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h4rsheys
03-01-2010, 04:10 PM
I have a price limit of $100-$150. anything lower that fulfills specifications is fine as well.

any good suggestions?


I'm running Windows 7, 4gb ram, intel core 2 duo 2.67 ghz processor with a shitty intel integrated q43/q45 express chipset.


I just need a decent one that will play most recent games properly. Nothing fancy.

Speedy Gonzales
03-01-2010, 04:24 PM
You may get an ATI HD 4550 for around $106. Just got one about 2 weeks ago. Its good enough. 512mb, with VGA/DVI/HDMI ports.

Netsukeninja
03-01-2010, 04:45 PM
This card is great, a ton faster than a 4550, and only $159. http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=10023 (HD4770) With an HD4770 Crysis, is playable. (30ish FPS)
This is an $89 HD4550, http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=7739 don't expect much though.

pctek
03-01-2010, 05:03 PM
You may get an ATI HD 4550 for around $106. Its good enough. .

Good enough for what???
I wouldn't have installed one in my lamest Gaming machine even when they were new out.

h4rsheys
03-01-2010, 05:08 PM
ok heres a hopefully simpler scenario.

lowest to highest quality-->
star wars battlefront 2, call of duty, halo 1, borderlands, codmw2

which card would cover the most number of these types of games for the least amount of money?

sense makes?

the ati hd 4550 was the one i was actually looking at beforehand... :]

Battleneter2
03-01-2010, 05:43 PM
ok heres a hopefully simpler scenario.

lowest to highest quality-->
star wars battlefront 2, call of duty, halo 1, borderlands, codmw2

which card would cover the most number of these types of games for the least amount of money?

sense makes?

the ati hd 4550 was the one i was actually looking at beforehand... :]


Yea the 4550 is a hunk of junk, well its no gaming card, you WILL be disappointed even if your gaming at 1280x1024.


As above buy the 4770 its worth every red cent. The Performance is VERY close to a 4850 (which does feature in the below link).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/ati-radeon-hd-4550-512mb-review/7


As you can see the 4550 is woeful.

h4rsheys
03-01-2010, 05:55 PM
my screens 2048x1152, widescreen dell sp2309w

so would the 4770 be good for that?

and would the card run properly with my comp specs? listed above and i have that stuff on a dell optiplex 760 tower.
"Windows 7, 4gb ram, intel core 2 duo 2.67 ghz processor"

the comp wouldn't overheat or anything right?

h4rsheys
03-01-2010, 06:12 PM
compare these products (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat13504&type=page&pageIdentity=searchDriven&useProductString=true&productString=1218136767267*1218069452028*12181381 84556&unProductString=1218136768354*1218136767065*121805 7381797*1218136768586*1218072892035*1218136767736* 1218069451494*1218138183027*1218099254614*12180996 48165*1218007083797*1218099648378&catId=)


which one is best and why? disregard the sold out sign.

Agent_24
03-01-2010, 06:17 PM
My old 8600GT 256MB runs Call of Duty Modern Warefare 2 fine on highest settings (but only at 1024x768)

Not that I care, with a 17" CRT...

Sweep
03-01-2010, 06:19 PM
You have a price limit of 100 - 150 in your first post.

Am I now to think that this is US dollars or NZ dollars?

This is a NZ site.

pctek
03-01-2010, 06:45 PM
which card would cover the most number of these types of games for the least amount of money?

I'd still get the 4850 instead. It's what I call a low end card.
Anything less is not worthy of being called "gaming".

h4rsheys
03-01-2010, 06:59 PM
compare these products (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat13504&type=page&pageIdentity=searchDriven&useProductString=true&productString=1218136767267*1218069452028*12181381 84556&unProductString=1218136768354*1218136767065*121805 7381797*1218136768586*1218072892035*1218136767736* 1218069451494*1218138183027*1218099254614*12180996 48165*1218007083797*1218099648378&catId=)


which one is best and why? disregard the sold out sign.

wow comment this plz^^.

and yes we're talkin USD.

i use this site because it's helped me out greatly in the past.

Sweep
03-01-2010, 08:49 PM
wow comment this plz^^.

and yes we're talkin USD.

i use this site because it's helped me out greatly in the past.

I just wanted to clarify that it was $US as some were looking at $NZ prices.

h4rsheys
04-01-2010, 09:04 AM
i dont think anyone mentioned nz price.... but yes.

Netsukeninja
04-01-2010, 10:00 AM
Actually, all the sites we listed to are in NZ dollars, if you are talking USD, try this baby: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864

whellington
04-01-2010, 12:23 PM
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=7942

h4rsheys
04-01-2010, 12:51 PM
a friend of mine said nvidia is a more reliable company.

he runs a nvidia geforce 9600 gt on 4gb ram, win 7 os, core 2 duo processor and all his games, ie. borderlands and halo, run fine on maxed out settings.


so i was considering getting one of these (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat13504&type=page&pageIdentity=searchDriven&useProductString=true&productString=1218006355798*1217029964973*12180711 35693&unProductString=1218138183998*1218135440392*121807 6082739*1185265539488*1218135446998*1218135445513* 1218102780717*1218102200449*1218072680869*12181381 84741*1218135442091*1218135451898&catId=)

the cheapest one ($110) would do the job as well right?


and is there a big difference between a 1gb video memory card and a 512 mb one?

because my shitty little intel integrated express card has 1695 MB total available graphics memory...
so removing that and putting a 1gb or a 512 mb card wouldnt downgrade performance would it?

Sweep
04-01-2010, 02:24 PM
a friend of mine said nvidia is a more reliable company.

he runs a nvidia geforce 9600 gt on 4gb ram, win 7 os, core 2 duo processor and all his games, ie. borderlands and halo, run fine on maxed out settings.


so i was considering getting one of these (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat13504&type=page&pageIdentity=searchDriven&useProductString=true&productString=1218006355798*1217029964973*12180711 35693&unProductString=1218138183998*1218135440392*121807 6082739*1185265539488*1218135446998*1218135445513* 1218102780717*1218102200449*1218072680869*12181381 84741*1218135442091*1218135451898&catId=)

the cheapest one ($110) would do the job as well right?


and is there a big difference between a 1gb video memory card and a 512 mb one?

because my shitty little intel integrated express card has 1695 MB total available graphics memory...
so removing that and putting a 1gb or a 512 mb card wouldnt downgrade performance would it?

Any stand alone video card is going to be better than integrated. The integrated uses the RAM on your motherboard.

nVidia is not a brand as such.

If it were me I'd look for an Asus video card and I'd go for a 4770.

You also don't say what outputs you want like VGA, HDMI, TV out and etc.

This is why I shut up until such time as I have enough information to give you advice.

h4rsheys
04-01-2010, 02:42 PM
is there a big difference between a 1gb video memory card and a 512 mb one?

because my shitty little intel integrated express card has 1695 MB total available graphics memory...
so removing that and putting a 1gb or a 512 mb card wouldnt downgrade performance would it?

i still dont know about this^ though.

and as for outputs i only need a vga output for my computer. anything else is just extra

i think my two best bets would end up being the nvidia geforce 9800 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Grap hics+Card/8968094.p;jsessionid=11F710F92CDA59CE7C27E19DE79FF F45.bbolsp-app05-25?skuId=8968094&id=1218006355798) and the asus ati radeon hd 5750 (http://www.frys.com/product/6092428?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG).

and im leaning towards the nvidia because it'll do the job for me and its cheaper.

what do you guys think?

Sweep
04-01-2010, 02:53 PM
i still dont know about this^ though.

and as for outputs i only need a vga output for my computer. anything else is just extra

i think my two best bets would end up being the nvidia geforce 9800 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Grap hics+Card/8968094.p;jsessionid=11F710F92CDA59CE7C27E19DE79FF F45.bbolsp-app05-25?skuId=8968094&id=1218006355798) and the asus ati radeon hd 5750 (http://www.frys.com/product/6092428?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG).

and im leaning towards the nvidia because it'll do the job for me and its cheaper.

what do you guys think?

Sigh.

nVidia and ATI are just chipsets used by various graphic card makers. What I worry about is I have no idea who pny are.

Try a search for Asus, Gigabyte, XFX cards in your price range.

I will check out your site above for something that will suit.

Here we go.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+GeForce+9800+GT+512MB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Graphics+ Card/9653006.p?id=1218138183998&skuId=9653006

You will need an adapter to plug the monitor in if the cable from the monitor will not go in the card.

davidmmac
04-01-2010, 02:56 PM
because my shitty little intel integrated express card has 1695 MB total available graphics memory...
so removing that and putting a 1gb or a 512 mb card wouldnt downgrade performance would it?

I highly doubt it.

As far as I am aware the memory on a graphics card is used to load the outputted frames onto (I may be wrong though) but integrated graphics usually only have rubbish processors that are reliant on the computers main RAM so you are only going to notice improvement by putting a sole graphics card in.

Battleneter2
04-01-2010, 03:33 PM
i still dont know about this^ though.

and as for outputs i only need a vga output for my computer. anything else is just extra

i think my two best bets would end up being the nvidia geforce 9800 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Grap hics+Card/8968094.p;jsessionid=11F710F92CDA59CE7C27E19DE79FF F45.bbolsp-app05-25?skuId=8968094&id=1218006355798) and the asus ati radeon hd 5750 (http://www.frys.com/product/6092428?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG).

and im leaning towards the nvidia because it'll do the job for me and its cheaper.

what do you guys think?

The 5750 is a lot faster, the 9800 is what I would call a 1600x900 card (if you run higher, many of the latests games will be to low FPS generally speaking). You will also be force to upgrade that 9800 a lot sooner so is it really cheaper!

Also dont make the common mistake of thinking video ram is directly related to performance. A 1gig card maybe be able to run higher resolutions BUT if its GPU is to slow then youll be doing like 5FPS which is worthless . 512Mb is enough for mainstream cards, its the GPU speed you need to worry about.

h4rsheys
04-01-2010, 04:23 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+GeForce+9800+GT+512MB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Graphics+ Card/9653006.p?id=1218138183998&skuId=9653006

You will need an adapter to plug the monitor in if the cable from the monitor will not go in the card.

NICE find sweep. thanks a lot.

this is definitely in my options, but i was hoping to buy a 1gb ram card so ill probably still stick with the 1gb pny geforce 9800. PNY is a common brand, so its safe, more known here than asus i think.

the the reason im avoiding the 5750 is because of its price and problems that could arise with overheating.


** best buy is also one of the leading electronic stores here, so that why im using their site.

whellington
04-01-2010, 11:01 PM
NICE find sweep. thanks a lot.

this is definitely in my options, but i was hoping to buy a 1gb ram card so ill probably still stick with the 1gb pny geforce 9800. PNY is a common brand, so its safe, more known here than asus i think.

the the reason im avoiding the 5750 is because of its price and problems that could arise with overheating.


** best buy is also one of the leading electronic stores here, so that why im using their site.

Sigh.. bestbuy is a US store - if you convert that to US it comes to $160 + a hefty shipping price to NZ.

Also the HD4850 i linked is better and cheaper than the 9800GT

h4rsheys
05-01-2010, 05:07 AM
sorry for the confusion because i forgot to mention i'm from the us. I'm using this site because it's helped me out adequately in the past.

the 9800 1gb is $110 now, and is normally $140.

whellington
05-01-2010, 10:33 AM
sorry for the confusion because i forgot to mention i'm from the us. I'm using this site because it's helped me out adequately in the past.

the 9800 1gb is $110 now, and is normally $140.

This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339 is better and still in your price range

Battleneter2
05-01-2010, 11:55 AM
sorry for the confusion because i forgot to mention i'm from the us. I'm using this site because it's helped me out adequately in the past.

the 9800 1gb is $110 now, and is normally $140.

h4rsheys with respect you live in the states where GPU's are insanely cheap. Save maybe another $70 and buy a "real" card like a ATI 4890, like twice the speed you can get them there for under 200 bucks.

I went from a OC 8800GT(about the same speed as 9800) to a GTX275 (about the same speed as a HD4890) and I can say you are mad !! lol.

h4rsheys
05-01-2010, 01:41 PM
this is the only chance i have to buy a card, there is no saving up.

so this is my final price range.

also @whellington, the product you linked is indeed in my price range, but isnt it the same product?

the one im looking at is a 9800gt 1 gb (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Grap hics+Card/8968094.p;jsessionid=6646244C933D860685DE6937DC309 026.bbolsp-app01-37?skuId=8968094&id=1218006355798) and the one you showed me is a 9800gtx with 512mb
whats the difference?

whellington
05-01-2010, 02:13 PM
If i were you i'd save up like Battleneter2 said and get a 4870/90

For your price range you can't get better than this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102852R&cm_re=4890-_-14-102-852R-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102848R&cm_re=4890-_-14-102-848R-_-Product

If you want new:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161268&cm_re=4870-_-14-161-268-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127451&cm_re=4870-_-14-127-451-_-Product

The 4870 beats the 9800gtx+ by about 30% and around the same price.
9800gtx+ > 9800gt

h4rsheys
05-01-2010, 05:24 PM
i think its time to bring it to an end.

as per getting the job simply done i have decided to stick to my first choice and get this (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Grap hics+Card/8968094.p?skuId=8968094&id=1218006355798) card.

why?

because it'll fit my specific need, it will still play most, if not all games, and it's cost is by far the best.

:thanks for your help, all of you. your opinion was greatly appreciated once again.

Bryan
05-01-2010, 07:45 PM
Once you install it, please let us know what you think,

h4rsheys
06-01-2010, 04:50 AM
no problem

Thebananamonkey
06-01-2010, 03:27 PM
i think its time to bring it to an end.

as per getting the job simply done i have decided to stick to my first choice and get this (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Grap hics+Card/8968094.p?skuId=8968094&id=1218006355798) card.

why?

because it'll fit my specific need, it will still play most, if not all games, and it's cost is by far the best.

:thanks for your help, all of you. your opinion was greatly appreciated once again.

Despite the fact that you obviously didn't listen to it?

I don't have any objection to people asking questions, but I object to people who don't know that much saying "yes, but" and charging on regardless. If you ask for advice, I'd suggest taking it.

RAM is good on video cards when using AF and playing at high resolutions. Your card most likely will not be able to play very many modern games (my 9800GTX OC'd struggles with Modern Warfare) and will only use the RAM at 24" and above. IMO, you've wasted your money. That's your problem though, not ours. And double so, since you'd been advised against it.

/Rant

h4rsheys
07-01-2010, 04:46 PM
Despite the fact that you obviously didn't listen to it?

I don't have any objection to people asking questions, but I object to people who don't know that much saying "yes, but" and charging on regardless. If you ask for advice, I'd suggest taking it.

RAM is good on video cards when using AF and playing at high resolutions. Your card most likely will not be able to play very many modern games (my 9800GTX OC'd struggles with Modern Warfare) and will only use the RAM at 24" and above. IMO, you've wasted your money. That's your problem though, not ours. And double so, since you'd been advised against it.

/Rant

Asking for advice doesn't fully impose that one is going to take it. It is simply a way of asking for suggestions that may lead to an even better opportunity to invest in a more worthwhile product. I fully considered everyone's opinion and weighed the odds fairly in my point of view. If you believe there is something wrong with this, then my apologies, there's nothing I can do to fix that. Also, I may not as be as knowledgeable as most when it comes to computer hardware so excuse my inability to fully comprehend the technicalities of a proper graphics card. I understand that you have claimed that it would be unwise to purchase the 9800- is this because of my screen size? I am fully willing to reconsider as I have not purchased the card yet.

At the moment I have a dell sp2309w (23", 2048x1152), but I might be downgrading to a dell E157FP (15", 1024x768).

In accordance to each, would the 9800 make sense in either case, or no overall?

a friend of mine is running a nvidia geforce 9600gt (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9600gt_us.html) on a samsung syncmaster 226BW (19'', 1680x1050) with 4gb ram and a core 2 duo processor at 2.4ghz. He plays games such as borderlands on maxed out settings and they run fine.

I will be running a nvidia 9800gt (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Grap hics+Card/8968094.p;jsessionid=D2D1CF902FD8BB17493318936A49B 6EC.bbolsp-app01-50?skuId=8968094&id=1218006355798) on a dell E157FP (15", 1024x768) with 4gb ram, and a core 2 duo processor at 2.67 ghz.

In my opinion, I should be perfectly fine, but if you disagree, let me know- I will wait a week before purchasing.

qazwsxokmijn
07-01-2010, 08:27 PM
For a mere 1024x768 res the 9800GT itself can be considered overkill....but I don't have an objection. Why are you downgrading screen, though, if I may ask?

And banana, just deal with it man.....just because you've advised against something doesn't mean the OP HAS to follow it.

h4rsheys
07-01-2010, 09:10 PM
Yea, so I think I'll stick with the 9800 if it will handle the small screen adequately. I'm downgrading only because of budget constraints and the possibility that the 9800 won't handle the bigger screen. If it does, great- but if it doesn't then at least I know the smaller screen will be supported by the card.

Battleneter2
07-01-2010, 09:35 PM
Yea, so I think I'll stick with the 9800 if it will handle the small screen adequately. I'm downgrading only because of budget constraints and the possibility that the 9800 won't handle the bigger screen. If it does, great- but if it doesn't then at least I know the smaller screen will be supported by the card.

You'd downgrade from a 23" widescreen to a 15" 4:3 to match your video card, lol that's just really bizarre!, please don't type that again you sent a shiver down my spine.

The 9800 will get you by for a while no question, that 23" will run lower outside its native resolution and you can turn down the IQ on a lot of games, but less pretty. Just a shame you couldn't raise another 70 bucks and buy something that will last a few years.

There is an old saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, but I do understand some people are very very tight on $.

whellington
08-01-2010, 01:30 AM
You'd downgrade from a 23" widescreen to a 15" 4:3 to match your video card, lol that's just really bizarre!, please don't type that again you sent a shiver down my spine.

The 9800 will get you by for a while no question, that 23" will run lower outside its native resolution and you can turn down the IQ on a lot of games, but less pretty. Just a shame you couldn't raise another 70 bucks and buy something that will last a few years.

There is an old saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, but I do understand some people are very very tight on $.

He could have gotten a much better card like the 4850, 4870 and still be within his budget

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-310-5970,2491-7.html

h4rsheys
08-01-2010, 08:37 AM
goodness gracious~ i'm so stubborn.

h4rsheys
08-01-2010, 09:29 AM
I have one more question (sorry),

since I haven't opened up my tower yet I would like to know what would happen if I remove my express chipset cards to replace them with the new graphics card.
Apparently the Q43 (http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/chipsets/q43/q43-overview.htm)/Q45 (http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/chipsets/q45/q45-overview.htm) express chipsets come loaded with support for audio, memory, video, and various other processes. If I remove these with solely a graphics card, won't all the other forms of support be gone? In other words, won't I end up with no audio and whatnot?

Wow I just considered this, sorry if it's a ridiculous question, but if someone can clarify it for me I would greatly appreciate it. And in simple terms, as I'm not a highly advanced computer user.

plod
08-01-2010, 09:32 AM
I have one more question (sorry),

since I haven't opened up my tower yet I would like to know what would happen if I remove my express chipset cards to replace them with the new graphics card.
Apparently the Q43 (http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/chipsets/q43/q43-overview.htm)/Q45 (http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/chipsets/q45/q45-overview.htm) express chipsets come loaded with support for audio, memory, video, and various other processes. If I remove these with solely a graphics card, won't all the other forms of support be gone? In other words, won't I end up with no audio and whatnot?

Wow I just considered this, sorry if it's a ridiculous question, but if someone can clarify it for me I would greatly appreciate it. And in simple terms, as I'm not a highly advanced computer user.
Thats your mother board, you take that out and you won't have much of anything, or too plug your new gpu into

Sweep
08-01-2010, 09:41 AM
Just disable the onboard graphics in the BIOS when you fit the new card.

Nomad
08-01-2010, 10:20 AM
If one has to save money, depends how much you into your games?

For many I suspect that games are only relaxation activity, that I would prefer a larger screen and a cheaper video card if you have to make that tradeoff. At least while you are doing all your other stuff you have this nice screen.

Yep I focus on the GPU and not on the RAM. I have a 4830 and that's ok for the one game demo I played with... These days I might get a 4850 or the like.

Agent_24
08-01-2010, 10:24 AM
If you don't know the difference between the motherboard chipset and a video card, you should probably get someone who knows what they are doing to install the new graphics card for you, but get them to show you and explain. That way you will learn something but not risk breaking anything.

h4rsheys
08-01-2010, 10:46 AM
i could get someone to help me with it..... but I know I'm not going to be spending money on it. Probably a friend...

I just wanted to make sure that taking out the express chipsets for a sole graphics card wouldn't **** anything else up.

SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYY:annoyed:

whellington
08-01-2010, 10:51 AM
i could get someone to help me with it..... but I know I'm not going to be spending money on it. Probably a friend...

I just wanted to make sure that taking out the express chipsets for a sole graphics card wouldn't **** anything else up.

SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYY:annoyed:

Its all soldered on i don't think you can take it up without ****ing up the card

edit: oops do you mean the motherboard chipset? idk

h4rsheys
08-01-2010, 11:02 AM
attached is my performance information.

see the display adapter?

i want to know if removing that is needed/ possible. and i removing it would cause any further implications.

Sweep
08-01-2010, 11:10 AM
When you get the new card you will need to possibly go into the BIOS and disable the on board graphic. This will not affect sound etc.

davidmmac
08-01-2010, 11:10 AM
You don't need to remove it, and you can't as it is built into the motherboard.

Just disable it in the bios as Sweep mentioned earlier.

Sweep
08-01-2010, 11:12 AM
You don't need to remove it, and you can't as it is built into the motherboard.

Just disable it in the bios as Sweep mentioned earlier.

And I just said it again as well.

h4rsheys
08-01-2010, 11:32 AM
ok understood, thanks for your help. I'll just have a friend help me out to add it separately.