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SurferJoe46
29-09-2010, 03:07 PM
I hadda go to Palm Springs today - and I let my stepson take a 'few' pixs.

Like --- over 270 pixs!

If you've never seen Palm Springs or the Pines-To-Palms Highway, then here's a chance.

I put these in a Picasa web-album that you can see the thumbs and if you want to or are intrigued, you can click on the thumb and see the whole pix.

I just thought youse guys might like to see the seedier side of Southern Palm Springs and some of the mountain roads to get there.

Here's the link:::
http://picasaweb.google.com/vreeland.joe/ADriveToPalmSprings?feat=directlink

Gobe1
29-09-2010, 03:09 PM
slow day here... so why not.

SurferJoe46
29-09-2010, 04:07 PM
Just remember that Palm Springs is about the closest major shopping are to where I live.

I can go to Temecula or Hemet, but PS is closer by miles.

SP8's
29-09-2010, 05:04 PM
Nice pics SJ .... but when r u guys going to start driving on the correct side of the road and spell TYRES correctly ??? :devil

Any good huntin' in them there hills ?? Quail, deer, women ???

Chilling_Silence
29-09-2010, 06:16 PM
He really did go nuts didn't he? :D

Nice shots, love how those trees line the streets!!

SurferJoe46
29-09-2010, 06:21 PM
The hills are full of protected species - like the Bighorn Sheep - who are mating until the end of this month and tours through the Anza-Borrego Desert can resume.

Jack Rabbits are rife in the area - but they are not good eating as they carry Spotted Fever which crosses to humans very well.

If anyone bags the Yetti - they can name their own price I think. He's been spotted they say.

Why he has spots, I'll never know.

SurferJoe46
29-09-2010, 06:23 PM
The hills are full of protected species - like the Bighorn Sheep - who are mating until the end of this month and tours through the Anza-Borrego Desert can resume.

Jack Rabbits are rife in the area - but they are not good eating as they carry Spotted Fever which crosses to humans very well.

If anyone bags the Yetti - they can name their own price I think. He's been spotted they say.

Why he has spots, I'll never know.

ubergeek85
29-09-2010, 07:56 PM
Nice album, makes me want to drive to sign of the takahe (or is it sign of the kiwi I'm thinking of... the one at the top of dyers pass road where it meets summit road), then to sugarloaf, then Taylors mistake, and put it online!

Jen
29-09-2010, 08:53 PM
I hadda go to Palm Springs today - and I let my stepson take a 'few' pixs.

Like --- over 270 pixs! Has he thought about applying to be a Google Earth street view photographer? :p

Cato
29-09-2010, 09:00 PM
You got a mighty fine had there, SJ.

David on the other hand... You should buy him a decent hat. Or at least, tell him to remove his.

Strommer
29-09-2010, 09:07 PM
Is the little spot on your nose in this pic (http://picasaweb.google.com/vreeland.joe/ADriveToPalmSprings?feat=directlink#55221223067935 31746) what you need Euphorbia peplus for?

SurferJoe46
30-09-2010, 03:22 AM
Has he thought about applying to be a Google Earth street view photographer? :p

No - but he likes to take a lot of pixs of himself holding the camera.


You got a mighty fine had there, SJ.

David on the other hand... You should buy him a decent hat. Or at least, tell him to remove his.

My hat is gen-u-wine cowboy stuff. I have a few of them, but this is my fav outside hat.

David likes those dumb bill-caps - but at least he doesn't wear it backwards. It's a 'youthful idiot-thing'


Is the little spot on your nose in this pic (http://picasaweb.google.com/vreeland.joe/ADriveToPalmSprings?feat=directlink#55221223067935 31746) what you need Euphorbia peplus for?

Nah - since we drive on the correct side of the vehicle/road and the 'nasal incident' is on the center divider side of the road, it is out of sight in all the pixs.

But tell me the truth - did you see something of which I should be informed?

SurferJoe46
30-09-2010, 03:23 AM
Nice album, makes me want to drive to sign of the takahe (or is it sign of the kiwi I'm thinking of... the one at the top of dyers pass road where it meets summit road), then to sugarloaf, then Taylors mistake, and put it online!

I'd really like to see that - consider this a commission to get 'er done!

Strommer
30-09-2010, 08:07 AM
But tell me the truth - did you see something of which I should be informed?


Yep. Even though the pic is not large it looks like a little spot on your noggin. BTW interesting Lee Marvin pic. I have a vague memory of seeing that flick.

SurferJoe46
30-09-2010, 09:29 AM
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Cat Ballou!

kahawai chaser
30-09-2010, 08:25 PM
Nice images - I see there is a Westfield sign, I guess a shopping centre, similar to a few Westfield's here in NZ. Why are their five road lanes, in a semi populated centre, with seemingly single barren roads leading to the centre?

SurferJoe46
01-10-2010, 02:44 AM
Nice images - I see there is a Westfield sign, I guess a shopping centre, similar to a few Westfield's here in NZ. Why are their five road lanes, in a semi populated centre, with seemingly single barren roads leading to the centre?

This was a weekday and at the wrong time for a lot of tourists since it's still very hot there and the Snow Birds don't return until around November 1st or so.

Five lanes are the norm in the US on areas that have the funds to pay for them and have a lot of turning into and out from large lots and entrances.

There are two lanes for each direction for obvious travel, and the center lane is for making turns across traffic (we call them our 'left turn dividers') and they act as a buffer/travel zone for emergency vehicles to travel in high congestion times.

Believe me - in less heated weather those lanes are very busy.

The center lanes actually become the left turn lanes for traffic waiting for the green arrows at traffic lights - and as you can see where I was at the HWY111/HWY74 intersection - and I took the pix of the pool cleaner's pickup truck - there are two left turn pockets and both lanes turn on the same green arrow. The same for the opposing traffic - they get two lanes to turn left when the light is in their favor.

I don't remember seeing Westfields, as it isn't something on my radar as a store that I would use. It might just be the anchor store's name for that particular strip of stores. It could also just be a corporate name for the land, the street intersection where it is located - hence the name of that parking lot - or the owner's brother's-in-law middle name.

kahawai chaser
01-10-2010, 12:34 PM
This was a weekday and at the wrong time for a lot of tourists since it's still very hot there and the Snow Birds don't return until around November 1st or so.

Five lanes are the norm in the US on areas that have the funds to pay for them and have a lot of turning into and out from large lots and entrances.

There are two lanes for each direction for obvious travel, and the center lane is for making turns across traffic (we call them our 'left turn dividers') and they act as a buffer/travel zone for emergency vehicles to travel in high congestion times.

Believe me - in less heated weather those lanes are very busy.

The center lanes actually become the left turn lanes for traffic waiting for the green arrows at traffic lights - and as you can see where I was at the HWY111/HWY74 intersection - and I took the pix of the pool cleaner's pickup truck - there are two left turn pockets and both lanes turn on the same green arrow. The same for the opposing traffic - they get two lanes to turn left when the light is in their favor.

I don't remember seeing Westfields, as it isn't something on my radar as a store that I would use. It might just be the anchor store's name for that particular strip of stores. It could also just be a corporate name for the land, the street intersection where it is located - hence the name of that parking lot - or the owner's brother's-in-law middle name.

OK Thanks - makes sense for the lanes. But that pool truck appears to be straddling the wide white line, unless I assume the line is the main drive line. Where are the actual "palm" springs? On Google Maps seems to be nothing but Country clubs and Estates radiating out from the airport, unless various springs are within those clubs (bit similar to thermal pools/springs in Rotorua in NZ I guess).

SurferJoe46
01-10-2010, 04:51 PM
OK Thanks - makes sense for the lanes. But that pool truck appears to be straddling the wide white line, unless I assume the line is the main drive line. Where are the actual "palm" springs? On Google Maps seems to be nothing but Country clubs and Estates radiating out from the airport, unless various springs are within those clubs (bit similar to thermal pools/springs in Rotorua in NZ I guess).

Yeah - he was encroaching on the lanes there a little. He had just changed his mind and decided to try to get into the left turn lane at the last moment and hadn't enough room to make the full transition before he got to the limit line.

Palm Springs (http://www.palmsprings-ca.gov/) is kinda goofy in that the heart of it is really where the 111 is split into two, one-way boulevards, both with about 4 or 5 lanes going the same direction.

The stores in between are the stomping grounds for celebrities and tourists.

But the hotels and convention centers are a big draw too.

See if you can find North Palm Canyon where it runs parallel to North Indian Canyon and the area on both sides are most of the attractions.

They split apart to go their one-way routes at the South end of the 'downtown' area and then where they 'end' in the North they don't really re-intersect, but there's another road across the top of the North-most area, called: West Vista Chino - which for some ungodly reason is numbered 111 again.

So - if you come in from the North end of HWY111 from the 10 Freeway, then you will run right into North Palm Springs, where in a few blocks it will break off into those two one-way streets. Once they intersect in the Southern end, the tour through Palm Springs has basically ended unless you have another destination in mind and you can always go East to some of the most expensive hotels and casinos in California.

For instance, that pool cleaner truck is parked at LAT 33.721165 LON -116.391167 (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_cRmowvPKcq4/TKKTaZLxwjI/AAAAAAAAFOg/YfapO4rvQVg/s640/100_6970.JPG) at the corner of the HWY74/HWY111 intersection, facing North and he was turning to the WEST there.

Picture #126 (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_cRmowvPKcq4/TKKU6A8RqPI/AAAAAAAAFQU/g6DubBn2sCk/s640/100_6996.JPG) shows Fred Waring Drive at LAT 33.728529 LON -116.402708

Here's that gentle turn to the North that eventually takes us into Palm Springs itself:: (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_cRmowvPKcq4/TKKatZ6-eeI/AAAAAAAAFYU/6PwS4VFWDwI/s640/100_7117.JPG)

And here's the 111 split on the South end::: (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_cRmowvPKcq4/TKKbGVK5qSI/AAAAAAAAFY8/WVX2icH8VKU/s640/100_7127.JPG) at LAT 33.814730 LON -116.545554

This is our final destination::: (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_cRmowvPKcq4/TKKbiTemOlI/AAAAAAAAFZY/CyO8up1YbeU/s640/100_7133.JPG) (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=33.819749,-116.5452&spn=0.00125,0.002739&z=19&iwloc=A&q=Jack+Sauter's+Tire+Factory+-+Goodyear+Tires&cid=10436022453098704116)

You can figure the rest out I think - but you wanted to know about the SPRINGS - huh?

OK - it's a long story - but we can blame it on the local berry-eating Indians who wandered through the area and found some hot water and cold water springs.


The Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians is a tribe composed of several smaller bands who lived in the modern day Palm Springs area when the Agua Caliente Reservation was established by the United States Government in 1896.

Archaeological research has shown that the Cahuilla have lived in the area for the past 350500 years. The reservation occupies 32,000 acres (13,000 ha), of which 6,700 acres (2,700 ha) lie within the city limits, making the Agua Caliente band the city's largest landowner.

The reservation land was originally composed of alternating squares of land laid out across the desert in a checkerboard pattern.

The alternating, non-reservation squares, were provided by the United States Government to the Southern Pacific Railroad as an incentive to bring rail lines through the open desert.

Tribal enrollment is currently estimated at between 296 and 365 people.

The Cahuilla name for the area was "Se-Khi" (boiling water). In the early 1800s, Spanish explorers named the area "Agua Caliente" (hot water).

One possible origin of palm in the place name is revealed in the November 1992 issue of Art of California. At least one Spanish explorer referred to the area as la Palma de la Mano de dios or "The Palm of God's hand".

The current name for the area is "Palm Springs" which likely came into common usage in the mid-1860s when U.S. Government surveyors noted that a local mineral spring was located at the base of "two bunches of palms".

By 1884 when San Francisco attorney John Guthrie McCallum settled in Palm Springs, the name was already in wide acceptance.

Further:::

The areas AROUND Palm Springs are the real treasure though.

La Quinta (Lah-K'een-tah)
Palm Desert
Indian Wells
......are all very Ritzy and highly money'd.

While Cathedral City is famous for it's 'alternate lifestyles'.

And one thing the Chamber of Commerce for Palm Springs WON'T tell you is that the smog there is quite bad when there is a wind from the NNW, coming out of Riverside and also ultimately from The Greater Los Angeles Basin .

kahawai chaser
01-10-2010, 07:33 PM
Thanks again SJ, navigated as per your description. Using satellite view, the PS Riviera Resort area is HUGE (reminds me of the Pentagon) - what's in the massive horseshoe building? Plus the tennis courts....bit Wimbledon style? Opposite "Michael's House".

SurferJoe46
02-10-2010, 03:18 AM
The horseshoe area is the main entrance and the restaurants (one is called 'Circa 59'), gift shoppes, sartorial suites - both male and female, various other administrative offices, club suites for visitors and suites for the resident managers etc.

Major tennis championships are also played there, so the large tennis courts and attendant areas.

Here's an interactive tour of it::: http://www.psriviera.com/riviera_photoTours.aspx

'Michael's House' is a drug/substance abuse rehab clinic:: http://aboutrecovery.com/featured-centers/michaels-house.html