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xXjaspaXx
01-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Hey there I currently have a cheap little HP Pavilion DV1000 (old I know) and would like to either custom build or buy a cheap gaming system that costs in around the $800 range, It isn't for any of the newer games that rely on a really powerful system but is more for running games with specs like Left 4 Dead, if anyone could recommend a system to look at or somewhere that I could get cheap parts would be awesome.

Thanks in advance :)

pctek
01-09-2011, 06:16 PM
$800??
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=54/ID=16348/SID=242788047/productdetails.html

Well, if you reused the case, reused optical drives, hard drives and just change MB, CPU, RAM, PSU and most important of all GPU, you might get away with it.

xXjaspaXx
01-09-2011, 09:37 PM
haha yeah it's just a rough estimate I could pay more but as I am only 16 thats alot of money to save :D, the case, and drives are no biggie I can get them for free it's more the CPU, PSU, MB and the GPU that I need help with finding

xXjaspaXx
01-09-2011, 09:45 PM
I need a Graphics card that is Pixel Shader and Vertex Shader compatible and roughly a CPU that can put out at least 2.00Ghz or 3.00Ghz processing speed, I already know how much RAM I want and where I can get it the trouble is finding a compatible motherboard, if you could recommend anything that would be great

xXjaspaXx
01-09-2011, 10:03 PM
the other option is that I buy better, more expensive parts seperatly and slowly build the PC up from the MB but as I said I need help with finding compatible parts as I only have a small amount of knowledge when it comes to this, putting the PC together is easy it's just compatibility that I struggle with, thanks for any help you can give me :)

Deimos
01-09-2011, 11:58 PM
I think it would be pretty much impossible to find a discreet video card that doesn't have pixel and vertex shaders these days.

If you are keen to put something together your self have a look at pricespy.co.nz

pctek
02-09-2011, 08:36 AM
it's more the CPU, PSU, MB and the GPU that I need help with finding
So go off the parts listed in that quote then. It's a good GPU and thats the most important part of a gaming PC.

MB, CPU and RAM generally have to be done all at once.

dugimodo
02-09-2011, 09:43 AM
tough to do for $800
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=12631 $135
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=9100 $169
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=11848 $109
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=15359 $209

Just over $600, you should probably add a PSU and maybe windows depending what you have.
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14392 $148 I'd consider this the starting point for a gaming psu
makes it $750 with no OS
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=10410 $179
makes it over $900 including OS

Normally I would reccomend a sandy bridge i5 and an nVidia graphics card for gaming ( 560ti for example) but the parts I listed will play pretty much everything as long as you don't expect high ress or full eye candy and given your budget may be as good as you can manage.

If you dont need windows or a psu spend the extra on the graphics card.

Driftwood
02-09-2011, 09:45 AM
If you are on a limited budget, have you concidered a used gaming system, perhaps on trademe.

dugimodo
02-09-2011, 11:45 AM
I decided to try again on Paradigms website as they have some cheaper options than computer lounge, this is a cut and past of a shopping cart from them (www.pp.co.nz (http://www.pp.co.nz)). I didn't quite hit $800 but it's close.
There are a few compromises, but it should be a reasonable machine for the price.
I just enjoy figuring this stuff out, don't have anything to do with any of these companies :)


Qty PPID Price (each) Line Total Control

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AA25316 $90.00 $90.00 Delete
Asus M4N68T-M V2 Nvidia GeForce 7025 Socket AM3 microATX Motherboard

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AA20172 $179.00 $179.00 Delete
AMD Phenom II X4 955 (3.2Ghz) 8MB Cache *Quad Core* Black Edition 5200Mhz Socket AM3 CPU + Fan Retail Boxed (HDZ955FBGMBOX)

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AA09359 $49.00 $49.00 Delete
Kingston ValueRam 4GB Dual Channel kit 2x 2GB PC10666 DDR3 (1333Mhz) Memory CL9 (KVR1333D3N9K2/4G)

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AA31610 $143.00 $143.00 Delete
Corsair Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX Power Supply Unit

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AA28305 $226.00 $226.00 Delete
Asus nVidia GeForce GTX550 Ti ENGTX550 Ti DC/DI/1GD5 1GB PCI-Express Video Card *VGA *DVI *HDMI

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AA18772 $153.00 $153.00 Delete
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - License and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit (GFC-00599)

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Total Cart Value: $840.00

xXjaspaXx
02-09-2011, 08:17 PM
Thank you for all the help, I should no longer have to worry about a PSU or MB as I should be able to take the ones out of my mothers PC, any recommendations for graphics cards and processors? These are the main things that I am worried about finding as they are the most important part of a gaming rigg, thanks again for all the help much appreciated

xXjaspaXx
02-09-2011, 08:31 PM
Question; What would be a better motherboard to get? AMD or Intel? just wondering as I have noticed AMD MB's do not support Intel parts, so what would I be better off to get? I'm just confused by this as am not sure whether AMD or Intel are better for gaming, the case I'm looking at only supports ATX Mother boards but I could find another case if need be, thanks for all the help guys it's much appreciated

icow
02-09-2011, 09:11 PM
AMD will be far cheaper. Example: AMD 965 X4 BE for $200 will out perform the closest priced intel cpu (i3 2100 or 2120) @ $188-$218. Also if you get an old AMD motherboard make sure it has an AM3 socket and like wise for intel at least a 775 (core 2 duo/quad) ,a 1155 or 1156 for the igeneration cpus. I would personally recommend AMD. Also would you still be prepared to $800 now that you dont need a mobo or psu. If so you could probably spend more on the gpu but make sure the psu is up to a more powerful gpu.

pctek
02-09-2011, 09:57 PM
What would be a better motherboard to get? AMD or Intel?
You can't use the old MB. Motherboards are specific, socket wise - for the newer CPUs, RAM wise for DDR3 now, and also what other connectors and stuff they have.

You decide on what CPU you want and match the motherboard.

AMD and Intel is like Ford and Holden. Or is that Holden and Ford. Pepsi and Coke.
Whatever.

The absolute top best high end CPU is currently Intels - but that's not in your budget anyway and yes, in general AMD is a lot cheaper than INtel

So go with AMD, more money for the rest of the stuff then.

Don't skimp on graphics.

xXjaspaXx
02-09-2011, 11:17 PM
ok so AMD it is, I'm not sure on the age of the motherboard in the current PC we have but I'm pretty sure it's relatively new as it was a custom build by my mothers work friend.

here is the motherboard I am looking at for the time being, can anyone let me know if it is any good? I have never really had the need to look at motherboards before so don't really understand how to read the specs >.<

http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=261/ID=16427/SID=942525773/productdetails.html

also the PSU I have should be enough to run the system as the rig it is currently in is rather power hungry as it has to run 6 fans and interior lighting etc. I would be surprised if it didn't have enough power to run the new system, but i shall look into it when i pull it apart :D

also what should I look for to make sure that the graphics card will be compatible with the motherboard.

this is the processor I am looking at also:

http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=187/ID=16402/SID=764237872/productdetails.html

I may be able to get a discount on parts due to my mothers work discount which will help me in the long run :) so feel free to make slightly more expensive part suggestions

icow
02-09-2011, 11:47 PM
That board is a bit useless as the second pci-e slot is only x4. If you have the money to sli/cf you would want at least x8. sli/cf is the only reason I'd buy that board and its not even that good for it. If you are going to use that cpu there is no point in getting a board that will sli/cf. Also for gaming I would not use that cpu go for at least a 955 X4. If you are going for a budget build from playtech I'd get this: http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=262/ID=16413/SID=461619355/productdetails.html

I would say that dugimodo's second pc is your best bet.

xXjaspaXx
02-09-2011, 11:59 PM
If you have the money to sli/cf you would want at least x8. sli/cf is the only reason I'd buy that board and its not even that good for it. If you are going to use that cpu there is no point in getting a board that will sli/cf.

Thanks for the pointer, question though, what is sli/cf? also what is the difference between the CPU i am looking at and a 955 X4?

xXjaspaXx
03-09-2011, 12:38 AM
Ok I've had a look around at CPU's on PlayTech and found this:

http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=188/ID=16389/SID=802237602/productdetails.html

I took icow's comment into account and decided that I'd making the motherboard that he suggested an option and am now wondering if it would be compatible with the above CPU, here is the Motherboard:

http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=262/ID=16413/SID=461619355/productdetails.html

Also I have had trouble finding RAM for DDR3 DIMM sockets, if anyone could again make some sort of suggestions that would be great :)

xXjaspaXx
03-09-2011, 12:56 AM
also A Graphics Card suggestion would be awesome, I'm not very experienced when it comes to this kind of stuff although I wont have a problem putting it all together, so thanks for the help

dugimodo
03-09-2011, 11:52 AM
Ok a couple of charts for you to consider, read the blurb above the chart so you understand what it means. Even better go to the first page and read the whole article.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,2997-7.html
Pick a graphics card as high up the chart as you can go.

Also
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-gaming-performance,3007-5.html
Pick a CPU as high as you can go on that.

Dont worry about intel or AMD, and bear in mind opinions as to which is better are seldom unbiased, most benchmarks show that at the same price they tend to perform very close to each other depending on the task. (you'll note the i3 2100 is in fact rated higher than most black edition phenoms, the chart is purely about gaming at other things 4 cores makes more difference). Where AMD do rule is in the lost cost area with cheap motherboards and CPUs available, intel win in the high end performance department (for now anyway)

I'd consider a 560 ti as high as you need to go, but it may even be overkill depending on your screen.

Bottom line for you:
Any modern dual or quad core CPU over 3Ghz can play games reasonably well, intels performance lead generally means a dual core i3 will game as well as a quad core phenom
The graphics card is usually the biggest performance point in a gaming system, but some games do also push the cpu.


DDR3 RAM should be easy to find, it's very common right now. Buy a dual channel kit to avoid issues (its a matched pair tested to work together).
The FANS and lights mean nothing, a CPU can draw over 100 watts, a graphics card 200+ ( high end ones draw insane amounts ) Fans draw less than 5 watts, typically 0.25~2watts, lights also draw bugger all. Post the model and wattage of you PSU and we'll tell you if it's good enoough, same with the motherbard you want to re-use.

I'd reccomend:
Any i3 or i5 or phenom over 3Ghz - don't buy into the rivallry
4G Dual channel DDR3, 8G is better but only if you will run 64 bit windows and can spare the money
on the chart I linked any graphics card above the level of say a 550 ti / 6770. To give you a refernce for the chart, if I use a single one of my GTX460's I can play anything at 1920 x 1080 if I dont crank the eye candy too high, games look good and run smoothly on it.

Agent_24
03-09-2011, 09:40 PM
also the PSU I have should be enough to run the system as the rig it is currently in is rather power hungry as it has to run 6 fans and interior lighting etc. I would be surprised if it didn't have enough power to run the new system, but i shall look into it when i pull it apart :D

Actually, it probably doesn't.

Fans and Lights use bugger all power. A standard PC case fan uses about 0.15 Amps of current - or around 2 watts at 12 volts.
On the other hand, a graphics card takes a whole lot more.
My ATi HD5770 for example is rated at 18W of power consumption at idle but 108W maximum board power at load. This is clearly around 50 times the current draw of one fan.

The CPU will also use quite a bit of power.

You definitely need to get a decent PSU, the one dugimodo suggested (Corsair Builder Series CX600 V2 600W) would be a very wise choice.

Remember, the PSU supplies power to everything. Without good power, things will not run well. A lot of people disregard the PSU as 'that box that sits in the corner of the case' but really, it's pretty much the most important of the lot.

You can also think of it another way: Using a bad PSU in your computer is like using petrol with sawdust in it for your car.

icow
03-09-2011, 09:51 PM
As for the ram: http://pricespy.co.nz/category.php?l=s73323709&o=tillv_pop&cols=#prodlista take your pick. RAM speed doesnt matter to much if the memory is set to a higher speed than your motherboard can handle your motherboard should automatically lower the speed to a suitable value.
If you are unable to get a hold of a CX600 I have a GS600 PSU which was similarly priced iirc. I can recommend that as a good choice as well.

xXjaspaXx
04-09-2011, 01:12 AM
I'm pretty sure our PSU is 600W as I said I'll look into it when I get the time, thanks for all the help guys I think I've got what I wanted... cheers :)

pctek
04-09-2011, 09:01 AM
ok so AMD it is, I'm not sure on the age of the motherboard in the current PC we have but I'm pretty sure it's relatively new as it was a custom build by my mothers work friend.


also the PSU I have should be enough to run the system
also what should I look for to make sure that the graphics card will be compatible with the motherboard.


Motherboards - well depends on brand.
ASUS, Gigabyte.

PSU - that depends on brand too - a 600w crap PSU will most likely be a liar and not atcually 600w for starters and aslo dodgy.

Corsair, Enermax or Antec in that order.

One non-scientific, not technical, not 100% reliable way to see if a PSU is crap is weight.

Never come across a heavy crap PSU yet.

The correct way of course is to take note of what components in it (OVP etc and what brand components were used and whether or not they exaggerated the w.

Agent_24
04-09-2011, 12:38 PM
One non-scientific, not technical, not 100% reliable way to see if a PSU is crap is weight.

Never come across a heavy crap PSU yet.

Yes that method fails on PSUs like this: http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6341

xXjaspaXx
04-09-2011, 03:40 PM
well I'm looking at a gigabyte MB will be home this afternoon and will have a look at the PSU in mom's PC... the Motherboard has onboard graphics with a D-sub Port and a DVI-D Port, I don't understand the "onboard" part does this mean that I won't be able to install a Graphics card or do I need one that is compatible with one of either those types of ports??

xXjaspaXx
04-09-2011, 04:01 PM
Ok guys here's what I've got so far, let me know what you think...

Case:
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BitFenix Shinobi Mid Tower- $125 - Motherboards: Mini-ATX, mATX, ATX
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=182/ID=16338/SID=458271978/productdetails.html

Motherboard:
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Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P AM3+ AMD 760G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - $99.00
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=262/ID=16413/SID=461619355/productdetails.html


Processor:
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AMD Phenom II X4 850 Quad Core 3.3GHz 2MB L2 Cache 95W AM3 Retail - $149
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=188/ID=16389/SID=802237602/productdetails.html

Graphics Card:
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Asus EAH5450 SILENT
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=300/ID=14482/SID=709754895/productdetails.html

Memory:
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CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB)
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=254/ID=16264/SID=1017892938/productdetails.html

xXjaspaXx
04-09-2011, 06:58 PM
checked out the PSU in the PC it's only a 450W so unfortunatly will have to find another PSU, cooling wont be a problem haha got lots of fans that can fit into the case :D and a 500GB HDD so I'm good there :D

icow
04-09-2011, 07:05 PM
Do you still want to spend the full $800? I'll price you something out.

icow
04-09-2011, 07:17 PM
Dunno about teh psu havent used one personally but its antec and it was liked here (http://www.overclock.net/power-supplies/830193-antec-high-current-gamer.html)so i chucked it in, I assume 520w is more than enough for a 550 ti. Dunno if u needed an OS so i went for win7 HP 64bit (Best value). Since its 64bit i would personally recommend going to 8gb of ram considering the price of doing so. Prices are from elive.co.nz.3095

xXjaspaXx
04-09-2011, 08:28 PM
thanks for that i shall take a copy of the image to get a qoute from moms work too :D... does anyone know if the Asus EAH5450 is a good card for gaming on? I have noticed some people say no its not, but i have also seen videos of it running Crysis 2 on high graphics but low resolution

icow
04-09-2011, 09:03 PM
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=GeForce+GTS+450 Its ok but the 550ti is better. The Asus card your talking about from elive is $184. The extra $17 for the 550 ti is definitely worth it imo (when compared, see link).

xXjaspaXx
04-09-2011, 10:11 PM
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=301/ID=16381/SID=802237602/productdetails.html

is this a better one to get?

icow
04-09-2011, 10:14 PM
No.

8ftmetalhaed
04-09-2011, 10:29 PM
do not, I repeat, do not skimp on the graphics card.

Failing all else, get a motherboard with integrated graphics. Yes seriously. Then get a graphics card down the road.
The money I spent on my CPU and graphics card was about equal, AFAIK they were about 300 dollars each at the time of my build, and that was comparitively cheap.

The rather succinct analogy I've used before for this level of kit is that:
"he's saying if you needed a cpu and only had the change that you would find hunting under the couch cushions, a sempron would be a good choice.
Or perhaps a can of baked beans glued into the socket. Either would work at about the same efficiency. "

I know this from experience. I went from a geforce 440mx to a 5500fx on the old PC.

It didn't let me do anything new, or anything stellar. It just let me do what I could do at the time, but better.
In retrospect, I should've saved the cash and spent it on the new build, or something. Because while it was cool having an extra couple FPS running through smoke grenades in CS1.6, it ultimately wasn't worth it.

Same deal here. You would do better sticking with what you've got/what you're able to get now, and do a full BOOM upgrade later.
If it's not going to make you go 'wow' for what you spend on it, then don't bother.

edit - it seems you're looking at one with onboard graphics. I'm not sure if that'll be dedicated chip or on die with the CPU, but if the latter you'll need a specific CPU for that. If it's dedicated, then go for that for now. Upgrade to a card later.

dugimodo
05-09-2011, 03:03 PM
Did you read the charts / articles I linked? they would pretty much have answered your graphics card questions. Maybe I got carried away and made too large a post?

The gear you linked was all good except the graphics card as others have pointed out, the cheaper you go on graphics the sooner you'll find it won't play something.

Go for
550Ti or 6770 as a minimum
560Ti or 6850 if you can afford it

Should cover you for a while.

Agent_24
05-09-2011, 03:56 PM
checked out the PSU in the PC it's only a 450W so unfortunatly will have to find another PSU

Just make sure it's a good brand like Corsair, Enermax or Antec etc.

Don't get cheap-ass PSUs like Solytech, Allied, Hyena. Remember, Thirty-Five Blue LEDs on a PSU does not make it a good PSU.

icow
05-09-2011, 05:44 PM
I think what 8ftmetalhead is trying to say is that your might be better to save your money and build bigger and better later or build a "base pc" which you can then chuck a massive gfx card and loads of ram in later.
If you are dead set on a computer now i agree with dugimdoo.
a 6770 will basically be the lowest you want to go for gaming (currently).
A 6850, 560Ti or even a 460GTX (a bit dated now the other two are better) will set you back $300+.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html find the 6770 or 550ti here and if you want to check out a gfx card aim for higher up the list.
BTW the tomshardware gfx card list is far better than that, look at that if you can find it.

xXjaspaXx
05-09-2011, 05:53 PM
Ok well I've had another look at graphics cards and I found a EVGA

GT430 http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=301/ID=16130/SID=160965521/productdetails.html

will it be compatible and any good? I will have a look at the 550ti

xXjaspaXx
05-09-2011, 05:58 PM
also remember this isn't for hard out games like Call Of Duty or anything so I don't need anything too flash :D

icow
05-09-2011, 06:12 PM
99.9% any pci express graphics card will be compatible with a new motherboard (only when the motherboard doesn't have a slot or doesn't support specific cards for odd reasons).
It scores extremely poorly: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+430 , even on low end builds for gaming you cant skimp on the gfx card, imo you should spend atleast $200 or close to the cost of your cpu.

xXjaspaXx
05-09-2011, 06:38 PM
well I don't really have that sort of money and the games I am looking at running are quite old E.g Fable, Need For Speed underground 2, I don't have alot of money so can't really buy anything over the $150 range for each part unfortunatly

8ftmetalhaed
05-09-2011, 06:51 PM
regardless of this, you must take into consideration certain things.

My laptop is alright, it runs l4d2 pretty well for what it cost. similar gpu to what you're currently fencing around.
However, if you got any decent sort of screen either now or in the future, your graphics card would suddenly have a whole lot more strain put on it.
Sure you could play at lower resolutions, but that would look nasty if it was a non-native resolution.
If it would play at all.

After I upgraded from a 1440x900 screen to this 1080p one, my fx5500 struggled like HELL to play cs1.6.
that's halflife 1's engine.

Same deal with the laptop. I can play things fine on my laptop screen, but connect an EXT screen and use another res, even slightly higher? big frame drop.

Basically, as far as I can tell that motherboard will come with a GPU on board. Anything you get in the current price range is going to basically be on par with that, plus a few frames more.
What you would be best off doing if you're really after a pc right now, would be get the integrated running, save your pennies, buy an ultra card later on, and that WILL make you go 'wow'.

xXjaspaXx
05-09-2011, 08:31 PM
ok well that is always an option, we shall see what happens... thanks for all the help guys

icow
05-09-2011, 08:52 PM
If your spending $150 tops on each part your looking a a total build cost of $600+. Are you only intending on spending that much? If so second hand gfx card is probably a good option.
Example of build intending to spend the max on each part:
Mobo: $88
CPU: $150
GFX: $150
RAM: $40
PSU: $100
OS: $163

pctek
05-09-2011, 09:01 PM
My laptop is alright, it runs l4d2 pretty well for what it cost. similar gpu to what you're currently fencing around.
However, if you got any decent sort of screen either now or in the future, your graphics card would suddenly have a whole lot more strain put on it.
Sure you could play at lower resolutions, but that would look nasty if it was a non-native resolution.
If it would play at all.

After I upgraded from a 1440x900 screen to this 1080p one, my fx5500 struggled like HELL to play cs1.6.
that's halflife 1's engine.


Yes.

Now, I think you should never skimp on GPU for gaming PCs. That's the whole point - gaming.

But if you really, really have to get some lame card, then TURN the resolution DOWN.

I would much rather have all the nice effects and detail at a lower res than a high res and crap looking graphics.

People always
1)Skimp on the GPU
2)Run at high resolutions and suffer the consequences in frame rates and/or detail.

dugimodo
05-09-2011, 09:20 PM
If you really are set on spending <$150 on a graphics card trademe might be a better bet.
BUT - honestly if you build a cheap machine, and use a smaller low res screen - say 1440x900, and your games are all a little older, then sure it'll play them fine and with almost any discrete graphics card. It's still a good Idea to spend as much as you can afford on graphics. For example an $89 CPU http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=11596 with a $200 Graphics card http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14936 will game better most of the time than if you get a quad core and a cheaper graphics card.

What people here are trying to advise you on is that if at any time you try and run on a higher res screen or a newer game you may well find your machine isn't up to it, people often start out only wanting to play a few easy games and quickly find themselves annoyed their new machine won't play new games well. You CAN build a cheap gaming machine and it WILL play games quite well, but bear in mind you are stuck with older or less demanding games or forced to reduce the graphics until it looks worse than a console.

I prefer PC gaming, but on a tight budget maybe you should consider an XBOX360 or a PS3? not trying to be funny.

xXjaspaXx
05-09-2011, 10:10 PM
I was going to have a look on trade me, and see how much mum's discount from PB Tech is... I dislike Xbox and PS3 as I never used them when I had them, I prefer to game online or play games on a PC... as time go's on and I get a job I will then be upgrading the PC that I build this is only a cheap temporary build to allow me to play some of the games I currently have that don't play on my laptop e.g. Left 4 Dead, Sims 3, and a few other games

8ftmetalhaed
05-09-2011, 10:13 PM
does your mum work at pb?
Failing that just ask if you can get a bundle deal, or something to that effect.

xXjaspaXx
05-09-2011, 10:19 PM
no she works at Imatech solutions but they get a discount from pb tech due to being on a business account

xXjaspaXx
06-09-2011, 08:27 PM
PB Tech has a EVGA GeForce 550TI for $199 I shall see how much it costs with the discount when she finds her password... might use X-mas money on it haha