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mr_wax
17-05-2011, 07:47 PM
Greetings all!

Am about to purchase a new PC, and have narrowed down some options. Just looking for some advice on which one is better value for money.
Will mainly be using it for HD vid editing/some music editing, but want to be able to run most programs without a hitch.

option 1) $1200 (TOWER ONLY)

## AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2800GHz 9MB Cache Six Core Processor
## Asus M4A87TD/USB3 AMD 870 ATX Socket AM3 DDR3 RAID USB3/SATA3 Motherboard
> True USB 3.0 -10X Faster Date Rates!
> True SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support - Experience the Future of Storage!
## Hynix 8GB(2X4GB) DDR3 1333MHz CL9(big size RAM with life time warranty)
## Western Digital Blue Edition 1TB 3.5" SATA3 7200RPM 32M Hard Drive
## LG 22x Speed Plus DVD Writer
## HIS ATI Radeon HD5770 1GB GDD5 PCI-E Video card
## RaidMax ALTAS Black 120mm Blue LED ATX Tower Case
## Acbel 500W Power Supply

option 2) $1329 (W/ WINDOWS 7)

## Intel Core i7 2600 3.4Ghz Quad Core Processor 6MB LGA1155
## NEW B3 Stepping GIGABYTE H67MA-D2H LGA1155 Intel H67 mATX USB3 & SATA3 Motherboard
> True USB 3.0 -10X Faster Date Rates!
> True SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support - Experience the Future of Storage!
## Hynix 8GB(2 x 4GB) PC-10600 1333MHz DDR3 RAM (Massive RAM with life time warranty)
## Western Digital Blue Edition 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM 32M SATA3 Hard Drive
## LG 22x Speed Plus DVD Writer
## Intel HD Graphics 2000 Technology
## Foxconn TLM-141 Black & Silver Micro ATX case with Acbel 500W PSU
## Genuine Windows 7 64bit Home Editon Pre-installed (Comes with installtion CD and Licence Key)

Option 3) $1869 (W/ MONITOR AND WINDOWS 7)

*CPU --- Intel sandy bridge Core I7-2600 3.4GHz 8M LGA1155 Processor Latest Intel technology ( Intel Latest technology H67 socket1156 chip motherboard )
* Motherboard --- Intel H67 Socket 1155 mATX DDR3 USB3 & SATA3 RAID CrossfireX eSATA
* Memory --- Transcend or Corsair 8GB DDR3-1333 Memory
* Hard Drive --- West Digital 1000GB SATA3 Hard Drive
* DVD Writer --- LG SATA 22x Speed Optical DVD Writer
* PC Case ---GiGabyte Gaming Case with 500W Power Supply
* Video Card --- Radeon HD 5770 1GB DDR5 PCI-Ex16 HDCP Ready with HDMI
* Audio --- 8 -Channel High-Definition Audio
* Monitor--- ASUS VH242H 23.6" HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor Full HD 1080P resolution 1920 x 1080
* Network --- Gigabit LAN
* USB Port --- 2 Front USB, 4Rear USB2.0
* OS --- Windows 7 Home Premium Version (64bit) with Disc and COA
* Antivirus --- Pre-Install Norton Internet Security 2010 ( 30 days trial)
* Office --- Pre-Install Microsoft Office 2007 Pro (30 days trial )
* All systems come with 18 Months RTB Warranty

Thanks for your help!
Wax

SolMiester
17-05-2011, 08:00 PM
Option 2 & 3 are supposed to be the same CPU!? there are only 2 versions of SB i7 2600k and 2600 @ 3.4
Option 2 has the better motherboard, than 3.
Option 1 & 3 have better graphical capabilities.
If it were me, id get option 2 with the possibility of adding a better GPU later

mr_wax
17-05-2011, 08:21 PM
Cheers for the quick reply. Forgive my ignorance, but would the Radeon or Geforce vid cards be somewhat of an essential for fluent HD vid editing though? Was hoping to spend around 1500, incl. monitor etc.

Here's one more I just stumbled upon.

$1365 No Monitor, no windows

Specification:
## Intel sandy bridge Core i5 2500 3.3GHz 6M LGA1155 Processor
## NEW B3 Stepping Asus P8P67 LE B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 Express Chipset Motherboard
> True USB 3.0 -10X Faster Date Rates!
> True SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support - Experience the Future of Storage!
## Hynix 8GB(4x2GB) DDR3-1333MHz CL9 RAM
## Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 32MB Cache SATA3 7200RPM Hard Drive
## LG 22x Speed internal SATAII DVD Writer
## HIS ATI Radeon HD5770 1GB GDD5 PCI-E Video card
## Cooler Master Gladiator 600 Black Mid Tower with 500 Power Supply

LynX
18-05-2011, 12:15 AM
The new rig you've stumbled upon...

I think with ASUS P8P67 you are paying for some features you're unlikely to need. i5 2500 (No K) can only OC by 4 multipliers and that's it. Nevertheless it's a great board, but if you need to cut you budget back a bit, I'll give second thoughts on the motherboard.

RAM sticks: I'd go for 2 sticks of 4GB, just to keep some memory slots open.

Also, you can get a SATA2 hard drive. SATA3 is unlikely to give you any boost with a mechanical hard drive. I'd go for WDC Blue myself but a Seagate would do too.

You might want to get a separate PSU too. Every time I see a cooling company making PSUs I don't feel very good about them.

Other than that I think it's good enough.

SolMiester
18-05-2011, 08:44 AM
Separate graphic cards arent require nowadays for basic video watching etc....as for editing, Sandy Bridge quick sync on the H67 boards is supposed to be quite fast?....which is one reason why I would go SB over the X6 from AMD
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/9

mr_wax
18-05-2011, 01:00 PM
All useful info, cheers. Problem is that because they're premade models, I can't really specify changes.
One last model, this one here: $1180 seems to be a good deal.

CPU: Intel Core i7 2600 Sandy Bridge 3.4Ghz/3.8Ghz turbo core x 4 Quad Core LGA 1155 8MB Cache Super Processor.

Motherboard: Intel H61 Chipset mATX up to 16GB DDR3 Speeds Socket 1155, 4 rear USBs, PCI-E X16.

RAM: 8GB DDR3-1333 High performance Dual Channel Memory with low latencies and lifetime warranty

Graphics Card: Dedicated Nvidia Geforce GT430 1GB GDDR3 DX11 HDMI

Hard Drive: 1TB (1000GB) 7200RPM SATA II HDD

Optical: FASTEST 24X Dual Layer DVD-RW

Case/Power: Foxconn TLA785 ATX Case, Solid construction, piano black front panel. 2 Front USBs and audio ports. AcBel Dual 12V rail ultra reliable power supply with life time warranty.

The effectiveness of each individual component is well over my head, unlike you guys. But the only thing that stands out to me here is the RAM comprising of one 8Gb thing, as opposed to 2 X 4gb. Yet it says dual memory. Is this an issue?
Cheers, just wanna buy something and get myself up and running asap! ha

dugimodo
18-05-2011, 01:17 PM
Depends on your goals a little, the last one looks good to me.

Some notes to help you decide:
1. Video encoding - i7 fastest, i5 still fast, AMD bringing up the rear (sorry AMD fans it's just true) if you want to encode a lot and are not patient get an i7.
2. Quick sync - speeds up video encoding considerably on supported software. Requires use of integrated graphics on H67 or the new chipset (not among your options) - can also be enabled using 3rd party software. Not available on a P67 board.
3. Dedicated graphics card - if you intend to game to any degreee you need one, and as fast as possible. May make quick sync unusable rendering point 2. moot.
4. 8G of RAM seems to be the current sweet spot.
5. the only real difference between an i5 2500 and an i7 2600 is a small amount of clock speed and hyperthreading which improves multithreaded performance in some applications. The i5 is a great choice if money is tight.

LynX
18-05-2011, 01:25 PM
The graphics card GT430 is not good; doesn't worth its money. It'll be better sticking with the integrated graphics, because you won't get much enjoyment on games out of either (and by "enjoyment" I mean being able to play games at high qualities smoothly).

It didn't say what brand motherboard and RAM are, or what wattage is the PSU (though it shouldn't matter too much, since your system doesn't consume that much power anyway), and I'm a bit worried on that.

In fact, the desciptions are really generic, and not particularly helpful. And you can buy parts yourself and put them together: just read the manuals carefully and there shouldn't be much difficulty.

Also, if it said 8GB dual channel I can only assume they have 2*4GB RAM slots. I don't think single-stick 8GB has come out yet!

mr_wax
18-05-2011, 01:48 PM
Thanks for the tips guys. Have only been looking at trademe store options, as these seem to best value for money. Tried configuring a system on ASUS and PC Company etc, but couldn't seem to rack up these sort of specs for under 1500 bucks?
Eeach of the trademe options seems to have setbacks though ha

Metla
18-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Seriously, don't buy through Trademe. There are plenty of better options.

If it were me and I was building a video editing machine but had no interst in games I'd stick with the onboard video available on the current 1155 motherboards.

And I'm also one who is always looking for the benefits of choosing an AMD, currently I wouldn't even consider one.

pctek
18-05-2011, 02:44 PM
## Intel Core i7 2600
## GIGABYTE H67MA-D2H
## Hynix 8GB PC-10600 1333MHz
## Western Digital 1TB
## LG 22x DVD Writer
* Video Card --- Radeon HD 5770 1GB DDR5 PCI-Ex16 HDCP Ready with HDMI



This.

Whatever case you like but DO NOT get the crappy bundled PSU with it. get a decent quality Corsair PSU put in it.

SolMiester
18-05-2011, 02:57 PM
Depends on your goals a little, the last one looks good to me.

Some notes to help you decide:
1. Video encoding - i7 fastest, i5 still fast, AMD bringing up the rear (sorry AMD fans it's just true) if you want to encode a lot and are not patient get an i7.
2. Quick sync - speeds up video encoding considerably on supported software. Requires use of integrated graphics on H67 or the new chipset (not among your options) - can also be enabled using 3rd party software. Not available on a P67 board.
3. Dedicated graphics card - if you intend to game to any degreee you need one, and as fast as possible. May make quick sync unusable rendering point 2. moot.
4. 8G of RAM seems to be the current sweet spot.
5. the only real difference between an i5 2500 and an i7 2600 is a small amount of clock speed and hyperthreading which improves multithreaded performance in some applications. The i5 is a great choice if money is tight.

Option 2 bud.....!

mr_wax
18-05-2011, 03:23 PM
Majority support seems to be for option 2:

option 2) $1329 (W/ WINDOWS 7)

## Intel Core i7 2600 3.4Ghz Quad Core Processor 6MB LGA1155
## NEW B3 Stepping GIGABYTE H67MA-D2H LGA1155 Intel H67 mATX USB3 & SATA3 Motherboard
> True USB 3.0 -10X Faster Date Rates!
> True SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support
## Hynix 8GB(2 x 4GB) PC-10600 1333MHz DDR3 RAM
## Western Digital Blue Edition 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM 32M SATA3 Hard Drive
## LG 22x Speed Plus DVD Writer
## Intel HD Graphics 2000 Technology
## Foxconn TLM-141 Black & Silver Micro ATX case with Acbel 500W PSU
## Genuine Windows 7 64bit Home Editon Pre-installed (Comes with installtion CD and Licence Key)

So at the moment, I think I'll buy it. Only drawback to this seems to be lack of a decent vid card. I wonder if I can perhaps just request a diff vid card. Or else, any ideas where I could build an equivalent system for an equivalent price?

To open up another can of worms, it's my understanding that Adobe CS5's mercury playback engine utilises only some graphics cards.

-GeForce GTX 285 (Windows and Mac OS)
-GeForce GTX 470 (Windows)
-GeForce GTX 570 (Windows)
-GeForce GTX 580 (Windows)

If this was to improve real time rendering etc, maybe I should try get one of these on the above system yeah?
Thanks for the help team

SolMiester
18-05-2011, 04:11 PM
Mr Wax, you can add a video card at any point into the pc, it is a relatively easy process.
CS5 does use CUDA which is only available for Nvidia cards, however i thought Adobe was also supporting the AMD compute code, but I could be wrong..
If you would a nvidia card for graphic add about $350 for a GTX460