A10, so I can only assume it's the same one on each.
Seems alright to me, especially with that GPU.

dugimodo
09-06-2013, 08:53 AM
hard to find info but I think that model is the 4600M, there's one seller with the 5750 version in NZ and it's $2k http://www.justlaptops.net.nz/msi-top-gaming-15-6-hitman-edit-16g-7970m-2g-1080p-367?keyword=gx6
They also sell the other model with a nice bundle http://www.justlaptops.net.nz/msi-top-gaming-15-6-a10-8g-7970m-gamers-bundle-225?keyword=gx60.
Never dealt with them personally so I can't comment on service there, found them from MSIs website they only list 3 retailers in NZ, Computer Lounge, Playtech, and just laptops.

LiMiT
09-06-2013, 11:43 AM
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=368/ID=20002/SID=854103852/productdetails.html Playtech has it listed as the
AMD A10 5750m

The Error Guy
09-06-2013, 11:57 AM
FYI the Laptop I have now (Pavillion Dv7, ATi 6770M with i7 2630QM (2GHz) ) cost $1600 in its day and will run BF3 pretty darn nicely.

Don't get strung up with the ultra high performance machines ;)

icow
09-06-2013, 06:27 PM
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/notebooks/componentview.asp?partid=19634

Same laptop that Dugimodo linked above. I'd imagine the A10 isn't great but you're getting a 7970m for $1500...

dugimodo
09-06-2013, 10:41 PM
I can't be certain but I think playtech may have it wrong, it's the same model number and price as the ones everyone else seems to list as the 4600M version, pay to confirm with them.
It is a very tempting laptop, would consider one myself if I didn't already have too many PC's