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mchaggis
28-01-2012, 04:28 PM
Hi Guys,

I'm in need of a new PC and I'm looking for a decent supplier that is reliable, has good prices, good advise and delivers on time.

The last time I tried this I dealt with PC Gear in Dunedin and that turned into 3 months of lies and delays. I'm NOT going there again!

I'm not 100% sure what I'm after but something along the lines of:

i7 ??.?GHz but socket what ?
A decent MB. Gigabyte?
8Gb Mem or more
2 x 500Gb or so decent fast HD's (I use one for the OS and the other of user data files)
a decent 1Gb Geforce? graphics card
case with P/S 750 Watts?
optical drive say DVD burner etc 24x
card reader

OS windows 7 Home prem (it's for home use. Mainly used for Internet, MS Office, MYOB, Games, photos, etc) or should I go to Pro?
Also looking for a good screen. Samsung 24"?

Budget is around 1.5 to 2k or am I dreaming? LOL

Looking forward to getting a list sorted and working with a supplier that's excels in customer service.

gary67
28-01-2012, 04:35 PM
Both Ascent.co.nz and computerlounge.co.nz have excellent reputations for service and very quick delivery. I use both as do many members here, recently bought a new PSU from Ascent and usually for Nelson it takes 2 days not this time next morning, not bad for over the water

Snorkbox
28-01-2012, 05:47 PM
I use Ascent too.

pctek
28-01-2012, 06:49 PM
Ascent.

mchaggis
28-01-2012, 07:19 PM
Anyone care to suggest some components that would work well together in a system?

Speedy Gonzales
28-01-2012, 07:31 PM
Anything, just as long as it fits / it's compatible. You'll probably have to get either a socket 775 or 1155/56. Or AMD

Snorkbox
28-01-2012, 07:33 PM
Got a budget?

Speedy Gonzales
28-01-2012, 07:35 PM
1.5 - 2k. Bottom of first post

mchaggis
28-01-2012, 07:54 PM
I've always gone with AMD just to keep them going on the basis that if we all supported Intel, AMD would go bust. Then what would we be paying for an i7?
This time I'm going to go to an i7 but don't know what socket/MB combo will work together well. Any suggestion to help me spec a system would be great. Yep 1.5 - 2K or so.
This is all up with monitor/OS etc.

Slankydudl
28-01-2012, 08:25 PM
Well a socket 1155 will work with a socket 1155 motherboard. And if it is just for home use than most i7's are probably overkill you can get a very decent i5 for much cheaper. For instance my i5 2500k is totally capable of gaming.

southern_jas
28-01-2012, 08:57 PM
If you are still in Dunedin mchaggis o see the guys at Cello Technology (formerlt PB Technologies) on Andersons Bay Road. They are a pretty good bunch of guys and would be able to help you sort something to fit your budget I'm sure.

mchaggis
28-01-2012, 09:04 PM
I'm in Invercargill. Yes an i7 is overkill but my theroy is to get as grunty a PC as possible today so in 3 - 5 years it's still capable.
I'm aware that the CPU and MB must have the same socket, LOL, but what's better? 1155, 1156 or ???
I guess it comes down to the MB, so that's the question. What MB? Let's start there. Then CPU (i7 3.4GHz?), Mem, HD's, Graphics, etc, etc.....

dugimodo
28-01-2012, 09:53 PM
+1 for Computerlounge, never used Ascent, also really like Paradigm (pp.co.nz).

You don't say what you'll use it for mainly? assuming it's games and general computer stuff I'd suggest something like

Asus Z68 based MB
i5 2500K or i7 2600K (really bugger all difference in 99% of uses)
8GB DDR3 dual channel RAM, 16GB if you wanna really future proof but not needed currently
Asus GTX 560Ti (Yeah I like them, or go gigabyte apparently lower failure rate)
Antec or Corsair 650 ~ 750W PSU
Whatever case you like, front USB 3.0 is worth considering
Vertex Agility 3 120GB SSD for OS (or other sandforce based SSD like Crucial M4 which has a higher reliabilty rep)
whatever HDD you like for data / programs
Windows 7 64 bit

I didn't price this stuff but it shoulld be around your budget I think and a very capable machine, if you want to spend more you could consider a GTX570 or even a 580, if it's a bit over budget ditch the SSd and/or drop down to the i5 and it will still be awesome.

Cato
28-01-2012, 10:21 PM
Asus GTX 560Ti (Yeah I like them, or go gigabyte apparently lower failure rate)
No, no and NO!
Gigabyte has sooo many issues! I will never buy from them again, EVER!
Google "Gigabyte 560Ti Black Screen Crash".

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1637106

I have had problems with the OC. SOC also has issues.
BIOS update didn't help me either.

The response I got from CL was "Just because people on the Internet report the same issues it doesn't mean that it exists - we have sold a lot of them and you are the only one who has brought a card back" - which didn't make me too happy. They have it for "testing" now, we shall see how and if this is resolved.


Edit: Whatever you do end up getting - burn it in as soon as you get it.

Bobh
28-01-2012, 10:38 PM
I got ComputerLounge to build my computer. Good service.

I have also bought parts from Ascent.

dugimodo
29-01-2012, 08:27 AM
Well I prefer asus anyway but online review sites seem to rate gigabyte as having a lower failure rate, particularly with motherboards, which is why I mentioned it.
My motherboard is gigabyte, my graphics card is asus, both are awesome.

mchaggis
29-01-2012, 10:42 AM
Guys. You're loosing me here. LOL I'm not up with all the latest bits so go easy on me.
Z68 MB....? there are several of them with a large price range. Keeping in mind I don't want to blow the budget a $600 MB isn't going to fit my plans.

So. What brand of MB? I'm currently using a Gibabyte but have had good luck with Asus MB's in the past. Am I better to drop to an i5 and spend the $ elsewhere?

Slankydudl
29-01-2012, 11:10 AM
here is a table of the different chip sets and what they do/don't do.
http://motherboardnews.com/2011/04/07/comparison-of-intels-lga-1155-chipsets/

dugimodo
29-01-2012, 11:11 AM
Z68 is the chipset, any asus board using it would be fine, what features you want is really up to you.

As a reference
H67, H61 - desktop chipset with integrated graphics access and no overclocking or SLI/ Xfire as a rule
P67 - Aimed at gamers etc, has no integrated graphics but allows for overclocking and SLI / Xfire
Z68 - combines all the features of both and allows use of quicksync and dedicated graphics at the same time, honestly not a big deal for most ppl.

For games any P67 or Z68 based board will do the Job and if you are on a tight budget and don't care about SLI/ Xfire the cheaper H67 boards will do the Job very well also.

If you aren't into the Idea of Overclocking and don't need SLI / X fire then get a nice H67 board and an i5 2500 or i7 2600 - non K versions are cheaper but can't be overclocked.
And you will still have an awesome machine for quite a bit less. It's a personal choice and hard to advise on, I overclock but it truly isn't needed.

some suggestions to look at;
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA28059
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27093
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27268
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27534

Adds up to a pretty cost effective PC with very nice performance and the stability of stock speeds all round :)

To speed things up a bit consider;
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA31802
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27091

But basically you can spend as much as you want, depending on what features you require.

mchaggis
29-01-2012, 11:52 AM
Z68 is the chipset, any asus board using it would be fine, what features you want is really up to you.

As a reference
H67, H61 - desktop chipset with integrated graphics access and no overclocking or SLI/ Xfire as a rule
P67 - Aimed at gamers etc, has no integrated graphics but allows for overclocking and SLI / Xfire
Z68 - combines all the features of both and allows use of quicksync and dedicated graphics at the same time, honestly not a big deal for most ppl.

For games any P67 or Z68 based board will do the Job and if you are on a tight budget and don't care about SLI/ Xfire the cheaper H67 boards will do the Job very well also.

If you aren't into the Idea of Overclocking and don't need SLI / X fire then get a nice H67 board and an i5 2500 or i7 2600 - non K versions are cheaper but can't be overclocked.
And you will still have an awesome machine for quite a bit less. It's a personal choice and hard to advise on, I overclock but it truly isn't needed.

some suggestions to look at;
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA28059
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27093
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27268
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27534

Adds up to a pretty cost effective PC with very nice performance and the stability of stock speeds all round :)

To speed things up a bit consider;
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA31802
http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA27091

But basically you can spend as much as you want, depending on what features you require.


NOW ya talking! This is the kind of info I'm after.
Yes I know I can spend many $ but I'm trying to get a great system for around 2k but would go a bit higher to future proof it a bit.
Other items I need help with are:

Hard Drives x 2 (I perfer Western Digital Black but am open to suggestions)
Screen 24" Samsung?
Case with PS
OS (Home or Pro) Its a home based PC but will be used by a small business (home based) as well.

I can claim the GST back so the 2K is GST exclusive. hehehe

What you've suggested looks to be great value for the performance so I'm probably likely to go with the Z68 and i7.

Thanks for all the help so far.

Snorkbox
29-01-2012, 12:46 PM
Get a case and don't grab the PSU with it. Grab a corsair modular 750 watts or thereabouts. Makes for nice cabling and the corsair PSU's are great.

http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=PSUCOR0752&name=CORSAIR-750W-HX-750-Modular-ATX-PSU-Power-Supply14

mchaggis
29-01-2012, 02:59 PM
Thanks for that. And the other bits?

Speedy Gonzales
29-01-2012, 03:29 PM
Have you looked for anything at all?

mchaggis
29-01-2012, 03:50 PM
LOL. Yes I've had a good look for bits but I haven't been looking for the last 4 year so I'm miles out of date with everything.
i.e. I don't know what a good HHD is. WD Black or a velocity raptor etc. Does a SATA 6 work OK with most MB's or do they need to be SATA 6 specific.
It's that sort of info I'm looking for.

The last PC I got I ended up with an Asus GeForce 8600GT which is not great with some games, 3D, etc yet was told by the wa-ker that sold it to me that is was the best. The first one was faulty from day 1.

I don't want to run off unprepared again and end up with a poor, yet pricey system so I'm looking for help from guys that know best. That's why I'm asking you lot.

Slankydudl
29-01-2012, 05:28 PM
well a good system obviously costs alot of money and it is somewhat exponential eg a 30 dollar GPU is better value for money than a 600 dollar one

Speedy Gonzales
29-01-2012, 05:54 PM
The newer mobos support SATA 3 (there is no SATA 6). If you find a mobo, (that you're going to buy), look at its specs on the manufacturer's site. Before you get the CPU and hdd (so you'll know what cpu's are compatible, (doesnt matter if the mobo supports SATA 3, SATA 2 hdd's if you get one should work).

They just wont be as fast as SATA 3. I've never used a WD hdd. Only Seagate. I've never had a Nvidia card either, from what I've read, most of their drivers are crap. And the only thing they do is crash. But that may change soon :p

dugimodo
29-01-2012, 06:15 PM
For performance the best combo is an SSD and a big HDD, the WD black is a nice drive and Mine has been going strong for some time but several people on here have advised they have a higher failure rate than most other WD and seagate drives.
I'd go a 120 or 160G SSD and a 2TB WD Blue data/program drive myself. And Windows 7 home premium 64 bit would be my recommendation, any 32bit OS will not be able to use more than 4GB of RAM.

Any current MB and SATA hdd should work together fine, and the newer SATA interface is backwards compatible anyway. Some older chipsets have problems with the HDDs over 2TB but that's about the only issue I'm aware of.

And Speedy I hear the same thing about ATI, I've used both and they both make awesome cards. I've personally had more driver issues with ATI but only on new model cards that have just been released and both sides have problems at that stage.

Slankydudl
29-01-2012, 06:34 PM
isnt home premium caped at 8 or 16gb of ram?

Cato
29-01-2012, 09:59 PM
^Limited to 16gb.

dugimodo
30-01-2012, 12:20 AM
Didn't know that, still 16GB is plenty for most people, 8GB is more than enough for current games, and people with 4GB still manage just fine.
8GB is the current sweet spot with diminishing returns kicking in right about there for all but the most demanding users.

mchaggis
30-01-2012, 11:37 AM
After some reasearch going with a solid state drive for the OS is well worth the extra cost for the performance gains in speed. It's been suggested that the cheapest option is a US outfit called Other World Computing. A 120GB drive is about US$185.00 + shipping.

icow
30-01-2012, 11:53 AM
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=733238

Probably cheaper, considering shipping and also you'll get it a lot faster.

DeSade
30-01-2012, 12:17 PM
No, no and NO!
Gigabyte has sooo many issues! I will never buy from them again, EVER!
Google "Gigabyte 560Ti Black Screen Crash".

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1637106

I have had problems with the OC. SOC also has issues.
BIOS update didn't help me either.

The response I got from CL was "Just because people on the Internet report the same issues it doesn't mean that it exists - we have sold a lot of them and you are the only one who has brought a card back" - which didn't make me too happy. They have it for "testing" now, we shall see how and if this is resolved.


Edit: Whatever you do end up getting - burn it in as soon as you get it.

This might be true for you but its certainly not true for me, and probably others.
I have never had a Gigabyte failure and I run the mainboard and two graphics cards from them currently.

On the other hand I have had failures in ASUS graphics and mainboards I will not buy their hardware again, cept laptops which are generally very good.

Also regarding ram, I have 12gb and rarely ever use more than 60%, I would consider myself a heavy user so that gives you some idea.

mrlooneyman
31-01-2012, 10:44 AM
Go with EVGA for the Graphics card they have a nice step up program incase you want to upgrade quickly.
http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/

I think he meant Sata 6gb/s which is Sata 3

Ive had none of my ASUS stuff fail but i have seen other people with Asus stuff fail on them.
I guess its always going to be luck of the Draw on any electronics.

icow
31-01-2012, 11:01 AM
http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/

That's only available to US residents.

mchaggis
08-02-2012, 10:50 AM
I've had a look around NZ and anyone I've asked can't supply SSD's for anywhere near the prices listed on Pricespy. That seems to be pretty normal form that site.

Anyway, I still haven't got my head around Asus or Gigabyte when it comes to Main Boards and Video Cards.

I'm roughly looking at a Z68 MB with i7 (1155 socket) a 560Ti card with a 128Gb SSD and a 1T HHD but I'm still open to suggestion, recommendations, etc.

I know enough to get myself into trouble but not enough to get a good reliable stable system so I'm still open to ideas. Thanks for your replies to date. I've learnt heaps! Cheers.

wainuitech
08-02-2012, 11:14 AM
I've had a look around NZ and anyone I've asked can't supply SSD's for anywhere near the prices listed on Pricespy. That seems to be pretty normal form that site.

Anyway, I still haven't got my head around Asus or Gigabyte when it comes to Main Boards and Video Cards.

I'm roughly looking at a Z68 MB with i7 (1155 socket) a 560Ti card with a 128Gb SSD and a 1T HHD but I'm still open to suggestion, recommendations, etc.

I know enough to get myself into trouble but not enough to get a good reliable stable system so I'm still open to ideas. Thanks for your replies to date. I've learnt heaps! Cheers. Both Asus and Gigabyte are good. it doesn't matter what the brand, both have problems sometimes, so its really a personal choice I spose.

About the SSD drives - depending on the brand you can get a 120GB SSD (Intel 320 Series 120GB 2.5" SATA2 SSD) for around $350 or the Intel 520 Series SATA3 25nm 6Gbps NAND Flash 2.5'' 120GB Solid-State Drives around $390 (ish) or there abouts, give or take

icow
08-02-2012, 05:39 PM
I've seen the 320 for $320 i think. Pretty sure it was from elive.

dugimodo
08-02-2012, 07:32 PM
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14987 $299
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=15068 $289

First place I looked and pretty close to pricespy

wainuitech
08-02-2012, 07:41 PM
Plenty about, thats why I mentioned depending on the brand & or there abouts, give or take, some brands are more expensive than others. The intel link listed above is for the 320, which is cheaper than the 520 series.

mchaggis
14-02-2012, 12:59 PM
Thanks guys. I think I'm getting an idea of what I can get for the budget. Looks like I'm better to go i5, Z68 and SSD as the best preformace v cost option?

On a slightly different note since the talk has turned to SSD's. I have an older system that is running 2 x SATA 2 drives. One of the Seagate drives has failed (something to do with firmware???) and the second Seagate drive to OK at present but..... I just put a new 500Gb WD Blue drive in it and was looking to install a SSD as the OS drive with the WD as the data drive.

Question.... The MB supports SATA 2. Will a SATA 6Gb/s drive work? What else is needed? i.e. 3.5 to 2.5 adaptor? Special cables? etc.

Speedy Gonzales
14-02-2012, 01:56 PM
If a mobo supports SATA 2 (but not SATA 3), it'll still work. But you'll have to change a jumper. And it wont run at SATA 3 speed

mchaggis
14-02-2012, 04:05 PM
So should I some $$ and get a 3 Gb/s rather than the 6 Gb/s if the MB is going to restrict the speed?

Slankydudl
14-02-2012, 08:29 PM
You mean sata 3 then sata 2. These days mobos with sata 3 arent too expensive.

mchaggis
15-02-2012, 01:03 AM
You mean sata 3 then sata 2. These days mobos with sata 3 arent too expensive.

No. I meant some SSD's are 3Gb/s and the dearer ones are 6Gb/s. i.e. Intel 320 v Intel 520. The older PC I already have has a SATA 2 MB in it.

My question is... If the SATA 2 MB in my current PC is going to limit the speed of the SSD is there any point paying more for a 6Gb/s SSD?