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R.M.
22-01-2013, 08:27 PM
What should I use to find out speeds - uploads & downloads? And what should I expect?

The son asked that the other night - I couldn't answer him :( We were using Facetime on our iPads (oh dear - I have admitted to going to the dark side....).

Nick G
22-01-2013, 08:38 PM
www.speedtest.net

Edit - Let's turn this into a 'what's your speed' thread! :banana
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2453602150.png

R.M.
22-01-2013, 08:56 PM
10.69 Download
.58 Upload

Comments?

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2453624554.png

wainuitech
22-01-2013, 09:06 PM
Speed test is not that accurate , in fact its often slower than other tests.

Matrix64
22-01-2013, 09:09 PM
If you have a poor result always call your isp and get them to run a Prequalification for your address. That will give you what phsyical line rate you should have at the address.

Then get them to check what sync rate your modem has. It should be close to that estimation for your address. If it isnt, this would be something phsyical like filters / modem / bad line.

If your sync rates are close to what you should be getting, time to run the speedtest (speedtest.net or your own ISP's one). Your speedtest should be at least 80% of your said line rate. If it isnt, you have a throughput problem. If your speedtests are within margin to your dsl sync rates. This is the maximum speed you expect to get at your house.

Most common things ive had for throughput is bad modem or WIFI interferrence.

Cheers

wainuitech
22-01-2013, 09:14 PM
Agree with Matrix, IF I use other Speed tests like telstras or telecoms, it actually gives a lot more accurate to what I'm meant to be getting.

Chilling_Silence
22-01-2013, 09:54 PM
Must be the slowest it's ever been for me since changing to 2talk:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2453698802.png

wainuitech
22-01-2013, 10:06 PM
Speed test is not accurate as Isaid before.

Heres an example:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2453709658.png From Speed test :yuck:

Now the real speed, better averages, tested both from Telecoms and Telstra Speed test, both within 5 Mbps

4687

Slankydudl
23-01-2013, 12:01 AM
I would love to get 80mbps.... Instead i get around 10.

pctek
23-01-2013, 07:25 AM
Telecom test: 13.91
Speedtest.net: 13.85

Matrix64
23-01-2013, 12:06 PM
Speedtest has always been pretty acurate for me... I also have had a lot of people report to me that speedtest is selecting far away locations for its test servers for some people. Ive had these reports the last few weeks, people in auckland getting speedtested automatically on wellington servers.

Is anyone else having that trouble? My understanding is the applet pings the servers, and uses the one with the best latency. One person had complained to me because he thinks we are routing his traffic to wellington first before anywhere else and thats why speedtest.net was testing fastest on wellington.

wainuitech
23-01-2013, 12:23 PM
Wouldn't trust speed test as far I could throw it, it not consistent.

heres some results.

Default location

Down:12.34 http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455401354.png

Change server to Napier:21.82 http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455406034.png

Change server to Auckland : 34.47 http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455408085.png

Lets go south to ChCh 63.26 http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455409836.png

Now try it on Telstra Speed test and Telecom speed test close enough to identical 83.78
4693

The Max I can get is 100

SolMiester
23-01-2013, 12:32 PM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455428465.png

Chilling_Silence
23-01-2013, 01:21 PM
No I would suggest those are indicative of real-world conditions there wainuitech. You may max out at 100, but that's only you back to your ISP. From there, whatever peering arrangements they subsequently have with other ISP's or peering exchanges is completely up to them.

Download WinMTR for me and run traceroutes for say 60 seconds to the following:
nzherald.co.nz
2talk.co.nz
ts.vgn.co.nz
maxnet.co.nz

I'd be curious to see what you get!

pctek
23-01-2013, 02:16 PM
No I would suggest those are indicative of real-world conditions there wainuitech. You may max out at 100, but that's only you back to your ISP. From there, whatever peering arrangements they subsequently have with other ISP's or peering exchanges is completely up to them.

yeah, I was going to point that out.....anyway real world is the performance you get when accessing the net or downloading or whatever. Tests are OK, but how long it takes to download or lag on video is the real importance.

Mines OK, so I'm not complaining.

jonovw
23-01-2013, 02:33 PM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455592437.png mine is so sloooooooooooooooooooooow

im supposed to get at least 10

Chilling_Silence
23-01-2013, 03:12 PM
Supposed to according to what, jonovw?

wainuitech
23-01-2013, 03:40 PM
No I would suggest those are indicative of real-world conditions there wainuitech. You may max out at 100, but that's only you back to your ISP. From there, whatever peering arrangements they subsequently have with other ISP's or peering exchanges is completely up to them.

Download WinMTR for me and run traceroutes for say 60 seconds to the following:
nzherald.co.nz
2talk.co.nz
ts.vgn.co.nz
maxnet.co.nz

I'd be curious to see what you get! The whole idea of a speed test is to test the line speeds for bottle necks etc.

if you run any speed test from who ever at different times of day then of course they will be slower during the end of business days,and generally school holidays.

I found out for some reason Telstra was throttling me back a while back, when they looked there was no reason, so the guy set it to go to what I Was meant to have. Funny thing is with Speedtest it didn't make any difference, but Telstras own it was a vast improvement. Yes it may have been direct, but that's the point whats the connection capable of, not the fact the half the country is suddenly downloading the latest movie or some thing and that's causing slowness.

If that's anyone elses point of speedtest, that's easy to fudge, just do them when most people are asleep and theres less WAN Traffic - but that's false results.

Re those test/results you asked about -- What figures do you actually want ???? - Looking at the packets sent/lost its perfect 100 % sent/Received. Ping speeds are all up and down depending on which address is entered ??

Ping times Via Telstra Verse actual download speed don't seem to make a much difference.

Just ran 3 tests, fastest ping was 14ms - resulting in 84.15 Slowest was 28ms - 83.75

Chilling_Silence
23-01-2013, 04:29 PM
It'll show the routing, how you're getting to X or Y. It won't show where the speed is being "reduced" but it'll give you an idea if there's some stupid routing like perhaps going to Aus and back again (Does happen).

So yes, the speed test will test the line speeds. Right now your connection and throughput to your ISP seems good, and it seems that they're peering with the likes of Telstra / Telecom quickly, but the others are quite possibly going through some other route where they don't have sufficient bandwidth.

So what you've proven so far with your speed tests is your connection to your ISP is good, but from there, they really leave something to be desired...
What are your speeds like internationally? Say to Sydney?

wainuitech
23-01-2013, 04:57 PM
Using Speedtest.net, bit up and down to Aust, but close to the same as NZ locations.

Using http://www.ozspeedtest.com/ its around 55.?? to 59.??

Chilling_Silence
23-01-2013, 04:58 PM
This is what I get:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455715039.png <- Auckland / Worldnet
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455737034.png <- Wellington / Citylink
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455744122.png <- Christchurch / Snap
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455748662.png <- Sydney / Internode
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2455759258.png <- Sydney / Telstra

Now granted my speeds are slower VDSL2 (Because I'm so far from the Cabinet) but you see how they're all the same? ;)

wainuitech
23-01-2013, 05:19 PM
One thing I 've found over the years, for some reason if you use Speedtest.net with a cable connection ( like Telstra) its always up and down and never reads consistent. Yet using ADSL of what ever flavour a person has, it reads more consistent.

Getting data from where ever its coming from is never ( or hardly ever) at the max a person can download Via speedtest. Theres been times when getting stuff from technet is so damn fast you dont even have time to make a cuppa, others its :sleep

Just downloading the new "Client Restore Disc: Windows Server 2012 Essentials (x86 and x64)" its coming through between 4-6 MB/s Go bring the car in, and it should be done. Yet when downloading Office 2013 it was give up at the time lucky to hit 1MB/s

Kind of need the restore CD if I'm trying out Server 2012 Essentials ( replacement for SBS &WHS) :D

Chilling_Silence
23-01-2013, 05:23 PM
Yeah and depending on where that's coming from it'll be either:
Congestion with your ISPs handover somewhere along the line to Microsoft
Or
Microsofts servers that you're using are saturated so not giving off full speeds

A traceroute will give you an indication as to where the server is, lets say it's an Auckland-local mirror. That means if you're getting 80mbps locally to a variety of other servers, the issue is at Microsofts end (They're not likely to care)
However if you only get 10mbps to other places locally, then you can point the finger at your ISP (Also not really likely to care much)....