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ubergeek85
09-12-2009, 09:47 PM
Hey guys. As much as I hate ford, I have a question to ask.

How much oil would a 1997 Ford Transit 2.5 Diesel hold? The dipstick on my fathers' (who also hates ford) is either way too short, or there's no oil in the thing. I'm hoping for the former, we chucked in half a litre or so, and it didn't show on the dipstick, but then he noticed that the dipstick doesn't even have high/low marks!

We're a bit worried now, as he just brought it a couple days ago. He's contacted the seller about it, but I thought I'd get your guys opinions on it. He and I both reckon it's in the 4-6l area, but can't nail it down any further. Google is useless, the closest I got was an '88, which tool 7l!

Thanks.

plod
09-12-2009, 10:04 PM
Im thinking 6 or so liters, half a lt wouldn't touch the sides

prefect
09-12-2009, 10:29 PM
We have a 1998 Ford Tragic van I have the Haynes workshop manual and the owners manual but since you and your father hates Fords I am not going to tell you anything.

roddy_boy
09-12-2009, 10:38 PM
I drive a 2009 Ford Transit but I don't know anything about cars if that helps.

qazwsxokmijn
09-12-2009, 10:44 PM
I drive a 2009 Ford Transit but I don't know anything about cars if that helps.
:lol:

SurferJoe46
10-12-2009, 06:00 AM
Straight from Castrol Site:


Make FORD
Model Transit 2.4 Di DuraTorq (RWD - 66/92kW)
NOTE: 2.4L is rated at 2.5l. per manufacturer's specs
Engine DT diesel
Year 2000-1986 early, originally sold as 1987 models.

Application Recommendation Capacity (ltr)
Engine (DT) MAGNATEC 5W-30 A1 (g) 7
Manual Transmission SMX-S 1.3
Automatic Transmission
Differential 2.6L
Coolant (50%) 6.7lL/ 6.1L
Power Steering TQD
Brake Fluid RESPONSE SUPER DOT 4

Oil Change & Intervals: As per.,

Lubricant / Capacity Notes
g. Diesel from 08/98 (except Transit and Ranger): Endura 1.8, -DE, DE (TC), DE (TCI), DI, EO FRD 913A/912A1 5W-30, Duratorq1.8 EO FRD913B 5W-30 (A3B3 5W-40/10W40 can be used for top-up); 2.5 DI and 2.5 TD Transit, A3B3 5W-40/10W-40, A2B3/A3B3 15W-40 can be used for top-up only; 2.4 Di Transit, A1B1/A3B3 5W-30/5W-40 can be used for top-up only; 2.5 WL and 2.5 WL-T Ranger, A1B1/A2B2/A3B3 10W-30, A3B3 5W-40/10W-40 can be used for top-up only. Diesel up to 07/98 (except 1.8 Endura, -DE, DE-TC, DE-TCI, Transit, -2.5 DI, 2.5 Turbo Diesel): A3B3 10W-40/A2B2/A3B3 15W-40/5W-40; 1.8 Endura, -DE, DE-TC, DE-TCI, A3B3 10W-40/5W-40; Transit, -2.5 DI, Turbo Diesel, A1B1/A2B2/A3B3 10W-30/5W-40/10W-40/A2B2/A3B3 15W-40

Also, this engine exists in a plethora of vehicles from Upsidedown Land and it's neighbor to the West:


FORD Granada 2.5 Diesel (1982 - 1985)
FORD Granada 2.5 Diesel (1986 - 1988)
FORD Granada 2.5 Diesel Turbo (1988 - 1994)
FORD Ranger 2.5 Diesel Turbo 4X4 (1999)
FORD Ranger 2.5 Diesel, -4X4 (1999)
FORD Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel (WL-T - 105kW) (2002)
FORD Scorpio 2.5 Diesel Turbo (1994 - 1995)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 Auto (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 Auto (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 Auto Hi-Rider (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 Auto Hi-Rider (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 Hi-Rider (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x2 Hi-Rider (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x4 (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x4 (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x4 Auto (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
FORD (AUS) Ranger 2.5 Turbo Diesel 4x4 Auto (105kW) (2008 - 2009)
LDV (Ford 2.5 Diesel Turbo) (Convoy) (1997 - 2001)
LDV (Ford 2.5 Diesel) (Convoy) (1997 - 2001)

I note that they almost all use the 7.1 L capacity with filter change.

And Castrol's graphic:



Magnatec Diesel 10W-40 B3

FORD 2.5 Diesel D 1986 - 1988




Engine (D) Magnatec Diesel 10W-40 B3 (b) 5.6 + Filter capacity

Manual Transmission SMX-S (a) 1.9

Automatic Transmission -

Differential Syntrax Universal 1.3

Coolant (50%) REFER TO MAIN DEALER 11.0

Brake Fluid Response Super DOT 4

Power Steering TQ-D



a. 4 Speed Transmission, 1.00 ltr - 2.00 ltr, Syntrax Universal
b. Diesel from 08/98: Endura 1.8, -DE, DE (TC), DE (TCI), DI, EO FRD 913A/912A1 5W-30, Duratorq 1.4/1.8./2.0 EO FRD 913B 5W-30 (A1B1/A3B3 5W-40/10W40 can be used for top-up); 1.9 TDI Galaxy, A3B3 5W-40/10W-40, A2B3/A3B3 15W-40 can be used for top-up only; Diesel up to 07/98 (except 1.8 Endura, -DE, DE-TC, DE-TCI, Maverick, -2.7 TI Turbo, 2.7 Turbo Diesel): A3B3 10W-40/A2B2/A3B3 15W-40/5W-40; 1.8 Endura, -DE, DE-TC, DE-TCI, A3B3 10W-40/5W-40; Maverick, -2.7 TI Turbo, 2.7 Turbo Diesel, A1B1/A2B2/A3B3 10W-30/5W-40/10W-40/A2B2/A3B3 15W-40


Engine - Miles Max 6000
Engine - Km Max 10000


Hope this helps a little

sam m
10-12-2009, 08:48 AM
I would focus on making sure you have correct dipstick first as it would only indicate the top 1 - 2 litres. Why not drain the oil and see how much is actually in the sump then compare with the specs provided or even ring a Ford dealership.

ubergeek85
10-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Hey guys thanks for all the info. Went into town and hunted round for a bit and got ahold of a matching replacement - turns out the dipstick is waaay too short. Think 8-12cm!

That half-litre he added put the level past the max, but not enough to worry 'bout.

Thanks all.

R2x1
10-12-2009, 03:01 PM
Be careful with a full load of oil in a Transit engine, combine that with a full fuel tank and your insurer will raise you into a price bracket much more expensive than the one which assumes empty fluids.

hueybot3000
10-12-2009, 04:55 PM
We have a 1998 Ford Tragic van I have the Haynes workshop manual and the owners manual but since you and your father hates Fords I am not going to tell you anything.

The Transit is probaly the only useful thing Ford have ever made, but even then there are better alternatives. None from Holden unfortunately though

SurferJoe46
10-12-2009, 05:07 PM
I have an opinion about Haynes.

This is a nice site so I won't say that the authors have reservations in the theological establishment of eternal punishment.

Oh! I just did! {snicker}

R2x1
10-12-2009, 05:29 PM
The writers at Haynes possibly mean well. For the target audience, the books are probably quite adequate, although less words and more pictures, plus bananas for each task accomplished would be beneficial.

SurferJoe46
10-12-2009, 08:20 PM
The writers at Haynes possibly mean well. For the target audience, the books are probably quite adequate, although less words and more pictures, plus bananas for each task accomplished would be beneficial.

The only "well" that the writers of Haynes coloring books adhere to is the "well" of money they make selling bogus - no, make that "BAD" and incorrect information.

Sometimes it is SO wrong that I write them letter as only I can.

The say pretty much what you just copped to: "It's the market we want" where now you should add your own closing words from their subliminal message.

I have a good opinion for their pulp fiction --> it's putrid junk and a waste of your money

prefect
10-12-2009, 10:13 PM
Had a gutsfull of Haynes manuals over the years.
Stink photos of an area you need to see.
Really good but useless pics of areas you dont need to see.
Step by step instructions which are common sense and that a retarded chicken could work out.
When you need step by step instructions to remove something ie sequence the only instruction is remove.
Stink parts break downs with thick lines so you dont know what is seal,spacer, shim or washer.
They only seem to do one model of the car type so if they have an Albanian export model to play around in to do the manual and yours is an Antipodean model they are so different the manual is as good as tits on a bull.
Never found a wiring diagram which completely matched the car I am working on.
Tells you to borrow or buy special tool for job than none in NZ has seen when a jolly good whack with a hammer would suffice.

SurferJoe46
11-12-2009, 05:04 AM
I had a buddy who followed the Haynes fuel injection routing and timing for a 6.9/7.3 L diesel in a Ford and he had to force the line to comply with what their manual showed to be the correct plumbing sequence.

It ruined the engine and of course Haynes said it wasn't their fault and suggested that the pictures they presented were "typical" when they were not. There's only ONE way to install the injection lines and they are pre-shaped by the factory to go where they go - not some fantasy re-bending and misalignment that ruined his new engine.

If anyone's got a copy of the Ford F-Series book, take a look at the injection plumbing. It's wrong and yet Haynes has not seen fit to print a retraction or redact the pages even in subsequent issues.

gary67
11-12-2009, 06:40 AM
Transit the van that built Europe so they say. Apparently the design team were sent out in the 70's to see what people wanted and the feedback was "it has to be able to fit sheets of 8x4 board flat so that's what they went and designed

R2x1
11-12-2009, 07:38 AM
And those other manufacturers who thought tranmissions, engines, suspension, durability, drivability and a pleasant driving experience were "a good thing" can just go away, the Transit proves that.
Given the world-leading perfection of the Transit, isn't it a little strange that so few of them last beyond automotive adolescence?

prefect
11-12-2009, 10:39 PM
And those other manufacturers who thought tranmissions, engines, suspension, durability, drivability and a pleasant driving experience were "a good thing" can just go away, the Transit proves that.
Given the world-leading perfection of the Transit, isn't it a little strange that so few of them last beyond automotive adolescence?

Thats why we call them Ford Tragics they are fine if you dont cane them.
Cane and dont service them to Henrys instructions then its a 3k a break down
3000 big ones for a turbo supercharger
3000 smackeroos for injection pump
3000 dolleros for engine computer
3000 plus moulah for cam belt breakage and subsequent meeting of valves and piston
3000 plus notes when layshaft on gearbox snaps
Need to keep on top of brakes throw the front rotors away every 50k

Dont give them death and drive them like a Nana vehicle fit turbo supercharger timer they are very reliable.
Dont lose the master transponder key
Keep antifreeze to specified sg ally radiator ****s itself.

SurferJoe46
12-12-2009, 05:56 AM
What a piece of junk! I looked on the WIKI.

Taunus-anything is just a poor excuse for a vehicle.

With that reworked 2.0 and 2.2 Ranger engine which won't even sell in the US as totally unreliable and horsepower-less, I can imagine the black eye these vans get.

The latter models look much like the E-Series vans we haver here, but with a flee-weight engine they wouldn't make it up our driveways and over the Continental Divide to invade the Western States.

If they have the typical Ford ecumenical engine/transmission combo, then they cannot be relied upon to fall off a cliff for forward motivation even. The ZF transmission is absolutely the WORST transmission in the world - I know - I've rebuilt many of them.

Ford vans in the US at least have the V-10 Triton engine and the E40d-LE transmissions of a later design. They still don't hold up and will sometimes make it to the end of their warranty period without too many transmission replacements and new heads on the engines.

Ford has built crappola for years ever since they started sleeping with Euro-designers.

prefect
12-12-2009, 07:55 AM
[QUOTE=SurferJoe46;848452]What a piece of junk! I looked on the WIKI.

They are no more or less reliable than the Fiat, Merc vans of a similar size.
My opinion is the designers dont factor in the abuse that vans gets in Nouvelle Zealand. Give the young mechanic the van to go get a part and he will invariably give the van death, everyone flogs them like a slave here.
If I was a designer of vans I would make sure the drive train was more robust with big cant ignore idiot lights that come on when a parameter is exceeded.

gary67
12-12-2009, 08:10 AM
Did you not see that German chick drive a diesel tranny around the Nurburgring faster than Clarkson could get round in a Jag on Top Gear?

R2x1
12-12-2009, 08:21 AM
It's a long way around the Nurburgring, and for a Jaguar there are not enough service areas. Johcar and his clubmates could probably beat most Jags around there, including a meal break.

Sam I Am
12-12-2009, 05:27 PM
Sabine Schmitz In a Ford Transit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pklvKKnd0)
:drool



Biker: Fail!

gary67
13-12-2009, 09:04 AM
That's the one Sam bloody good driving, and a Kraut with a sense of humour too

kenj
13-12-2009, 09:40 AM
Ford has built crappola for years ever since they started sleeping with Euro-designers.

They had plenty of experience at building crappola before then!

As well as all the other Yank Tank companies.

Ken

As an aside, I see that GM Holden have a contract for supplying the some of the USA police departments with badged Holdens. Rear wheel drive is a specification for this useage. Reason being that the USA built model that has been used was a 3 box shape with a giant boot (trunk) and a giant bonnet and a incredibly small area for people to use.