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icow
06-01-2011, 06:54 PM
As some of you may know I have recently built a new PC. I'm looking at buying a gaming gfx card and this means upgrading the 450w PSU.

Prepared to spend about/under $300. PSU price as cheap as possible but still able to run the card and maintain quality. Note: Quad Core CPU uses 140w. Also I have little room between the audio jacks and the pci-e slot so the card can "hang over" only on one side (if that makes sense).

PC specs in my sig and I intend to go to 6 or 8gb RAM (if that is useful or not also to stop people from telling me to buy more RAM and cut back on the Card).

inphinity
06-01-2011, 08:39 PM
You're not going to get a decent power supply & gaming gpu for under $300 total - not anything near current gen anyway. You could maybe find a second hand 512mb 8800GT/9800GT or 4830 or something on trademe for $120. A decent 650W PSU is gonna be $160 - $200.

If you actually want a decent setup for playing more recent, demanding games, you will need to look at more like $450, to get a 650W PSU and a 5770 - that would, imo, be the minimum entry level gaming card atm. A GTX460 or 5850/6850 would be preferred, but they're about $300 - $350, plus the PSU.

icow
06-01-2011, 09:41 PM
You're not going to get a decent power supply & gaming gpu for under $300 total - not anything near current gen anyway. You could maybe find a second hand 512mb 8800GT/9800GT or 4830 or something on trademe for $120. A decent 650W PSU is gonna be $160 - $200.

If you actually want a decent setup for playing more recent, demanding games, you will need to look at more like $450, to get a 650W PSU and a 5770 - that would, imo, be the minimum entry level gaming card atm. A GTX460 or 5850/6850 would be preferred, but they're about $300 - $350, plus the PSU.

Sorry If I didn't make it clear but the $300 is for the card. PSU I don't really care about (price wise). I was thinking the gtx460 looked good. Do you know if there is a great performance difference between the 460 and 465?

Netsukeninja
06-01-2011, 09:50 PM
$309 http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=13844 (Card is 21.6CM long, so make sure you have plenty of room in your case)
$129 http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=11440 (No Power Cable)


What case are you using?

icow
06-01-2011, 10:00 PM
PSU looks good but I should probably spend more and get a big one to future proof.. But it looks like it will out do a 460????????? :confused: (maybe I can't read)

Netsukeninja
06-01-2011, 11:48 PM
I dont think there is much of a difference between the 6850 and the 460. Crysis and Metro2033 were roughly neck and neck between the 2 cards.

pctek
07-01-2011, 08:00 AM
I intend to go to 6 or 8gb RAM ( to stop people from telling me to buy more RAM and cut back on the Card).

I'd never tell anyone, ever, to cut back on VGA if they were going to be gaming.
That should be the number one priority, then CPU. Then RAM.

The 6850 seems to fit your price range. ANd forget price on PSUs, good way to end up with ****. Get yourself a 650w or better - 750w Corsair or Enermax.

inphinity
07-01-2011, 09:54 AM
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=11077
and one of these two
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=13587
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14176

Chilling_Silence
07-01-2011, 10:54 AM
That should be the number one priority, then CPU. Then RAM.

Too right, the world needs more people like you, with sound tech advice! :clap

Agent_24
07-01-2011, 11:02 AM
PSU looks good but I should probably spend more and get a big one to future proof.. But it looks like it will out do a 460????????? :confused: (maybe I can't read)

Remember PSU watts rating isn't everything. In fact it's pretty much nothing.

Look at the current (Amps) available on the 12v rails, that's what matters.

(note that on multirail PSUs, the 12v combined capacity is often less than the sum of the individual rails)

Snorkbox
07-01-2011, 01:56 PM
I would recommend a Modular Corsair HX650 PSU.

icow
07-01-2011, 05:52 PM
Remember PSU watts rating isn't everything. In fact it's pretty much nothing.

Look at the current (Amps) available on the 12v rails, that's what matters.

(note that on multirail PSUs, the 12v combined capacity is often less than the sum of the individual rails)

Sorry about that it. I missed a sentence. It should have been a comparrason between the gfx cards. lolfail.

@snorkbox: TY

Agent_24
07-01-2011, 06:10 PM
If this PC is the one in your signature and if you are going to run Windows 7 64-Bit I suggest you get 4GB of RAM or more.

Since you've got AMD you could even get ECC RAM which is much more reliable.

icow
07-01-2011, 07:43 PM
If this PC is the one in your signature and if you are going to run Windows 7 64-Bit I suggest you get 4GB of RAM or more.

Since you've got AMD you could even get ECC RAM which is much more reliable.

Planning to. 2gb is temporary (until I get more money).

Snorkbox
07-01-2011, 10:51 PM
If this PC is the one in your signature and if you are going to run Windows 7 64-Bit I suggest you get 4GB of RAM or more.

Since you've got AMD you could even get ECC RAM which is much more reliable.

ECC Ram?

Agent_24
07-01-2011, 11:45 PM
Error Correcting Code RAM, It can help reduce memory problems.

Though typically used for servers for higher availability, but you can also use it on your desktop if you want better reliability too.

A decent stick of normal RAM will do fine for most people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_RAM#Errors_and_error_correction

Snorkbox
08-01-2011, 12:36 AM
I was aware of that.

But why recommend ECC when all Asus or Gigabyte motherboards I have had with an AMD CPU do not recommend ECC RAM?

Agent_24
08-01-2011, 01:44 AM
I did not know that. I myself do not have ECC but I know the CPUs do support it.

Reading this post might explain why Asus\Gigabyte don't recommend it:


Athlon II and Phenom II families apparently support ECC only if it is un-buffered AND un-registered.


The trouble is that there appears to be no industry-standard rigid terminology for ECC modules; "unbuffered" and "unregistered" are only "mostly" equivalent definitions that system builders cannot rely on (so my previous post's info is... possibly dubious... or erring on side of caution, depending on your POV).

Without ECC: if you have any random DDR2 motherboard, you can reasonably expect - indeed, demand - that any random memory specified as being DDR2 should work in it. You shall pass POST, you shall boot OS, thus spoke JEDEC.

But with ECC: any random combination of ECC motherboard and memory cannot be trusted to pass POST, let alone actually provide ECC functionality to the OS. You have to research each manufacturer's own trial-and-error reports!

(http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=21&threadid=123883)

urbanguerilla
10-01-2011, 03:06 AM
If you're still going the GTX460 route, do consider NOT buying the EVGA EE series cards. I have one... with constant 99C on load and sounds like a banshee with the fan @ 100%!

It seems to be a common issue with the External Exhaust series.