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Aurealis_
04-03-2010, 12:42 PM
Kia Ora Tena Koto, Tena Koto, Haere Mai

I am 22 years old. I've almost completed my BA in Politics and Geography, I'm going to sit A+, CCNA, Network+ and MCAS/MOS this year and I'm trying to plan my future. I want to ask all of you as a collective for your perspectives; what do you think I should do - pursue a particular job or career path - continue to do more study in different areas - continue to study with more specialisation in existing areas (e.g go on to do honours/masters) - something else entirely: write a book, e.t.c ? These are just some of the options I have been considering.

For those of you who enjoy reading, here is some more background on me... I am very articulate, I love solving problems, helping and improving what's around me. I like to impress people with my abilities and I often lament that my age and inexperience mean people don't give me the responsibility and authority that I would like. I have ambitions to start my own business; I would like to own a cafe, a condiments production business, a travel website, and a business consulting service... so many ambitions but so little I can do to make them happen. Perhaps the biggest thing of all I want to achieve is to write a book. Here's to that.

What do you have to say to me?

Thanks everyone,
Logan.

nedkelly
04-03-2010, 12:43 PM
Just wondering where are you in NZ logan?

Aurealis_
04-03-2010, 01:16 PM
Just wondering where are you in NZ logan?

Wellington these days.

Battleneter2
04-03-2010, 01:37 PM
BA in Politics and Geography is utterly different from IT.

Are you sure you want a job in information Technology? is this where your passion truly is?

Figure out what you may be passionate about, is your first step.

Aurealis_
04-03-2010, 01:41 PM
BA in Politics and Geography is utterly different from IT.

Are you sure you want a job in information Technology? is this where your passion truly is?

Figure out what you may be passionate about, is your first step.


I'm not sure, no, but it's one of the things I'm good at - one of the things I understand most.

I'm passionate about almost everything -- there's not a lot that I haven't done and enjoyed; it's only ever working with unfriendly people that puts me off. I love learning and doing something new, having the breadth of understanding and experience is amazing and I will always seek that out. It's the main reason I did the BA rather than holding onto my IT knowledge and becoming hyper specialised.

lakewoodlady
04-03-2010, 02:06 PM
Should be tena koutu, tena koutu katoa

You sound quite young and full of ideas and ambitions, but you will have to learn to prioritize. Why not go for your Masters in the most favourite subject and persue an academic career?

LL

Aurealis_
04-03-2010, 02:19 PM
Should be tena koutu, tena koutu katoa

You sound quite young and full of ideas and ambitions, but you will have to learn to prioritize. Why not go for your Masters in the most favourite subject and persue an academic career?

LL

Oh, yeah, I missed the katoa - but it is koto rather than koutu isn't it? I did enrol for Te Reo once but I withdrew because of a timetable clash.

Put simply - I'm not interested in an academic career. I think that I am more active than one has the ability to be in academia. That is to say, that I don't want to comment on an issue - I want to be one making or breaking the issue. So, if I were to do any post-graduate study it would only be from the perspective of it advancing my interests in a subject.

I am full of ideas and ambitions, that's for sure. It is as much a burden as it is a blessing, for every idea that I have that people appreciate there are others that I have no chance to act on; I live with a constant sense of lost oppurtunity ;)

SolMiester
04-03-2010, 02:47 PM
Kia Ora Tena Koto, Tena Koto, Haere Mai

I am 22 years old. I've almost completed my BA in Politics and Geography, I'm going to sit A+, CCNA, Network+ and MCAS/MOS this year and I'm trying to plan my future. I want to ask all of you as a collective for your perspectives; what do you think I should do - pursue a particular job or career path - continue to do more study in different areas - continue to study with more specialisation in existing areas (e.g go on to do honours/masters) - something else entirely: write a book, e.t.c ? These are just some of the options I have been considering.

For those of you who enjoy reading, here is some more background on me... I am very articulate, I love solving problems, helping and improving what's around me. I like to impress people with my abilities and I often lament that my age and inexperience mean people don't give me the responsibility and authority that I would like. I have ambitions to start my own business; I would like to own a cafe, a condiments production business, a travel website, and a business consulting service... so many ambitions but so little I can do to make them happen. Perhaps the biggest thing of all I want to achieve is to write a book. Here's to that.

What do you have to say to me?

Thanks everyone,
Logan.

TRAVEL for a couple of years and get perspective of the whole world, not just NZ..

As for career, you may find your OE changes your views, however if IT interests you, I would concentrate on connectivity, virtualisation and web commerce.

pctek
04-03-2010, 02:56 PM
I am 22 years old. I've almost completed my BA in Politics and Geography, I'm going to sit A+, CCNA, Network+ and MCAS/MOS this year.

I like to impress people ; I would like to own a cafe, a condiments production business, a travel website, and a business consulting service... .

Can't see any of those courses being useful at all for cafes, condiments businesses or travel.

How about go travel for a bit first, then decide which of the businesses you want to do when you get back and forget IT altogether.

If you really were passionate about IT you wouldn't even be asking.

Sweep
04-03-2010, 03:56 PM
You sound like a perfect candidate as an advisor to a Govt minister so maybe become a civil servant.

lakewoodlady
04-03-2010, 04:14 PM
Oh, yeah, I missed the katoa - but it is koto rather than koutu isn't it? I did enrol for Te Reo once but I withdrew because of a timetable clash.



Lol, we were both wrong, it should be tena koutou katoa according to my Maori vocab book.

Any way good luck in whatever you choose.

Haere ra, LL :p:cool:

Aurealis_
04-03-2010, 08:53 PM
You sound like a perfect candidate as an advisor to a Govt minister so maybe become a civil servant.

Are you saying that cynically? o_O!

It's not that I lack passion for IT - more that I have found a lot of the IT work I've done in the past, and IT work that I've seen/heard others do hasn't sounded particularly engaging. The reason that I'm seeking to do the certifications I talked about in the first post is that it would be a means to an ends.

Though my ultimate goal is to start a business I can't conceivably do that without having worked for a while to save some startup capital. As such, I am working now and will continue working at least until the end of my degree with the hopes that I am well on the wayamount to having enough to meet startup costs by the end of that time. However, I'm not earning a high hourly rate at the moment (courtesy of my age, experience and qualifications) so I'm hoping to do what I can to raise my pay :)

Renmoo
04-03-2010, 09:06 PM
tena koutou katoa
That is right, from memory :)

Aurealis - Have you spoken to a career advisor yet?

pctek
05-03-2010, 07:16 AM
It's not that I lack passion for IT - I have found a lot of the IT work I've done and IT work that I've seen/heard others do hasn't sounded particularly engaging.

Yep.
You aren't into IT.
Do something else.

Billy T
05-03-2010, 11:14 AM
If you do something you truly love, you will never work another day for the rest of your life. Take up an occupation that doesn't engage you, and every week will feel like a lifetime.

I chose an occupational area that I truly loved and not only have I not done a days work since leaving school, I've also travelled the world at no cost thanks to that choice. There's not been one morning that I didn't wake up and look forward to what challenges the day might bring.

If you are as yet undecided about what you really want to do, either go out and sample a range of occupations, talk to people working in them, or do as pctek suggested and travel, that will help you realise what you want to do with your life.

It will also help you get your feet on the ground and your head out of the clouds as well, which will remove the moisture from behind your ears.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Sweep
05-03-2010, 11:36 AM
Are you saying that cynically? o_O!

It's not that I lack passion for IT - more that I have found a lot of the IT work I've done in the past, and IT work that I've seen/heard others do hasn't sounded particularly engaging. The reason that I'm seeking to do the certifications I talked about in the first post is that it would be a means to an ends.

Though my ultimate goal is to start a business I can't conceivably do that without having worked for a while to save some startup capital. As such, I am working now and will continue working at least until the end of my degree with the hopes that I am well on the wayamount to having enough to meet startup costs by the end of that time. However, I'm not earning a high hourly rate at the moment (courtesy of my age, experience and qualifications) so I'm hoping to do what I can to raise my pay :)

I was 100% serious. You can get paid serious money. You can move from Dept to Dept. You can get get transfers to other locations etc. You normally have an occupation for life.

Zippity
05-03-2010, 11:50 AM
New Zealand doesn't employ Civil Servants, but rather Public Servants :)

Aurealis_
05-03-2010, 12:24 PM
I was 100% serious. You can get paid serious money. You can move from Dept to Dept. You can get get transfers to other locations etc. You normally have an occupation for life.

Hmmm, perhaps. But where does one start? Apply for the low level positions that are going in council/govt now and work the way up?



Aurealis - Have you spoken to a career advisor yet?

No, I was planning to do that when the careers fair comes around at uni.


It will also help you get your feet on the ground and your head out of the clouds as well, which will remove the moisture from behind your ears.

My head isn't in the clouds. I know what my talents are, I know the effect I would have working in a company and I am confident of how good I am. Nothing is predetermined - there are plenty of people older than me whom you would find to make decisions with much less wisdom than myself. Although it is true that I am inexperienced one can't discount the power of an individual to learn and adapt.

Furthermore, one should remember that inexperience can often be detrimental as it leads people to believe that their method is 'correct' or 'proper' even when there are more efficient and intelligent means to do the same thing. What I'm saying is... that it's all well and good to say that I don't know what to do, but the counter to that is that I'm not bound to doing something only one way. ;)

Billy T
05-03-2010, 02:04 PM
Furthermore, one should remember that inexperience can often be detrimental as it leads people to believe that their method is 'correct' or 'proper' even when there are more efficient and intelligent means to do the same thing.

Did you really mean to say that???

I think you may have been meaning that past experience can often block initiative, along the lines of "we've always done it that way so there's no need to change."

However, if you did mean to say it then best you stay out of positions of responsibility for a while longer.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Aurealis_
05-03-2010, 02:42 PM
Did you really mean to say that???

I think you may have been meaning that past experience can often block initiative, along the lines of "we've always done it that way so there's no need to change."

However, if you did mean to say it then best you stay out of positions of responsibility for a while longer.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

I meant the former. I believe in leaving room for fresh approaches and in my experience the culture is often exactly as you said "this is the way we've always done it and therefore the way it will be done next time". I don't think that's an intelligent position to take but it's not my place to say.

However, it's not like it has been a problem at all for me - I am happy to accept the methods of my employer but I do think it is their sacrifice not to listen to new ideas ;) Know what I mean?

Thebananamonkey
05-03-2010, 04:26 PM
It doesn't feel like you're listening to anything anyone here has to say.

If you ask a question, you'd be best to listen to the answer. Otherwise don't ask.

PCTek's right. It doesn't sound like you'd like IT work at all.
Self assurance and confidence is one thing. Creepy self promotion is another.

Aurealis_
05-03-2010, 08:34 PM
It doesn't feel like you're listening to anything anyone here has to say.

If you ask a question, you'd be best to listen to the answer. Otherwise don't ask.

PCTek's right. It doesn't sound like you'd like IT work at all.
Self assurance and confidence is one thing. Creepy self promotion is another.

I'm listening. I'm giving my feedback too. I inherited the argumentative nature from my parents. It's not always a good thing. Often I don't recognise when it is/isn't. That's perhaps what you've seen in this thread.

You think I'm being too self-indulgent, in the way I've written this thread? It wouldn't surprise me... with praise comes arrogance.