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SolMiester
19-04-2010, 11:58 AM
Looks for a small box with room for at least 2-3 drives, doesnt have to be powerful. Want to install WHS on it...
Suggestions

nedkelly
19-04-2010, 12:09 PM
How about the HP Mediasmart server?

wainuitech
19-04-2010, 12:11 PM
One suggestion Already made up (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=380045) ready to go-- and change from 1K add in another Hdd if you want.

Other wise specs -- any lower end CPU - 5300 would be more than enough - 1GB RAM - Basic Motherboard Onboard graphics (not needed anyway) - Case Something like this (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=378819) or This (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=381200)

SolMiester
19-04-2010, 12:29 PM
One suggestion Already made up (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=380045) ready to go-- and change from 1K add in another Hdd if you want.

Other wise specs -- any lower end CPU - 5300 would be more than enough - 1GB RAM - Basic Motherboard Onboard graphics (not needed anyway) - Case Something like this (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=378819) or This (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=381200)
I'd seen that H340 before but for some reason thought the O/S was a Linux WHS....however, it looks great....might get a 2nd disk...cheers

Chilling_Silence
19-04-2010, 01:25 PM
I'm a fan of the Dual-Core Atom systems such as the D510MO and D945GCLF2. Perhaps custom-building one of those with a nice case might be an idea? You'd be surprised just how cheap you can build 'em :D

SolMiester
19-04-2010, 01:34 PM
Not sure if a dual core is required really!...simply file sharing, print services, backup solution and maybe some streaming!

SolMiester
19-04-2010, 03:40 PM
Hey, any WHS users?, does WHS backup user data when backing up pc's, or just the O/S and Apps?

wratterus
19-04-2010, 04:03 PM
I'm watching this thread closely, looking at an Acer Easystore myself. Have no experience with WHS yet.

wainuitech
19-04-2010, 04:22 PM
Hey, any WHS users?, does WHS backup user data when backing up pc's, or just the O/S and Apps?You have the Connector software installed on the PC's. When you start up the PC you have to log in as per a normal server.

When WHS does a backup, it backs up the COMPLETE HDD, everything, programs, apps, documents, ( bugs if you have any) :p That way if you need to do a complete restore, Eg: HDD failure - you drop in the remote recovery CD, and it puts everything back as it was at the time of the backup you select. ( OS/ programs/ Data) See Pictures Below.

Basically the most you would lose is any data from between the last backup time to when it failed.

You can if you want go into the backups on WHS and extract out any single documents etc if required (say you deleted one by mistake) .

The first backup always takes the longest, then daily it backups any changes that have been made, so if you have only changed / created a few documents it adds / removes that to the original image. So this only takes a few minutes - it checks what was there, and now whats changed and does its thing automatically.

Taking a look at one of the WHS's I have - Mine (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/WHS1.jpg) - the backup takes 95GB - Thats backing up 7 PC's - Time to dump some of the backups (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/Backups1271650869.jpg) :blush: Then add in another HDD me thinks :rolleyes:

pkm
19-04-2010, 05:24 PM
After working in a business and dealing with HP DC7100s,7600s and 7700s im quite pleased with them.

They are cheap second hand too ex lease , some on TM $225 - Pentium 4 3.0ghz etc. The form factor is pretty much as tiny as you can get for matx.

Easy to work on,power supplies good. Fit 2 sata drives(just) or 3 if you remove the DVD drive.

An atom based system ive always thought about too, but the value for money isnt quite as good as these types of multi use systems.

pkm
19-04-2010, 05:26 PM
...

You can if you want go into the backups on WHS and extract out any single documents etc if required (say you deleted one by mistake) ....
Interesting, I like that idea. does it dump it into an image, when if required you can use their front end to explore the files inside it/

wainuitech
19-04-2010, 06:06 PM
Interesting, I like that idea. does it dump it into an image, when if required you can use their front end to explore the files inside it/ Not as an image as such - have a read of This article (http://www.davescomputertips.com/articles/server/how_do_backups_work_on_windows_home_server.php), esp the piece "What makes the WHS backup so special?" This is how WHS keeps the backups to a minimum.

Personally it has saved my backside several times - the other week a HDD on this PC crapped its self big time. <Insert a lot of foul words> :eek:

I installed a New HDD, run the backup from the previous night - fully back up and going around an hour, (almost - I was doing other stuff in the workshop as well) all programs data, apps the lot. All I lost was a couple of emails that came through after the backup.

As for the recovery of a single Doc -- Open the Connector software (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/Connector.jpg) its on each PC thats connected to WHS - Select your PC/ Backup (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/Backup1.jpg) click details Open (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/Backup2.jpg) - it Opens (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/Opening.jpg) - then select users/ Navigate (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/Folders.jpg) through the folders till you get to where you want - locate the file, right click copy and paste to your normal desktop -- Done.

hueybot3000
19-04-2010, 06:50 PM
I could say alot about WHS but I will only say good luck! Wainuitech might remember my headaches which resulted in lots of stuff gone/corrupt. I recommend you look at linux options

wainuitech
19-04-2010, 07:39 PM
Yes Huey, I remember the problems you had. There have been quite a few updates / Fixes since then as well. The complete content of WHS gets backed up to another PC as well (when I get around to it) :lol:

Not every OS goes well for everyone. Doesn't matter what it is someone is going to have problems where another person wont.

Nothing wrong with Linux either acting as a WHS - as long as you know what you are doing with it, and are prepared to install apps to do various tasks that don't come pre installed. (read auto backup of PC's and complete recovery) I have a linux OS as a backup server as well, its a secondary backup of all my important work stuff thats backed up daily, just in case WHS turns turtle for some reason. Better to be safe than sorry as the saying goes.

Chilling_Silence
19-04-2010, 10:16 PM
I like rsync, very nice for remote offsite backups :D

CYaBro
20-04-2010, 08:40 AM
Yea I just got a 1.5TB USB HDD to backup my WHS box.
I also got burnt when it was first released with data becoming corrupt but have been running it now for about 18 months and not had a problem since.

NZMacka
20-04-2010, 07:48 PM
I have been running a WHS for over 1 year and it has worked very well...except, one of my Seagate 1TB SATA HDD's failed (they were new early 2009) and of course it had the WHS OS partition on it. Luckily I had a backup of the WHS on external HDD from which to restore all of the data lost and also had the WHS System discs to reinstall the OS. One thing I noticed was that even with file duplication turned on, not all of the data was on seperate drives....

I started again when I rebuilt the machine and it has worked well ever since. Seagate replaced the HDD under warrnaty - no problems.

WHS work well, my only advice would be that it is critical to backup the server to cover all eventualities.