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Metla
14-12-2011, 06:44 PM
So far.

A phone interview. 40 minutes.
A phone call to schedule the real interview
A phone call to prep me for the interview, 20 minutes
The interview, Panel of managers, Star system (situation, task,action,result) 1 hour

Just received the phone call advising me that I was being called back for the second round on Monday.

Another interview, This time with the regional manger of the division. 1 hour
Then I have to make a 15 minute presentation to the site management team
Medical 1 hour
Site tour 30 minutes

In the meantime...

We would like you to complete the following:
Verbal Assessment- approx 17-20 minutes to complete the timed assessment, allow 45 minutes overall
Numeric Assessment- approx 17-20 minutes to complete the timed assessment, allow 45 minutes overall
Personality Questionnaire-not timed, allow 25 minutes overall

***, They are going to find out real quick I'm not very smart or likable, Lmfao.

Right now I'm just going to stress over the presentation, That crap aint what I do....

KarameaDave
14-12-2011, 06:53 PM
Little wonder so many don't feel like trying to gain employment :( , this shite is prevalent in too many industries today.
You have my sympathies.

Paul.Cov
14-12-2011, 06:55 PM
Yeah, it can seem like your knowledge, plus your ability to mix within a team comes secondary to how well you can patiently kiss managements butt.

Every now and then it might actually be appropriate to put PC aside and call tossers... tossers. Makes for better management in my opinion if they employ a team who respect individuality and differences of opinion, and that should include hiring people with the courage to say "this is bollox".:devil

Wouldn't bank on it panning out that way though!

Good luck regardless of the route you choose to take.

Being frank gets more difficult when there's others jobs or other mouths to feed hanging in the balance.

Jen
14-12-2011, 07:16 PM
***, They are going to find out real quick I'm not very smart or likable, Lmfao.

Right now I'm just going to stress over the presentation, That crap aint what I do....Those tests aren't necessarily for finding the 'smart' ones, but picking up the below-average skills.

I presume this is a H&S type role? In that case you may be expected to give talks or presentations to staff as part of their training. If you know your stuff and put on a confident manner (regardless how you really feel), it will come across OK. Plan your talk and practice well ahead of time.


I wouldn't mention in the personality test you recently asked how to dispose of a body...

CliveM
14-12-2011, 07:24 PM
Guess it all depends on wether you want the job or not Mets. Either play their game or tell them where to go. All the best whichever you choose.

Metla
14-12-2011, 07:32 PM
Yep, Its a H&S role. I'm punching well above my weight but If I get it the payoff will be awesome, part of the package is training at a higher and more specialised level then what is available anywhere. Expertise is a requirement before being let loose on the plant floor.

But, If I invest all this effort into and fall short I'll be gutted.

This is imo a very intimidating process but the presentation is the only thing I'm really worried about, Interviews are a walk in the park, I've "chaired" or talked at 100's of meetings to groups of various sizes but they would be considered informal in comparison. Sometimes I made notes, other times I just winged it. I'm not so much the corporate "powerpoint" type of guy, Hell, On Monday they are going to discover I only own the one shirt.

I get the impression that this is getting rushed, it isn't normal for The medical, site tour and management presentation to take place directly after the second interview but only to be scheduled dependent on the second interview.

Poppa John
14-12-2011, 07:48 PM
[I only own the one shirt.

I get the impression that this is getting rushed, it isn't normal for The medical, site tour and management presentation to take place directly after the second interview but only to be scheduled dependent on the second interview.[/QUOTE]

Think positive...you have the job but they have to go thr'o the formailties. Hence the apparent rush.
I have shirts but you are a "little" larger than me!!!!! PJ

plod
14-12-2011, 08:26 PM
Yep, Its a H&S role. I'm punching well above my weight but If I get it the payoff will be awesome, part of the package is training at a higher and more specialised level then what is available anywhere. Expertise is a requirement before being let loose on the plant floor.

Nothing wrong with punching above your weight, I have a mate that has progressed quite far in a short period by doing this. Its all about have confidence in yourself, which I'm sure you are not short of.

WalOne
14-12-2011, 10:30 PM
I'm punching well above my weight


Don't underestimate yourself!

I get the impression that this is getting rushed, it isn't normal for The medical, site tour and management presentation to take place directly after the second interview but only to be scheduled dependent on the second interview.


I agree with Poppa John, it seems the job may well be yours, faite accompli. But don't become complacent, which you're not

***, They are going to find out real quick I'm not very smart or likable, Lmfao. Right now I'm just going to stress over the presentation, That crap aint what I do....


Now that's crap. You're a pretty sound thinker, just play the politics for the couple of hours you need to - know what to kiss and when. One of your skills is communicating - you've got a lot going for you.

Best wishes Mets and good luck :)

R2x1
14-12-2011, 10:35 PM
Stand at the front of the room. Invite those who have not the mental capacity to fully asses and comprehend what you are about to elucidate, and what follows, to leave the room and give earnest consideration to preparing a fresh CV. Advise those remaining there will be a severe oral examination on all subjects you intend to cover on the actual and implied matters arising therefrom. Penalty for failure - - instant dismissal and relocation to Wellington.
Ask those who have ever used the phrase "Going forward" to move to the back yard and stand in an orderly line against the wall to await a report. (An aural report, not a prissy written one.)
Wake the other remaining person and advise that he/she has been appointed social secretary and is expected to arrange the drinks PDQ.
Give silent thanks that you only have to deal with executive dorks and not something as complex or relevant as a mob of 2 sheep.

Easy really, this is the very system that has kept me self-employed for a fair while.

Should you fail to heed my advice; good luck anyway.

dugimodo
14-12-2011, 10:37 PM
Good luck, sounds like you're in with a good chance, they tend to stop after the first couple of steps if they aren't interested.

I don't really see much value in a lot of assessments though, many of them it's easy to see what the expected or politically correct answer is and mask your true depravity.
Some are tricky though, designed with no truly obvious answer.

WalOne
14-12-2011, 10:43 PM
it's easy to see what the expected or politically correct answer is and mask your true depravity.


:lol: :lol:

pctek
15-12-2011, 06:41 AM
So far.

A phone interview. 40 minutes.
A phone call to schedule the real interview
A phone call to prep me for the interview, 20 minutes
The interview, Panel of managers, 1 hour
Another interview, . 1 hour
15 minute presentation to the site management team
Medical 1 hour
Site tour 30 minutes

Verbal Assessment- approx 17-20 minutes
Numeric Assessment- approx 17-20 l
Personality Questionnaire-not timed
.

Oh god. One of those.
What I hate about companies like that is you find they are then so hung up on bureaucracy and BS they don't actually accomplish much.

A certain job I got at a certain large Aussie corp was like that.

Then when the job started - training? What training? Morale among existing staff - zero.
I discovered they'd already sacked one team elsewhere because the **** hit the fan, customers complained - no-one knew what they were doing.
Our team - we got a 5 minute speech on make sure you speak up if you need more training, I spoke up immediately and was ignored.

I moved on and decided they could self-destruct without me.

prefect
15-12-2011, 08:56 AM
I just cull out anyone who smokes, has tats, solo parents, jail birds, wearing Bourbon or HD apparel, look at their car and see if it clean inside WOF and rego.

Marnie
15-12-2011, 09:24 AM
Best of luck, Metla. I am not sure when it started that hopeful applicants have to run the gambit of the latest system, but if you want the job badly enough you will do it their way, at least at first!!

A recent email from a friend in UK told me her her husband went through the job applying system. He thought he had ticked all the boxes, then missed out. Apparently, the person left in charge of sifting through the CV's was a 17 year old girl with no qualifications or no knowledge of aircraft and had been with the secondary company for less than a year. She was under instructions not to read notes from bosses but to look for specific words on the CV.

SP8's
15-12-2011, 09:59 AM
Metla my man ... GO FOR IT !!! Don't mention means of getting rid of dead bodies ... just relax and be yourself during the presentation ... No worries !!

Good luck.

DeSade
15-12-2011, 10:41 AM
I just cull out anyone who smokes, has visible tats, solo parents, jail birds, wearing Bourbon or HD apparel, look at their car and see if it clean inside WOF and rego.

Fixed that for you Prefect.
:)

pctek
15-12-2011, 11:07 AM
I just cull out anyone who .................
I get the impression if you had lived 60 odd years ago, you'd for sure have bveen joining in the culling, loading them on trains and so on.

I've never met such an intolerant, nasty person as you.

DeSade
15-12-2011, 11:26 AM
Don't really think that particular culling is ever appropriate to joke about.

johcar
15-12-2011, 11:34 AM
All the tests that appear to be a requirement for this process are a lazy substitute for a good interview process.

The personality test especially - these are typically less than 50% indicative of what the person is really like (due to subjective interpretation of the questions being asked, how much sleep you've had and your mood at the time).

Personality tests were created by psychologists (a 'science' where there are no wrong answers) as a tool for lazy HR people to put potential employees into boxes.

The problem is (assuming personality tests are accurate, which they are not), if you specify a particular personality type and ONLY hire people like that, it is a recipe for disaster, since everyone will be the same - with all the potential for friction within the team that brings. Progress comes where people have differing views...

The best way to establish what someone is like is to talk to them and their colleagues (if possible) and/or their friends (if possible) - but that takes time, and relies on the interviewer asking the right questions and interpreting the answers correctly - a skill which is entirely uncommon in HR departments (and even most recruiters) these days.

Thankfully I am no longer in the position of having to sit through those crap tests, but if I was, I would point blank refuse to take a personality test (and explain why).

That said, I wish you all the best and reiterate what WalOne says above (post #9).

Metla
15-12-2011, 11:54 AM
I've done one of these personality tests before.

I failed to get that position after doing the test, lmao, so I asked for a copy of it.

It was a good six pages of text, that in itself rang a few alarm bells, What it contained reminded me of a very elaborate astrology reading (which is of course pure fantasy)

Anyhow, I showed it to my darling wife who found much merriment in the attributes and behaviors they claimed I possessed, there was a lot of chuckling, shaking of her head and stating "thats not you at all".

In short it was a disgraceful load of bunk, a waste of every bodies time and somebodies money.

plod
15-12-2011, 12:07 PM
I get the impression if you had lived 60 odd years ago, you'd for sure have bveen joining in the culling, loading them on trains and so on.

I've never met such an intolerant, nasty person as you.
Godwins law, thread closed :rolleyes:

prefect
15-12-2011, 01:16 PM
I get the impression if you had lived 60 odd years ago, you'd for sure have bveen joining in the culling, loading them on trains and so on.

I've never met such an intolerant, nasty person as you.
I guess a happy birthday is out of the question then lol.

KiwiTT_NZ
16-12-2011, 07:22 AM
Little wonder so many don't feel like trying to gain employment :( , this shite is prevalent in too many industries today.
You have my sympathies.This is one of the main reasons I decided to retire, as opposed to continuing with work and trying to get it.

I'll do part-time work from now on.

haree
17-12-2011, 02:31 AM
Yes i appreciate to your knowledge. This is the great idea that you have. I really appreciate to you about this post. Keep it up man

Cicero
18-12-2011, 09:15 AM
And there we have a great example of pointlessness.

Trev
18-12-2011, 10:55 AM
Troll post.
:)

Scouse
18-12-2011, 11:40 AM
Hi Mets...
Similar to one of your old jobs?
http://www.imagef1.net.nz/upload/job.jpg

Metla
18-12-2011, 11:48 AM
Hi Mets...
Similar to one of your old jobs?
http://www.imagef1.net.nz/upload/job.jpg

The new role or the photo?

Placing small machines on the top floor of a building and breaking it down floor by floor is the best method for demolition of a high-rise building in most cases, In the photo they are doing a number of things poorly, but that's expected in that part of the world.

Renmoo
18-12-2011, 03:51 PM
In the photo they are doing a number of things poorly, but that's expected in that part of the world.
I'm curious to know some examples in that photo.

Metla
18-12-2011, 04:23 PM
I'm curious to know some examples in that photo.

Of what they are doing wrong?

They are loading up the floors with debris, It not only puts the weight on parts of the building that aren't structural and can cause collapse but it hides any visual indicators that a fault is happening. Plus it makes moving around the site difficult for man and machine, And when plant is moved over debris rather then over a clean level slab it causes shock through the structure.

Secondly it looks like they have just randomly pushed crap off the building, To do it properly they should have a nominated area, well fenced and controlled by spotters, That one area needs to be cleaned out daily at least. Otherwise you end up with a messy dangerous site and then you have to try and clean it up while demolition is being carried out above you.The pressure will come on when the building demolition catches up with the debris on the ground. This is incompetence on a grand scale and there is no way anyone with such a poor grasp on what they are doing should be allowed on a high-rise demolition.

Also, they should have a plan in place so that they are on the next floor down, surrounded by walls rather then an uncontrolled drop, You use the existing structure as your safety rail, and have a secondary machine moving the rubble to the disposal point/area. It takes a little extra thinking but it can easily be done in a safe manner.

The building itself should probably be propped on each floor to provide a safe working platform for the excavators, This is usually done to the design of an engineer who has studied the building construction, the demolition methodology and the expected shock to the structure, Going by that mess I'd say none of that has been done.

Neither of the two men are in vests, if they were they stick out like dogs balls, no matter what anyone's opinion of vests are, they work a treat. And they should have some working at heights gear if they are going to be wandering around like that, It takes 3 minutes to drill an attachment point into the slab, and less then 5 seconds to click onto it.

Lastly the engine cover on that pile of crap excavator is most likely in a raised position because its over-heating, or breaking down, Which is not the quality of gear you need to be using in a high risk environment.

Metla
18-12-2011, 04:26 PM
Just to add to that, If a machine goes through the floor of a building they generally go though the next one as well...and the next and the next, and they don't stop until they hit the ground floor or end up in the basement where they are then smashed with falling debris, If the fall doesn't kill them then there is a good chance what followes then down will, either by further impact, suffocation or making it impossible to perform a rescue.

Its very rare that anyone lives through such an incident.

Twelvevolts
18-12-2011, 05:53 PM
Not many years ago two days assessment centres were in vogue for jobs - I always thought they must be testing perseverance. Although in all honesty I reckon that even after two days it will come down to gut feel. That's why I interview over a coffee first - gets rid of the ones who fail the gut feel test (as well as the ones who just out right lie in their CV).

Metla
19-12-2011, 02:04 PM
Nailed it.

The hardest part was holding in my pee during an hour long interview and a half hour site, And when it came to filling up the jar the torrent wouldn't stop.

Anyhow, I'm happy with how it went, Now its just to wait and see what they decide.

Snorkbox
19-12-2011, 02:50 PM
Good luck Metla.

gary67
19-12-2011, 03:10 PM
Lets hope you really did nail it, sounds like you could do with a break

Metla
19-12-2011, 05:01 PM
Lets hope you really did nail it, sounds like you could do with a break

Nah, I'm an ********, I get plenty of breaks, Get everything all sweet, then I throw it all away.

beetle
19-12-2011, 05:09 PM
You cant be all that bad, youre still here, teddy bear bits and fluffy slippers and all......:D
:) and you made me a puter and it is still going......... might be time for a new one, but oh well.....
beetle

KarameaDave
21-12-2011, 10:41 AM
Good luck , Metla

DeSade
21-12-2011, 10:59 AM
Grats Metla hope you get it.

Things are not so great with me, few more interviews but no offers yet.

beetle
21-12-2011, 11:55 AM
When were they going to make their decision?

before or after xmas?


beetle

Metla
21-12-2011, 12:16 PM
I didn't ask.


Doh!!!


Though I did quote a cracked.com article during the interview.

Metla
21-12-2011, 04:24 PM
And, its a fail.

Woohoo.

beetle
21-12-2011, 06:46 PM
Didnt you want the job? seems a lot of effort if you dont want the job in the first place......:o

oh well better luck next time ???????

beetle :)

Metla
21-12-2011, 06:51 PM
I'm more then slightly disappointed.

beetle
21-12-2011, 06:53 PM
So woohoo is a bad woohoo not a ya hoo woo hoo..............lol

hmmmm


beetle

KarameaDave
21-12-2011, 07:37 PM
Bugger.

WalOne
21-12-2011, 08:19 PM
Sorry mate.

mikebartnz
21-12-2011, 08:51 PM
Commisserations.

Snorkbox
21-12-2011, 08:52 PM
Damn.

Metla
21-12-2011, 09:01 PM
Yeah, I'm spewing, Though I have to hand it to them, There rigorous jumping through hoops showed up a couple areas of weakness, Though I don't know if I agree with the mentality of trying as hard as possible to find reasons not to hire someone.

I excelled in most areas, and those that are lacking were just from lack of use, and these abilities would have come up to strength in less time then it would have taken to become familiar with the role. The job was well within my abilities.

Never mind.

johcar
21-12-2011, 09:13 PM
Did you ask for feedback on what they thought were your "areas of weakness" - as opposed to what you thought that they thought?

Metla
21-12-2011, 09:21 PM
Oh, they told me alright, though I was astute enough to see it as well, I had hoped my strengths in other areas would have helped me but, not enough.

The presentation, They said my content was excellent, But the fact I came from a background of zero formal presentations was of concern and I was therefore lacking in delivery experience.

Numeric Assessment, and this ties back into the presentation I gather as you correlate the data from the work site into spic little graphs and set them into a slide show, Anyhow, I received a D, the worst possible being an E. It wasn't overly hard, I'm just so out of practice that I struggled with it. If I had been shown once how to do what they wanted I could have raced through it 100 times.

My verbal reasoning assessment was at the other end of the scale, An A rating with comment that I excelled at it and far exceeded the norm.

Anyhow, I'm yet to be convinced a presentation has actually ever solved any issue, But I'm confident if I had sat through one I could have taken the next.

pctek
21-12-2011, 09:24 PM
There rigorous jumping through hoops showed up a couple areas of weakness,. The job was well within my abilities.

Never mind.

I've had that. Mostly a waste of time asking too, they get all evasive.

Sucks, huh. Sympathies and remember the better job is out there. Hard to do, I know, some days you can't, then again other days...well.

I quite like this one I have now. Money could be better, some really annoying little irritations but on the whole it's good. And I went through a few - a few who wished to keep me and I didn't much to the horror of certain of my relatives.

But it works both ways - you have to like them and the way they do things too. Not much use long term if you don't.....

Sounds like that crowd you went to was too hung up on the red tape to me...

Enjoy the sunshine meanwhile and think about us stuck indoors with a headset attached...

lakewoodlady
22-12-2011, 11:12 AM
Sorry to hear you missed out on it Metla :(

LL

beetle
22-12-2011, 11:30 AM
Its all experience, and now you no, good bad or otherwise.


life is full of experiences, and some we just want to forget and others are awesome, we just have to get through the grind of life and make the most of things,

and at the moment Wanganuis weather is gorgeous. enjoy the vacation while ya can :)

beetle

Metla
22-12-2011, 11:35 AM
Its all good, Onto the next plan of extreme cunning.

Next time I'll claim a huge experience in presentations.

Can't aim high without factoring in the crash landing.

xpresshred
22-12-2011, 06:08 PM
Getting a job by telephonic interview call and there are many round to get a job,
written test,Present on any topic or group discussion,written test
A phone call to schedule the real interview
A phone call to prep me for the interview, 20 minutes
HR round to get a job.

Myth
23-12-2011, 06:21 AM
All the best Metla :D

I got told a month ago I was being laid off - today was my final day
Sometime during that month - the parent company sent my CV to a local Temp agency.
I went in Friday last week... get told we have been waiting for you.. we have a role lined up... will see if we can get you interview today.
Got interview Monday morning, got offered role during that interview. Tuesday start - working through.

Now earning 2/3 more than previous role for similar duties - different industry. If I get picked up by company (they are looking to fill permanent position); salary expected to be mid 50K +. I am freakin (not word I wanna use but you get idea) ecstatic.
Old job ~33K - single income family with one under 10

Merry Xmas y'all :D

Chin up if you are job hunting... you can't always see whats coming on the horizon ...

WalOne
23-12-2011, 09:55 AM
All the best Metla :D

I got told a month ago I was being laid off - today was my final day
Sometime during that month - the parent company sent my CV to a local Temp agency.
I went in Friday last week... get told we have been waiting for you.. we have a role lined up... will see if we can get you interview today.
Got interview Monday morning, got offered role during that interview. Tuesday start - working through.

Now earning 2/3 more than previous role for similar duties - different industry. If I get picked up by company (they are looking to fill permanent position); salary expected to be mid 50K +. I am freakin (not word I wanna use but you get idea) ecstatic.
Old job ~33K - single income family with one under 10

Merry Xmas y'all :D

Chin up if you are job hunting... you can't always see whats coming on the horizon ...


You certainly landed on your feet! Congratulations and Merry Christmas :thumbs:

Now let's hope all those others needing a job have the same good fortune.

mikebartnz
23-12-2011, 12:52 PM
All the best Metla :D

I got told a month ago I was being laid off - today was my final day
Sometime during that month - the parent company sent my CV to a local Temp agency.
I went in Friday last week... get told we have been waiting for you.. we have a role lined up... will see if we can get you interview today.
Got interview Monday morning, got offered role during that interview. Tuesday start - working through.

Now earning 2/3 more than previous role for similar duties - different industry. If I get picked up by company (they are looking to fill permanent position); salary expected to be mid 50K +. I am freakin (not word I wanna use but you get idea) ecstatic.
Old job ~33K - single income family with one under 10
Good to hear. I hope you thanked your previous company for sending your CV in. That alone was a good pat on the back.

rob_on_guitar
23-12-2011, 03:11 PM
All the best Metla :D

I got told a month ago I was being laid off - today was my final day
Sometime during that month - the parent company sent my CV to a local Temp agency.
I went in Friday last week... get told we have been waiting for you.. we have a role lined up... will see if we can get you interview today.
Got interview Monday morning, got offered role during that interview. Tuesday start - working through.

Now earning 2/3 more than previous role for similar duties - different industry. If I get picked up by company (they are looking to fill permanent position); salary expected to be mid 50K +. I am freakin (not word I wanna use but you get idea) ecstatic.
Old job ~33K - single income family with one under 10

Merry Xmas y'all :D

Chin up if you are job hunting... you can't always see whats coming on the horizon ...

Freakin awesome!