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KarameaDave
10-09-2010, 12:01 PM
Well,
Today I've sampled Green King IPA
Old Speckled Hen, Old Sharpie (Humpty Dumpty)
and Abbots.
Quite liked the Abbots and the Old Speckled Hen.
:drool
Lovely night out with old friends from Karamea.
Music night at the Burston Crown...brilliant music
and good company. Norfolk is very much as I imagined rural
England to be.
Stay tuned for further updates :D

roddy_boy
10-09-2010, 12:19 PM
4 different beers before 11am? Good effort.

KarameaDave
10-09-2010, 12:22 PM
Well it is 12.30 pm ish here though.

Gobe1
10-09-2010, 12:46 PM
So whats the Percentage?

Richard
10-09-2010, 04:19 PM
Have you tried 'Old Peculiar' . I got quite a taste for it. If you go to Wales avoid 'Brains' like the plague. It's awful. If you go to Ireland though, the 'Guinness' is beeyootiful. :drool

Marnie
10-09-2010, 04:27 PM
I prefer Murphys to Guinness, although I never had any problems getting someone else to finish my Guinness.
Seems like you are having a great time. Some of those less populated places are more like the old England, may they never change.

gary67
10-09-2010, 05:51 PM
Avoid anything from the Shepard and Neame brewery in Kent (my local) it tastes crap mostly. Do try Black sheep, Old peculiar. Try looking up a group called the campaign for real ale they are everywhere and can give you the low down on just about any beer.

Good beer guide link from them here (http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=192602) :drool:drool

gary67
10-09-2010, 05:52 PM
So whats the Percentage?

Doesn't go by percentage for real beer it goes by the specific gravity

John H
10-09-2010, 06:07 PM
(snip)Do try Black sheep, Old peculiar. :drool:drool

x57! Theakstons who make Old Peculiar is a Yorkshire Brewery - my first pint of OP was off the pump at a wee pub at the Ribblesdale Viaduct, accompanying a Cumberland Sausage and onion gravy in a plate sized Yorkshire pud :drool:drool:drool

Two brothers who ran Theakstons fell out, so one brother decamped and set up the Black Sheep brewery - Black Sheep, getit? I think Rigwelter is the name of their lovely dark ale. Not quite as good as OP, but damned good.

In Cumbria (where SWMBO comes from) Jennings makes a reasonable drop.

When you come back to NZ, try Twisted Hop in Poplar Lane, ChCh, if it has survived the earthquake (I have had emails from all males in my family wanting to find out if Twisted Hop have made it through OK, but I can't find out - I have serious doubts, given where they are). TH is the most English style of beer I have drunk in NZ. Better than Galbraiths.

Roscoe
10-09-2010, 06:16 PM
As I was walking through Earls Court,
Into a pub I was lured,
Where a nosy Pom said, "Where you from?"
As I downed the amber fluid.
I said, "Get it straight, I'm a Kiwi mate,
And I'm looking to get plastered,
But the beer is crook and the birds all look,
Like you, you Pommie bastard."

Billy T
10-09-2010, 06:38 PM
Excuse me!! But since when did the British make beer?

Most of what I tried there tasted like maidens' water filtered through the Lions' communal jock strap, and had dandruff flakes instead of a head.

It's the beer you have when you are not having a beer, in fact it's the beer that good friends recommend.........that you cut out the middle man and pour it straight down the dunny.

That way you don't get that extraordinay after-taste of burnt toenail clippings.

It's beer Jim, but not as we know it.....:yuck:

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

John H
10-09-2010, 06:45 PM
You didn't drink real ale then Billy.

KenESmith
10-09-2010, 06:58 PM
Greene King Abbott Draught (from Bury St Edmund Suffolk) (ie pulled in the pub) is a two pint drink - that is enough to put one well over the limit.
Theakstons Old Peculiar Draught, is another beer that sorts the men out from the boys.(Brewed in Masham Yorkshire)
Personally recommend Samuel Smith (Tadcaster) "Nut Brown Ale" pleasant pot by the fire on a Winters night.
Stones of Sheffield make a potent beer -
One thing one can say about a Tetleys drinker - he will never suffer from constipation.

Strongest Beer in Europe is Doppelbeck - Appropriately has 2 goats heads on the label.
Drink the good beers and pilseners of Europe, and you'll never call Lion Red and DB Beer again. ( Incidently there a few passable beers brewed in the South of England, and none brewed in London)

johcar
10-09-2010, 07:00 PM
Billy, you may have great taste in jokes, but NEVER joke about Real Ale. :D

It's a very serious matter, and one which I really enjoyed (and miss terribly) - seems every village in the UK has their own specialist brewery, and I killed many a brain cell trying as many different flavours as I could many years ago now. Heaven. Not many that weren't worth a second taste if the landlord was a good one....

There's a wee shop in Birkenhead ("Ashore") that stocks a reasonable variety of specialist beers, but it's not the same out of a bottle... Much better if they're hand-drawn (and fresh!).

EDIT: Just read KenESmith's post - in addition to 'anywhere-but-London', Cornwall has some deliciously strong ales...

John H
10-09-2010, 07:40 PM
Fullers in London - a waste of time and money. I don't know why they put up with it.

And Deuchars is a lovely drop - Scottish ale.

Safari
10-09-2010, 07:46 PM
Excuse me!! But since when did the British make beer?

Most of what I tried there tasted like maidens' water filtered through the Lions' communal jock strap, and had dandruff flakes instead of a head.

It's the beer you have when you are not having a beer, in fact it's the beer that good friends recommend.........that you cut out the middle man and pour it straight down the dunny.

That way you don't get that extraordinay after-taste of burnt toenail clippings.
It's beer Jim, but not as we know it.....:yuck:
Cheers
Billy 8-{)

What a load of nonsense. I think you should stick to topics that you know something about.
What is so great about NZ beer anyway, they hardly feature in world wide best beer awards, in fact UK beers get many more gold awards than us.

gary67
10-09-2010, 07:48 PM
Nelson has some stunning real ales almost as good as what you get in England, you certainly can't call anything that comes from the Lion Nathan brewery beer it's more like coloured sugar water. No taste, no body, no flavour and well need I say more.
I think Billy might have been drinking Lager another pale imitation of real beer

nofam
10-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Nelson has some stunning real ales almost as good as what you get in England, you certainly can't call anything that comes from the Lion Nathan brewery beer it's more like coloured sugar water. No taste, no body, no flavour and well need I say more

Took the words out of my mouth Gary - Bay Brewery make a few good drops. The owner is quite a character too!!

I'll bring some Emerson's (http://www.emersons.co.nz/) up for you & Wratty on the next trip (not sure if it's readily available up there?) - the organic pilsner, and Bookbinder ale are personal favourites. :drool

gary67
10-09-2010, 09:18 PM
Haven't seen it up here but we have not only Bays but the following

In Nelson
Founders park brewery
Lighthouse
Harringtons

At Mapua
Golden Bear

At Riwaka
Monkey Wizard

And a new one at Brightwater the name of which escapes me

Over in Blenheim there is Renaissance

So very spoilt for choice but will be looking forward to your next visit

nofam
10-09-2010, 09:27 PM
Haven't seen it up here but we have not only Bays but the following

In Nelson
Founders park brewery
Lighthouse
Harringtons

At Mapua
Golden Bear

At Riwaka
Monkey Wizard

And a new one at Brightwater the name of which escapes me

Over in Blenheim there is Renaissance

So very spoilt for choice but will be looking forward to your next visit

Too true - have tried both Founders Park and Golden Bear, and wasn't too fussed on them to be honest. . . .but a warm Nelson night puts always me in the right frame of mind for a few cold ones!! :D

Can't wait. . . . . .

KenESmith
10-09-2010, 09:42 PM
Lion and DB - Like love in a punt.
F****ng near water!

faith1806
10-09-2010, 10:00 PM
i like spend my time with old friends,while i am a little drinker.most of the time we KTV together.

mikebartnz
11-09-2010, 01:02 AM
Have you tried 'Old Peculiar' . I got quite a taste for it. If you go to Wales avoid 'Brains' like the plague. It's awful. If you go to Ireland though, the 'Guinness' is beeyootiful. :drool
I would agree with that. Three pints of Ode Rodger will have you standing on your ear.:drool

KarameaDave
11-09-2010, 05:40 AM
Tried Adnams Southwold Bitter this afternoon...another delicious drop.:drool

BobM
11-09-2010, 01:17 PM
Tried Adnams Southwold Bitter this afternoon...another delicious drop.:drool

4.30 am WTH. Thought you had a crystal ball for a moment, then I remembered you are not on NZ time. :lol:

Poppa John
11-09-2010, 06:13 PM
There WERE some damned good brews in NZ, until Lion & Db bought them all out. Speights, Dunedin. Leopard, Hastings. Waikato, Hamilton.To name but a few. PJ

lakewoodlady
11-09-2010, 07:02 PM
Tried Adnams Southwold Bitter this afternoon...another delicious drop.:drool

Do they have Newcastle Brown Ale there? Nice drop it was, when I drank beer many years ago.

LL

Snorkbox
11-09-2010, 07:41 PM
Just saw on TV3 News that you are going to get Stoke Beer soon!!

Richard
12-09-2010, 11:02 AM
"x57! Theakstons who make Old Peculiar is a Yorkshire Brewery - my first pint of OP was off the pump at a wee pub at the Ribblesdale Viaduct, accompanying a Cumberland Sausage and onion gravy in a plate sized Yorkshire pud "

Had Cumberland sausage, mash, and onion gravy at the Crown and Greyhound in Dulwich. Man it was good. Went down very well with an Old Peculiar or two. Can't wait to go back.

John H
12-09-2010, 12:42 PM
Do you remember the colour of Old Peculiar in a pint glass? Zowee! First time I realised what the critics meant about the importance of colour.

BTW, for those who love English style beers, you may be pleased to know that The Twisted Hop in Poplar Lane, ChCh survived the earthquakes and was set to re-open yesterday midday. Apparently because of all the earthquake strengthening that had been done, Poplar Lane survived pretty well, unlike Sol Square.

prefect
12-09-2010, 01:12 PM
Avoid anything from the Shepard and Neame brewery in Kent (my local) it tastes crap mostly. Do try Black sheep, Old peculiar. Try looking up a group called the campaign for real ale they are everywhere and can give you the low down on just about any beer.

Good beer guide link from them here (http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=192602) :drool:drool

I wonder how a campaign for real ale would go down in Saudi Arabia?

mikebartnz
12-09-2010, 01:53 PM
Went to The British beer festival in Crystal Palace back in 78/79. 366 different real ales make a lovely experience but a little dangerous.

KenESmith
12-09-2010, 07:19 PM
Fot those who have not had the great pleasure of drinking quality British Beer in an English Country Pub, there is still, as far as I know, a European Beer Experience simulator in Auckland - The London bar of the Civic Hotel - They used to sport over 80 quality imported European Brews.

A short anecdote on a dedicated beer drinking colleague in the RAF - Sqn Ldr Gus Gillies -
He was posted to RAF Leuchars in Fifeshire, a comportable 2 + hours drive North of Edinburgh. Scottish and Newcastle Breweries had a brewery in Edinburgh, with a shareholders bar ( free beer for visiting shareholders), so Gus bought 100 Scottish and Newcastle shares. Every other week Gus would head off to Edinburh shopping with his wife - they split the driving - Gus outbound Mrs Homebound - while Gus' wife shopped in Edinburgh Gus exercises his shareholders privilege in the Brewery Bar - his shares went up in value, he received a dividend on them, and got to drink all day free on them each time he went to Edinburgh - jus another example of a canny Scott.

johcar
12-09-2010, 07:34 PM
The London Bar may well have a good selection of beers, and some may even be on tap, but I don't think there are any that are hand-drawn...

Nor is there the ambience one would get sitting in a country pub in the UK that has been there for two hundred years plus....

In fact the best beer bar in Auckland to rent your beer from at the moment would have to be Brew On Quay (http://www.brewonquay.co.nz/).

BobM
12-09-2010, 07:40 PM
No mention about the Moa Brewing Company. It is a locally brewed ale, made at Scott's Winery in Blenheim. Not a bad brew at all!

mikebartnz
12-09-2010, 08:01 PM
Nor is there the ambience one would get sitting in a country pub in the UK that has been there for two hundred years plus....
I went into one over there that was reputed to be the oldest pub in England at 900 years old and that is where I came across the brew Ode Rodger. I'm a short arse and had to duck going under the beams which were as black as pitch.

Greg
12-09-2010, 08:34 PM
Billy, you may have great taste in jokes, but NEVER joke about Real Ale. :D

It's a very serious matter, and one which I really enjoyed (and miss terribly) - seems every village in the UK has their own specialist brewery, and I killed many a brain cell trying as many different flavours as I could many years ago now. Heaven. Not many that weren't worth a second taste if the landlord was a good one....

There's a wee shop in Birkenhead ("Ashore") that stocks a reasonable variety of specialist beers, but it's not the same out of a bottle... Much better if they're hand-drawn (and fresh!).

EDIT: Just read KenESmith's post - in addition to 'anywhere-but-London', Cornwall has some deliciously strong ales...

x2

I worked in a small pub in West Yorkshire for quite a while and got a taste for the brew - English Ale is awesome!

But believe it or not... a friend over there worked for a local booze importer, and he told me that Steinlager was the best lager he'd ever tasted.

gary67
12-09-2010, 08:42 PM
If your into Lager then yes it is pretty good, but of course Lager isn't real beer

Richard
13-09-2010, 10:14 AM
I went into one over there that was reputed to be the oldest pub in England at 900 years old and that is where I came across the brew Ode Rodger. I'm a short arse and had to duck going under the beams which were as black as pitch.

Mike, would that be 'The Trip' in Nottingham. It was from here that the Crusaders reputedly had their beer before setting out to join Richard I on his Crusades in the Middle East. The pub is built in caves underneath Nottingham Castle, and is certainly really old. Can't remember what beer I drank here as I was fascinated by the premises.

John H
13-09-2010, 10:42 AM
If your into Lager then yes it is pretty good, but of course Lager isn't real beer

Whilst I agree in general Gary, especially in relation to NZ lagers, it depends upon how they are made. We went into a Czech restaurant in Inverness of all places, and I drank Pilsener (forget the brand now) from the tap rather than a bottle. It was absolutely delicious and made NZ lagers look sick. Generally though I drank ales on my trips to Britain.

Not all real ales are good though, are they? I drank something horridible in Scotland - Belhaven. Whereas Fullers was a pint to forget (no flavour) Belhaven tasted actively ghastly. Don't know if it was a bad batch, or whether that is what the Scots like...

KenESmith
13-09-2010, 11:38 AM
Pilsener was the name given to the first Lagers brewed - from Pilsen in Czeckoslavakia - (ie brewed in the style of Lager from Pilsen)
A significant proportion of German beers are in fact Pilsener styled lagers - Lowenbrau of couse being one of the most famous, and Becks being now a well established if unreasonably expensive bottled example of German Lager available in Australoia and NZ.

Poppa John
13-09-2010, 11:46 AM
There is no bad beer. Some beers are better than others. A cold beer is better than a warm beer, but, a warm beer is better than no beer. PJ :drool

mikebartnz
13-09-2010, 12:01 PM
Mike, would that be 'The Trip' in Nottingham. It was from here that the Crusaders reputedly had their beer before setting out to join Richard I on his Crusades in the Middle East. The pub is built in caves underneath Nottingham Castle, and is certainly really old. Can't remember what beer I drank here as I was fascinated by the premises.
No it was west nor west just out of London

mikebartnz
13-09-2010, 12:05 PM
Not all real ales are good though, are they? I drank something horridible in Scotland - Belhaven. Whereas Fullers was a pint to forget (no flavour) Belhaven tasted actively ghastly. Don't know if it was a bad batch, or whether that is what the Scots like...
When ever you go into a pub always look to see what the locals are drinking as that will be the best brew there as the beer doesn't have much time to settle in the pipes. You can have a good beer in one place and have the same elsewhere and it can be revolting because it is going off in the pipes.

mikebartnz
13-09-2010, 12:08 PM
There is no bad beer.
Oh yes there is. I remember a guy I had done some work for over there bought me some cans of Guinness(before they had that gas ball in them) for a party and they were so bad I could not drink them and I love Guinness.

prefect
13-09-2010, 12:27 PM
Englanders and warm beer luckily we are more civilized here.

mikebartnz
13-09-2010, 12:40 PM
Englanders and warm beer luckily we are more civilized here.
Said by someone who hasn't been over there so hasn't tasted many good beers.

Richard
13-09-2010, 01:13 PM
It's a common misconception that English beer is served warm. Rubbish. It is cooled, but not semi frozen to the point of tastelessness, as in some NZ bars and especially in Australia.

John H
13-09-2010, 01:17 PM
Englanders and warm beer luckily we are more civilized here.

It is a myth that the Brits drink warm beer. I grant you that is not as cold as the ghastly frozen stuff you get here (especially the beer that comes out of those taps that have ice all over them). However, good beer in Britain comes from the 'room temperature' of a cellar that is as cold as a witch's proverbial.

The difference between British and Irish real ales and the junk served up by NZ breweries like Lion and Dominion (not microbreweries like The Twisted Hop and Emersons) is that the Brit and Irish ales are served at a temperature where you can actually taste them and tell whether they are good or not. If you drink NZ brewery junk, you HAVE to drink it frozen so you can't taste what they are serving you. If you could taste it, you wouldn't ever drink it again. That is why Kiwis think it is important to drink frozen beer.

John H
13-09-2010, 01:25 PM
@ KarameaDave - please describe the temperature of the beers you are enjoying if you would be so kind!

Would you typify them as 'warm'?

Snorkbox
13-09-2010, 03:02 PM
Anyone tried this one yet?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/4123276/New-McCashins-beer-flying-off-the-shelves

SolMiester
13-09-2010, 03:56 PM
Well,
Today I've sampled Green King IPA
Old Speckled Hen, Old Sharpie (Humpty Dumpty)
and Abbots.
Quite liked the Abbots and the Old Speckled Hen.
:drool
Lovely night out with old friends from Karamea.
Music night at the Burston Crown...brilliant music
and good company. Norfolk is very much as I imagined rural
England to be.
Stay tuned for further updates :D


LOL, when in the UK, I used to drink Abbots!...took me a few years to get used too, put a lemonade top on to begin with!

SolMiester
13-09-2010, 04:02 PM
It is a myth that the Brits drink warm beer. I grant you that is not as cold as the ghastly frozen stuff you get here (especially the beer that comes out of those taps that have ice all over them). However, good beer in Britain comes from the 'room temperature' of a cellar that is as cold as a witch's proverbial.

The difference between British and Irish real ales and the junk served up by NZ breweries like Lion and Dominion (not microbreweries like The Twisted Hop and Emersons) is that the Brit and Irish ales are served at a temperature where you can actually taste them and tell whether they are good or not. If you drink NZ brewery junk, you HAVE to drink it frozen so you can't taste what they are serving you. If you could taste it, you wouldn't ever drink it again. That is why Kiwis think it is important to drink frozen beer.

+1

mikebartnz
13-09-2010, 04:54 PM
LOL, when in the UK, I used to drink Abbots!...took me a few years to get used too, put a lemonade top on to begin with!
Did you know that the first shandies were beer and ginger beer?

mikebartnz
13-09-2010, 04:57 PM
Anyone tried this one yet?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/4123276/New-McCashins-beer-flying-off-the-shelves
Looking forward to it. Glad to see they are up and running again as I thought they were finished when Lion Nathan bought out Macs.

Cicero
13-09-2010, 08:46 PM
What a load of nonsense. I think you should stick to topics that you know something about.
What is so great about NZ beer anyway, they hardly feature in world wide best beer awards, in fact UK beers get many more gold awards than us.

B has this penchant for being all knowing at times,but we ain't going to change him Saf.

gary67
13-09-2010, 08:51 PM
Whilst I agree in general Gary, especially in relation to NZ lagers, it depends upon how they are made. We went into a Czech restaurant in Inverness of all places, and I drank Pilsener (forget the brand now) from the tap rather than a bottle. It was absolutely delicious and made NZ lagers look sick. Generally though I drank ales on my trips to Britain.

Not all real ales are good though, are they? I drank something horridible in Scotland - Belhaven. Whereas Fullers was a pint to forget (no flavour) Belhaven tasted actively ghastly. Don't know if it was a bad batch, or whether that is what the Scots like...

Yes some are definitely better than others, Shepard Neame the Kent brewery where I'm from you certainly wouldn't want a night out on their best yet they made a Spitfire ale as a short run to celebrate the battle of Britain and it was superb

KarameaDave
14-09-2010, 07:05 AM
Tried St Austells Tribute...Not bad, with a slight fruity aftertaste.
Wychwood Bountiful is also nice.

Having a night in Doncaster then heading north.
Looking forward to trying Black Sheep and Theakstons.

Visited St Georges distillery, the only one in England.
Makes 2 single malts
Chapter 6 which is unpeated.
Chapter 9 which is.
Both not too bad but a bit expensive at 40 pounds for a 700mL
bottle so didn't buy any.

KenESmith
14-09-2010, 10:12 AM
Going North -
Visit Tadcaster home of Samuel Smith"s Brewery and John Smith's Brewery - I prefer Sam's product.

Then North of Harrogate, (Where I used to live, before moving to NZ), thru Ripon, get onto the Burton-on Yore Road to Masham, home to Theakstons and Black Sheep Breweries - both do Brewery tours, if you vist them diligently you with need several days to carry our a thorough study and recover.

prefect
14-09-2010, 12:19 PM
Yes some are definitely better than others, Shepard Neame the Kent brewery where I'm from you certainly wouldn't want a night out on their best yet they made a Spitfire ale as a short run to celebrate the battle of Britain and it was superb

Imagine all the ******* tally ho jokes!
I would rather drink a German Ju87 beer.

KarameaDave
17-09-2010, 09:31 AM
Theakstons Grouse Beater nice with a fruity undertone.
Spitfire not bad.
A couple I've forgotten...hic! :D
Berwick upon Tweed tonight.
Mussellburgh (near Edinburgh) tomorrow.

Visited our first castle ruin today Warkworth...stronghold of the Percy family
totally amazing to think of all that must have gone on there.

Cicero
17-09-2010, 09:59 AM
Imagine all the ******* tally ho jokes!
I would rather drink a German Ju87 beer.

It may be better to try them before being so sure.

John H
17-09-2010, 10:25 AM
(snip)
Berwick upon Tweed tonight.(snip)

So you are in Scotland tonight then! ;)


Visited our first castle ruin today Warkworth...stronghold of the Percy family totally amazing to think of all that must have gone on there.

Look up the words droit de seigneur KD...

jcr1
17-09-2010, 11:46 AM
Visited our first castle ruin today Warkworth...stronghold of the Percy family
totally amazing to think of all that must have gone on there.

We returned from the UK just a few weeks ago. Stayed mainly in the South of England this time (aside from a trip to Ghent for a few days and visiting our niece, who lives in Cheshire).
When we're over there I like to catch up with visiting a few castles (history has always been an interest and castles especially fascinating even when travel was just a dream). Visited Beaumaris, on Anglesey, in Nth. Wales, Colchester and Framlingham in East Anglia, Caerphilly in Sth. Wales; all pretty impressive. As well visited the Gravensteen in Ghent, where I got to fire a crossbow.
As to beers, I really liked Red Squirrel and Landlord, which was served in the Black Lion, in St. Albans, where we stayed with our son.

prefect
17-09-2010, 11:52 AM
Where can a man get a Watneys Red Barrel?

John H
17-09-2010, 01:05 PM
Where can a man get a Watneys Red Barrel?

There is a bar in Brown's Bay that sells quite a lot of English beers, some of them on tap. I have had Newkie Brown Ale, and a John Smith there. You would feel right at home there prefect, because Brown's Bay and that bar seems to be full of Englanders. I feel quite a foreigner there, but I suffer it because of the beer.

gary67
17-09-2010, 08:06 PM
Where can a man get a Watneys Red Barrel?

Bells island sewage ponds Nelson would be my first guess, honestly that stuff is best forgotten.

Hmm Newky Brown notorious for giving you the s%^ts the next morning

KenESmith
17-09-2010, 10:05 PM
Anyone who appreciated fine ales would not drink any Watney's product unless genuinely dying of thirst. Same goes for Ind Coope and Fullers to name but a couple of examples of revolving so called beers.

gary67
18-09-2010, 10:00 AM
Anyone who appreciated fine ales would not drink any Watney's product unless genuinely dying of thirst. Same goes for Ind Coope and Fullers and Lion Nathan to name but a couple of examples of revolving so called beers.


Couldn't agree more and added one that you forgot

John H
18-09-2010, 10:51 AM
One thing I noticed when drinking ales in England, Scotland and Ireland was that I never suffered any after effects to head or stomach, unlike if I drink the gut rot from the big two breweries in NZ.

I took two old mates to the Twisted Hop in ChaCha where they over indulged in the Twisted Ankle (sadly, I was designated driver so I was more restrained). No after problems with the mate who was staying with us either.

Am I right or wrong about that? Is there something about those real ales that doesn't give a hangover or crook gut? Maybe I don't drink enough these days... It could be that simple.

prefect
18-09-2010, 11:18 AM
Love to know what keg beer they had onboard English Royal Navy Frigate in Darwin port many moons ago.
The CPOs kept saying it was so good you didnt get a hangover drinking it, like so totally mega wrong had a blinder the next day. Worse than a cider hangover.

gary67
18-09-2010, 11:28 AM
One thing I noticed when drinking ales in England, Scotland and Ireland was that I never suffered any after effects to head or stomach, unlike if I drink the gut rot from the big two breweries in NZ.

I took two old mates to the Twisted Hop in ChaCha where they over indulged in the Twisted Ankle (sadly, I was designated driver so I was more restrained). No after problems with the mate who was staying with us either.

Am I right or wrong about that? Is there something about those real ales that doesn't give a hangover or crook gut? Maybe I don't drink enough these days... It could be that simple.

Some don't but a lot do. You find a lot of German beers don't give you a hangover something to do with the lack of chemicals in the brewing process. I have spent a lot of nights on the town in Germany when I was playing water polo in England

John H
18-09-2010, 04:20 PM
Some don't but a lot do. You find a lot of German beers don't give you a hangover something to do with the lack of chemicals in the brewing process. I have spent a lot of nights on the town in Germany when I was playing water polo in England

Yeah, the Germans have really strict rules - malt, hops and water, and that's your lot. Maybe that is what is going on with the NZ beers - bad additives.

johcar
18-09-2010, 04:49 PM
Yep - Reinheitsgebot: the best thing to ever happen to beer.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot?wasRedirected=true

:pf1mobmini:

KarameaDave
20-09-2010, 10:10 AM
Yeah, German obersturmbannführer beer must be better....not!
Of course I'm in favour of no additives in my beer...but not a big fan of Germans.

KarameaDave
24-09-2010, 07:26 PM
Well, sorry about that outburst! :blush:
Anyway, lately we have been staying with a friend near Windermere.
A very beautiful area if you can get away from the other tourists!
Luckily our friend lives at the end of a small road quite near Morecambe Bay.
So a bit of peace and quiet for a change!

I have been drinking Thwaites Lancaster Bomber lately, it is a nice smooth drop.
Tried Jennings Sneck Lifter yesterday (who thinks up these names?) a dark almost Stout like beer with a fair punch (5.1%)
Coniston Bluebird Bitter is also very good.

Didn't find any good Beers in Scotland really. but I'm sure there must be some!
I'm pleased to report though that they seem to be getting the hang of this
Whisky-making business. :D

gary67
24-09-2010, 07:59 PM
Good to hear your still making the most of the alcoholic advantages over there

Cicero
24-09-2010, 08:01 PM
Well, sorry about that outburst! :blush:
Anyway, lately we have been staying with a friend near Windermere.
A very beautiful area if you can get away from the other tourists!
Luckily our friend lives at the end of a small road quite near Morecambe Bay.
So a bit of peace and quiet for a change!

I have been drinking Thwaites Lancaster Bomber lately, it is a nice smooth drop.
Tried Jennings Sneck Lifter yesterday (who thinks up these names?) a dark almost Stout like beer with a fair punch (5.1%)
Coniston Bluebird Bitter is also very good.

Didn't find any good Beers in Scotland really. but I'm sure there must be some!
I'm pleased to report though that they seem to be getting the hang of this
Whisky-making business. :D


Apple wasn't stared till 1970?

KarameaDave
25-09-2010, 08:34 AM
But I was started in 1959, Cicero!

Cicero
25-09-2010, 08:36 AM
But I was started in 1959, Cicero!

And a good year it was!:D

You should visit Hayfield in Derbyshire,they say you haven't lived until you have been there.

John H
25-09-2010, 10:18 AM
Well, sorry about that outburst! :blush:
Anyway, lately we have been staying with a friend near Windermere.
(snip
Tried Jennings Sneck Lifter yesterday (who thinks up these names?) a dark almost Stout like beer with a fair punch (5.1%)
Coniston Bluebird Bitter is also very good. (snip

Her Indoors was born in Whitehaven and her family came from Egremont, so we have spent a bit of time in Cumbria on our trips to Britain. One of the pubs in St Bees (where we stayed) was a Jennings pub. Hence a few pints of Jennings have been imbibed. Good beer, and you can get it easily in NZ - Sneck Lifter at least - but unfortunately I always find the bottles less satisfying than off the pump. This thread is not doing me any good at all...

mikebartnz
26-09-2010, 10:10 PM
This article (http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Full+moon+makes+better+beer/3578168/story.html) states that it is better to brew beer using the full moon.

sarel
27-09-2010, 07:15 AM
As a fully trained beer brewer (no, I'm not doing it any more) I followed this thread with interest. During my training I also trained on tasting other international beers to enhance your nose and taste buds. I've tasted beers from all over the world (yes, I agree that they all came from a bottle and are therefore not the same as freshly poured) but based on that, I considered the German beers to be the best. You could taste every ingredient in it. I did not like the British beers a lot, for the same reason a lot of the elderly lads here like it - it was never served at a temperature I liked, and it was too flat. Czech beer was also good, and the worst of the lot was the American cr*ppola.

By the way, I agree that Lion Red and DB is pure cr*p. I have yet to drink a pint of Lion Red and not have an upset stomach. Steinies I don't rate, but I do rate Monteiths, and they do make such a good beer with a honey flavour (can't remember the name).

I any case, my beer drinking days are over so it will remain fond memories. These days my favourite tipple is red wine (due to health reasons I refrain from imbibing beer any more).

sarel

KarameaDave
27-09-2010, 09:01 AM
Arkells, a brewery in Swindon, make beer that I think is worse than any
I have tried so far...don't drink it, it is crap!!!:yuck::yuck::yuck::yuck::yuck:

gary67
27-09-2010, 07:07 PM
but I do rate Monteiths, and they do make such a good beer with a honey flavour (can't remember the name).


sarel

That would be the Monteiths summer ale

mikebartnz
28-09-2010, 08:23 PM
and the worst of the lot was the American c*ppola.l
Polluted water in my opinion.

KarameaDave
28-09-2010, 09:22 PM
2 days left in the UK :(
Then off to Paris...can't imagine they have good beer?
Then Heidelberg...Germans!!! :D

gary67
28-09-2010, 09:32 PM
French Beer yuck.

You going on the eurostar train? if so look out the window quickly as you pass through Ashford it was my home town bit of a dump really

BobM
28-09-2010, 11:24 PM
Only 6 more day's to the Octoberfest also. What part of Germany are you going to.? :D

KarameaDave
29-09-2010, 02:41 AM
We are going to Munich, unfortunately just after the fest...just couldn't get accomodation
for then!

BobM
29-09-2010, 02:51 PM
Gosh. Blow. Sod. Dam. ! ! ! :(

Gobe1
29-09-2010, 03:26 PM
French Beer yuck.

You going on the eurostar train? if so look out the window quickly as you pass through Ashford it was my home town bit of a dump really

Then you should have told him to shut his eyes when they went through :lol:

KarameaDave
29-09-2010, 08:17 PM
Gosh. Blow. Sod. Dam. ! ! ! :(
Yes that sums up my feelings about it too!:(
Gary67 will wave as the Eurostar takes us past your hometown. :)
(I realise you won't be there, how's Nelson?)

gary67
29-09-2010, 08:32 PM
Very wet today heavy rain warning in place

KarameaDave
30-09-2010, 04:06 AM
Raining in London today too:(
Went for a walk up Edgeware road then a bus to the British museum...you could spend a week in there and still not see it all, saw the Sutton Hoo helmet so yay for that!
Had a couple of pints of Castle Rock Preservation Ale...a nice Reddish-brown bitter...lovely.

Fishb8
30-09-2010, 01:54 PM
I was a CAMRA founder member in 74 and miss English beer every day. I was from Merseyside and we had a Brewery called Higsons that made a very pale, hoppy beer - so yuumy but got taken over by Boddingtons and beer never brewed again - barstards!
Thwaites, Holts, Hydes & Robinsons - their Old Tom used to be sold from a firkin on the bar - strong as! (but never liked it - too sweet), Marstons. Last time in Blighty tasted Deuchars and it was a fine drop - tasty as and only 3.5% - great for a session!!
Cock & Bull's are ok'ish - Epic IPA is tasty if you let it warm up a bit.
Drinking ale is like red wine - you don't chill the bollocks off it - I remember the optimum serving temp of bitter was 54-56 F - about 13C.

John H
30-09-2010, 02:24 PM
I was a CAMRA founder member in 74 and miss English beer every day. I was from Merseyside and we had a Brewery called Higsons that made a very pale, hoppy beer - so yuumy but got taken over by Boddingtons and beer never brewed again - barstards!
Thwaites, Holts, Hydes & Robinsons - their Old Tom used to be sold from a firkin on the bar - strong as! (but never liked it - too sweet), Marstons. Last time in Blighty tasted Deuchars and it was a fine drop - tasty as and only 3.5% - great for a session!!
(snip)

Marstons and Deuchars are both great.

Re Boddingtons - my wife's cousin came from Lancashire, and used to delight in going into Yorkshire pubs and saying loudly "I would like a pint of really good ale. Oh, I know, please give me a Boddingtons"... Not sure if he ever got punched out by a loyal Yorkshireman, but he deserved it!