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Sumit Pandey
23-08-2010, 04:05 PM
HI Everyone,
I am doing my post graduate diploma in Computing, and completed my Bachelor of engineering in computers from India?
I want to start as a network administrator.
But i don't have any experience in network. I just have basic book knowledge about networks and protocols and different technology.

q1. Because of no experience can i get a job into networking to enhance my career.
q2. Should i take any help desk job in support to start my career. if yes where.
q3. would it the help desk job help me in future to grow would this experience count.
q4. is there any practical courses that i can do in Auckland to enhance my practical knowledge on networking.

I AM GRADUATING THIS NOVEMBER AND REALLY WORRIED WHATS OUT THERE FOR ME?

pctek
23-08-2010, 04:16 PM
Concentrate on your interpersonal skills and English.
Not being rude about your foreignness, but it's one thing loads of companies look for - excellent communication.

And you will just have to join the queue with everyone else. Helpdesk is OK but make sure it's helpdesk for a company that does networking - not just some 3rd party call centre.

There are positions for juniors - I've seen 2 lately.

Deimos
23-08-2010, 04:16 PM
No experience means there is pretty much no way you will get a job as a network admin, you should be looking at level 1 support, something with prospects for LVL2 and LVL3 support would be ideal.
EDS (I'm not sure if it is still called EDS, might be HP) would be a good place to start, you could also try Datacom but I'm not sure if they offer 1st level support (i.e. helpdesk).

For practical knowledge, all of the Microsoft certs are pretty good but I wouldn't recommend sitting them without actual experience.

utopian201
23-08-2010, 05:04 PM
I think your best chances are to apply for graduate positions; there is an expectation that you will have no experience. I started by applying for graduate positions.

bk T
23-08-2010, 05:09 PM
Getting a job with a foreign accent is NOT easy in NZ; of course there are plenty of 'blue-collar' jobs around which do not require any proper qualification, meaning you must be physically fit and don't tell them that you have a bachelor/master degree!:D

pctek
23-08-2010, 05:09 PM
you could also try Datacom but I'm not sure if they offer 1st level support (i.e. helpdesk).
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They do.

pctek
23-08-2010, 06:05 PM
Here you go:
Graduate role:

http://www.seek.co.nz/job/technical-graduate-programme/auckland-auckland-central/17963981/74/1/

English grammar not required:"Technical Graduate Programme
Be Every You":lol:

Sumit Pandey
23-08-2010, 06:52 PM
Thank you every one ..
Please keep it coming .............
it would not only help me but other students of my caliber too. ....

Nomad
23-08-2010, 07:57 PM
imo look for exp first, any IT exp, if not that then look for non IT work exp cos it's better than doing nothing (the money too). you can use that to get into a IT firm and work in non IT and then later try to get into a IT role.

i agree that exp comes first, not anymore quals, looks like you have enof.

once you get any exp, that will show you can work in NZ and you have proven work exp. other NZ employers have hired you.

Renmoo
24-08-2010, 12:30 AM
If you can, get a part-time job in network administration while you are still studying. This shows that you are willing to go for the extra experience even when you haven't graduated yet.

Good luck.

Renmoo
24-08-2010, 12:40 AM
From an ex-job seeker's perspective, let me try to answer the first and the last question.


q1. Because of no experience can i get a job into networking to enhance my career.
As we know, without the necessary experience, it makes it "less appealing" for prospective employers to hire you. As I said previously, start looking for a part-time job while you are still studying. Ask the University or polytechnic if they need someone to take care of their networks. Try the colleges and high schools, or even.



q4. is there any practical courses that i can do in Auckland to enhance my practical knowledge on networking.
The best "practical knowledge" that you can acquire is actually by applying what you have learned to the real-life environment. Refer to point one.

Initially I deleted this last part on the basis that I might be a bit too harsh, but I have decided to retain it after a short deliberation:

The use of proper punctuation and capitalisation is important. Quite often, the manner that you have worded your post tends to reflect yourself. Some of the PressF1 users are working in an IT industry and may be on the look-out for employees. If you are able to demonstrate excellent use of English while asking around here for job-hunting tips, then.... who knows?

Nomad
24-08-2010, 06:53 PM
well i am doing this module on MCP it's a so boring, 1200 pages and w are provided 3 weeks then the MS books tell us to read 6 more other books :lol:

I did measure up tests got 40% now getting 80%.
Did the MS CD questions right .. I got 28%. If the real test is that hard IT workes must be v prestigious. 8 liner questions for every questions, 50Q for 2hr I think it is.

It's #### more harder than A+ and Network+. Maybe we need to be a encyclopedia. Better than the boss. I'm a IT guy. At your service.

PS. I got 88% for A+ and 93% for Network+. This is heaps harder or that I am just too dumb.

forums12345
26-08-2010, 01:33 AM
you can always volunteer yourself to get IT work experience, sure you wont get pay but still you will get real world I.T experience, and experience is the key as we all know. It is pretty hard to get a net admin role without any experience you will need at least 2 to 3 years of experience to get a role like that, but it also depends on luck too.

PCT Joe
26-08-2010, 02:27 AM
Eh, Im doing MCTS, MCITP, A+ and CCNA, it won't be that hard...

I hope, Atleast I'm pretty sure the A+ won't be

Nomad
26-08-2010, 09:02 AM
that ms readiness cd is so hard ... it's like every question is a 6 or 8 liner.

i got 88% for A+ and 93& for N+. But .. MCP. Well maybe that's MS's CD, online people said that was heaps harder than the real external (certification) exam, it was harder than the school's internal thou. Maybe how they word the long winded scenarios ..

volunteer work for IT is squat or any industry. recruitment specialists - coaches not agents said it's one of the least effective ways. why not get real work experience be it non IT related, at least it gives you real money and real assets on your CV and in future you can use this real asset and hunt for a real IT job while start looking for it once you get the real non IT job. no law that say you cannot look for another job while you already have a job ....

some employers may think the only reason you doing volunteer work is b/c you cannot get anything else so you work for no money.

not saying some people out there are not that passionate, hey maybe some but not a lot, i am so passionate i need to pay rent and food and power and i prefer to work for no money just so i can only for in IT. :blush:

with my non IT stuff, i worked in full time call centre and office admin before. i know someone else, we went to primary school and we bumped into each other in the office, she had a double degree, one in law, she had been doing some work in admin (project team as a fixed term contract) and then with the same company got to be a business analyst and now is a investigator with the commerce commission.

fact is statistics show that most people do not get to work in their study choice.

not trashing you but .. maybe those *real* introvert types. i have known those who have been on the dole for a couple of years, think 5 or near 10yrs straight cos they have this mindset, my degree was this so this is the only thing i will work in or that I think I have skills in. hey, doesn't take a lot of stuff to get a job in cust service, call centre, other casual work, admin work, maybe admin for IT, or for law .. you get the drift .. think casual contracts. think part time. maybe they will take you on for longer and increase your pay. i've had fixed term (3 months) increased to 15 then i got a perm job elsewhere where the manager was supportive, i also got a pay rise of like 33%. if you wanna look into stuff like ICT project mgmt, many of them don't even have IT background :lol:

pctek
26-08-2010, 09:32 AM
volunteer work for IT is squat recruitment specialists - coaches not agents said it's one of the least effective ways. :

Well, my boss at Akld Uni - he started off (from tech) working voluntary at Tamaki campus, anything and everything they wanted him to do. He did it for quite a while when he was offered permanent full time work in the structured cabling dept.

Which is how he came to be my boss when I eventually turned up there.

So it works sometimes.

forums12345
26-08-2010, 01:47 PM
volunteer i.t work helps a lot because you dedicate your time and it shows that you are willing to learn and gain experience and you are not in it for the money but for the passion. Volunteering in i.t is great cause you get to learn a lot heaps and it adds huge value to your cv, working in a non i.t role might work for others and it might not for others all in all volunteering for i.t experience is good well for me at least.

Nomad
26-08-2010, 02:08 PM
since your post re: employment issues, it's been some time so pls post back in a year or two and see how well you doing.

imo people should not put all their eggs in one basket. IT work or nothing. maybe $150 is enough for you, maybe you don't have other responsibilities.

helps a lot? in what? sure you have this stuff you have done. but in terms of *real* results, what have you got? any IT real job? turn down more jobs that you could of gotten just to show your passion in IT. oh there is the nz dole. perhaps case managers would think it is ok.

forums12345
26-08-2010, 02:24 PM
Experience is the key op, keep on looking for a way to get some I.T experience volunteer or not look for an I.T role employers want someone who has done I.T work, if you volunteer the chances of you finding a role is easier the competition is hard out there a employer will at least get 80 cv's the more IT experience you have the easier it is to get in.

forums12345
26-08-2010, 02:24 PM
since your post re: employment issues, it's been some time so pls post back in a year or two and see how well you doing.

imo people should not put all their eggs in one basket. IT work or nothing. maybe $150 is enough for you, maybe you don't have other responsibilities.

helps a lot? in what? sure you have this stuff you have done. but in terms of *real* results, what have you got? any IT real job? turn down more jobs that you could of gotten just to show your passion in IT. oh there is the nz dole. perhaps case managers would think it is ok.


Keep talking monkey :clap

Deimos
26-08-2010, 02:28 PM
well i am doing this module on MCP it's a so boring, 1200 pages and w are provided 3 weeks then the MS books tell us to read 6 more other books :lol:

I did measure up tests got 40% now getting 80%.
Did the MS CD questions right .. I got 28%. If the real test is that hard IT workes must be v prestigious. 8 liner questions for every questions, 50Q for 2hr I think it is.

It's #### more harder than A+ and Network+. Maybe we need to be a encyclopedia. Better than the boss. I'm a IT guy. At your service.

PS. I got 88% for A+ and 93% for Network+. This is heaps harder or that I am just too dumb.

I had about 7 years experience before I sat the 4 exams for MCSA and found them not too difficult, only took me about 30 minutes for all 50 Questions each time.

Experience really does matter in IT, I would have found it almost impossible to sit those exams with study alone, and probably would have learned nothing.

Nomad
26-08-2010, 02:30 PM
Keep talking monkey :clap

results speak louder than words mate.

as i said report back in a year or so ... and see how well you doing, your choice - at that time continue that path or adjust that or seek a career professional's advice, they may have some tips.

Nomad
26-08-2010, 02:31 PM
I had about 7 years experience before I sat the 4 exams for MCSA and found them not too difficult, only took me about 30 minutes for all 50 Questions each time.

Experience really does matter in IT, I would have found it almost impossible to sit those exams with study alone, and probably would have learned nothing.

yeah i have used computers, but server stuff and more IT stuff i never worked in IT before. my b/g has been in office admin / analysis. i think ms provides 2hr or 3hr for those exams right ...

re: IT experienced guys, i heard they did all the 3 or 4 exams in a month w/ flying colours :waughh:

Deimos
26-08-2010, 02:57 PM
yeah i have used computers, but server stuff and more IT stuff i never worked in IT before. my b/g has been in office admin / analysis. i think ms provides 2hr or 3hr for those exams right ...

re: IT experienced guys, i heard they did all the 3 or 4 exams in a month w/ flying colours :waughh:

In my experience, more time will not help because its mostly multi choice, and maybe 1 or 2 sims, so you either breese through or fail...

Nomad
26-08-2010, 03:08 PM
some say the ms cd is harder than the real exam.

with the cd, i read word by word and re read it again ... :D even the practice stuff 50Q takes me 2hr, maybe 1hr if I am pumped up.

Nomad
26-08-2010, 06:21 PM
it's so hard ... getting 50s now :lol:

people do say the real exam is no where as hard as the CD questions.