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Roscoe
27-07-2010, 05:21 PM
My present hard drive is about 12 years old and I am wondering if I need to replace it. (Originally ran Win98, now XP.) There have been a few problems noted lately. A few times it has decided not to start up. No blue screens, just refusing to start.

I do not play any games, apart from the occasional windows supplied games, so do not need anything capable of playing the latest.

The main requirement is that the hard drive is fast enough to capture video, but then I would think that all hard drives are fast enough to do that.

The C drive is 75Gb and my secondary drive is 30Gb which are both plenty for my requirements.

Any recommendations as to what I should buy for a replacement hard drive? What price is a good price? $100?

Is it possible to temporarily install the new drive as a slave, then copy the entire C drive to the new drive then install it as the new C drive?

Your help is appreciated. Thanks.

pctek
27-07-2010, 07:52 PM
How do you know the drive is the problem? What doesn't start? Windows or the PC itself?
If you replace the drive you need an imaging program, you don't just copy - that won't work. DriveClone or something similar is what you need.

icow
27-07-2010, 08:04 PM
http://www.elive.co.nz/western-digital-caviar-black-drive-sy1273.php
Heaps of storage assuming your pc has SATA.
Before you buy a new HD make sure you check what pctek said.

Roscoe
28-07-2010, 09:17 AM
How do you know the drive is the problem? What doesn't start? Windows or the PC itself?
If you replace the drive you need an imaging program, you don't just copy - that won't work. DriveClone or something similar is what you need.

I do not know that it is the drive, I just wondered if it may be because it is 12 years old.

The PC does start to boot but then it does not want to load windows.

It is an intermittent fault. At present all is well but, going on past performance, that may not last.

Recently, windows would not start and it said, "system32\drivers\pci.sys is missing or faulty. Attempt to repair by using setup cd." Not having the CD at the time I just left it switched off for about 24 hours and on the next attempt it started.

kahawai chaser
28-07-2010, 09:45 AM
Try a diagnostic utility for your drive, maybe from the vendor. I use the free disk investigator. Or maybe a verification checker for missing/corrupt windows files. I did a boot scan with Avast 5, and interestingly it found a few corrupt files.

Deimos
28-07-2010, 10:21 AM
12 years old, first, that is definitely IDE, second, time for a new PC me thinks...

inphinity
28-07-2010, 11:33 AM
My present hard drive is about 12 years old

The C drive is 75Gb

I think we're gonna need some clarification here. I seriously doubt you have a 12 year old 80GB drive.

McRuff
28-07-2010, 02:55 PM
Have you tried running a Scan disk or chkdsk on the problem drive. Make sure you check for bad sectors

SolMiester
28-07-2010, 04:12 PM
12 years old, first, that is definitely IDE, second, time for a new PC me thinks...

+1

PPp
28-07-2010, 08:38 PM
http://pricespy.co.nz/search.php?query=IDE+Hard+Drive

Some very expensive drives here ($\Gig) compared to currently available SATA drives.

Agent_24
29-07-2010, 12:34 AM
Recently, windows would not start and it said, "system32\drivers\pci.sys is missing or faulty. Attempt to repair by using setup cd." Not having the CD at the time I just left it switched off for about 24 hours and on the next attempt it started.

Could be the drive, could be RAM. Could be a dodgy hard drive cable.

You need to run some tests I think to try to figure out the problem...

I'd give Speedfan a run, see if SMART turns up anything bad. Probably run Memtest as well, make sure it wasn't something else.

Deimos
29-07-2010, 12:48 AM
I think we're gonna need some clarification here. I seriously doubt you have a 12 year old 80GB drive.

Well the IBM "Deathstar" 75GXP came out around 2000 so he's not far off the mark...

Roscoe
29-07-2010, 09:44 AM
Try a diagnostic utility for your drive, maybe from the vendor. I use the free disk investigator. Or maybe a verification checker for missing/corrupt windows files. I did a boot scan with Avast 5, and interestingly it found a few corrupt files.

Could you please give me a link so I could download and use these programmes. Ta.


Could be the drive, could be RAM. Could be a dodgy hard drive cable.

You need to run some tests I think to try to figure out the problem...

I'd give Speedfan a run, see if SMART turns up anything bad. Probably run Memtest as well, make sure it wasn't something else.

How do I run these tests? Do I need to download a programme? If so, could you please send me a link? Ta.

Snorkbox
29-07-2010, 10:31 AM
I'd love to give you a link Roscoe but nowhere have you posted the make and model in this thread.

Snorkbox
29-07-2010, 11:09 AM
An addition to above.

Memtest +
http://www.memtest.org/

Speedfan
http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php

Google is your friend.

1101
29-07-2010, 11:37 AM
try Seatools (google to find it). it will work on most brands, or at least the floopy bootdisk version did.
or just a basic chkdsk /r

"windows would not start and it said, "system32\drivers\pci.sys is missing"
this should tell you it probhably isnt RAM.
Backup your data now (assuming you can get Win going)
Dont trust SMART as a HD diag.
Look for HD errors in Win system logs (assuming you can get Win going)

Backup your data now. Do you really want to trust a 12 year old failing HD ??
replace replace replace

Roscoe
29-07-2010, 12:16 PM
I'd love to give you a link Roscoe but nowhere have you posted the make and model in this thread.

Sorry about that, chief. It is a Seagate 80Gb, Barracuda 7200.7, model ST380011A.

Snorkbox
29-07-2010, 12:19 PM
So get this then.

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools

PCT Joe
30-07-2010, 12:02 PM
as for replacing the drive, heres a $99 Hard drive with free shipping

http://playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=234/ID=13989/SID=920531828/productdetails.html

Its a 250GB WD and its supplied from playtech so you can be assured that should you have any problems playtech will promptly reply to your concerns and/or replace it.

If you use acronis true image 2009/2010, it boots from a live disk(CD) and is very easy to use. I'd recommend scaling your first HDD and then copying the data from the second onto it.

Agent_24
30-07-2010, 12:12 PM
as for replacing the drive, heres a $99 Hard drive with free shipping

http://playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=234/ID=13989/SID=920531828/productdetails.html

And this is a 500GB Seagate which is cheaper:

http://playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=235/ID=9881/SID=1059132209/productdetails.html

And this is a 1TB Seagate which is the same price:

http://playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=235/ID=2268/SID=160342863/productdetails.html

If you can't boot anymore to install Speedfan, you could try http://www.hdat2.com/ if you want to see the SMART details.

Snorkbox
30-07-2010, 12:18 PM
But is not the original drive IDE rather than SATA2?

So has the O/P got SATA ports on the current motherboard?

bevy121
30-07-2010, 12:22 PM
and they are both sata...


(and I took too long pressing "Post Quick Reply" button lol - you beat me Snork)

Agent_24
30-07-2010, 12:24 PM
Sorry, didn't notice that...

PCT Joe
30-07-2010, 12:25 PM
Agent_24, I think you forget that this is an IDE machine. hence the high prices and low storage capacity

Edit: I should have read ahead

bevy121
30-07-2010, 12:27 PM
lol - PCT was even slower than all off us! :)

PCT Joe
30-07-2010, 12:41 PM
Yea, I was mucking around in other posts :P

Roscoe
30-07-2010, 03:21 PM
So get this then.

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools

I downloaded Sea Tools for Windows and ran it on the hard drive. It has five tests in all and the hard drive passed all tests. I'm supposing that means that there is no fault with the hard drive?

Thanks to all for all the other suggestions. All very welcome.:thanks

Agent_24
30-07-2010, 03:28 PM
I downloaded Sea Tools for Windows and ran it on the hard drive. It has five tests in all and the hard drive passed all tests. I'm supposing that means that there is no fault with the hard drive?

Thanks to all for all the other suggestions. All very welcome.:thanks

Not always. Seatools pretty much only tells you the drive is failing when there are flames coming out the back of it.

I would download and run HDAT2 (http://www.hdat2.com/) and check the SMART status of the drive.