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The Error Guy
02-06-2010, 05:05 PM
Recently my school has decided that all boarders MUST have AB Tutor Control installed on their laptops. If you don't let them install it the school will confiscate the laptop until you next go home and you are not allowed to bring it to school.

they also block countless websites by category and give no clear reason (forums, bulletins boards. education, humor, entertainment ect) I can only just accept this because we are using their internet connection so they can do what they want with it but they have recently banned T-sticks so we now have no alternative, fascist censored connection or nothing.

I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit extreme or unethical of the school?

CYaBro
02-06-2010, 05:12 PM
So what about iphones etc?

pctek
02-06-2010, 05:15 PM
I can only just accept this because we are using their internet connection so they can do what they want with it

I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit extreme or unethical of the school?

No

SolMiester
02-06-2010, 05:18 PM
Recently my school has decided that all boarders MUST have AB Tutor Control installed on their laptops. If you don't let them install it the school will confiscate the laptop until you next go home and you are not allowed to bring it to school.

they also block countless websites by category and give no clear reason (forums, bulletins boards. education, humor, entertainment ect) I can only just accept this because we are using their internet connection so they can do what they want with it but they have recently banned T-sticks so we now have no alternative, fascist censored connection or nothing.

I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit extreme or unethical of the school?

Being in High School, and a boarder, you need local parenti to guide you as you are not yet an adult. At home I would expect any parent worth their salt to also monitor your internet access!....

When you are an adult, pay your way and your own BB, you can do what you like, until then, you have to accept the rules....

Chilling_Silence
02-06-2010, 05:19 PM
What if you run Linux / MacOS? Then what do they do?

Chilling_Silence
02-06-2010, 05:20 PM
When you are an adult, pay your way and your own BB, you can do what you like, until then, you have to accept the rules....

Though apparently they've banned the likes of 3G Data sticks also ... ?

prefect
02-06-2010, 05:32 PM
Recently my school has decided that all boarders MUST have AB Tutor Control installed on their laptops. If you don't let them install it the school will confiscate the laptop until you next go home and you are not allowed to bring it to school.

they also block countless websites by category and give no clear reason (forums, bulletins boards. education, humor, entertainment ect) I can only just accept this because we are using their internet connection so they can do what they want with it but they have recently banned T-sticks so we now have no alternative, fascist censored connection or nothing.

I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit extreme or unethical of the school?

No
You are a school kid do as you are told and stop complaining.

Cato
02-06-2010, 05:32 PM
VMWare or a linux distro.

Cato
02-06-2010, 05:35 PM
Are you lance4k?
Sounds like a question to come from him... I think I have become paranoid.:xmouth:

johcar
02-06-2010, 05:35 PM
No


No
You are a school kid do as you are told and stop complaining.

Agree.

GreacherTech
02-06-2010, 05:37 PM
Yeah sorry dude, be happy you have internet access at all. I myself went to boarding school where laptops as a rule of thumb were banned full stop.

hueybot3000
02-06-2010, 05:51 PM
If your a boarder I think its fair they should be able to do whatever they want outside of school hours. Like any normal person. But during school hours you should only be learning!

nedkelly
02-06-2010, 06:24 PM
Vms wont work because they still have to use the network connection, and I can tell you from experience that it is very hard to get around ab tutor control

Metla
02-06-2010, 06:25 PM
Meh, If you can't get around that then you deserve what you get.

Billy T
02-06-2010, 06:27 PM
If your a boarder I think its fair they should be able to do whatever they want outside of school hours. Like any normal person. But during school hours you should only be learning!

When you are a boarder the school accepts responsibility 24/7. They are effectively acting as lawful guardians (loc parentis) at the request of your parents, and are legally responsible for your wellbeing.

They can block anything they wish so suck it in, the only alternative is to send you back to your parents if you won't wear it, and your parents would probably send you straight back with some tender parts missing.

Society has rules because society needs rules, and those who choose not to follow the rules run the risk of being removed from society for a while if caught. There are some new luxury hi-rise apartments with penthouse suites being prepared at Mt Eden for people who think they stand above the rules of society. :devil

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

hueybot3000
02-06-2010, 06:29 PM
But forums? The youth in here bring all the wisdom, includin myself. Can;t have them blocked out

icow
02-06-2010, 06:32 PM
they also block countless websites by category and give no clear reason (forums, bulletins boards. education, humor, entertainment ect) You obviously never heard of this. (http://www.topbits.com/proxy.html)

Erayd
02-06-2010, 06:36 PM
I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit extreme or unethical of the school?A bit extreme, yes. Unethical, no - they can do what they like, it's their connection, and they are in effect your guardian while you are boarding there, so they have an obligation to make sure you are well cared for - if their definition of well cared for involves internet censorship, then so be it.


Recently my school has decided that all boarders MUST have AB Tutor Control installed on their laptops. If you don't let them install it the school will confiscate the laptop until you next go home and you are not allowed to bring it to school.Installed does not equal running or useful. By all means let them install it; if it then bugs you, just circumvent it.

Cato
02-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Vms wont work because they still have to use the network connection, and I can tell you from experience that it is very hard to get around ab tutor control

VPN?

Erayd
02-06-2010, 06:47 PM
VPN?Not if it installs network filter hooks, which if it's halfway decent it will. After installing this particular product, I'd no longer trust the OS it was installed on.

I have to say, looking at the feature list (http://www.abtutor.com/html/Features.html), this appears to be a rather invasive piece of software. In the OP's shoes I'd be ditching the OS after it was installed - move it to a VM guest or something. That way it's there when needed, but only when you want it to be, and you don't have someone looking over your shoulder all the time with keylogging / screenshot / watching etc features. This thing basically leaves you no privacy.


You obviously never heard of this. (http://www.topbits.com/proxy.html)
That is not a sufficient measure to get around AB Tutor, it's more capable than you give it credit for ;).

pcuser42
02-06-2010, 07:06 PM
Our school apparently uses AB Tutor Control :horrified

Time to stop playing Google Pacman.

Sweep
02-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Not unethical at all. You are at school to learn rather than visit social networking sites.

Boarding school means the staff become your parents effectively and the staff would be lacking in their duty if certain measure are not taken.

When I went to school you could not use ballpoint pens as they were banned as they could destroy your handwriting skills.

They did not ban laptops or computers or calculators though.

Orca
02-06-2010, 08:48 PM
While on the school network:
http://www.torproject.org/easy-download.html.en

While not on:
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/mobile-broadband/

I don't see how they can find out you're using one. Just use it in your room and lock the door ie don't use it out in the open.

lol at all the school kid haters: "I'm on the internet and have left school, you should do what I say! ho ho ho"

rebels181
02-06-2010, 08:54 PM
Get a cheap laptop with 512mb or less of ram install Vista, Nortons and any other blotware you can find.
Half way though class tell your teacher your still waiting for the laptop to boot up.;)

Terry Porritt
02-06-2010, 08:55 PM
Not unethical at all. You are at school to learn rather than visit social networking sites.

Boarding school means the staff become your parents effectively and the staff would be lacking in their duty if certain measure are not taken.

When I went to school you could not use ballpoint pens as they were banned as they could destroy your handwriting skills.

They did not ban laptops or computers or calculators though.

Ha, ha, same here. When I started Grammar School, ball point pens, ie 'Biros' were verboten, fountain pens were frowned upon, we had to use the school wooden pens with school supplied nibs and the school supplied ink dispensed into our inkwells from large brown glazed pottery bottles.
We used to buy fancy nibs to write in fancy styles.

Slide rules were also frowned upon as we were supposed to show all the 'workings' not just the answer.

Laptops were for sitting upon, these became increasingly popular as one progressed towards senior school, and the petty rules were eased.

Edit: I went to a co-educational school just in case anyone gets the wrong idea.

Sweep
02-06-2010, 09:03 PM
@ Terrey. I was going to say Biro but quite a few would not know what a Biro was.
Very surprised that we were not issued with feather pens as in quills.

:-)

Greven
02-06-2010, 09:07 PM
I can understand the ban on 3g modems because the school would have hell to pay if one of the students got caught looking at porn. The forum blocking is probably because the teachers don't know how to change the settings & don't think it is enough of an issue to talk to their tech about it

Terry Porritt
02-06-2010, 09:34 PM
@ Terrey. I was going to say Biro but quite a few would not know what a Biro was.
Very surprised that we were not issued with feather pens as in quills.

:-)

We were not quite back into the chalk and slate era, but my Ma and Grandma used chalk and slates for general work, paper and pens were reserved for more special work.

If the end of the pen nib was snapped off, the result was a deadly two pronged missile.
This could be fired into the ceiling, preferably when sitting in the back row. The contest was to see whose pen would stay up there the longest, as eventually they would fall out, sometimes it would take several days.

We also had ink monitors, a now long forgotten job. It was their job to dispense ink into the inkwells, and to refill the ink bottle when necessary from the caretakers store.

GreacherTech
02-06-2010, 09:49 PM
You obviously never heard of this. (http://www.topbits.com/proxy.html)

Sorry sir, any decent software like ab tutor is obviously going to block any form of proxy site

Billy T
02-06-2010, 09:53 PM
We were not quite back into the chalk and slate era, but my Ma and Grandma used chalk and slates for general work, paper and pens were reserved for more special work.

Arrrgh!!!!

Are you trying to age me Terry? Bad enough that it's my birthday tomorrow, that bungs another 365 days on the clock. :(

I started in the slate era. We used that and chalk in new entrants, then once we were able to write numbers 1 to 10 and the letters of the alphabet we graduated to paper and 'Black Beauty' pencils that wrote lines as thick as a politician's skin.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :horrified

PaulD
02-06-2010, 10:04 PM
Arrrgh!!!!

I started in the slate era. We used that and chalk in new entrants, then once we were able to write numbers 1 to 10 and the letters of the alphabet we graduated to paper and 'Black Beauty' pencils that wrote lines as thick as a politician's skin.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :horrified

The slate era lasted longer in the colonies so you can remember it and not be 60 yet :D

Terry Porritt
02-06-2010, 10:07 PM
Arrrgh!!!!

Are you trying to age me Terry? Bad enough that it's my birthday tomorrow, that bungs another 365 days on the clock. :(

I started in the slate era. We used that and chalk in new entrants, then once we were able to write numbers 1 to 10 and the letters of the alphabet we graduated to paper and 'Black Beauty' pencils that wrote lines as thick as a politician's skin.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :horrified

Wasn't intending to age you, I was thinking of first form in secondary school, but you are right, I had forgotten, we also had slates in the first class or two of infants school.

mikebartnz
02-06-2010, 10:17 PM
Slide rules were also frowned upon as we were supposed to show all the 'workings' not just the answer.
But to use a slide rule you still need to understand the maths involved unlike calculators.

goodiesguy
02-06-2010, 10:21 PM
banning forums is abit to far. what happens if you need to fix your laptop, thats where pressf1 comes in handy

pcuser42
02-06-2010, 10:26 PM
Maybe Google will come in handy too. ;)

goodiesguy
02-06-2010, 10:30 PM
yes but their is some wonderful and experienced people here too. does this software block bittorrent or p2p? (just wondering).

and just be thankfull that they arent making you install nortons on them otherwize your laptops would fall over and crash

R2x1
02-06-2010, 11:43 PM
My eth detector came up blank, so I suppose that makes it unethical.

prefect
03-06-2010, 08:15 AM
My ethical detector must be broken its never given any indication of ethicality at home or work.

The Error Guy
03-06-2010, 08:44 AM
What if you run Linux / MacOS? Then what do they do?

they die in a hole (thats what I did)

The Error Guy
03-06-2010, 08:57 AM
Ok so its probably not unethical but the fact that we MUST comply and have no other option is a bit extreme in my views. I understand the school has a legal obligation to look after us but they refuse to unblock sites such pressf1 because it is a forum, I don't quite understand why they wont let us access it, it seems they don't either because they refuse to tell me why. I can understand them blocking sites related to piracy and pornography but some of the others are a bit far, almost all the boarders agree with this. I wouldn't expect a completely un-restricted connection at all incase some people got that Idea

For the other Questions:
I have an SSH to my computer at home, now running Ubuntu and 7 and we are definitely not allowed ANY 3G internet connections (and we don't get vodafone reception only telecom)

The teachers don't manage the internet connection (through SINA by Editure) we have about 3 dedicated staff for that and they sure as hell do know how to change it.

All you other sadistic sad sacks who tell us "children" to deal with it obviously have the inability to understand where I was coming from and have successfully defeated the whole point of this discussion so I assume you agree with us that the school having the ability to track EVERY key stroke and stalk you out on the 3 sites that they let us use is ok. point taken about BT, it did, I stopped it. They took my laptop for a year.

Agent_24
03-06-2010, 01:58 PM
As usual, they're just a bunch of idiots who block everything because they're stupid\don't care\are too stupid to care.

If I was in your situation I would be very pissed off.

Blocking dodgy sites because of piracy, porn etc I think is fine but forums is just stupid. There are A LOT of very useful forums and even more which maybe aren't useful but aren't bad either.

You could even explain that with a "some forums are dodgy, we can't be bothered working out which ones so we'll just block eveything" - pretty lame excuse but I can understand that too.

But forcing you to install what constitutes spyware on your computer is just crap. Installing it on their own computers I would have no problem with, but when they want to make you install it on yours that's when they can really get stuffed. I know what I'd do.

The Error Guy
03-06-2010, 02:19 PM
@Agent_24 this is exactly what I was thinking when they told us we had to have AB installed. Interesting to see that you view it as spyware as well. Truth be told most of us cant afford $60 a month for only 4gb on mobile broadband even if it was an alternative (but now its not) international students can't even use MSN or skype to contact home, most of the time I see them talking on cellphones that probably results in a huge international calling bill.

We are going to write a letter to the school board regarding our position and see if we can get some improvements, as with all things they probably wont give it all to as at one and we'll have to see if other people can be sensible with it (mostly regarding the years below us ie 3rd, 4th and 5th form)

only one good use for the system restore function, Die AB die! (frustrating as they treat us as a bunch of stupid 5yr olds, because we have admin rights on our own laptops I can stop the service from running on boot, block with firewall, uninstall ect. also quite funny is I used the same app to change internet settings a while back so we could access some some blocked sites (nothing bad or illegal though) and then they install it on our laptops! big laugh then restore!

Gobe1
03-06-2010, 02:23 PM
tell the media they have been spying on you in your bedroom with your webcam

ubergeek85
03-06-2010, 02:24 PM
tell the media they have been spying on you in your bedroom with your webcam

+1

I'm sure they'll change their position once you set Campbell live on their ass!

Agent_24
03-06-2010, 02:35 PM
@Agent_24 this is exactly what I was thinking when they told us we had to have AB installed. Interesting to see that you view it as spyware as well.

To my mind, Spyware is defined as "computer software that obtains information from a user's computer without the user's knowledge or consent"

You might know it's there but it doesn't sound like you are consenting...

You could of course argue that if it's not for an evil purpose (stealing your passwords, identity, money) that it's not spyware, but I think that's rubbish.

Besides, how do you know someone working at the school isn't doing just that? How do they know their own machines aren't infected with a virus which is allowing some Russian hacker to spy on them, and thus spy on you as well...

Greven
03-06-2010, 03:04 PM
Sounds like they are using Telecom Schoolzone - the school can't add their own exceptions to the filtering rules, only apply to have them added to the global schoolzone whitelist. It also doesn't have options to have less strict filtering outside of school hours so they can either allow all forums all the time or block all forums all the time.

They shouldn't need to install spyware on your personal laptops if you have to go through their web filter. What do they do about students with web enabled phones?

The Error Guy
03-06-2010, 05:56 PM
They do use Schoolzone but they CAN change restrictions, when you set up an account or change an existing one you can check/un check boxes that set the restrictions by category, you can also block certain sites or add exceptions, they have done it before and I have as well.

I won't take this to the media but I doubt the school will back down with AB, they claim its for our own safety but one of my main concerns is what they do with any info that they gain such as passwords, banking details and other sensitive data. I don't believe they have the right to go crawling through my personal files ect but they could if they wanted to.

They claim that they wont use any information they obtain but who believes them?

The Error Guy
03-06-2010, 06:02 PM
You obviously never heard of this. (http://www.topbits.com/proxy.html)

What? a blocked HTTP proxy? yes I know plenty so I made my own try www.sneekz.co.cc but I scewed it up so now it has torrentflux on it

SolMiester
03-06-2010, 10:05 PM
Though apparently they've banned the likes of 3G Data sticks also ... ?

Local parenti...they are not yet adults and still require supervision, cant do that with 3g staicks.....I think the school is acting correctly, though probably a few youngies will go wah!

SolMiester
03-06-2010, 10:11 PM
Ok so its probably not unethical but the fact that we MUST comply and have no other option is a bit extreme in my views. I understand the school has a legal obligation to look after us but they refuse to unblock sites such pressf1 because it is a forum, I don't quite understand why they wont let us access it, it seems they don't either because they refuse to tell me why. I can understand them blocking sites related to piracy and pornography but some of the others are a bit far, almost all the boarders agree with this. I wouldn't expect a completely un-restricted connection at all incase some people got that Idea

For the other Questions:
I have an SSH to my computer at home, now running Ubuntu and 7 and we are definitely not allowed ANY 3G internet connections (and we don't get vodafone reception only telecom)

The teachers don't manage the internet connection (through SINA by Editure) we have about 3 dedicated staff for that and they sure as hell do know how to change it.

All you other sadistic sad sacks who tell us "children" to deal with it obviously have the inability to understand where I was coming from and have successfully defeated the whole point of this discussion so I assume you agree with us that the school having the ability to track EVERY key stroke and stalk you out on the 3 sites that they let us use is ok. point taken about BT, it did, I stopped it. They took my laptop for a year.

Yours is not to reason why, your is but to do or ......

Does it matter WHY, them is the rules!.....Do you think you can debate the issue if you know the reason...LMAO...kids?, You be better off learning how to accept the things you cannot change.........

Agent_24
03-06-2010, 11:11 PM
Just because those are the rules doesn't mean they can't be stupid rules.
I would be quite surprised if they actually have a good reason for blocking the sites they do.

If they block all forums for example then that's most likely just a laziness issue or (maybe) limitation of their software.

Refusing to unblock access to PressF1 on the grounds that it is a forum is clearly idiotic, and such stupidity should be challenged as a matter of principle.

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 12:26 AM
you really need to complain about them blocking this forum. this website is a tool and has nothing to do with pornographic material, and this forum doesent use much interent usage either.

and you should not be made to install something on your laptop. it is your laptop. you choose what you want installed, it is your property. the software from them could harm it.

sorry i just think they have gone too far. not all teenagers are bad. im 14, my room is clean and tidy, i behave, i get good grades at school. why is their such a bad image of teenagers. why are the good teenagers always being punnished. damn

mikebartnz
04-06-2010, 02:01 AM
and you should not be made to install something on your laptop. it is your laptop. you choose what you want installed, it is your property. the software from them could harm it.
Unlikely to do as much harm as them connecting to every dodgy website. They have a right to protect their network.

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 02:09 AM
i see you point and they have a right to protect their network.. but, the students should not be forced into installing something on their laptop which will no doubt slow it down

pcuser42
04-06-2010, 08:25 AM
but, the students should not be forced into installing something on their laptop which will no doubt slow it down

Especially if the student has a netbook - my netbook is slow enough as it is (765MHz), thank you.

The Error Guy
04-06-2010, 08:41 AM
AB doesn't restrict internet connections, its a remote desktop client with some features like key logging, web history (they can view that anyway with SINA) and plenty of other stuff. the reason they won't let us have mobile data because "it bypasses all restrictions and student management software we have in place" basically they can't see what we do, they cant control what we do and they can't cope with the idea of a student looking at something under the category "Humor" (another blocked category) for netbooks its an absolute pain, one of my friends has one. AB runs 2x processes @ 2500-3700kb each in idle, if yuo end the process the sucker comes back again

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 09:57 AM
why don't you find software that will kill the process? their is stuff out there

SolMiester
04-06-2010, 12:38 PM
AB doesn't restrict internet connections, its a remote desktop client with some features like key logging, web history (they can view that anyway with SINA) and plenty of other stuff. the reason they won't let us have mobile data because "it bypasses all restrictions and student management software we have in place" basically they can't see what we do, they cant control what we do and they can't cope with the idea of a student looking at something under the category "Humor" (another blocked category) for netbooks its an absolute pain, one of my friends has one. AB runs 2x processes @ 2500-3700kb each in idle, if yuo end the process the sucker comes back again

Are you 12?.......Its already been stated, they have controls for a reason, nothing to do with not coping!...You are lucky to have such access period! Get over it already

Gobe1
04-06-2010, 12:40 PM
sorry i just think they have gone too far. not all teenagers are bad. im 14, my room is clean and tidy, i behave, i get good grades at school. why is their such a bad image of teenagers. why are the good teenagers always being punnished. damn

Unfortunatley you will learn one day that the minority has the power in NZ. it only takes one person to **** it up for everyone else. Not much you can do about it but bend over and take it up the tailpipe.

The error guy: Just wait until you are in the workforce and you are not allowed to browse youtube or facebook, because they say so. If you are using their equipment then they make the rules end of story. Consider your self in training

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 12:41 PM
i wish the bastards would behave

Gobe1
04-06-2010, 12:44 PM
Dont worry as an oldie "so do i"

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 12:47 PM
im 14 and i agree. i behave i get good grades. why shold i suffer because of those bastards

Agent_24
04-06-2010, 12:57 PM
Tell them you won't let them install AB Tutor on your PC until you can install it on theirs so your parents can watch them to make sure they aren't secretly looking at pictures of you or something dodgy.

Several teachers etc at schools have been caught doing that sort of thing, why should you take any risks that they aren't doing it? You have a right to monitor them!

That might sound ridiculous to some people, but wouldn't you want to know if that was happening?

:lol:

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 02:01 PM
i agree, tell them to install it on their's. you have every right

The Error Guy
04-06-2010, 07:06 PM
Are you 12?.......Its already been stated, they have controls for a reason, nothing to do with not coping!...You are lucky to have such access period! Get over it already

Ok, no i'm not 12 and i'm starting to get sick of people telling me to get over it. I understand perfectly that they have controls for a reason and yes most of them ARE acceptable however the actual question I am asking is mostly regarding AB control (we established this about 30 posts ago) and the fact that perfectly harmless sites are blocked for what most of the student body deems as excessive (also established 30 posts ago) so try to read the rest of the statements regarding the fact that yes, the controls are good, yes we think they may be excessive in places, no I am not 12 ("I" am a "we" in this situation as I am speaking on behalf of 5th 6th and 7th form)

Erayd
04-06-2010, 07:40 PM
You have every rightErm.... no. He doesn't.

The Error Guy
04-06-2010, 08:55 PM
I don't have every right to tell someone not to install an item of software that gathers information about my usage including keystrokes on my personal computer?

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 09:15 PM
thats invasion of privacy

Erayd
04-06-2010, 09:41 PM
I don't have every right to tell someone not to install an item of software that gathers information about my usage including keystrokes on my personal computer?
Nah, I meant you don't have any right to insist they they install it on their own systems, as goodiesguy suggested.

piersdad
04-06-2010, 09:49 PM
its to stop you playing computor games and not working on useful things
you dont need to access any thing but tech stuff at school and definitely not to bring un authorized stuff to the school computors.
just imagine if a load of interesting porn was loaded on the school computors

goodiesguy
04-06-2010, 09:49 PM
fair enough but he shoulnt have to put it on his system. thats privacy invasion

Agent_24
04-06-2010, 10:16 PM
Nah, I meant you don't have any right to insist they they install it on their own systems, as goodiesguy suggested.

Why not? Who knows what they get up to with the information they may collect, you should be allowed to see what they're doing with it, it is after all, YOUR information.


its to stop you playing computor games and not working on useful things
you dont need to access any thing but tech stuff at school and definitely not to bring un authorized stuff to the school computors.
just imagine if a load of interesting porn was loaded on the school computors

Even if it's a boarding school I'm sure they're not being taught 24\7, and there is time when they could play games etc, and certainly shouldn't be banned from using PressF1 - on their own computers!

Twelvevolts
04-06-2010, 10:25 PM
Recently my school has decided that all boarders MUST have AB Tutor Control installed on their laptops. If you don't let them install it the school will confiscate the laptop until you next go home and you are not allowed to bring it to school.

they also block countless websites by category and give no clear reason (forums, bulletins boards. education, humor, entertainment ect) I can only just accept this because we are using their internet connection so they can do what they want with it but they have recently banned T-sticks so we now have no alternative, fascist censored connection or nothing.

I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit extreme or unethical of the school?

You'd have to be a school boy not to know how to circumvent that. Oh that's right - you are.

Twelvevolts
04-06-2010, 10:27 PM
Even if it's a boarding school I'm sure they're not being taught 24\7, and there is time when they could play games etc, and certainly shouldn't be banned from using PressF1 - on their own computers!

I hope they're banned from really dangerous places like the dairy. They have more porn in those places these days than milk. :confused:

The Error Guy
04-06-2010, 11:03 PM
Oh it don't stop us playing games, the school network can't cope with anything above the original DOS quake running over the LAN so we have a nice ad-hoc LAN set up (ping 30~80m/s) and they cant see you unless you are connected to the LAN anyway so its actually a waste of time.

@twelvevolts, its quite easy to bypass most of the stuff the school has in place its just an inconvenience to run an SSH from my file server at home to the school and it chews up the bandwith and gives high latency

--Wolf--
05-06-2010, 12:44 AM
Interesting thread.

If I mention the word porn here on the forums have I just ruined any chance of them unblocking this site for you?

But I'm kind of in the middle - I can see where the school is coming from and I can see where you're coming from. I'm not gonna say man up and accept the rules and stop crying (WE ARE NOT IN THE 60's ANYMORE)[besides there is a lot worse a kid nowdays can be doing at school than going on forums - bunking, smoking pot on the field, stabbing teachers etc] but I can see they're just trying to cover their own asses.

Meh

Twelvevolts
05-06-2010, 12:56 AM
@twelvevolts, its quite easy to bypass most of the stuff the school has in place its just an inconvenience to run an SSH from my file server at home to the school and it chews up the bandwith and gives high latency

Good to see you're getting an education.

The Error Guy
05-06-2010, 09:59 AM
Wolf = Neutral Ground

Nah, your all good with saying that, I won't be showing this thread to the school because i've probably said to much about how it fails

(Violation of Section 34C Sub Sect D)

No student may be in possession of and/or be associated with and material that shows the school to be a failure in any way. Violation of this will be dealt with by the headmaster and a significant array of nuclear ordinance.

fnphoto
05-06-2010, 11:08 AM
Oh it don't stop us playing games, the school network can't cope with anything above the original DOS quake running over the LAN so we have a nice ad-hoc LAN set up (ping 30~80m/s) and they cant see you unless you are connected to the LAN anyway so its actually a waste of time.

Just goes to show you can't be trusted to stick to the rules!
Just suck it in concentrate on real schoolwork & access those banned sites & games when you get home and have your homework finished.

Erayd
05-06-2010, 11:36 AM
Just goes to show you can't be trusted to stick to the rules!
Just suck it in concentrate on real schoolwork & access those banned sites & games when you get home and have your homework finished.
He's a boarding student, so school *is* home. I think that was the entire basis for his complaint...

legod
05-06-2010, 12:47 PM
Just be grateful that you have any internet access at all.

When you get older, you'll probably end up with an office job and you'll have to spend 40 hours a week in front of a computer whether you like it or not.

I suggest you go outside and kick a ball around, chase the girls or play conkers. That's what school kids should be doing. Not wasting your life on facebook.

:punk

goodiesguy
05-06-2010, 01:09 PM
chasing girls? wouldn't people start calling him Benny Hill?

The Error Guy
05-06-2010, 01:39 PM
@fnphoto, too bad a live at school (key point i'm a boarder)

prefect
05-06-2010, 01:52 PM
Just be grateful that you have any internet access at all.

When you get older, you'll probably end up with an office job and you'll have to spend 40 hours a week in front of a computer whether you like it or not.

I suggest you go outside and kick a ball around, chase the girls or play conkers. That's what school kids should be doing. Not wasting your life on facebook.

:punk

Man you are psychic I was thinking the same thing.,
You are only young once dont waste your youth behind a screen.

goodiesguy
05-06-2010, 02:17 PM
@The Error Guy: why would you live at school. i'd be as far away from a school as can be