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lostsoul62
24-10-2010, 02:30 PM
Isn't a hacker a security expert? I'm not talking about the slang meaning of a hacker, I'm talking about what one really is. Nothing illegal. So a hacker go to a bank and says I can hack into your back and steal a hundred dollars and if I can do this you will pay me $10,000 to fix your problem which is pretty cheap to fix a hold in a security network. So am I missing something.

Erayd
24-10-2010, 02:41 PM
You're missing something. Take a look here (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is) - that's a nutshell definition.

What you're talking about is a penetration tester.

pctek
24-10-2010, 03:20 PM
Isn't a hacker a security expert? So a hacker go to a bank and says I can hack into your back and steal a hundred dollars and if I can do this you will pay me $10,000 to fix your problem which is pretty cheap to fix a hold in a security network. .
A security expert is hired to test for weaknesses and plug them.

Someone who asks for money to fix the weakness he found without being asked is an extortionist.

I have no idea what a penetration tester is but it doesn't sound like something for a family forum.

lostsoul62
24-10-2010, 04:33 PM
[QUOTE=Erayd;960370]You're missing something. Take a look here (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is) - that's a nutshell definition.

Thanks that's a great article and I book mark it. I've allway been into hardware, software, and networks and never thought anything about hackers. But the article clears a lot of things up.

Battleneter2
24-10-2010, 05:00 PM
Isn't a hacker a security expert? I'm not talking about the slang meaning of a hacker, I'm talking about what one really is. Nothing illegal. So a hacker go to a bank and says I can hack into your back and steal a hundred dollars and if I can do this you will pay me $10,000 to fix your problem which is pretty cheap to fix a hold in a security network. So am I missing something.

What your really talking about is a "White hats"

White Hat hacker - Often was a black hat but now works testing security holes for companies etc "earning" money legally.

The traditional hackers are known as "Black Hats" they hack to steal or be malicious.

"Grey hats" generally pretend they are white hats, but also use there tellant and often inside knowledge to steal.


Really you would class all good hackers as security experts yes.

Snorkbox
24-10-2010, 06:35 PM
A lot are called script kiddies too.

mikebartnz
24-10-2010, 08:51 PM
A security expert is hired to test for weaknesses and plug them.

Someone who asks for money to fix the weakness he found without being asked is an extortionist.

I have no idea what a penetration tester is but it doesn't sound like something for a family forum.
Grubby mind you have there pctek.:D

Chilling_Silence
24-10-2010, 09:15 PM
I like at the end of the link that Erayd shared that basically sums it up well by saying that it's a discipline and an attitude that must be self-taught. It's humility, a drive for knowledge, and I believe even RMS even said it's a "Playful desire to understand the unknown" or something to that effect.

Look up this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308808/
It'll give you a bit of an insight into the history and culture :)

jareemon
24-10-2010, 09:21 PM
I have no idea what a penetration tester is but it doesn't sound like something for a family forum.
:lol:

The Error Guy
24-10-2010, 09:50 PM
looks like i'm under the creative hacker lot. nothing evil, just filling time! I know some of them crackers though :x

lakewoodlady
25-10-2010, 09:40 AM
My son in law is a hacker, he writes code for open source software and tests it. So yes there are different types of hackers. Only two though, good and bad. He is one of the former.

CB

Erayd
25-10-2010, 10:02 AM
I have no idea what a penetration tester is but it doesn't sound like something for a family forum.Dirty mind there Pctek :rolleyes:?

Take a look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_test).

robsonde
25-10-2010, 10:34 AM
I think the kiwicon faq answer many questions about hacking Vs computer security.

it's called a hacker con, but it's mostly "white hats"

"The goal is to share knowledge about computer security in New Zealand, and the event is being organised by some of New Zealand's most experienced security industry professionals. As with any subject, knowledge can be wielded for both good and evil. The organisers believe that open and honest discussion of security issues is a critical step towards securing technological systems. "

https://www.kiwicon.org/faq/#q10

SoniKalien
25-10-2010, 10:35 AM
Traditionally a Hacker was someone who wrote quick and dirty code. It was Crackers responsible for reverse engineering and infiltrating networks.

Agent_24
25-10-2010, 10:54 AM
www.hackaday.com