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Metla
11-01-2012, 08:53 AM
The real rotorua.

http://youtu.be/rCmmhQdw-0A

Cicero
11-01-2012, 09:34 AM
The real rotorua.

http://youtu.be/rCmmhQdw-0A

A proud warrior race, is that what they say?

prefect
11-01-2012, 09:53 AM
Once were warriors

Iantech
11-01-2012, 10:13 AM
Nothing warrior about that, just a pack of feral animals!! A classic example of how Maori give themselves such a bad reputation. Issue the shop staff with tasers to deal with crap like that. I hope the cops are on the case and do them for theft and assult and they are banned from the shop for life.

Cicero
11-01-2012, 12:26 PM
Nothing warrior about that, just a pack of feral animals!! A classic example of how Maori give themselves such a bad reputation. Issue the shop staff with tasers to deal with crap like that. I hope the cops are on the case and do them for theft and assault and they are banned from the shop for life.

We were being sarcastic Ian and rest assured the Rota police will do nothing, this is normal.

globe
11-01-2012, 01:11 PM
We were being sarcastic Ian and rest assured the Rota police will do nothing, this is normal.

Arrested and charged with aggravated assault...

Snorkbox
11-01-2012, 02:02 PM
See here:-

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=141771&fm=psp,tsf

Cato
11-01-2012, 02:08 PM
Arrested and charged with aggravated assault...

Would we have had these arrests if there wasn't a video of the incident on youtube?

Cicero
11-01-2012, 04:29 PM
Would we have had these arrests if there wasn't a video of the incident on youtube?

No.

Renegade
11-01-2012, 04:34 PM
Oops, didn't read this before I posted the other thread. DOH.

Stuff report http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6240936/Supermarket-scuffle-video-leads-to-arrest



Another class act! http://youtu.be/FRHmq1NPKP4

tuiruru
11-01-2012, 04:50 PM
The cracks were showing about 20 seconds in....

Iantech
11-01-2012, 08:22 PM
Oops, didn't read this before I posted the other thread. DOH.

Stuff report http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6240936/Supermarket-scuffle-video-leads-to-arrest



Another class act! http://youtu.be/FRHmq1NPKP4
Gees, one aged 50 the other 30 :rolleyes:

According to the link "Police had been made aware of the incident when it happened, last Wednesday night".
So what took them a week to make any arrests? I think you're right, nothing would have eventuated without that video appearing on youtube, the cops knew they had to act after that.

Next question, whats the punishment going to be?

Renegade, what a colourful youtube video you posted!! Another bit of rubbish that wants taking out with the trash for sure.

R2x1
11-01-2012, 09:13 PM
Gees, . . . Another bit of rubbish that wants taking out with the trash for sure.
I think if you watch it again, it was the trash trying to take some good stuff out.

Sadly, that attitude is becoming commonplace among a lot of their more conspicuous contemporaries.

Twelvevolts
12-01-2012, 11:05 PM
After reading those comments on You Tube, I've decided the racist comments on this site are relatively mild compared to the racist comments on there. Funny how people think a whole race is somehow responsible for the crimes of three women.

prefect
12-01-2012, 11:17 PM
After reading those comments on You Tube, I've decided the racist comments on this site are relatively mild compared to the racist comments on there. Funny how people think a whole race is somehow responsible for the crimes of three women.
Racism works both ways. Why are they doing things like this to us?

Twelvevolts
12-01-2012, 11:20 PM
Racism works both ways. Why are they doing things like this to us?

Who is they?

rob_on_guitar
13-01-2012, 06:44 AM
Yes that was an odd comment... YT is only good for reading if you like Jerry Springer type material.

prefect
13-01-2012, 07:01 AM
Who is they?
The cuzzie bros

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 07:20 AM
The cuzzie bros So you think a whole race is somehow coordinating action against you? How would that work?

Three women try and steal from a supermarket and get caught. It is not a campaign against you personally.

Cicero
13-01-2012, 07:30 AM
So you think a whole race is somehow coordinating action against you? How would that work?

Three women try and steal from a supermarket and get caught. It is not a campaign against you personally.
I suggest sir that you have your head well and truly up where the sun don't shine.
It's the endless litany of these sorts of things.
Surely we don't have to remind of the 5 year old girl story, the endless children being killed, to suggest that it is racist to mention the facts is an abomination.

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 07:56 AM
I suggest sir that you have your head well and truly up where the sun don't shine.
It's the endless litany of these sorts of things.
Surely we don't have to remind of the 5 year old girl story, the endless children being killed, to suggest that it is racist to mention the facts is an abomination.

Notice you sidestep the questions and come up with some other argument that has nothing to do it.

rob_on_guitar
13-01-2012, 01:13 PM
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/pregnant-woman-punched-and-kicked-ground-4685795

Rotovegas is a top town at the moment isn't it.... sheesh

Cicero
13-01-2012, 01:21 PM
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/pregnant-woman-punched-and-kicked-ground-4685795

Rotovegas is a top town at the moment isn't it.... sheesh

And you can bet the attacker was not Chinese,or even English.

fred_fish
13-01-2012, 01:26 PM
Might be avian.

Cato
13-01-2012, 01:29 PM
Notice you sidestep the questions and come up with some other argument that has nothing to do it.

Do you think that perhaps he got his habit from you?

Cicero
13-01-2012, 01:30 PM
Might be avian.

Not sure where birds come into it?

Cicero
13-01-2012, 01:32 PM
Do you think that perhaps he got his habit from you?

Quite so Cato, fancy questioning my veracity, what a cheek.

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 04:45 PM
Do you think that perhaps he got his habit from you?

I always defend my argument - where Cicero just doesn't have one. I always answer questions about my argument as well. I don't answer your personal questions because you specialise in ad hominem attacks (I suspect because you're incapable of defending your position otherwise), so really no point providing you with further ammunicition.

Snorkbox
13-01-2012, 05:11 PM
I always defend my argument - where Cicero just doesn't have one. I always answer questions about my argument as well. I don't answer your personal questions because you specialise in ad hominem attacks (I suspect because you're incapable of defending your position otherwise), so really no point providing you with further ammunicition.

No you do not.

I'm still waiting for an answer from you about your experience as a prosecutor for example.
All you did was to put the onus on me.

Cicero
13-01-2012, 05:27 PM
No you do not.

I'm still waiting for an answer from you about your experience as a prosecutor for example.
All you did was to put the onus on me.

Quite right Snork, I remember that well, what a cad.

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 06:41 PM
No you do not.

I'm still waiting for an answer from you about your experience as a prosecutor for example.
All you did was to put the onus on me.

Perhaps you should read what I actually wrote - I am not providing you with personal information when all you will do is launch ad hominem attacks. My experience as a prosecutor is irrelevant to the argument but as you can never argue your case logically so you resort to trying to find out personal information so you can attack me on that.

I don't see anyone else putting their life story on here including you.

The case people are trying to put here is that people are responsible for the actions of their race - it is a luducrous proposition and as usual as no one can defend it logicaly, we go on one of these side shows again so you can avoid justifying an argument that is clearly illogical. At the end of the day you don't have any justification for your racist bullshit.

Cicero
13-01-2012, 07:08 PM
If we take the family instead of race, and one family was causing all of the trouble, wouldn't you say the family was suspect?

Paul.Cov
13-01-2012, 07:32 PM
Back to the original post... nobody seems to object to the fact that the aging honky male stole the ladies handbag. And everyone just stood around and permitted it.

Paul.Cov
13-01-2012, 07:55 PM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10778479

So here's more disgrace for Rotorua. But this time it's white trash doing the offending, and reported to be a random, unprovoked attack.
As it's violence against a person, as opposed to petty theft, shouldn't this story stir greater outrage? Or is outrage dependant on the colour of the culprit?

Perhaps what is reported in this story is another, somewhat hidden price of racism. Honky racism perhaps?

The Error Guy
13-01-2012, 08:00 PM
Sure he "stole" her handbag, after getting hit with it, abused and sworn at.

fred_fish
13-01-2012, 08:02 PM
Does everyone in Rotorua get around with their arse-crack out, or is it just the violent chicks?

Cato
13-01-2012, 08:13 PM
I always defend my argument - where Cicero just doesn't have one. I always answer questions about my argument as well. I don't answer your personal questions because you specialise in ad hominem attacks (I suspect because you're incapable of defending your position otherwise), so really no point providing you with further ammunicition.

Neither I, nor Snorks for that matter, have ever asked for any personal information.
The furthest we have gone, is ask you about what kind of prosecution you have done. And your response has always been along the lines of "you are idiots, you don't know what prosecutors do", that is if you bothered to reply at all.

You have very often spoken about your experiences as a prosecutor, with victims and offenders. Yet you never once provided any insight other than "I know because I was a prosecutor, you people don't know anything".

If you have been kind and civil enough to provide an explanation, do you think I (or anyone else) would push on the point?
All that we have ever wanted from you was some insight.

I could find hundreds of posts of your and relating to yours in which you ignore or dodge any questions/comments which you don't like. And yet you point this out whenever someone else does it. This isn't limited to your work as a prosecutor.

Have you not recently posted (highly suspect) statistics and ignored questions to provide a source other than saying "go find it yourself"? (IIRC)
Is this because you have to make things up to defend your position?

And have you yourself not resorted to ad hominem attacks when things don't go your way?

Can you not see your own hypocrisy?

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 08:17 PM
If we take the family instead of race, and one family was causing all of the trouble, wouldn't you say the family was suspect?

Yes I have unfortunately come across criminal families and the factors there fall more into a nurture rather than nature category - although one could suspect that genetics could play a part at the level of a family. It is not a strong argument when extrapolating to blaming a race for crime - the family after all grow up together and therefore influence each others criminality.

We know that Maori is over represented in crime figures - that is not in dispute. What you suggest though is that all Maori are therefore collectively responsible - this is like suggesting that all Europeans are responsible for what Hitler did. As a Libertarian I believe in individual responsibility, the criminal is responsible for their own actions, not the whole of a race.

So taking your theory, you would have to postulate what the mechanism would be for your proposition that all Maori are suspect,for example some genetic link to crime.

Part of my work is in the software development lifecycle and we constantlly work under high pressure to deliver. Some of our key people are Maori - very smart and hard working people. Are you seriously suggesting they are suspect because of some criminal activitiy by some losers in Rotorua?

Metla
13-01-2012, 08:18 PM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10778479

So here's more disgrace for Rotorua. But this time it's white trash doing the offending,

That Maori girl handing out the bash is white trash?

Metla
13-01-2012, 08:22 PM
We know that Maori is over represented in crime figures - that is not in dispute. What you suggest though is that all Maori are therefore collectively responsible

That's your perception, Try not to use you delusion to tell others what "they think", lets just acknowledge that trends need to be found and then acted upon in order to address the issues. Going into denial and claiming racism helps nobody and only compounds the problem which makes you an "enabler".

As long as society refuses to see the elephant in the room then kids will continue to die, be abused, and grow up to wage war on society.

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 08:25 PM
Neither I, nor Snorks for that matter, have ever asked for any personal information.
The furthest we have gone, is ask you about what kind of prosecution you have done. And your response has always been along the lines of "you are idiots, you don't know what prosecutors do", that is if you bothered to reply at all.

You have very often spoken about your experiences as a prosecutor, with victims and offenders. Yet you never once provided any insight other than "I know because I was a prosecutor, you people don't know anything".

If you have been kind and civil enough to provide an explanation, do you think I (or anyone else) would push on the point?
All that we have ever wanted from you was some insight.

I could find hundreds of posts of your and relating to yours in which you ignore or dodge any questions/comments which you don't like. And yet you point this out whenever someone else does it. This isn't limited to your work as a prosecutor.

Have you not recently posted (highly suspect) statistics and ignored questions to provide a source other than saying "go find it yourself"? (IIRC)
Is this because you have to make things up to defend your position?

And have you yourself not resorted to ad hominem attacks when things don't go your way?

Can you not see your own hypocrisy?

You are making things up in this post. I'd say I give as good as I get -you are the one who gets all precious when you receive the same kind of treatment you dish out.

I'd prefer to argue the point, but if you want to dish it out then expect it back.

Cato
13-01-2012, 08:27 PM
You are making things up in this post. I'd say I give as good as I get -you are the one who gets all precious when you receive the same kind of treatment you dish out.

I'd prefer to argue the point, but if you want to dish it out then expect it back.

Case in point.

Metla
13-01-2012, 08:28 PM
:illogical

..........

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 08:30 PM
That's your perception, Try not to use you delusion to tell others what "they think", lets just acknowledge that trends need to be found and then acted upon in order to address the issues. Going into denial and claiming racism helps nobody and only compounds the problem which makes you an "enabler".

As long as society refuses to see the elephant in the room then kids will continue to die, be abused, and grow up to wage war on society.

It is what they wrote - did you actually read the YouTube comments or not?

Ok - describe the Elephant in the room then so we can all see it. This is where you will generally back off and not state your case.

Metla
13-01-2012, 08:32 PM
Ok - describe the Elephant in the room then so we can all see it. .

we can all see it, You're attacking the people that describe what they see.

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 08:33 PM
Case in point.

Not providing you with personal information - can't you read.

Twelvevolts
13-01-2012, 08:35 PM
we can all see it, You're attacking the people that describe what they see.

Case in point.

Snorkbox
13-01-2012, 09:19 PM
Perhaps you should read what I actually wrote - I am not providing you with personal information when all you will do is launch ad hominem attacks. My experience as a prosecutor is irrelevant to the argument but as you can never argue your case logically so you resort to trying to find out personal information so you can attack me on that.

I don't see anyone else putting their life story on here including you.

The case people are trying to put here is that people are responsible for the actions of their race - it is a luducrous proposition and as usual as no one can defend it logicaly, we go on one of these side shows again so you can avoid justifying an argument that is clearly illogical. At the end of the day you don't have any justification for your racist bullshit.

So what racist comments have I made then?

rob_on_guitar
14-01-2012, 10:41 AM
You guys haven't learnt a thing have you tsk tsk

Cicero
14-01-2012, 11:25 AM
You guys haven't learnt a thing have you tsk tsk

With such a bad teacher as 12, what do you expect?

Twelvevolts
14-01-2012, 11:48 AM
With such a bad teacher as 12, what do you expect?

I'm growing older but not up.

Metla
16-01-2012, 06:56 PM
That Maori girl handing out the bash is white trash?

for the record her name is Alexandria Gemini Ngarimu, 19.

Cicero
16-01-2012, 07:57 PM
for the record her name is Alexandria Gemini Ngarimu, 19.

All that suggests is that she is a bad egg, nothing to do with her race.It's not as if you see the likes of her doing these things normally, an aeration one might say!

Twelvevolts
16-01-2012, 08:09 PM
All that suggests is that she is a bad egg, nothing to do with her race.It's not as if you see the likes of her doing these things normally, an aeration one might say!

Aeration (also called aerification) is the process by which air or water is circulated through, mixed with or dissolved in a liquid or substance. We talking drugs here or what?

Paul.Cov
16-01-2012, 09:14 PM
for the record her name is Alexandria Gemini Ngarimu, 19.

Perhaps I need to adjust my contrast. She looked pretty white to me in the pics.

Cato
16-01-2012, 09:21 PM
Perhaps I need to adjust my contrast. She looked pretty white to me in the pics.

Look at her facial features.

prefect
16-01-2012, 09:41 PM
She looked maoris to me.
Hard case when she calls the attackee a black *****.

Snorkbox
16-01-2012, 10:44 PM
Aeration (also called aerification) is the process by which air or water is circulated through, mixed with or dissolved in a liquid or substance. We talking drugs here or what?

Perhaps you may consider aberration that Cicero actually meant to say?

I would have thought that possibly the "b" key is not working but the "b" in bad egg works so that would be wrong.

Greven
16-01-2012, 10:52 PM
Typos in a flame war can be deadly

Snorkbox
16-01-2012, 10:54 PM
Typos in a flame war can be deadly

Agreed.

Twelvevolts
17-01-2012, 06:29 AM
Perhaps you may consider aberration that Cicero actually meant to say?

I would have thought that possibly the "b" key is not working but the "b" in bad egg works so that would be wrong.

Indeed I suspect the spelling of the word in this case was an aberration . . . .

Can be a problem if your B key goes though - suddenly people can think you're a ad astard who is elligerent. A real ugger when that happens.