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HighLatency
20-06-2011, 12:07 PM
Hey guys, I've been browsing this forum a lot recently and have been helped with some questions I've had. So, I've decided to join this lovely community with some more questions!

Anyway, I'm currently going through the process of planning a gaming PC build. I'm doing it peice by peice week by week. I'm looking at spending around $2,000 all up. My question is, what parts should I be looking at? And also, where should I look at sourcing these parts from? I've been looking the computer lounge a lot recently.

Any tips, advise would be very much appreciated! :thanks

Gobe1
20-06-2011, 12:41 PM
I guess the first question is whether you like Intel or AMD?

pctek
20-06-2011, 12:45 PM
What parts? What do you want as an end result? Do you prefer AMD to Intel or vice versa?

What sort of gaming? High-end FPSs? Mid range? Solitaire?

$2000 for what? The entire thing inc monitor, KB, mouse? Or just the box?
Including O/S or without?

Reputable shops:
Computer Lounge
Playtech
Ascent


Take a look at some of their gaming systems if you don't know where to start.

My recommendations for brands:

Motherboard - Asus or Gigabyte
GPU - ASUS or Gigabyte
HDD - Seagate or Western Digital
Optical drive - Liteon, ASUS, Sony
PSU - Corsair or Enermax
Case - whatever takes your fancy but NO bundled PSUs
RAM - too many to list

SolMiester
20-06-2011, 01:16 PM
If a gaming PC, i would go for the Intel Sandy Bridge platform over AMD, especially with a $2k budget.

HighLatency
20-06-2011, 01:19 PM
Thanks for the response. I really should have pointed out that I have a 22" screen, gaming mouse and Keyboard and I really am not fussed with the brands so long as the end result is good. I'm looking at playing graphic intensive games. I understand that $2000 is on the light side for building a gaming PC but hoping to get the best I can from it.

EDIT: Also, Without the OS.

pctek
20-06-2011, 01:26 PM
am not fussed with the brands so long as the end result is good..
Which is why brands matter.
You want it to last without dying on you?
Or you don't care if it all turns to **** in 5 minutes?

http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=54/ID=15296/SID=987738436/productdetails.html

HighLatency
20-06-2011, 01:32 PM
Sorry, I feel I should have said that differently. I mean I'm not fussed with Intel, AMD, nVidia or ATi. I have seen the Sandy bridge CPU's and by the sounds of it, I may be headed down that route.

SolMiester
20-06-2011, 01:37 PM
A quick build for you...

HighLatency
20-06-2011, 01:48 PM
That looks good, although I would drop the OS. Also, is there much difference in performance from the Sandy Bridge 2500 and the 2500k?

Speedy Gonzales
20-06-2011, 01:54 PM
Looks like the K can be overclocked, the 2500 can't be overclocked

SolMiester
20-06-2011, 02:11 PM
That looks good, although I would drop the OS. Also, is there much difference in performance from the Sandy Bridge 2500 and the 2500k?

If you already have x64 Windows 7, good, you could get me CPU cooler and optical drive instead...would be good for 4.4-4.5Ghz easy!

HighLatency
20-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Ah, right. Cheers. Would the graphics card be able to play most games on relatively high setting would it? I suppose my main concern would be the graphical processing.

SolMiester
20-06-2011, 02:28 PM
The 560 is a great combo for 1680x1050 22"LCD panels..More than enough!

HighLatency
20-06-2011, 02:36 PM
Cheers guys. I appreciate the help. I'll be buying the first parts this week so I'll get back if I have any issues. Really looking forward to putting it all together. :D

pctek
20-06-2011, 06:43 PM
Remembering the GPU is the most important component for gaming - not the CPU.

SolMiester
20-06-2011, 06:54 PM
Remembering the GPU is the most important component for gaming - not the CPU.

Platform I think as there is a good chance you will upgrade a GPU before CPU....His LCD & resolution is not high end, therefore a high end GPU is not required...He will not be GPU limited at his resolution either, however it is possible to have a RPG game stress even a Sandy Bridge....

Cato
20-06-2011, 07:03 PM
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14299 may be this would be better than the 560Ti for it's price?

dpDesignz
20-06-2011, 07:23 PM
+1 for computer lounge. They have a wicked forum too. Built my comp with them in January

Bobh
20-06-2011, 08:09 PM
ComputerLounge built my computer:thumbs:

Gobe1
20-06-2011, 08:17 PM
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14299 may be this would be better than the 560Ti for it's price?

Whooo need a large case for that one

clwsham
20-06-2011, 08:43 PM
Remembering the GPU is the most important component for gaming - not the CPU.

hes right... set aside about $600-$800 on the GPU set up- maybe a ati 6990 or dual ati 6970s in crossfire so u can power BAttlefield 3/Modern warfare 3...

Speedy Gonzales
20-06-2011, 08:58 PM
Correction. She

SolMiester
20-06-2011, 09:10 PM
hes right... set aside about $600-$800 on the GPU set up- maybe a ati 6990 or dual ati 6970s in crossfire so u can power BAttlefield 3/Modern warfare 3...

Ummm, no! at the low-mid range LCD's, those cards are wasted, especially if paired with a mid range CPU....
Check out techreport.com article on GTX460 with a list of CPU at HD resolution....
click me (http://techreport.com/articles.x/20188/4)
IMO a gamer would upgrade the card before the platform, which is why you need to get that sorted 1st!

Agent_24
20-06-2011, 09:23 PM
Remembering the GPU is the most important component for gaming - not the CPU.

x2

And I'd add that since the PSU powers everything, consider it the most important component in the whole system.

If the PSU is rubbish, it doesn't matter how good everything else is.

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 09:27 AM
Hey guys! I understand that when it comes to gaming the GFX card is up there for importance. I've had a look at that ATi card and that looks great too, but will I need to look at a bigger case for that? Also, will only be running the single screen at 1920x1080.

SolMiester
21-06-2011, 10:22 AM
Hey guys! I understand that when it comes to gaming the GFX card is up there for importance. I've had a look at that ATi card and that looks great too, but will I need to look at a bigger case for that? Also, will only be running the single screen at 1920x1080.

If you are running HD, then you might want a more powerful card than the 560Ti...so the AMD 6950 2Gb should be on your shopping list.

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 11:00 AM
If you are running HD, then you might want a more powerful card than the 560Ti...so the AMD 6950 2Gb should be on your shopping list.
Haha! That thing is absolutely massive! That is one impressive graphics card. So the 560Ti will not be able to handle 1080 resolutions well?

SolMiester
21-06-2011, 01:40 PM
IMO, the 560Ti wll be fine for about 6mths or until 28nm Kepler or AMD's 7xxx series. Gamers tend to upgrade GPU's often, thats why I say get a good case\PSU\Platform to late a couple of GPU's.
There is no doubt the 6950 is a better card at 19x12, but with new products coming and a lot of room between the 40-28nm for transistors, the next series mid range cards should give you current high end performance.
6950\6870\560 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4137/amds-gtx-560-ti-counteroffensive-radeon-hd-6950-1gb-xfxs-radeon-hd-6870-black-edition/5)

I believe you have to balance the system for your resolution. At HD 19x10, games that require 2Gb are few and far between....
Anyway, thats what I would do, 40nm GPU's are at their extreme, 28nm will bring at lot more to the table. Sort out a good case\psu\platform and a card to hold yourself over for your resolution and rejoice in your cheap upgrade EOY..
LOL

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 02:12 PM
I had a look at some reviews and I think I will go with the 560ti. Overall it looks like a decent card and I can always upgrade later one anyway. What should I be looking at for a minimum in terms of RAM and PSU? I'm 90% sure I will go with the Sandy Bridge i5 2500.

EDIT: I will be using w7

Snorkbox
21-06-2011, 02:16 PM
I had a look at some reviews and I think I will go with the 560ti. Overall it looks like a decent card and I can always upgrade later one anyway. What should I be looking at for a minimum in terms of RAM and PSU? I'm 90% sure I will go with the Sandy Bridge i5 2500.

EDIT: I will be using w7

So Win 7 32 bit or Win 7 64 bit?

If 32 bit then there's not much point in having any more than 4 Gig ram installed.

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 02:19 PM
It will be x64 bit.

Snorkbox
21-06-2011, 02:27 PM
It will be x64 bit.

OK. Having worked out what O/S you are using and you have chosen a CPU I5 and GPU then we need to work out a Motherboard for the build.

As to a PSU I'd be looking at a Corsair modular effort.

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 02:41 PM
When it comes to motherboards I'm extremely ignorant on the matter. So again, I have no idea heh.

Snorkbox
21-06-2011, 03:03 PM
When it comes to motherboards I'm extremely ignorant on the matter. So again, I have no idea heh.

I would be looking for a motherboard probably Asus or Gigabyte that will support up to 4 x 4 Gig RAM and possibly populate it with two 4 Gig RAM to start with so you get dual channel and if you want to add more RAM you have two empty slots.

Or put 4 x 4 in anyway to start with.

Which socket CPU I5 have you chosen?

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 03:24 PM
Would this be sufficiant? http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14548

Snorkbox
21-06-2011, 03:32 PM
Looks good to me!

What about the PSU?

Richardd150
21-06-2011, 03:41 PM
Would this be sufficiant? http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14548

That's the Micro ATX form factor isn't it? Wouldn't a full size ATX be easier to work with?

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 03:49 PM
That's the Micro ATX form factor isn't it? Wouldn't a full size ATX be easier to work with?

I just picked it due to it ticking all the boxes and being pretty damn cheap compared to others. I can handle it being a little more fiddly.

For the PSU. I'll go with a cosair but how much watts should I go for? And for the RAM I think I'll go with: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=15069

Snorkbox
21-06-2011, 04:24 PM
I'd go for 650 - 750 Watts Modular Corsair and the ram you chose looks fine to me.

Modular PSU as it helps with cable management while building.

HighLatency
21-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Awesome! I really appreciate the help.

So far the list is;

CPU:Sandy Bridge i5 2500
GPU:nVidia GTX 560ti
Motherboard: Asus P8H67 -MRev
RAM:Cosair 2x4gb kit
PSU:Cosair HX650
Case: Guardian 921 Reborn Black.

One last thing. Is the stock cooling going to be enough?

Again, I appreciate the help eh. Really looking forward to building this thing.:D

SolMiester
21-06-2011, 05:37 PM
Get the K version 2500 if possible....+ $33 for Hyper 212+, you can run 4.5GHZ no problem!
4.7 (http://pressf1.co.nz/attachment.php?attachmentid=2606&d=1306012745)

bot
21-06-2011, 09:05 PM
Nice try. Reported.

The system requirements are LOL:


System Requirements:
Pentium II or higher processor
Microsoft Windows 98 or above operating system
128 MB memory (256 MB preferred)
1GB hard disk space
CD - Rom Drive
VGA or higher resolution monitor
Mouse or other pointing device
80 column printer

HighLatency
22-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Get the K version 2500 if possible....+ $33 for Hyper 212+, you can run 4.5GHZ no problem!
4.7 (http://pressf1.co.nz/attachment.php?attachmentid=2606&d=1306012745)

Right, will do. Will the stock cooling be good enough?


Nice try. Reported.

The system requirements are LOL:


System Requirements:
Pentium II or higher processor
Microsoft Windows 98 or above operating system
128 MB memory (256 MB preferred)
1GB hard disk space
CD - Rom Drive
VGA or higher resolution monitor
Mouse or other pointing device
80 column printer

Sorry?

SolMiester
22-06-2011, 09:57 AM
Right, will do. Will the stock cooling be good enough?



Sorry?

Stock cooling uses push pins, and they just dont do it for me.. The cooler in my sig cost about $35 buck and has bolt through setup so much better.
Oh, and you should seriously try and get that case...It will last you many builds, and is one of the best for cooling around.

dugimodo
22-06-2011, 11:32 AM
Only get the K version if you plan to try overclocking or want the option later, if not stick with the cheaper version as the stock performance is the same. Same goes for stock cooling, it's perfectly fine if you don't plan on overclocking.

On the other hand if you think you will/ might overclock the easiest time to install an aftermarket cooler is during the initial build, depending on your case you can end up dismantling the entire pc to fit one later.

HighLatency
22-06-2011, 12:38 PM
Right, May as well pick on up straight away. Alright, so with that build in mind that comes to just under the $2000 so it's spot on. And the build will begin next Tuesday. I may have to come back to you guys for help during the build but we will see how it goes.

Cheers for all of you help so far!

SolMiester
22-06-2011, 12:46 PM
Right, May as well pick on up straight away. Alright, so with that build in mind that comes to just under the $2000 so it's spot on. And the build will begin next Tuesday. I may have to come back to you guys for help during the build but we will see how it goes.

Cheers for all of you help so far!

Please dont get that trashy Guardian 921 Reborn Case!....Get the Silverstone from the list I posted 1st page!

jareemon
23-06-2011, 11:33 PM
+1 for gtx560ti
+1 for corsair hx650 (nice unboxing experience too)
+1 for hyper212+ (this only includes a single 120mm fan, if you want to overclock i recommend a 2nd 120mm fan for the other side of the cooling stack. The 120mm arctic cooling f12 pwm fan allows you to run both cpu fans on the single cpu fan socket on the motherboard.)

also grab a small tube of arctic silver 5 thermal paste

have fun with your build and dont freak out if it doesn't boot 1st time, just let us know :)

:pf1mobmini:

HighLatency
24-06-2011, 11:43 AM
+1 for gtx560ti
+1 for corsair hx650 (nice unboxing experience too)
+1 for hyper212+ (this only includes a single 120mm fan, if you want to overclock i recommend a 2nd 120mm fan for the other side of the cooling stack. The 120mm arctic cooling f12 pwm fan allows you to run both cpu fans on the single cpu fan socket on the motherboard.)

also grab a small tube of arctic silver 5 thermal paste

have fun with your build and dont freak out if it doesn't boot 1st time, just let us know :)

:pf1mobmini:


Yeah, I've learnt my fair share of computers not booting first time. So long as I read the manual and dont put case cover back on for the first boot attempt, I should be fine :D.

I'll keep you posted for during the build with how it's going and any complications I have during the build. And I'll take your advise on the case SolMiester. I'll drop the NZXT one.

SolMiester
24-06-2011, 01:34 PM
Yeah, I've learnt my fair share of computers not booting first time. So long as I read the manual and dont put case cover back on for the first boot attempt, I should be fine :D.

I'll keep you posted for during the build with how it's going and any complications I have during the build. And I'll take your advise on the case SolMiester. I'll drop the NZXT one.

A lot of people dont like to waste money on cases, however I have a different opinion.
1)- A decent case will last through several builds.
2)- A decent case will help to keep your components quiet with noise dampening and cool with great air flow and space.
3)- A decent case doent need to be hidden as your embarrassed at the crassness of it.

Actually, the Raven tilts the motherboard through 90 degrees so that the I/O board faces up, this is nice for large card support and cabling which is ducted out the top at the back instead of up and down the back side. And of course is has cooling second to none with basic in at the bottom out at the top flow....