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SurferJoe46
06-11-2012, 06:15 PM
I got this from my latest run of Belarc Adviser:::

361.18 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
331.23 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

SONY DVD RW DRU-810A [Optical drive]
3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]

Generic STORAGE DEVICE USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 2
KODAK ESP AiO MEM CARD USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 3
Maxtor 6E040L0 [Hard drive] (41.11 GB) -- drive 1, s/n E1F0KW2E, rev NAR61590, SMART Status: Healthy
SOYO USB Storage-CFC USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 4
SOYO USB Storage-SMC USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 5
WDC WD3200AAJB-00J3A0 [Hard drive] (320.07 GB) -- drive 0, s/n WD-WCAV26168031, rev 01.03E01, SMART Status: Healthy

But every cold boot takes several attempts.

Sometimes the NTLDR is missing, other times the load stops with the B/W load bar just frozen.

Other problems are the beads in the XP start up freeze and other times (a LOT of times) the 'Adobe Flash Player has Just Crashed' note comes up.

If I wait a while after the request for CTRL-ALT-DEL and just let it sit there, I can hit the power kill button and it'll boot up just fine.

I once in a while get a problem with Adobe, like I said - but I can be doing something and all of a sudden I have no windows open and I'm at the desktop.

I've run every conceivable test I can think of, several anti-programs including Spybot S&D with FULL Immunization - HJT, MSE, CCleaner, Super Antispyware, etc, etc. Nada.

I honestly suspect a dying hdd - but the report of them being healthy makes me halt and I'm looking elsewhere.

This is my oldest unit - and I want to get it all up to speed, and it has all the M$ updates and Hotfixes and SPs.

Is there anything here about which to worry?

Software Licenses (I removed the key numbers)

Belarc - Advisor 99827cbe
B.H.A - B'sCLiP
B.H.A - B's Recorder GOLD5
CyberLink - PowerDVD
Microsoft - Internet Explorer
Microsoft - WebFldrs XP
Microsoft - Windows XP Professional




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Adobe Reader and Acrobat Manager Version 1.6.5.0
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Adobe Reader Version 10.1.4.38

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Adobe Systems, Inc. - Shockwave Flash Version 11,3,300,271

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Adobe Systems, Inc. - Shockwave Flash Version 11,4,402,265
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Adobe® Flash® Player Update Service Version 11,4,402,287

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Apple Inc. - Bonjour Version 1,0,6,2

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Apple Inc. - QuickTime QuickTime 7.7.2 (1680.56)
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Apple Push What's this?

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Apple Software Update Version 2.1.3
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Audacity

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B's CLiP

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B.H.A Co.,Ltd. - B's Recorder GOLD5 Version 5, 2, 0, 0

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B.H.A Corporation - B's Erase Version 1.07

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B.H.A Corporation. - B's Player Version 2, 1, 1, 0
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Belarc, Inc. - Advisor Version 8.2g
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C-Media - C-Media Audio Application Version 2, 2, 1, 3

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C-Media Corporation - CmiUSBUninstall Application Version 1, 0, 1, 7

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Cinematronics - 3D Pinball Version 5.1.2600.5512

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Cmi3DPlayer Application Version 1, 0, 0, 7
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CyberLink Corp. - PowerDVD Version 4.00.2012

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Data Export Application Version 1, 0, 1, 0
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DVD Shrink Version 3.2.0.15
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Eastman Kodak Company - EKDiscovery Module Version 4, 2, 7, 2
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Eastman Kodak Company - KODAK AiO Home Center Version 4.2.7.7
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Eastman Kodak Company - KODAK AiO Printer Driver Version 5.4.6

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Eastman Kodak Company - NetworkPrinterDiscovery Version 4.2.7.7

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EnDisService Application Version 5, 3, 0, 0

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Google Chrome Version 21.0.1180.89

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Google Chrome Version 22.0.1229.94
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Google Drive Version 1.5.3654.684
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Google Earth Version 6.2.2.6613
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Google Inc. - Picasa Photo Viewer Version 3.9.0
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Google Inc. - Picasa Version 3.9.0
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Google Talk Version 1,0,0,104
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Google Update Version 1.3.21.103
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Google Updater Version 2.0.711.37800.beta

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HELI Application Version 1, 0, 0, 1
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HotSync® Manager, Palm Desktop Version 4.1.0
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KODAK EasyShare Software Version 6, 0, 1, 17

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Macromedia, Inc. - Flash 5.0 Version 5,0,42,0

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Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder Version 2.0.8.3

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MediaInfo

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Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7.0.18066
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Microsoft Corporation - Internet Explorer Version 8.00.6001.18702
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Microsoft Corporation - Messenger Version 4.7.3001

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Microsoft Corporation - Silverlight Plug-In Version 5.1.10411.0
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Microsoft Corporation - Windows Installer - Unicode Version 3.1.4001.5512
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Microsoft Corporation - Windows Movie Maker Version 2.1.4028.0

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Microsoft Corporation - Windows® NetMeeting® Version 3.01

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Microsoft Corporation - Zone.com Version 1.2.626.1

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Microsoft Data Access Components Version 3.525.1132.0
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Microsoft Malware Protection Version 4.1.0522.0
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Microsoft Security Client Version 4.1.0522.0

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Microsoft(R) MSN (R) Communications System Version 7.02.0005.2202
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Microsoft(R) Windows Media Player Version 10.00.00.3802

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Microsoft® .NET Framework Version 2.0.50727.3053

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Microsoft® .NET Framework Version 3.0.6920.4021

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Microsoft® .NET Framework Version 4.0.40305.0

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Microsoft® Silverlight Version 5.1.10411.0
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Microsoft® Windows(TM) Shell PowerToys Version 96.02.06

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MONOGRAM Multimedia, s.r.o. - DSConfig Version 1.0.0.1
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Mozilla Corporation - Firefox Version 16.0.2

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Mozilla Foundation - Firefox Version 16.0.2
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MPC-HC Team - Media Player Classic - Home Cinema Version 1, 6, 2, 4902
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OpenOffice.org 2.4 Version 2.03.9307

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Palm Desktop Version 4.0.0
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Palm Desktop Version 4.1.0
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Piriform Ltd - CCleaner Version 3, 0, 0, 1310
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Safer Networking Limited - Secure Shredder Version 1.9.0.0
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Safer Networking Limited - Spybot - Search & Destroy Version 1, 5, 2, 0

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Safer Networking Limited - Spybot - Search & Destroy Version 1, 6, 0, 0
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Safer Networking Limited - Spybot - Search & Destroy Version 1.6.0.3
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Safer Networking Limited - SpyBot-S&D Version 1, 6, 2, 0
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Setup/Uninstall
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Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U33 Version 6.0.330.3

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SuperAdBlocker.com - BootSafe Application Version 2, 0, 0, 1000
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SUPERAdBlocker.com and SUPERAntiSpyware.com - SUPERAntiSpyware Alternate Start Tool Version 1, 0, 0, 1124
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SUPERAntiSpyware Version 5, 1, 0, 1002
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SUPERAntiSpyware.com - Core Service Version 1, 0, 0, 1066

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System Diagnostic
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Trend Micro Inc. - HijackThis Version 2.00.0004

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unopkg.exe

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UpdateIPR.exe

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Web Assistant Updater

Paul.Cov
06-11-2012, 08:37 PM
Hi Joe,

Flash has been very unstable for ages, so put that issue aside as a possible secondary issue.

I'm picking the poor startup until warmed up is a weak PSU or bad caps on the mobo somewhere.

HDD's usually work better when cold, so I'm picking the drives are fine.

Maybe try to reduce the load on it by disconnecting the second HDD and see if it'll boot from cold any better then.

SurferJoe46
06-11-2012, 09:11 PM
Kinda what I expect I guess.

It's pretty old -- one of the first XP units and it's prolly too long in the tooth to be resurrectable I guess.
<sigh>

And why do I have Apple Push in it?

Nick G
06-11-2012, 09:14 PM
If its the psu just buy a replacement. If its the mobo......bye bye computer.

SurferJoe46
06-11-2012, 09:17 PM
I think I have another SOYO Plat-Dragon mother here somewhere.

Speedy Gonzales
06-11-2012, 10:19 PM
Run tdsskiller on it, see if you've picked up a rootkit. Rootkits can cause slow booting, and they can also crash things on startup. I wouldnt rely on SMART, its not reliable

Java is out of date so is ccleaner, and are there 3 different versions of spybot in Add/remove programs?? You only need one. Run ccleaner and look under scheduled tasks under tools/startup. Delete the flash entry

Agent_24
06-11-2012, 11:48 PM
Loose cables or faulty PSU or such would be my guess

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 04:50 AM
Remember that I'm on the other side of the International Date Line - so some of my responses will be a little delayed. I'm not an ingrate nor am I ignoring this information - I'm just up at different hours.

I'm going to try that 'tdsskiller ' - hope springs eternal I'm afraid. Thanks heaps and I'll report back what did/did not happen.

Speedy Gonzales
07-11-2012, 08:36 AM
I would also run ccleaner, go to tools/startup. Click on save to text file, bottom right. Copy and paste the txt in here. Do the same thing, after going to tools/uninstall. We'll see what else is installed

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 08:51 AM
I'm firing up the SOYO as we speak. Give me a few more minutes

I'm on my Eee-PC Asus at the mo.

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 09:01 AM
OK - here on the SOYO and just got the tdsskiller.exe and am going to run it right now.

I'll get back here after the re-boot - hopefully.

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 09:10 AM
The Kaspersky tdsskiller test came back NEGATIVE - No threats found.

Now onto the CCleaner ----------------------


And here we are:::

Adobe Flash Player 11 ActiveX Adobe Systems Incorporated 11.3.300.270
Adobe Flash Player 11 Plugin Adobe Systems Incorporated 11.4.402.287
Adobe Reader X (10.1.4) Adobe Systems Incorporated 10.1.4
Apple Application Support Apple Inc. 2.1.7
Apple Software Update Apple Inc. 2.1.3.127
Audacity 1.2.6
B's CLiP
Belarc Advisor 8.2 Belarc Inc. 8.2.7.15
BHA B's Recorder GOLD 5.20
Bonjour Apple Inc. 1.0.106
CCleaner Piriform 3.00
CLIE SCSI Driver 1.00.030819.1
Data Export 1.0.1.0
DVD Shrink 3.2 DVD Shrink
Google Chrome Google Inc. 22.0.1229.94
Google Drive Google, Inc. 1.5.3654.684
Google Earth Google 6.2.2.6613
Google Talk (remove only)
HiJackThis Trend Micro 1.0.0
HijackThis 1.99.1 Soeperman Enterprises Ltd. 1.99.1
Java(TM) 6 Update 33 Oracle 6.0.330
Java(TM) 6 Update 4 Sun Microsystems, Inc. 1.6.0.40
K-Lite Codec Pack 8.9.5 (Standard) 8.9.5
KODAK AiO Home Center Eastman Kodak Company 4.2.7.7
Kodak EasyShare software Eastman Kodak Company
Magical Jelly Bean KeyFinder Magical Jelly Bean 2.0.8.4
Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 Microsoft Corporation 2.2.30729
Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 2 Microsoft Corporation 3.2.30729
Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 Microsoft Corporation
Microsoft Security Essentials Microsoft Corporation 4.1.522.0
Microsoft Silverlight Microsoft Corporation 5.1.10411.0
Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable Microsoft Corporation 8.0.61001
Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable - x86 9.0.30729.17 Microsoft Corporation 9.0.30729
Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable - x86 9.0.30729.6161 Microsoft Corporation 9.0.30729.6161
Mozilla Firefox 16.0.2 (x86 en-US) Mozilla 16.0.2
Mozilla Maintenance Service Mozilla 16.0.2
MPC-HC 1.6.2.4902 MPC-HC Team 1.6.2.4902
MSXML 4.0 SP2 (KB954430) Microsoft Corporation 4.20.9870.0
MSXML 4.0 SP2 (KB973688) Microsoft Corporation 4.20.9876.0
MSXML 6.0 Parser (KB933579) Microsoft Corporation 6.10.1200.0
OpenOffice.org 2.4 OpenOffice.org 2.4.9310
Palm Desktop Palm, Inc. 4.1
PCI Audio Driver
Picasa 3 Google, Inc. 3.8
PowerDVD
QuickTime Apple Inc. 7.72.80.56
QuickTime Alternative 3.1.0 3.1.0
Spybot - Search & Destroy Safer Networking Limited 1.6.2
SUPERAntiSpyware SUPERAntiSpyware.com 5.1.1002
Tweak UI
Watchtower Library 2009 - English Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. 11.0
Watchtower Library 2011 - English Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. 13.0
Web Assistant 2.0.0.445 IB
Windows Feature Pack for Storage (32-bit) - IMAPI update for Blu-Ray Microsoft Corporation 1.0
Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool (KB892130) Microsoft Corporation
Windows Internet Explorer 8 Microsoft Corporation 20090308.140743
Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin Microsoft Corp 1.0.0.8
Windows XP Service Pack 3 Microsoft Corporation 20080414.031525
Xtreme Sound PCI

linw
07-11-2012, 09:49 AM
I can't see any reference to running chkdsk. That would be one of my first actions in spite of the 'Healthy' reports in Belarc.

BBCmicro
07-11-2012, 09:51 AM
I had a start-up problem like that. Turned out to be memory. I ran bootdisc Memtest86 (or whatever it's called) and could see the errors get less as the machine warmed up. Then confirmed the diagnosis by replacing the memory and getting no more problems

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 09:56 AM
I can't see any reference to running chkdsk. That would be one of my first actions in spite of the 'Healthy' reports in Belarc.

I ran that the other day - maybe a week ago now that I think of it. Although it took what seemed to be forever, nothing changed of which I could tell.


I had a start-up problem like that. Turned out to be memory. I ran bootdisc Memtest86 (or whatever it's called) and could see the errors get less as the machine warmed up. Then confirmed the diagnosis by replacing the memory and getting no more problems

Let me research a link for that - but doesn't it require a floppy slot that's actually working? If so - maybe there's a USB Stick version. ? ?

Agent_24
07-11-2012, 10:05 AM
Let me research a link for that - but doesn't it require a floppy slot that's actually working? If so - maybe there's a USB Stick version. ? ?

They have versions for Floppy, CD and USB. Download which one you prefer here:
http://www.memtest.org/#downiso

Speedy Gonzales
07-11-2012, 10:15 AM
Looks ok to me, but both versions of flash and java are out of date. So is ccleaner. So is hijackthis, and chrome now. 23.x is out now. Flash is now up to 11.5. And Java 1.6. update 37. Or 7 update 9.

Is teatimer enabled in Spybot?? If it is disable it. What about the entries in startup??

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 10:16 AM
Thank-you. Thank-you very much.

mikebartnz
07-11-2012, 11:15 AM
Loose cables or faulty PSU or such would be my guess
+1

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 11:23 AM
OK - I'll take it apart and check it out after the MemScan.

1101
07-11-2012, 01:31 PM
quoteth from Joe
"But every cold boot takes several attempts.
Sometimes the NTLDR is missing, other times the load stops with the B/W load bar just frozen. "

It could easily be a hard drive issue, even though it passes "Smart" . I have had faulty HD's that could pass every test you
throw at them . Drives can fail when cold , (dont we all though)

Could be any number of things, Im guessing HardDrive issues though. A bit of a tough one if you dont have spare parts
to swap out for testing/diag

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 01:51 PM
On my Nexus right now - the SOYO is, er --- BUSY testing it's RAM.

I have a couple of slightly used hdds that I can substitute. One even has Win 98SE in it that was on this same puter, so it should fire right up.

GAWD! I bet it needs a week's worth of updates by now too.

Hehehehe --- I also found a 5400 RPM hdd with W-ME on it! Talk about 'dated' huh? That was the most supreme piece of junk ever foisted on computers by M$. Just a big joke --- kinda like Linux. (don't tell Chill I said that - OK?)

Nick G
07-11-2012, 02:04 PM
On my linux powered Nexus right now - the SOYO is, er --- BUSY testing it's RAM.

I have a couple of slightly used hdds that I can substitute. One even has Win 98SE in it that was on this same puter, so it should fire right up.

GAWD! I bet it needs a week's worth of updates by now too.

Hehehehe --- I also found a 5400 RPM hdd with W-ME on it! Talk about 'dated' huh? That was the most supreme piece of junk ever foisted on computers by M$. Just a big joke --- kinda like Linux. (don't tell Chill I said that - OK?)
You saying your nexus is a big joke there Joe? :D

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 02:52 PM
As long as I don't have to be the guy who installs it it's fine w/me.

TeaTimer is not running in the SOYO.

dugimodo
07-11-2012, 04:49 PM
You could just plug the 98se drive in and boot from it a few times from cold. If it doesn't display the same issue it would indicate it's probably the other drive. No real need to actually update or use 98 for anything other than boot testing.

If it seems like it is the drive you will need to consider whether to bite the bullet and reinstall from scratch on another hard drive or attempt to clone the current setup onto another drive.

Also are you leaving anything plugged into a USB port or any disks in the optical drive or anything like that? some machines do weird things and look for boot files in the wrong place when they see other potential boot devices attached. Usually setting the main hard drive as the first or only boot device fixes this, but not always.

A couple weeks back I spent 20 mins trying to fix a friends PC that froze when rebooting while I was sitting there, turns out it was the smartphone left plugged in to charge that was preventing it from booting. I felt a bit foolish when I figured that out - Step 1. for boot issues, remove all unecessary peripherals, disks, etc and try again.

SurferJoe46
07-11-2012, 05:11 PM
I tried stripping all the peripheral devices and it seems to make no difference.

One peculiarity I still have is Chrome loads up even if I'm not using it at boot, and I go into Task Manager and kill the process and nothing seems to suffer at all - so I think it's a call by Firefox to get it running - I dunnow.

If I actually bring in the real Chrome browser, I get about 6-7 copies of it running in the Task Manager and I think that's odd.

At the same time, the mouse can freeze and then I have to wait for it to un-freeze which usually takes a few seconds at most.

There are no SD cards nor any other media in any of the USB ports or any of the ported devices (printer, powered USB) and the floppy is disconnected the Molex, as I don't use it at all - so when I thought I was having low power problems from the PSU, I took it outta the chain and just never put it back.

Funny thing is that this unit has been running quite impressively for years with pretty much this same setup and not much has changed but my ISP and that was a year ago. I cannot fathom anything that's causing this grief.

OH - I DO have an archiving SATA hd that is in an enclosure, but I only turn it on when I want to save something -- like to protect myself from drive-by Linux installations. It isn't on much at all and has never given me any grief.

mikebartnz
07-11-2012, 05:49 PM
One peculiarity I still have is Chrome loads up even if I'm not using it at boot, and I go into Task Manager and kill the process and nothing seems to suffer at all - so I think it's a call by Firefox to get it running - I dunnow.
Chrome is Chrome and Firefox is Firefox so Chrome loading at boot has nothing to do with FF but Google usually have a couple of things loading on startup.

mikebartnz
07-11-2012, 05:58 PM
A couple weeks back I spent 20 mins trying to fix a friends PC that froze when rebooting while I was sitting there, turns out it was the smartphone left plugged in to charge that was preventing it from booting. I felt a bit foolish when I figured that out - Step 1. for boot issues, remove all unecessary peripherals, disks, etc and try again.
We've all been caught out with something like that but you wish you could kick yourself at the time.

SurferJoe46
09-11-2012, 09:56 AM
OK - report time.

The RAM test proved nothing at all.

So I got to dinking with the system and decided to dump Chrome all together. I got tired of seeing it load up at least one instance of itself via my Task Manager even when I wasn't using Chrome.

If I turned Chrome on - I'd get a dozen or so versions of it running and turing it off they'd stay there in the T/M with the exception of the one that I'd kill on the web - or so I thought.

Taking Chrome completely out of the system - SO FAR has completely solved my instability and problems holding a web page. FWIW: I also took Firefox out and reinstalled it to get a clean version in case the one I had was messed up somehow.

Before I took Chrome out, I'd wind up back at a naked desktop and lose my WMP and any browser I'd have open.

Everything would crash and both FF and M$ would ask me to send crash reports. I got tired of that and as nothing changed anyway - I took this last drastic measure upon myself.

What amazed me was that WMP10 would crash too. Go figger! .

To be honest, I had taken the URLs for some of Loadcaster Streaming Systems and just inserted them into my WMP10 player and would access them from there. I couldn't trust FF or Chrome to hold the page and it would crash whenever it felt like it.

Now - a couple of hours after taking Chrome out - no more crashes.

Next? I'll try a cold boot in the AM, but I'm gonna let things run here since things are so-o-o good right now!

Hey - my FF built-in spell-checker is working again - and CORRECTLY too!!!!! This is very good!

Nice what a clean installation can do. But stay tuned - there may be much more to this story.

mikebartnz
09-11-2012, 10:26 AM
:thumbs: