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goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 05:44 PM
i think this is why the games are playing up. i mite get rid of the ati control panel. my dad dont have it and his pc works fine. i think the ati software is the problem. im gonna get the standalone driver

Chilling_Silence
25-05-2010, 06:17 PM
Why not just get the latest version?

There's a good chance it's *not* the cause of your games playing up, but rather, something else.

What A/V are you using? When did you last do a full scan?
Have you got Malwarebytes?
What else is launching when you turn your PC on?

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 06:32 PM
i'll give you a list of the processes that boot up. i curently have the side cover off to check if anythings over heating. no everything is pretty cool in there.

Here's The HijackThis Log:

Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 5:31:18 p.m., on 25/05/2010
Platform: Windows XP SP3 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v8.00 SP3 (8.00.6001.18702)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
D:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
D:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
D:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast5\AvastSvc.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
D:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
D:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe
D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Search Enhancement Pack\SeaPort\SeaPort.exe
D:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast5\avastUI.exe
D:\WINDOWS\SOUNDMAN.EXE
D:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\MOM.exe
D:\Program Files\Unlocker\UnlockerAssistant.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\taskswitch.exe
D:\Program Files\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
D:\Program Files\uTorrent\uTorrent.exe
D:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\ccc.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
D:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\mspaint.exe
D:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
D:\Program Files\Trend Micro\HijackThis\HijackThis.exe

R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {5C255C8A-E604-49b4-9D64-90988571CECB} - (no file)
O2 - BHO: Search Helper - {6EBF7485-159F-4bff-A14F-B9E3AAC4465B} - D:\Program Files\Microsoft\Search Enhancement Pack\Search Helper\SearchHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Windows Live Sign-in Helper - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - D:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - D:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: Windows Live Toolbar Helper - {E15A8DC0-8516-42A1-81EA-DC94EC1ACF10} - D:\Program Files\Windows Live\Toolbar\wltcore.dll
O2 - BHO: JQSIEStartDetectorImpl - {E7E6F031-17CE-4C07-BC86-EABFE594F69C} - D:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\deploy\jqs\ie\jqs_plugin.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Windows Live Toolbar - {21FA44EF-376D-4D53-9B0F-8A89D3229068} - D:\Program Files\Windows Live\Toolbar\wltcore.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast5] D:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast5\avastUI.exe /nogui
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SoundMan] SOUNDMAN.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] "D:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe" MSRun
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WinDVRCtrl] D:\WINDOWS\WDVRCtrl.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ScanRegistry] D:\W
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UnlockerAssistant] "D:\Program Files\Unlocker\UnlockerAssistant.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CoolSwitch] D:\WINDOWS\system32\taskswitch.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "D:\Program Files\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] D:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [uTorrent] "D:\Program Files\uTorrent\uTorrent.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [msnmsgr] "D:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger\msnmsgr.exe" /background
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] D:\WINDOWS\system32\CTFMON.EXE (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] D:\WINDOWS\system32\CTFMON.EXE (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] D:\WINDOWS\system32\CTFMON.EXE (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] D:\WINDOWS\system32\CTFMON.EXE (User 'Default user')
O9 - Extra button: Blog This - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - D:\Program Files\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: &Blog This in Windows Live Writer - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - D:\Program Files\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - D:\WINDOWS\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: @xpsp3res.dll,-20001 - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - D:\WINDOWS\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - D:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - D:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O20 - Winlogon Notify: Antiwpa - D:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\antiwpa.dll
O23 - Service: Ati HotKey Poller - ATI Technologies Inc. - D:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
O23 - Service: ATI Smart - Unknown owner - D:\WINDOWS\system32\ati2sgag.exe
O23 - Service: avast! Antivirus - ALWIL Software - D:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast5\AvastSvc.exe
O23 - Service: avast! Mail Scanner - ALWIL Software - D:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast5\AvastSvc.exe
O23 - Service: avast! Web Scanner - ALWIL Software - D:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast5\AvastSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Java Quick Starter (JavaQuickStarterService) - Sun Microsystems, Inc. - D:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe

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End of file - 5384 bytes

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 06:33 PM
and i use avast 5

Speedy Gonzales
25-05-2010, 09:05 PM
Youre using a cracked version of XP?? That wont help

You can tick these then tick fix checked

Close browsers

O2 - BHO: (no name) - {5C255C8A-E604-49b4-9D64-90988571CECB} - (no file)'

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ScanRegistry] D:\W

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UnlockerAssistant] "D:\Program Files\Unlocker\UnlockerAssistant.exe"

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "D:\Program Files\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe"

O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [uTorrent] "D:\Program Files\uTorrent\uTorrent.exe"

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 09:14 PM
i didn't want to go through the process of activating it. so yeah i used a crack. the key and cd are all genuine. thats the only exception, but i really don't think people are activating xp these days?

anyways, your help is really helping. gta san andreas is working fine under windows 98 compatibility mode. these ideas are all helping to fix my pc as a whole. thank you

Battleneter2
25-05-2010, 09:42 PM
Way to start a second thread.
http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/showthread.php?t=109790

On the up side its only taken two threads to establish you have a ATI (Something) video card, well that and you are running XP SP3

Still no full system specs, lets just keep the random guessing going :waughh:

wainuitech
25-05-2010, 09:44 PM
but i really don't think people are activating xp these days? Get real -- the only ones who aren't are the ones that are pirating it, or some other illegal operation.

the key and cd are all genuine So activate it. The comment you are using a crack to avoid activating it has as many holes in it as a sieve :groan: Esp since you have been warned countless times and banned a couple re pirating on these forums.

Battleneter2
25-05-2010, 09:46 PM
Its his floppy drive earthing out on the side of his 386 DX40 case, seen it before!.

Illegal Windows is a side issue

KarameaDave
25-05-2010, 09:58 PM
Its his floppy drive earthing out on the side of his 386 DX40 case, seen it before!.

Illegal Windows is a side issue

:lol::lol::lol:

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 10:35 PM
im not pirating, and im not starting this argument again. look around on some of the other threads i've posted on to find my full system specs

Sweep
25-05-2010, 10:40 PM
im not pirating, and im not starting this argument again. look around on some of the other threads i've posted on to find my full system specs

Why not just post the specs to save time for those willing to help?

Or is it that you could care less about those people and their time?

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 10:50 PM
i will post the specs, i care that these people are helping me. my specs will be in the next post. i will copy and paste from the topic i posted them in

GameJunkie
25-05-2010, 10:53 PM
you could've put them in that post you just made...

wainuitech
25-05-2010, 10:53 PM
im not pirating, and im not starting this argument again. look around on some of the other threads i've posted on to find my full system specs Maybe yes, maybe no --But when anyone side steps the requests, as in wont post whats asked so we can help, and no one would ask to post personal details, that brings on suspicion (going by past events)

It seems the same comment was made at the start of this quote a short while back in another thread, and shortly after the thread closed by a mod and temp ban.

Ever heard of the expression once bitten twice shy ?

Seems to me there's no need not to activate the OS if it is legit.

Seen it hundreds of times, that cracks or some other way to bypass activation can cause all sorts of " weird / Strange" problems.

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 10:54 PM
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1.9ghz
KMD-400 M2 motherboard
ATI radeon 9600 128mb video card
lifeview 3000 tv/fm tuner card
firewire card
xp pro 32 bit sp3
768mb ddr 400 ram (1x 512, 1x 256)

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 10:55 PM
i'll activate it properly then

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 11:00 PM
im also being up front and honest. i aint hiding anything. i know piracy is bad. but hey, im being honest. at least i dont deny it. and my xp is genuine just to remind you. if you wont proof i can take a pic

wainuitech
25-05-2010, 11:39 PM
No need to post pictures.

Just reading back over a couple of threads - this PC seems to have ongoing problems.

Since the threads are so spread out -- What power Supply is in this Machine.

goodiesguy
25-05-2010, 11:54 PM
it is a bit loud when i first turn it on but then the noise from psu quiets down.

um let me see its:

icute pentium 4 support model atx-320w/p4

and its 320w

Speedy Gonzales
26-05-2010, 03:30 AM
Get a better PSU

Agent_24
26-05-2010, 04:07 AM
it is a bit loud when i first turn it on but then the noise from psu quiets down.

um let me see its:

icute pentium 4 support model atx-320w/p4

and its 320w

Bad PSU with dying fan, not the best combination if you want a stable system.

Get a decent PSU first then see what happens...

Eg: Enermax, Corsair, Seasonic, etc etc not cheap rubbish like Hyena

Battleneter2
26-05-2010, 09:28 AM
Goodiesguy

I am not a big fan on Speedfan, it seems to throw some fairly wild readings on certain chipsets. As you can see your voltage readings are all over the place.

I would check the Voltage readings in your bios just in case the readings are correct.

Icute power supplies are not the best and that one I am guessing is around 5 years old. You could just replace the fan but I would replace the whole PSU, its got to be very close to the end of its life anyway.


FYI you can past your system specs into your signature, not so common in this forum but very handy if you cant be bothered retyping them.

goodiesguy
26-05-2010, 09:31 AM
how much is a new psu? and the psu is 6yrs old

Agent_24
26-05-2010, 12:02 PM
I would check the Voltage readings in your bios just in case the readings are correct.

Icute power supplies are not the best and that one I am guessing is around 5 years old. You could just replace the fan but I would replace the whole PSU, its got to be very close to the end of its life anyway.

If those voltages were correct his PC would not be starting at all. Never mind the out of spec negative rails, his 3.3 and 12v rails are apparently non-existant.


how much is a new psu? and the psu is 6yrs old

I would be surprised if the problem wasn't the PSU - iCute is not a terribly awesome brand and 6 years is a long time for the cheap capacitors that would be in it.

Sounds like a classic case of faulty capacitors (maybe helped by the dodgy fan) = bad ripple supression = outputs of PSU full of noise and ripple.

Get a decent PSU and your system may magically work again. That's unless the PSU has damaged the capacitors on your motherboard and video causing the same problem there as well....

I recommend you get this PSU: http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=344723

If you really need to go cheaper, try a Thermaltake or High Power (check the list here: http://pricespy.co.nz/category.php?k=436&o=produkt_pris_inkmoms#prodlista)

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 05:56 PM
my science teacher, who saids he knows lots about computers and that macs are better suggeseted i get a Coolermaster or something power supply. he said they were good. anyways he said that i should just get a new pc and ditch this one. thats what im doing slowly. im gonna replace parts one by one

wainuitech
27-05-2010, 06:18 PM
my science teacher, who saids he knows lots about computers :lol: :lol: Change science teacher to Mate, friend, Son, father, the dog next door ( get the idea) Have heard that hundreds of times -- generally means they know enough to get into trouble, and have no idea how to fix it.

Example:
anyways he said that i should just get a new pc and ditch this one. So you throw away a possible perfectly working PC for the sake of one small problem :rolleyes:

Would you throw away good clothes simply because you got a little spot of dirt on them ?

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 06:28 PM
he said that windows has only just caught up with what mac os x could do 5 yrs ago. i tried to defend windows but i lost. he is a dick, he's selling his gaming pc on trade me cos his game that use some "Valve Engine" will now play on his mac laptop. he said that no one has 6yr old pcs (the age of mine) and that its too old. i am gonna get a new psu. and eventually i want to get a new motherboard with 4 ram slots instead of 2.

i really don't think my specs are that old. they are abit on the miminal size but it still does most things that you can do today. so im happy.

he laughed at the size of my video card. wtf?, i've seen brand new laptops at dick smith which have 128mb video cards

Chilling_Silence
27-05-2010, 06:47 PM
Some people are idiots, and have more dollars than sense (cents).

You don't *have* to have the latest and greatest, and personally if I was you, I'd ignore everything that he says and take it as bias...

In the mean time, fix up your current PC and prove him wrong. Actions speak louder than words!

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 06:53 PM
thanks chilling, i've never liked him since we had an argument last term. the pc's were loading slow then it showed up during the login bit "setting up Symantec Antivirus". i was like "no wonder these are slow, it has nortons on it". the science teacher was like "Symantec is the best and safest antivirus their is, they have special keys so it cant be pirated....your probably using avg or avast" i was like "im using avast" he was like "avast is ****, i just took it off my pc".

and i like my pc. i am gonna upgrade it one component by one tho as i want it to be more capable.

and he said something today as well like "you try and make a pc laptop equivilent to apple mac, that has the size parts, the same weight, the same diameter. its impossible, you cant do it, you would have to make the parts yourself, macs are better than pc's, the only reason you like pc's is because windows is more common"

wainuitech
27-05-2010, 07:11 PM
As Chill said, dont listen to him. As I Tell my customers if they ask " if the PC is doing what you want, no need to change it."

Since you mentioned you are going to upgrade the other parts later - Just think ahead a bit as well.

When you get a New Power Supply, its better to spend a bit extra NOW and get one that will handle any upgrades in the future, (higher wattage) then spend less and only have to upgrade it again later.

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 07:21 PM
i currently have a 320W one. will my motherboard be copatible with a bigger size one?

i'm not listening to my science teacher but he said something about 500W ones are over priced **** or something.anyways i aint listen 2 him

Speedy Gonzales
27-05-2010, 07:26 PM
A 400 - 460W should be enough. You dont have to go overboard

Agent_24
27-05-2010, 08:16 PM
i currently have a 320W one. will my motherboard be copatible with a bigger size one?

i'm not listening to my science teacher but he said something about 500W ones are over priced **** or something.anyways i aint listen 2 him

Your board would work with even a 1500 watt PSU.

The PSU only supplies what the PC asks for, nothing more (although using a 1500 Watt PSU in your case would be silly, it would be running at such low load the efficiency would be rubbish etc)

As I said before, the Corsair 400CX http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=344723 should do great.

If you need something cheaper, check the PSU list here: http://pricespy.co.nz/category.php?k=436&o=produkt_pris_inkmoms#prodlista and buy a Thermaltake or High Power (I would really recommend the Corsair though)

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 08:23 PM
yeah i think i'll get the corsair. i'm gotta save up first, which shoud'nt be to hard. anyways how do i get it? we don't have a credit card, do we go into some place like PB technologies at get one there?

Sweep
27-05-2010, 08:27 PM
yeah i think i'll get the corsair. i'm gotta save up first, which shoud'nt be to hard. anyways how do i get it? we don't have a credit card, do we go into some place like PB technologies at get one there?

Do you have Internet banking and if so you can send money that way if the shop will allow this.

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 08:30 PM
yeah we have internet banking. it'll take a while for me to save up. but i'll save up. i'll do extra jobs round the house too, that'll earn me money. i need to look for a job

Sweep
27-05-2010, 08:34 PM
Ascent allows you to send the cash via internet banking and they courier the goods freight free.

There also may be other online shops that do the same.

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 08:41 PM
thanks for all this help. when its time to get the power supply i will use this as a reference.

where is the fan on the corsair? i've seen utube vids with very similar almost identical psu's and the fan is on the bottom on them. is this so for the corsair? my current psu has the normal one out the back with a gold grill, and one on the botton with a gold grill (which is the one making the noise and the one thats the issue)

wainuitech
27-05-2010, 08:42 PM
You can also get a Prezzy Card (http://www.nzpost.co.nz/Cultures/en-NZ/ProductsAndServices/P/PrezzyCard/AboutPrezzyCard.htm) - they work the same as a credit card for the amount you have on them.

On their site under the FAQ, #6 says how to use it shopping on line.

Got one for my birthday in Feb, just spent it on getting some tiling bits and bobs for the porch area. Got $4 left on it :lol: McDonald's any one :p

To answer your question -- Corsair power Supplies usually have one big 120MM fan on the bottom Like this one (http://www.corsair.com/products/hx850/850large.jpg) Also These ones (http://www.corsair.com/products/vx/default.aspx) are good. ( watch the videos) bottom one first :D

gary67
27-05-2010, 08:48 PM
You can also get a Prezzy Card (http://www.nzpost.co.nz/Cultures/en-NZ/ProductsAndServices/P/PrezzyCard/AboutPrezzyCard.htm) - they work the same as a credit card for the amount you have on them.

On their site under the FAQ, #6 says how to use it shopping on line.

Got one for my birthday in Feb, just spent it on getting some tiling bits and bobs for the porch area. Got $4 left on it :lol: McDonald's any one :p

Should get us a sundae each I prefer the chocolate one

KarameaDave
27-05-2010, 08:48 PM
Grout for a birthday present? Oh you extravagant fella!
:D

Sweep
27-05-2010, 08:52 PM
Should get us a sundae each I prefer the chocolate one

But it's Thursday today so therefore you are banned from getting a Sundae of any flavour.

gary67
27-05-2010, 09:04 PM
Never any day is sundae in my house

Agent_24
27-05-2010, 09:17 PM
yeah we have internet banking. it'll take a while for me to save up. but i'll save up. i'll do extra jobs round the house too, that'll earn me money. i need to look for a job

Internet banking is fine for 99.9% of shops. It would be advisable to buy it from a reputable shop though as some don't handle returns very well.

Sweep
27-05-2010, 09:22 PM
Never any day is sundae in my house

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8RPinFZQhk&feature=related

It's not all Greek to me.

HTH :dogeye:

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 09:36 PM
ain't i able to just go into pb technologies and get one there? that would be easier

KarameaDave
27-05-2010, 09:43 PM
Yeah, why not?

wainuitech
27-05-2010, 09:44 PM
If its easier doing it that way -- Shouldn't be a problem.

I'd call first to make sure they have the one you want. be a real bugger if you got there and they have to order it in.

goodiesguy
27-05-2010, 09:44 PM
i prefer to get things in a shop than off the internet.

gary67
27-05-2010, 09:55 PM
fair enough do as Wainui said though call to check they have the one you want

Sweep
28-05-2010, 12:06 AM
I thought you may have had trouble getting to the shop.

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 12:09 AM
joke or just ignorant? sorry i'm not sure, no offence

Sweep
28-05-2010, 12:17 AM
yeah i think i'll get the corsair. i'm gotta save up first, which shoud'nt be to hard. anyways how do i get it? we don't have a credit card, do we go into some place like PB technologies at get one there?

When you asked how do I get it I guess I didn't get it.

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 12:27 AM
oh ok

Agent_24
28-05-2010, 12:46 AM
http://pbtech.co.nz/index.php?item=PSUCOR0400 I would get it on backorder now so by the time you've got the money they've got the PSU.

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 12:13 PM
is the psu compatible with IDE hard drives aand ide dvd drives? i have 2 of each

Agent_24
28-05-2010, 12:17 PM
Yes it has 6 Molex and 6 SATA plugs, you'll have no problem there. It also supports 2 floppy drives as well

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 01:17 PM
nice. so i'll be able to power a video card when i get a new one which will probably need the power supply?

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 01:20 PM
That depends if the videocard has a power adapter. Not all videocards have 1

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 01:35 PM
ok

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 01:42 PM
so you guys are sure that its the psu thats the problem. what happens if it aint?

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 01:49 PM
hey guys. i have just found an "ISO Model No: ISO-450PP" 350W PSU in another pc of mine which was given to me but dosent boot. the psu is in good condition. should i try it? would it be copatible. it would do me untill i have the money

Agent_24
28-05-2010, 01:56 PM
nice. so i'll be able to power a video card when i get a new one which will probably need the power supply?

Depends on which graphics card you get. It won't be able to handle a GTX480 for example.
It does have a 6-Pin PCI-E Graphics card power plug so you don't necessarily need an adapter though.


so you guys are sure that its the psu thats the problem. what happens if it aint?

Can't really be sure without looking at it and testing it and examining the rest of your system. But since you have a cheap PSU which is 5 years old, it is likely that your PSU is a problem. It may not be the only problem though


hey guys. i have just found an "ISO Model No: ISO-450PP" 350W PSU in another pc of mine which was given to me but dosent boot. the psu is in good condition. should i try it? would it be copatible. it would do me untill i have the money

How do you know the PSU is in good condition if the PC doesn't boot?

If that ISO PSU is OK though and it stops your PC from crashing then you know you can safely buy the Corsair.

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 02:02 PM
yeah, i'll try it. the iso pcu is in near mint condition. looks as tho it hasent been used much. it has SATA support too, so it must'nt be that old

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 02:06 PM
You need something better than 320 or 350W for a P4 system.

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 02:08 PM
i don't know if i have pentium 4. it says pentium 4 support on the icute psu. i have AMD Athlon XP 2600+

Agent_24
28-05-2010, 02:10 PM
You have an AMD Athlon XP, it's not a Pentium 4.

What is the current (Ampere) rating of both PSUs on the 12v rail?

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 02:17 PM
um here's what i've found on the iso: Fuse Rating:5V,250V. i'm gonna take a picture of each, then you can see

Sweep
28-05-2010, 02:24 PM
um here's what i've found on the iso: Fuse Rating:5V,250V. i'm gonna take a picture of each, then you can see

Maybe the PC with the ISO PSU in it fails to boot because the PSU has a fault?

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 02:25 PM
no, i've had it booting. its a problem with the bios on that one. anyways will this work? i will type out all info in the next post

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 02:30 PM
ISO psu
AC Imput:230v,4a,47-63hz
DC output:+3.3V---20.0A(ORG) =5v---32.0a(RED) +12v---16.0A (YEL)
+5Vsb---2.0A(purp),-5V---0.5a(WHITE),-12V---0.5A(BLUE)
FUSE RATING:5A,250V- (+3.3V & +5V =200w max)
MAX. OUTPUT POWER: 350W,(+12V,+5V&3.3V TOTAL)

i will post the icute ones below

KarameaDave
28-05-2010, 02:34 PM
Try it and see...should work OK, from what you have said.
Take static precautions if handling the electronics.
http://www.kitchentablecomputers.com/static.php

Sweep
28-05-2010, 02:36 PM
You don't seem to get the point in so far as specs do not matter if there are bad capacitators or other faulty bits in the PSU.

We don't even know about what else may be wrong.

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 02:37 PM
ICUTE PSU:
ac- Imput: voltage: 115V - 230V -, Current: 7A 4A, Frequency: 50-60hz
DC --- imput: +3.3V, +5V, +12V,-5V etc...

these both match up

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 02:53 PM
its starting up fine. its so quiet, im used to the fan making a loud noise

KarameaDave
28-05-2010, 03:05 PM
Now, we wait and see if your issues have resolved themselves (PC ones of course:D).

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 03:07 PM
most have. still issues with grand theft auto. i think it could be my video card. its getting old (ATI RADEON 9600 128MB)

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 04:13 PM
http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/showthread.php?t=109935

Sweep
28-05-2010, 04:35 PM
http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/showthread.php?t=109935

About time you got a real Tech to solve the problem(s).

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 04:39 PM
+1

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 04:41 PM
i have a command promt. what is the file on my hard drive which is used to boot up. or a command

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 04:43 PM
Take it to someone who knows what theyre doing. Before you kill it completely

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 04:45 PM
that'll cost me money, which i don't have

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 04:48 PM
Will it boot into safe mode?

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 04:55 PM
it won't boot into anything, it boots of my msdos start up disk, which also has the bios flash utility. i don't know the name of my bios. anyways i'm gonna put the icute psu back in, maybe that'll help. if not i'll shove my hard drives in another pc for now

Sweep
28-05-2010, 05:00 PM
it won't boot into anything, it boots of my msdos start up disk, which also has the bios flash utility. i don't know the name of my bios. anyways i'm gonna put the icute psu back in, maybe that'll help. if not i'll shove my hard drives in another pc for now

Why is putting the iCUTE PSU back going to help?

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:04 PM
because it booted with that psu, and whenever i had this problem with when the icute was plugged in, i just powered of, and turned back on and it was fine

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:06 PM
boots fine off the icute. iso power supply is dogey

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:08 PM
just as i wrote that above coment, BIOS ROM CHECKSUM ERROR

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:09 PM
i don't have the money to fix it. i need this pc working. im not going to use an old laptop with only 16mb video card. thats just ****

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 05:13 PM
Since you've got the file to flash the BIOS, WHAT BIOS (if you've got it), did you download?? Since there's 2 revisions of this mobo (1, and 3)

Does this have SATA onboard? Since one has SATA, the other doesnt. I think the mobo is a KM-400 M2 (An ECS mobo), not KMD-400 M2

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:17 PM
no it dosent have sata onboard and it is KM-400 M2 (An ECS mobo)

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 05:22 PM
Yup, so its a revision 1 mobo.

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:23 PM
the flash utility off the disk which i booted off the floppy asks for a file name. i'll find the picture on the net to show you

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:24 PM
http://www.ecs.com.tw/extra/flashutl/images/award5-1.jpg this is what i get shown. what do i type in?

Speedy Gonzales
28-05-2010, 05:29 PM
You need the BIOS update, which is here (http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail.aspx?CategoryID=1&DetailID=365&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=24&LanID=0). Click on downloads / BIOS. Thats if the revision of the mobo is rev 1.0. But you better open the case and make sure its got rev 1.0 written on the mobo somewhere

Go into the BIOS and see what version of the BIOS is on it now

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:34 PM
its running 1.0A

goodiesguy
28-05-2010, 05:56 PM
looks like i need a reinstall of windows. i pressed "start windows normally" and it just stays blank and the monitors go into standby mode. i'll try safe mode soon

Agent_24
28-05-2010, 08:31 PM
Can you borrow a known good PSU from anyone?

wainuitech
28-05-2010, 08:54 PM
i don't have the money to fix it. i need this pc working. Just keep in mind, that playing about with a BIOS esp if you have no idea what you are doing can be dangerous, do it wrong, or the wrong BIOS and you have basically killed the board. Sure people here try to help, but remember we cant see what you can.


With ECS Boards of that age, they are VERY prone to failing, in fact to have one that old is actually lucky. Most will fail long before that.

Also keep in mind, that playing about with faulty power Supplies often will do more damage, if it fails completely, or some internal part fails, you can put 240Volts through 12 & 5 Volt components -- Meaning instant POOF - every thing fried. (seen it happen several times).

Chikara
28-05-2010, 10:01 PM
my science teacher, who saids he knows lots about computers and that macs are better suggeseted i get a Coolermaster or something power supply. he said they were good. anyways he said that i should just get a new pc and ditch this one. thats what im doing slowly. im gonna replace parts one by one

You sure he's not your English teacher? Would explain a lot :clap