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globe
05-01-2012, 06:37 PM
Over the last couple of days or so the start up of windows 7 (64bit) on my machine has been really slow (like 3 - 7 minutes). This has only gotten worse (or I have only noticed it over the last few days). Did a system restore to New Years Day but to no avail.

Have run malaware bytes and removed any issues detected (only 5).

Any suggestions ?

Speedy Gonzales
05-01-2012, 06:52 PM
Post a HJT log

globe
05-01-2012, 06:54 PM
Here you go, cheers


Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.4
Scan saved at 7:34:03 p.m., on 5/01/2012
Platform: Windows 7 SP1 (WinNT 6.00.3505)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v9.00 (9.00.8112.16421)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect\ZyngaGamesAgent.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\Power2Go\CLMLSvc.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Pure Networks Shared\Platform\nmctxth.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Ask.com\Updater\Updater.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Brother\Brmfcmon\BrMfcWnd.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Brother\ControlCenter3\brccMCtl.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Nokia\MPlatform\NokiaMServer.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Brother\Brmfcmon\BrMfcmon.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\plugin-container.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Trend Micro\HiJackThis\HiJackThis.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page =
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant =
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch =
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = C:\Windows\SysWOW64\blank.htm
F2 - REG:system.ini: UserInit=userinit.exe,
O2 - BHO: Splashtop Connect VisualBookmark - {0E5680D1-BF44-4929-94AF-FD30D784AD1D} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect IE\STC.dll
O2 - BHO: Windows Live ID Sign-in Helper - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll
O2 - BHO: URLRedirectionBHO - {B4F3A835-0E21-4959-BA22-42B3008E02FF} - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~2\Office14\URLREDIR.DLL
O2 - BHO: Ask Toolbar BHO - {D4027C7F-154A-4066-A1AD-4243D8127440} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Ask.com\GenericAskToolbar.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Foxit PDF Creator Toolbar - {D4027C7F-154A-4066-A1AD-4243D8127440} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Ask.com\GenericAskToolbar.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [STCAgent] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect IE\STCAgent.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ZyngaGamesAgent] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect\ZyngaGamesAgent.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UpdateLBPShortCut] "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\LabelPrint\MUITransfer\MUIStartMen u.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\LabelPrint" UpdateWithCreateOnce "Software\CyberLink\LabelPrint\2.5"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CLMLServer] "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\Power2Go\CLMLSvc.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UpdateP2GoShortCut] "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\Power2Go\MUITransfer\MUIStartMenu. exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\Power2Go" UpdateWithCreateOnce "SOFTWARE\CyberLink\Power2Go\6.0"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UCam_Menu] "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\YouCam\MUITransfer\MUIStartMenu.ex e" "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\YouCam" UpdateWithCreateOnce "Software\CyberLink\YouCam\2.0"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UpdatePSTShortCut] "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\DVD Suite\MUITransfer\MUIStartMenu.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\DVD Suite" UpdateWithCreateOnce "Software\CyberLink\PowerStarter"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nmctxth] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Pure Networks Shared\Platform\nmctxth.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ApnUpdater] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Ask.com\Updater\Updater.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [BrMfcWnd] C:\Program Files (x86)\Brother\Brmfcmon\BrMfcWnd.exe /AUTORUN
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ControlCenter3] C:\Program Files (x86)\Brother\ControlCenter3\brctrcen.exe /autorun
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTTask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files (x86)\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] "C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe" MSRun
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NokiaMServer] C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Nokia\MPlatform\NokiaMServer /watchfiles startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NokiaMusic FastStart] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Nokia\Ovi Player\NokiaOviPlayer.exe" /command:faststart
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Google Update] "C:\Users\Jon\AppData\Local\Google\Update\GoogleUpd ate.exe" /c
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Sidebar] C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe /autoRun
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Steam] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam.exe" -silent
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~2\Office14\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O8 - Extra context menu item: Se&nd to OneNote - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~2\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll/105
O9 - Extra button: @C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WindowsLiveWriterShortcuts.dll,-1004 - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: @C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WindowsLiveWriterShortcuts.dll,-1003 - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll
O9 - Extra button: Send to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Se&nd to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra button: OneNote Lin&ked Notes - {789FE86F-6FC4-46A1-9849-EDE0DB0C95CA} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIELinkedNotes.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: OneNote Lin&ked Notes - {789FE86F-6FC4-46A1-9849-EDE0DB0C95CA} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIELinkedNotes.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files (x86)\common files\microsoft shared\windows live\wlidnsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files (x86)\common files\microsoft shared\windows live\wlidnsp.dll
O11 - Options group: [ACCELERATED_GRAPHICS] Accelerated graphics
O18 - Protocol: wlpg - {E43EF6CD-A37A-4A9B-9E6F-83F89B8E6324} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Photo Gallery\AlbumDownloadProtocolHandler.dll
O18 - Filter hijack: text/xml - {807573E5-5146-11D5-A672-00B0D022E945} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\OFFICE14\MSOXMLMF.DLL
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Alg.exe,-112 (ALG) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\alg.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: AMD External Events Utility - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\atiesrxx.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: AMD FUEL Service - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. - C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Fuel\Fuel.Service.exe
O23 - Service: Apple Mobile Device - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\AppleMobileDeviceService.exe
O23 - Service: AppleChargerSrv - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\AppleChargerSrv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Bonjour Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Bonjour\mDNSResponder.exe
O23 - Service: BrSplService (Brother XP spl Service) - brother Industries Ltd - C:\Windows\SysWOW64\brsvc01a.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\efssvc.dll,-100 (EFS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: ES lite Service for program management. (ES lite Service) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\Gigabyte\EasySaver\ESSVR.EXE
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\fxsresm.dll,-118 (Fax) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\fxssvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\11\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: iPod Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
O23 - Service: @keyiso.dll,-100 (KeyIso) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @comres.dll,-2797 (MSDTC) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\msdtc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\System32\netlogon.dll,-102 (Netlogon) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Pure Networks Platform Service (nmservice) - Cisco Systems, Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Pure Networks Shared\Platform\nmsrvc.exe
O23 - Service: PnkBstrA - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\PnkBstrA.exe
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\psbase.dll,-300 (ProtectedStorage) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\Locator.exe,-2 (RpcLocator) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\locator.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\samsrv.dll,-1 (SamSs) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Splashtop Connect Service (SCBackService) - Splashtop Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect\BackService.exe
O23 - Service: ServiceLayer - Nokia - C:\Program Files (x86)\Nokia\PC Connectivity Solution\ServiceLayer.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\snmptrap.exe,-3 (SNMPTRAP) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\snmptrap.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\spoolsv.exe,-1 (Spooler) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\spoolsv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\sppsvc.exe,-101 (sppsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\sppsvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Steam Client Service - Valve Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Steam\SteamService.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\ui0detect.exe,-101 (UI0Detect) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\UI0Detect.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vaultsvc.dll,-1003 (VaultSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vds.exe,-100 (vds) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\vds.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\vssvc.exe,-102 (VSS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\vssvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Wat\WatUX.exe,-601 (WatAdminSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\Wat\WatAdminSvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\wbengine.exe,-104 (wbengine) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbengine.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Splashtop Connect Firefox Software Updater Service (WCUService_STC_FF) - Splashtop Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect Firefox Software Updater\WCUService.exe
O23 - Service: Splashtop Connect IE Software Updater Service (WCUService_STC_IE) - Splashtop Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect IE Software Updater\WCUService.exe
O23 - Service: @%Systemroot%\system32\wbem\wmiapsrv.exe,-110 (wmiApSrv) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbem\WmiApSrv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%PROGRAMFILES%\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe,-101 (WMPNetworkSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe (file missing)

Agent_24
05-01-2012, 07:04 PM
Haven't looked at your HJT log but I would check your HDDs SMART status with Speedfan or similar, my friend had major system slowdowns and it turned out he had hundreds of faulty sectors in his hard drive.

Replacing the drive solved the problems.

globe
05-01-2012, 07:07 PM
Haven't looked at your HJT log but I would check your HDDs SMART status with Speedfan or similar, my friend had major system slowdowns and it turned out he had hundreds of faulty sectors in his hard drive.

Replacing the drive solved the problems.

Crikey, I hope its not that the machine is less than 6 months old!

Speedy Gonzales
05-01-2012, 07:09 PM
These dont have to be in startup

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [BrMfcWnd] C:\Program Files (x86)\Brother\Brmfcmon\BrMfcWnd.exe /AUTORUN

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ControlCenter3] C:\Program Files (x86)\Brother\ControlCenter3\brctrcen.exe /autorun

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTTask.exe" -atboottime

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] "C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe" MSRun


O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NokiaMServer] C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Nokia\MPlatform\NokiaMServer /watchfiles startup


O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ZyngaGamesAgent] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Splashtop\Splashtop Connect\ZyngaGamesAgent.exe"

Uninstall Askbar

Try another SATA port

wainuitech
05-01-2012, 07:10 PM
Theres a couple of nasties showing in that log. But shouldn't slow things down by that long.

Download Portable-Revo-Uninstaller (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Portable-Revo-Uninstaller-Download-101737.html) - Run it in advanced mode, select Ask Bar to remove _ make sure you wipe out all the reg files and directories. Simply uninstalling it wont remove it.

Did you install Splashtop Connect VisualBookmark yourself ?

From my sig below, get Super antispyware as well as spybot S&D, run them both in full scan modes. Malwarebytes can miss a lot of infections that others will pick up.

To check out if anything is hanging on startup, click start, type in Reli Click on view Reliability History - once it opens there will be a detailed log with errors etc, if anything is a common error what is it ?

Re your response about agents suggestion on the hard Drive -- He's correct, HDD's can fail at any time, could be 1 day old or 5 years old or longer /anywhere in between.

globe
05-01-2012, 07:16 PM
Uninstall Askbar

Already done that.

Agent_24
05-01-2012, 07:16 PM
Crikey, I hope its not that the machine is less than 6 months old!

Some drives can fail that quickly, you just have to get (un)lucky (quickest HDD failure I saw was about 1 month!)
Hopefully it's just some crapware causing it instead though, but I would check it out just in case.

wainuitech
05-01-2012, 07:17 PM
About Ask bar -- Going by the HJT log its not -- or did you do it after doing the log ?

globe
05-01-2012, 07:18 PM
Did you install Splashtop Connect VisualBookmark yourself ? Nah never heard of it before

globe
05-01-2012, 07:20 PM
About Ask bar -- Going by the HJT log its not -- or did you do it after doing the log ?

sorry did the log before posting the question on the forum, ran the parse thingy and removed it after that, didnt rerun the log as it was still on my machine and the ask bar was the only thing I removed (hopefully).

wainuitech
05-01-2012, 07:22 PM
OK - using Revo as previously posted, rip out Splashtop Connect,thats one of the things thats showing as a nasty.

Revo in advanced mode allows you to rip out left over reg files and folders that a normal uninstaller leaves behind.

Also check the reli logs as mentioned. Never know what shows there :)

If you want to really see whats causing the problem - Have a read of this article (http://itexpertvoice.com/home/what%E2%80%99s-taking-so-long-how-to-fight-slow-startup-times-in-windows-7/) -- Its rather involved and goes indepth, but depends on how much you want to dig about the system.

globe
05-01-2012, 07:25 PM
Haven't looked at your HJT log but I would check your HDDs SMART status with Speedfan or similar, my friend had major system slowdowns and it turned out he had hundreds of faulty sectors in his hard drive.

Replacing the drive solved the problems. speedfan shows no errors - 90% performance which sounds ok to me.

Agent_24
05-01-2012, 07:26 PM
speedfan shows no errors - 90% performance which sounds ok to me.

That sounds a bit low for a drive 6 months old... Did you run the in-depth online analysis? Can you post the results (take a screenshot, the link isn't copyable)

globe
05-01-2012, 07:28 PM
To check out if anything is hanging on startup, click start, type in Reli Click on view Reliability History - once it opens there will be a detailed log with errors etc, if anything is a common error what is it ?

everything looks kosha. coupe of days ago when the problem started itunes crashed and I had to force shut down the pc, they show up.

yesterday error showing windows failed to start but unable to determine cause.

event prior to that was 16th Dec explorere stopped working

3489

globe
05-01-2012, 07:32 PM
3488here is in depth SMART analysis.

Ran superantispyware and it founds heaps of tracking cookies but thats all. will run spybot (already use this mind)

Agent_24
05-01-2012, 07:33 PM
You need to crop out all that white space.. can't read a thing!

Agent_24
05-01-2012, 07:55 PM
Well that looks just fine.., I guess it's not the drive then! (although that 'write error' part seems a bit strange) In any case I doubt it would cause the problem you describe.

Maybe you should give that new 'Windows Defender Offline' scanner a try out?

globe
05-01-2012, 08:01 PM
Maybe you should give that new 'Windows Defender Offline' scanner a try out? I'll give it a go and report back, stand by.....

wainuitech
05-01-2012, 08:58 PM
Cant always trust the SMART report, -- If you want to test the drive for bad sectors, one program I use is HDD-Regenerator (http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HDD-Regenerator.shtml). You dont need to pay for it to actually do a scan.

You make the bootable CD, then run from that - depending on the size of the drive it may be an over night test or longer, unless it finds bad sectors reasonable early on.

Its meant to actually repair damaged sectors :illogical BUT I would trust any software to do that, BUT its excellent at detecting bad sectors when other software fails. (including SMART shows its clean)

If it shows lots of errors ( bad sectors) the drive can be replaced under warranty - bad sectors are covered

globe
05-01-2012, 09:15 PM
My other option I guess is to pick a restore point further back and see if that works? If it doesn't then more likely to be hardware I'm guessing?

ronyville
05-01-2012, 09:16 PM
Not sure if you have tried the seagate tools. Add a similar issue as yours. Windows would take longer than usual to boot up. And it was a new built as well. 4 months old. Ran the seagate tools and found that one of the secondary drives had issues. Pulled that drive out and all was sweet again.

wainuitech
05-01-2012, 09:47 PM
My other option I guess is to pick a restore point further back and see if that works? If it doesn't then more likely to be hardware I'm guessing? Restore points going backwards like suggested sometimes work, other times makes no difference, all depends on whats causing the problem. Even if it is software related as in damage to the OS, it may be to deep in the OS and out of the restore points actual fixes.

Something you can try --- start the PC in safe mode, keep tapping F8 on startup, select safe mode -- does it start up quicker or just the same ?

If its a hardware issue like a failing or damaged drive, then usually it wont make a scarp of difference in ether mode Normal or Safe.

globe
06-01-2012, 06:36 AM
so ive run the windows defender thingymejig and that found one trojan that i removed. didnt make a difference to the start up speed but always useful to get rid of stuff like that anyway.

STarted in safe mode and have noted that it was faster for one part. What i mean by this was when i turn on the machine the motherboard screen shows and then after a while the loading systems loads and the windows logo appears and then finally the log on page. when started in the safe mode the loading of the operating system was much faster (except the mouse didnt work so I had to hard reset - doh) but get from turning on to the loading of the operating system was still very slow.

WIll try the hdd regenerator today.

CliveM
06-01-2012, 08:54 AM
For what it is worth. I had a similar problem last week W7 64bit. Pretty much eliminated malware and/or hardware problems. HJ This file looked ok. The machine seemed to spend a lot of time looking for something. I did a repair install and it is now back to normal.

lakewoodlady
06-01-2012, 04:37 PM
edited

This post has the rather pungent odour of spam.

LL

jnager
06-01-2012, 04:39 PM
Ii is just my opinion... Sorry if it looked like spam.

lakewoodlady
06-01-2012, 06:29 PM
Yeah right, If you had really read through some of the threads you would have realised that most on here would have suggested Ccleaner.

LL

wainuitech
06-01-2012, 07:33 PM
LL you are spot on -- :thumbs:Theres one big problem when spammers try to act as if they are NOT, its easy to track them down.

Did a very quick look -- oh gee -- Look who peddling the same garbage and same user name on THIS NETGEAR FORUM (http://forum1.netgear.com/showthread.php?p=387051) :lol: :spam

Agent_24
06-01-2012, 07:51 PM
Wonder if jnager will try to explain that! :lol:

globe
06-01-2012, 08:45 PM
Cant always trust the SMART report, -- If you want to test the drive for bad sectors, one program I use is HDD-Regenerator (http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HDD-Regenerator.shtml). You dont need to pay for it to actually do a scan.

Ran scan of hard drive. Detected no bad sectors or errors at all so I'm guessing the hard drive is most likely ok then ?

globe
06-01-2012, 09:01 PM
so just tried a repair install - and guess what I can't do one as apparently my version of windows on the PC is newer than the DVD I have (even though it was loaded from the DVD back in June!!) Now I'm stumped.

globe
06-01-2012, 09:19 PM
so just tried a repair install - and guess what I can't do one as apparently my version of windows on the PC is newer than the DVD I have (even though it was loaded from the DVD back in June!!) Now I'm stumped.

currently uninstalling sp1 to see if i can then repair install after that.

Agent_24
06-01-2012, 09:20 PM
Probably some updates you installed since then make it think it's newer.

wainuitech
07-01-2012, 08:08 AM
You more than likely know this anyway, but just in case:

You know its recommended to do a repair install from within windows, NOT from booting the DVD as per XP or when you first install it ??

Its a PITA esp if the original W7 wont boot. Tutorial repair install Windows 7 (http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3413-repair-install.html)

globe
07-01-2012, 08:31 AM
You more than likely know this anyway, but just in case:

You know its recommended to do a repair install from within windows, NOT from booting the DVD as per XP or when you first install it ??

Its a PITA esp if the original W7 wont boot. Tutorial repair install Windows 7 (http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3413-repair-install.html)

yeah did that exercise overnight (as per the link) and has not seemed to make too much difference. Boot up time is still at 3 1/2 mins which seems way too slow to me (my missus laptop is way faaster than that) but then again maybe my expectations are shifting andf the load time hasn't.

Next question to ask (other than where to from here) is how long does your guys systems take to load ? Maybe I need a benchmark to work from ?

Speedy Gonzales
07-01-2012, 08:53 AM
Just timed it. 24-26 secs from post screen, till you hear the sound (after windows has loaded). Win7 x64

globe
07-01-2012, 08:56 AM
Just timed it. 24-26 secs from post screen, till you hear the sound (after windows has loaded). Win7 x64 Yeah those sorts of numbers are what I remember when I first built this machine and on the missus lappie. 3.5min seems somewhat excessive - even if you have a super turbo charged machine and I have a little 1100cc (which isn't the case)

wainuitech
07-01-2012, 09:04 AM
Next question to ask (other than where to from here) is how long does your guys systems take to load ? Maybe I need a benchmark to work from ?

Just did some tests for ya :)

5 different PC's.
As a exact same point of reference, its from when the "Starting Windows" pops up on the screen. The reason for that point is different hardware takes longer to get to that point, posting will take longer or shorter depending on thehardware. My sons PC which has the most grunt shows starting windows within 3 seconds, workshops ones take about 10 seconds to that point.

So the actual times, from Starting windows to up and running able to use as well as the specs: ( password entered as well)

Workshop 1 P43.0 2GB RAM = 1min 15 sec
Workshop 2 P4 3.0 2GB RAM = 50 sec
Sons i5 3.33 4GB RAM = 51 sec ( has A LOT of crap loading in the background)
Mine Q6600 2.4 8GB RAM = 1min 10 sec ( has a lot of network connections going on as well)
SWMBO E5300 2.6 4GB RAM = 40 sec

Just timed workshop 2 this time fresh install windows (From a image) , no other crap loading = 25 seconds

globe
07-01-2012, 09:10 AM
SO this is what I've got, compared to the other tests I still wouldn't expect it to take more than 50% again at the most...

Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX DDR3 AM3+
AMD Phenom II X4 Processor Black Edition 955 3.2GHz
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 7200rpm HDD
Kingston Valueram 4gb 1333mhz Ddr3 Non-ecc Cl9 Dimm (kit Of 2)
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Prem 64bit


Running MSE again to see if that picks up anything that it may have missed first time around.

wainuitech
07-01-2012, 09:14 AM
One way to tell for sure, as OS's can and do get damaged and no matter what type of repairs you try, they are never the same -- If you have another HDD, load in a fresh install of windows onto it, put in all the drivers for the hardware -- See if there is any difference.

Ideally you could clone your current OS to another drive first, make sure its cloned and working OK, then use the same current drive for the test that way all hardware is the same, just in case it is the drive.

Edited:
I had to reinstall this thing a few weeks back it got totally screwed, took over 5 minutes to start, half the programs locked up, or the network connections wouldn't work, no amount of fixes made it any better and while this does do nightly backups of the whole system it was slowly getting worse over the last 3-4 months, reinstalled it and what a difference :)

globe
07-01-2012, 09:27 AM
One way to tell for sure, as OS's can and do get damaged and no matter what type of repairs you try, they are never the same -- If you have another HDD, load in a fresh install of windows onto it, put in all the drivers for the hardware -- See if there is any difference.

Ideally you could clone your current OS to another drive first, make sure its cloned and working OK, then use the same current drive for the test that way all hardware is the same, just in case it is the drive.

I dont know much about cloning. I only have my external hard drive that I do back ups on rather than a spare one I could install in the machine. I have done a back up to that a couple of days ago. From this could I reinstall windows on the exisiting HDD and see how the performance goes then restore from my back up on the external HDD ?

wainuitech
07-01-2012, 09:45 AM
Without knowing what type of backup you have I won t say go ahead, dont want to tell you wipe a drive, then it all turns to custard. If you have only backed up data, instead of a full system backup then you would have to reinstall again from fresh and start again.

Even if its a Windows 7 full system backup, has it ever been tested for actually working ? - I have had it sometimes that backups say they have worked when in fact they actually fail when attempting to put back. Thats why when cloning customers drives for a reinstall, I actually test the backup/clone on another drive to be certain its as per the original.

sk69ersnz
07-01-2012, 10:29 AM
I had similar boot times a wee while ago,then I come across this http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/437916/?
So I gave it a go and it's pretty easy to use.Found that WD Software was taking a minute to load,I thought I'd disabled it with Ccleaner.In the end it knocked off 1.45 min.
Think it's still in the beta stage though but it's worth a try.

globe
08-01-2012, 08:21 PM
so i've done a complete reinstall of windows. Just rebooted twice striaght after install and the boot up times are 3.42 and 3.45 ( i noted on the second time of booting it took 55secs to get past the gigabyte motherboard splash prior to the starting windows logo/page appearing).

So now that I have gone the whole hog and the issue is still there any other suggestions ? Could it be in the BIOS perhaps ? I did read somewhere where somebody had a slow PC and it was to do with their RAM needing to be wound back (or something) ? To my knowledge I haven't modified anything in bios or on the ram.

Thanks

wainuitech
08-01-2012, 08:55 PM
Your motherboard, going by the spec's you listed, is running well within the RAM speed. You stated previously "Kingston Valueram 4gb 1333mhz Ddr3 Non-ecc Cl9 Dimm "

"3.Support for DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz memory modules"

Have you tried setting the BIOS back to default ?

One thing comes to mind -- when starting does the HDD activity light flash or is it on solid while its at the splash screen stage ?

Just got a funny feeling ( ewwwww :p ) something is having a problem detecting (could be completely wrong).

globe
08-01-2012, 09:16 PM
Have you tried setting the BIOS back to default ? No, I will try that


One thing comes to mind -- when starting does the HDD activity light flash or is it on solid while its at the splash screen stage ?

Just got a funny feeling ( ewwwww :p ) something is having a problem detecting (could be completely wrong).

I'll restart and have a look.

Am presently running at the basic windows 7 level no system restore or anything so I guess this is the cleanest I will get things and therefore the best time to try all this ?

wainuitech
08-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Am presently running at the basic windows 7 level no system restore or anything so I guess this is the cleanest I will get things and therefore the best time to try all this ? yep, with nothing to slow it down ( like AV and other programs loading) it should be as quick as its gonna get.

Have you installed the motherboard Drivers ?

Just a thought - have a look in the event Viewer, see if theres any errors yet. Start, type in eventvwr select Event Viewer, Look at the windows logs / System and any others that take your fancy.

globe
08-01-2012, 09:28 PM
Have you installed the motherboard Drivers ? not yet.

Reset BIOS ? Can't find this either. IN the BIOS screen options (that I think may be the answer) are Q-flash, load fail safe defaults, and load optimized defaults. Any pointers ?

Cheers

Agent_24
08-01-2012, 10:36 PM
Load fail safe defaults and see if that helps.

Have you tried unplugging\removing all non-essential parts and peripherals?

Swap keyboard\mouse if you need to. Try a different HDD data AND power cable.

globe
09-01-2012, 10:31 AM
well not sure what i've done but it is now down to 45-50s after a complete reinstall and restore of the cloned image i did (using the win7 image cloning thingy).

Starting reinstalling the image last night, changed my mind and canceled part way through, windows wouldn't resstart, used the install disc to carry out repair over night, woke up and it told me it couldn't fix it, restarted and auto repair tried and failed to fix again, did complete reinstall and time was down sub minute (and has remained so since).

So I'll be buggered if I know what happened, but I'm going to live with 45seconds I think, thanks for all the help guys (was a good learning experience too)