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Billy T
28-01-2010, 04:15 PM
Hi Team

My son's i-River H320 MP3 player died of over-use (he's a Uni student muso) and application of the wrong charger, and not surprisingly, the importers service department diagnosed a fried motherboard. (Oh the impetuosity of youth, who know everything yet know nothing.)

Cost to repair was more than the price of a used replacement so we bought an as-new H340 (40GB HD) and now need to transfer the contents of the 20GB drive from the old player as most of it is music for his Uni studies and he ignored my regular nagging to back it up!

The drive is a Toshiba MK2006GAL, runs on 3.3.volts and has a 50-pin mini socket. Is there such a thing as a laptop HD adapter that will fit the socket and also supply the correct voltage from a USB outlet so that we can copy the data off? Failing that, can anybody recommend a service (preferably in Auckland) that would do it without charging an arm and a leg. It would probably fill 2-3 DVDs.

I could install it in my own H320 but I'm reluctant to play with that in case his old disk is faulty as I wouldn't be so lucky as he was in finding a replacement if mine got fried as well. Actually I found the replacement, but that's another story.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

CYaBro
28-01-2010, 05:14 PM
Are you sure the drive still works?
If the wrong voltage was applied to the old unit and fried the mainboard then chances are the HDD got fried as well.
That's my experience with these things anyway.

gary67
28-01-2010, 06:17 PM
Post a pic of the plug your after if you can, sometimes it's better to see what someone is after

pctek
28-01-2010, 06:42 PM
we bought an as-new H340 (40GB HD) and now need to transfer the contents of the 20GB drive from the old player )

Well I'd say all you could do is take the new one apart and connect the old drive, but it's probably dead anyway.

Billy T
28-01-2010, 07:42 PM
I'm hoping the HD may be ok, as it was failure to charge the battery that was the primary problem. It was booting up OK until the battery/internal power supply died. I think it is certainly worth investigating anyway as the data on the disk is important.

Images of the HDD and 50-pin (female) connector are attached. The disk is 7.8cm x 5.4 x .5 thick and the socket is 4cm long.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :thanks

gary67
28-01-2010, 08:27 PM
I'm guessing a laptop IDE doesn't fit then?

KarameaDave
28-01-2010, 09:15 PM
this is an adaptor for 1.8in to IDE
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4372
it should make what you want possible

feersumendjinn
28-01-2010, 09:19 PM
http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=HardDrivesOpticalDrives/1.8-inchHardDiskDrives/MK2006GAL
Appears to suit Ipods etc also, so maybe there are interface cables available.

Pin-outs in this PDF, and a contact for interface connectors
http://www.mtcusa.com/hdd/toshiba/mk2006gal.pdf

Found this
http://www.span.com/product_info.php?products_id=4267&osCsid=7p18un9of6je3q0sfsuknup604
(minimum order 10 tho :crying)

Billy T
28-01-2010, 10:16 PM
Thanks eveybody, the dealextreme adapter looks like it will be a goer if I need it.

I've also just remembered that a new laptop service specialist has opened up in my local shopping centre so I'll drop in and see if he/she can at least tell me if it goes, then I can decide whether or not to spend my son's money getting the data lifted off.

Watch this space.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Billy T
05-02-2010, 12:52 PM
Update Time: :illogical

Yesterday afternoon I went into the new shop with the HDD, the gutted MP3 player, and an Iomega 250GB USB hard drive to copy to.

Five techs were working industriously on laptops and there was a receptionist at the front desk so they seem to be well established. All were immigrants but all those I spoke to were pretty fluent in english so there were no language problems, however comprehension was sadly AWOL.

I explained that the mini-HDD came from the MP3 player and showed them the player. I said that the battery charging circuit died and that I didn't know if the HDD was still ok but there was no reason why it shouldn't be.

Then I asked three questions:

Can you check to see if this drive still works?

If it does, can you drag and drop the 4GB contents to this 250GB external drive?

How much $?

It was all downhill from there. The Toshiba hard drive caused much (loud) chatter that I couldn't understand of course, no criticism there, but they seemed to think that the Iomega drive was an MP3 player, despite the USB cable hanging out of it and the absence of any controls. After they shouted at each other and waved their arms for a while we seemed to get past that.

At one stage they seemed to think I wanted the Toshiba drive installed in the Iomega case but we got past that too.

Then they thought I wanted them to fix the MP3 player, so I said no, it is dead, and put it in my pocket to remove the distraction.

After 10 minutes I think we finally got to :check HDD >if ok >transfer data,
but where to and how remained unresolved. The only words of importance that I could follow were "60 dollars" and I am quite certain that not one of them really understood what I was asking them to do. In my view the potential risk to the disk contents was too great so I left.

I thought it was just me being obtuse with my request, but I went around the corner to another computer shop, operated by similar immigrants and asked the same questions. They understood completely at the first pass, but didn't have the IDE to 50-pin adapter with 5 volt to 3.3 volt reduction, and I was on my way in 2 minutes.

I would have thought that a laptop specialist would be able to check a mini laptop hard drive, but there you go! Looks like I'll have to buy my own adapter and do the job myself! I don't really think $60 would be a fair charge to connect up a hard drive and if it worked, plug in the Iomega and drag & drop the contents.

I would have accepted a $30 charge because it would have saved me a whole lot of bother, but there you go..........

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :confused::confused:

plod
05-02-2010, 05:50 PM
Update Time: :illogical

Yesterday afternoon I went into the new shop with the HDD, the gutted MP3 player, and an Iomega 250GB USB hard drive to copy to.

Five techs were working industriously on laptops and there was a receptionist at the front desk so they seem to be well established. All were immigrants but all those I spoke to were pretty fluent in english so there were no language problems, however comprehension was sadly AWOL.

I explained that the mini-HDD came from the MP3 player and showed them the player. I said that the battery charging circuit died and that I didn't know if the HDD was still ok but there was no reason why it shouldn't be.

Then I asked three questions:

Can you check to see if this drive still works?

If it does, can you drag and drop the 4GB contents to this 250GB external drive?

How much $?

It was all downhill from there. The Toshiba hard drive caused much (loud) chatter that I couldn't understand of course, no criticism there, but they seemed to think that the Iomega drive was an MP3 player, despite the USB cable hanging out of it and the absence of any controls. After they shouted at each other and waved their arms for a while we seemed to get past that.

At one stage they seemed to think I wanted the Toshiba drive installed in the Iomega case but we got past that too.

Then they thought I wanted them to fix the MP3 player, so I said no, it is dead, and put it in my pocket to remove the distraction.

After 10 minutes I think we finally got to :check HDD >if ok >transfer data,
but where to and how remained unresolved. The only words of importance that I could follow were "60 dollars" and I am quite certain that not one of them really understood what I was asking them to do. In my view the potential risk to the disk contents was too great so I left.

I thought it was just me being obtuse with my request, but I went around the corner to another computer shop, operated by similar immigrants and asked the same questions. They understood completely at the first pass, but didn't have the IDE to 50-pin adapter with 5 volt to 3.3 volt reduction, and I was on my way in 2 minutes.

I would have thought that a laptop specialist would be able to check a mini laptop hard drive, but there you go! Looks like I'll have to buy my own adapter and do the job myself! I don't really think $60 would be a fair charge to connect up a hard drive and if it worked, plug in the Iomega and drag & drop the contents.

I would have accepted a $30 charge because it would have saved me a whole lot of bother, but there you go..........

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :confused::confused:

these drives you speak about are not usually used in laptops, in fact I don't know of a single laptop that uses that size drive. I stand to be corrected.
Surely your son has all his music on a computer some where? 'Back up back up back up

Sweep
05-02-2010, 06:01 PM
I hope also that you checked their passports to ensure none were citizens or in fact born in NZ.

Billy T
06-02-2010, 01:48 PM
Surely your son has all his music on a computer some where? 'Back up back up back up

I chanted the back-up mantra to him so many times it wasn't funny but even after I persuaded him to buy the Iomega USB drive he still failed to make a backup. You can lead a horse to water etc etc.........

Conversely, everything on my MP3 is backed up twice.

I have ordered the adapter from the States for about $US3.50 with free shipping world wide. Yeah, I thought, on a US$3.49 sale???

I'll wait and see but all indicators on the site were yes, worldwide airmail.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Billy T
13-02-2010, 03:25 PM
Well, the adapter arrived in double quick time, airmail and all, despatched from Hong Kong.

The plug fits the drive OK but before I plug it into my external USB drive enclosure I have one question:

The ad said IDE to 1.8HDD adapter, but the web image showed ATA to 1.8 HDD and that is what has arrived. Is this compatible with a USB drive enclosure that currently holds an IDE disk and should it work, or do I risk stuffing the 1.8 HDD in some way? The adapter includes voltage regulation down to 3.3 volts so power supply is not a problem.

Son is champing at the bit to find out if his music is safe and I'll be under pressure to fire it up tomorrow!

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

gary67
13-02-2010, 05:01 PM
Serial ATA is SATA Parallel ATA is IDE

KarameaDave
13-02-2010, 05:10 PM
It may work in your enclosure, if it doesn't, open up your PC and connect it to an IDE connector in it.

linw
13-02-2010, 05:17 PM
You beat me to it, Karamea.

Go on, hook it up. We can't stand the tension!

Billy T
14-02-2010, 01:42 PM
Well, I hooked it up in the USB enclosure, the computer recognised a new USB device and went through the reboot thing after that, but no new USB drive appeared. :(

The 5 volt to 3.3 volt regulator was getting rather hot so I have stopped proceedings to put a heat-sink on it in case the drive is throwing a short onto the output. At this stage, with the drive removed, it is still providing 3.3 volts on its output.

I'll research the pin connections for the 1.8 drive tomorrow and see if there is a short there when cold, and if there is, that will be a definitive answer I'm afraid, otherwise I'll try again and see what I get.

Being Valentine's day, I am only allowed in my office or on the computer to do things that Mrs T wants. :xmouth:

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

linw
14-02-2010, 02:17 PM
Not really what we wanted to hear!! Good luck, anyway.

gary67
14-02-2010, 04:57 PM
Being Valentine's day, I am only allowed in my office or on the computer to do things that Mrs T wants.

SWMBO is sitting at the other computer next to me in the office :punk

Billy T
15-02-2010, 05:09 PM
Shock-Horror :eek: (Insert strong language of your choice here!!)

I have just found that the damned plug from the adapter into the HDD is not polarised!! I thought it was, because I tried it twice and it only seemed to fit one way. However, while playing around with it a few minutes ago I found that it will go in the other way around just as easily if you line it up carefully enough.

So how do I know which way is which? If I was wrong before, I've possibly stuffed it, but if I was right, turning it over will probably stuff it too. :confused:

I think that previously I installed it with the label side down because that seemed to be the only way it would go in. Now I have it label side up per photo below.

Any opinions welcome, including whether connection reversal
might have kumara'd the disk. :(

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Image below shows the new orientation!!

KarameaDave
15-02-2010, 05:30 PM
I don't really know, but as you say you may have stuffed it before.
However, you'll never know unless you try!

feersumendjinn
15-02-2010, 10:50 PM
Perhaps this'll help
http://www.mtcusa.com/hdd/toshiba/mk2006gal.pdf

Billy T
16-02-2010, 11:27 AM
Perhaps this'll help
http://www.mtcusa.com/hdd/toshiba/mk2006gal.pdf

Yes, it does thanks, it confirms that I had the drive the wrong way around, and counter-intuitively, the motor and logic supplies are on the opposite side of the adapter to the 3.3 volt regulator.

This means that I was putting 3.3 volts into pins 3 & 4 instead of 41 & 42. The former are designated as pins C & D on the jumper list and are for slave drive configuration. If that was a jumper instead of a logic connection then maybe the drive hasn't been fried by my mistake.

I don't know whether HDD jumpers connect to internal logic in the drive or externally to the computer but the drive enclosure is functioning OK with its original drive so maybe there's a chance I haven't done the mini-disk any further harm.

Opinions welcome, but about the drive only please, I have already looked in the mirror to see what kind of idiot I am...........:help:

Son seems remarkably relaxed still, especially after he found that, knowing his casual attitude to data protection, I had done a full backup of his MP3 player to my external storage drive some time back, which limits his losses a little.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Found this on the web:

Re: 2.5' Toshiba HDD Drive i have done a reverse connect on these with no damage

KarameaDave
16-02-2010, 11:37 AM
Well, don't keep us in suspenders.
Hook 'er up and tell us the news!
We are waiting with worms on our tongues.
(baited breath):D

Billy T
16-02-2010, 11:54 AM
Well, don't keep us in suspenders.
Hook 'er up and tell us the news!
We are waiting with worms on our tongues.
(baited breath):D

I'm hoping there is diode protection on the DD7/DD8 logic inputs, but since I don't want to cause collateral damage to my own system (the external drive enclosure) I'm going to wait and see if anybody here has knowledge of this. I don't trust a single comment on the web that might have been bullshlt.

I trust PF1'ers much more than I would random geeks on the net.

I'd also like to think that in electing to use a non-polarised connector, Toshiba would provide some protection against the inevitable reverse connection.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Billy T
22-04-2010, 11:58 AM
And the good news is.............

After getting my own computer problems out of the way, all of which coincidentally started when I was trying to recover this data, I returned to the i-River disk problem this morning and was pleased to find that reverse connection of the mini-disk adapter had not harmed the latter at all, despite the 5>3.3 volt regulator getting stinking hot. I then plugged in the HDD and found that it too had survived.

Not only that, but the disk was ok in the data sense as well and I was able to transfer all of his music off onto other media.

Nice to report a happy ending. :)

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Gobe1
22-04-2010, 12:07 PM
Well done !

KarameaDave
22-04-2010, 12:47 PM
Thanks for letting us know, a good result.

Son doing regular back-ups now?

Billy T
22-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Thanks for letting us know, a good result.

Son doing regular back-ups now?

Surely you jest? :lol:

At present he thinks I'm the equivalent of the Japanese Divine Wind or something, instead of the usual bag of hot air. I get tired of telling him 'I told you so".

Which reminds me, once I get my autorun issue sorted I'll be attacking his laptop and desktop too, to protect my system. I've had our network down since the old box crashed and I'm seriously questioning the wisdom of putting it back up and him back on again.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)