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bk T
09-12-2009, 09:34 AM
My daughter needs an orthodontic assessment (told by her school dental nurse) and my research produced the following:

1. $45.00 for the initial consultation and if bracing is necessary for both lower and upper - $4,000. (Location: Papatoetoe, S. Auckland)

2. $65.00 for the initial consultation and bracings from $6,000 to $7,500. (Loaction: Howick, E. Auckland)

As can be seen from the above, the pricing differences are quite huge. Does it mean that the more expensive one provides better and more professional services than the 'not so' expensive one?

Would really appreciate it if someone has experiences in this area could share his/her views and comments. It's going to involve large sum of $$. I never expected it to be soooo expensive!

Renmoo
09-12-2009, 09:41 AM
Braces from South Auckland region are generally cheaper than, say, Eastern or Central Auckland. The quality of the braces should be the same, regardless.

A friend of mine had his done in South Auckland; it is still firmly attached to his teeth, as far as I know :p

nofam
09-12-2009, 09:50 AM
Braces from South Auckland region are generally cheaper than, say, Eastern or Central Auckland. The quality of the braces should be the same, regardless.

A friend of mine had his done in South Auckland; it is still firmly attached to his teeth, as far as I know :p

I would imagine you could get your teeth rearranged in South Auckland quite easily, although it may not be the desired result! :p

Renmoo
09-12-2009, 10:01 AM
Not so much on "rearrangement"; "reallignment" would be a more appropriate term :thumbs:

bk T
09-12-2009, 11:40 AM
... although it may not be the desired result! :p

Would you be kind enough to elaborate a little further? Have you (or someone you know) had any (good or bad) experiences with S. Auckland dentists to share?

As this involves quite a large sum of money (as far as I am concerned), comments and views are appreciated.

Cheers

Speedy Gonzales
09-12-2009, 11:43 AM
I think he meant, if someone knocks them out

R2x1
09-12-2009, 12:50 PM
Ahah - Percussion orthodontry.

Winston001
09-12-2009, 12:59 PM
Orthodontics is a highly specialised skill. Any orthodontist should be fine. If you can get it done more cheaply in one place, go for it. I imagine that in South Auckland people find this cost very hard to cope with so the orthodontists charge less.

FWIW my daughters braces are costing $6000 in Invercargill......sob......

pctek
09-12-2009, 02:09 PM
Well my teeth can damn well stay stuffed. Seeing as no-one would even give me an appointment and the one in Auckland when I was there wanted $700 to rip it out.

prefect
09-12-2009, 02:36 PM
Ahah - Percussion orthodontry.
Or contact counselling.

beetle
09-12-2009, 07:12 PM
We are going thro this stress at the moment.....:crying

dental nurse reffered to orthodontist, each appointment cost $45 ( 2 appointments) to be told she is on the severe abnormal catergory, over 15mm difference between top and bottom teeth.
Next stage $450 to get moldings, xrays and photos to assess the next stage.

$2000 deposit to start next stage, i couldnt come up with it, so we are referreed to hospital. we are awaiting a 6 month waiting list to see if they will reconstuct her jaw ... (extend the jaw bones and remove teeth) or not, and then i think last costing was $5700 not including current bills and costs. this will involve a stay in hospital and possible wiring of jaw, shut.

we are allowed to pay this off for the next two years, once i come up with the $2000, unless hospital think she is severe enough and they will do the op and braces, top and bottom and then send us back to the orthodontist for continued check ups.

and her dad is not interested in helping out with the $$$$ part and i am unable to find that money so heres hoping the hospital will be kind to us.

and this is way down in wangavegus city,

best of luck,

oh and my other child, well he will be doing this same activity in a couple of years, so i have plenty of time to save .............lol

:crying

beetle

bk T
09-12-2009, 08:39 PM
Sounded very pessimistic, though. A hard decision for me to make for the year ending 2009 ??????? !!!!!!!!!!

kenj
09-12-2009, 08:48 PM
We had an interesting incident 20 years ago when our son was in his late teens. Just our experience. Doesn't apply to everybody!!

Similar thing... starting with having a dentist remove a tooth so as to give room for the others to be braced and moved. Those were the orthodontist's instuctions.

A friend of mine was a dentist and he removed the tooth. At the time he said "Hmmn, these don't look like they need work doing on them. They are not a bad set of teeth"

After three months, son was ready to go back to the orthomoney man but SWMBO and I noticed his teeth looked so much better and the gap seemed to be closing naturally.

We took him there and I asked to speak to the orthomoneytaker about this and just asked him if we maybe could wait another couple of months to see what further would happen. The freakin orthomoneytakinggreedybastard gave me a lecture on the fact that I was "obviously a mean old so and so who begrudged spending money on his sons teeth who wanted the money for rubbish things like booze and racehorses" All of this while he was smoking a fag.

I nearly hit the barstard, but controlled myself - told him to go jump and walked out.

Less than a year later my sons teeth looked pretty darned good, and my dentist friend told me that in his opinion, "a lot of these guys pushed treatment just for the money and that braces were a status thing to some people."

Ken :thumbs:

prefect
09-12-2009, 09:32 PM
I have this thing about chicks and braces.

roddy_boy
09-12-2009, 09:37 PM
I didn't want to be the one to say it. Glad you took the bullet, prefect.

bk T: Pics of your daughter?

bk T
09-12-2009, 09:42 PM
I think there are much more medical pros without professional ethics nowadays than those days.

I had a bad experience myself with a specialist about a year ago. I got a small growth on my left thumb and my GP referred me to a specialist (a bastard). So, made an appointment to see him and when I was there he took less than 1 minute to examine my thumb and concluded that its called a "ganglion", I need a surgery to remove it. The surgery will cost me $1,800.

Ok. appointment made and went for the small operation which took about 15 minutes. That's fine. But a few days later, before the stiches were removed, I noticed something's not quite right, went back to his 'Office' the nurse checked and told me that's OK, not big deal, don't worry about it! A bit of relief, though; then, got the stiches removed (from memory, it's 7 days after the surgery) and I still noticed that it's not right and demanded to see the bastard specialist. But he was not available at that time, so made an appointment to see him the next day. Went to see him the next day and the bastard told me that it has recurred! Somehting that he hasn't experienced before (he's quite an old bastard) and he has to re-do the operation at my expense! Straight away, I told him that it's not fair for me to bear the full costs as it's quite clear that he did not performed a good job - the wound han't heeled yet! He refused to compromise and told me that decision is mine, whether to have it done again or not! Seeing that argueing with him at his office will not help and I walked out. Of course, they won't see me again at his office!

The 'ganglion' has been bothering me for more than a year now, and the good news is, the growth is getting smaller and the jelly-like fluid is drying up by itself.

I am angry with this bastard is that he DID NOT tell me that it may recur after the operation. All he interested was MONEY, MONEY & MONEY. Just for your info, the first consultation fee was $250.00 for 1 minuite of examining and about 4 minute telling me about his costs, and fixing appointment for the operation!

What a BASTARD. sorry for using that word - I usually don't use such strong words especially in writing!

Renmoo
09-12-2009, 10:11 PM
bk T: Pics of your daughter?
Explain the relevancy with respect to the thread?

bk T
09-12-2009, 10:18 PM
Oh dear!

is it relevant?????

I'm using a cell phone without camera, but if you want to buy me one, that's great!

Marnie
09-12-2009, 10:20 PM
FWIW my daughters braces are costing $6000 in Invercargill......sob......

Daughter's orthodontic work cost around $1500, but that was quite a few years ago, so the cost is relevant. (She has a brilliant smile :)). It's always been expensive.

kenj and bk T no section of society is completely without some bad apples in their bunch. We just tend to feel far more upset when one of those of those in a profession; and one we thought we could trust, let's us down.

Renmoo
09-12-2009, 10:21 PM
bk T: I read your post on professional misdemeanor with interest. Should you feel that an unfair health treatment has been received in the future, feel free to contact the Health & Disability Commissioner on ways to complain about it.

Link: http://www.hdc.org.nz/

Cheers :)

Renmoo
09-12-2009, 10:25 PM
We are going thro this stress at the moment.....:crying

dental nurse reffered to orthodontist, each appointment cost $45 ( 2 appointments) to be told she is on the severe abnormal catergory, over 15mm difference between top and bottom teeth.
Next stage $450 to get moldings, xrays and photos to assess the next stage.

$2000 deposit to start next stage, i couldnt come up with it, so we are referreed to hospital. we are awaiting a 6 month waiting list to see if they will reconstuct her jaw ... (extend the jaw bones and remove teeth) or not, and then i think last costing was $5700 not including current bills and costs. this will involve a stay in hospital and possible wiring of jaw, shut.

we are allowed to pay this off for the next two years, once i come up with the $2000, unless hospital think she is severe enough and they will do the op and braces, top and bottom and then send us back to the orthodontist for continued check ups.

and her dad is not interested in helping out with the $$$$ part and i am unable to find that money so heres hoping the hospital will be kind to us.

and this is way down in wangavegus city,

best of luck,

oh and my other child, well he will be doing this same activity in a couple of years, so i have plenty of time to save .............lol

:crying

beetle

Are the jaw bones not alligning vertically?

Some of my frontal teeth were bulging slightly for the past.... five years, I guess. It was only a year ago that I had it corrected by wearing braces.

Cheers :)

roddy_boy
09-12-2009, 11:18 PM
Explain the relevancy with respect to the thread?

No. You forgot to say "please".

johcar
10-12-2009, 06:26 AM
My kids have both had orthodontic treatment (a guy on the Shore) - a fixed price quoted at the start of treatment (irrespective of how long the treatment actually goes on for - no doubt he has a margin built in) and then just a monthly recurring charge to pay off the amount. A far easier way for parents to fund the treatment than trying to find big lumps of cash every now and then. Probably helps his cashflow too....

Greg
10-12-2009, 07:57 AM
Explain the relevancy with respect to the thread?Easy. He's an immature freaking pervert.

Cicero
10-12-2009, 08:05 AM
I think there are much more medical pros without professional ethics nowadays than those days.

I had a bad experience myself with a specialist about a year ago. I got a small growth on my left thumb and my GP referred me to a specialist (a bastard). So, made an appointment to see him and when I was there he took less than 1 minute to examine my thumb and concluded that its called a "ganglion", I need a surgery to remove it. The surgery will cost me $1,800.

Ok. appointment made and went for the small operation which took about 15 minutes. That's fine. But a few days later, before the stiches were removed, I noticed something's not quite right, went back to his 'Office' the nurse checked and told me that's OK, not big deal, don't worry about it! A bit of relief, though; then, got the stiches removed (from memory, it's 7 days after the surgery) and I still noticed that it's not right and demanded to see the bastard specialist. But he was not available at that time, so made an appointment to see him the next day. Went to see him the next day and the bastard told me that it has recurred! Somehting that he hasn't experienced before (he's quite an old bastard) and he has to re-do the operation at my expense! Straight away, I told him that it's not fair for me to bear the full costs as it's quite clear that he did not performed a good job - the wound han't heeled yet! He refused to compromise and told me that decision is mine, whether to have it done again or not! Seeing that argueing with him at his office will not help and I walked out. Of course, they won't see me again at his office!

The 'ganglion' has been bothering me for more than a year now, and the good news is, the growth is getting smaller and the jelly-like fluid is drying up by itself.

I am angry with this bastard is that he DID NOT tell me that it may recur after the operation. All he interested was MONEY, MONEY & MONEY. Just for your info, the first consultation fee was $250.00 for 1 minuite of examining and about 4 minute telling me about his costs, and fixing appointment for the operation!

What a BASTARD. sorry for using that word - I usually don't use such strong words especially in writing!

Seem to be quie a few of these mongrels about.

Cicero
10-12-2009, 08:08 AM
Easy. He's an immature freaking pervert.

And there we have it in a nutshell.

Renmoo
10-12-2009, 08:21 AM
Easy. He's an immature freaking pervert.


And there we have it in a nutshell.
Let's not feed the troll. Stick to the topic.

Beetle: Do you have any form of insurance?

Cicero
10-12-2009, 08:56 AM
I prefer post post 24 to your 17.

The relevancy is,these so called professionals are want to rip us off.

Take the case some time ago when the eye surgeons tried to stop OZ eye surgeons from working here for a lot less than the likes of that surgeon who charged $1800 for an op I could have done.

beetle
10-12-2009, 08:56 AM
I have southern cross, (its a work funded one)
and my children are on their dads health care so they are covered for dr's, i dont know what else, but he has not bothered to check or even get back to us about it, and just says his phones not working when i try to contact him to ask for help with the money side of it.

beetle:illogical

kenj
10-12-2009, 11:14 AM
Life can be a b**ch beetle - chin up :crying

Ken

piersdad
11-12-2009, 10:21 AM
went regularly to the same dentist till her charges seemed to escalate every year
finally after losing most of my teeth and was charged $90 just for a clean and told to come back for two fillings i revolted and have not been back to a dentist for the last 8 years.
result
no more a tooth ake and need for removal.

i realized that in my situation every time i went to the dentist they would clean all the tartar from around the tooth and do the nescessary repairs but with in a month or so i would get severe tooth acke and have to get a tooth removed
so now after not having my teeth 'cleaned' for years i find that i have not had a single tooth even sore for 8 years

so now i wonder if the severe cleaning of the teeth were actually causing my teeth to be exposed to more bacteria than nature wanted and instead of expecting the rest of my teeth needing removal and then dentures i still have enough left to eat.

i feel that dentists 'farm' their customers mouths for more work
this ins only an opinion based on only my experience

bk T
11-12-2009, 01:01 PM
...
so now i wonder if the severe cleaning of the teeth were actually causing my teeth to be exposed to more bacteria than nature wanted and instead of expecting the rest of my teeth needing removal and then dentures i still have enough left to eat.

i feel that dentists 'farm' their customers mouths for more work
this ins only an opinion based on only my experience

I fully agree with you. I've experienced quite similar situation as yours. Sometimes I wonder how those dentists were trained. They can't even do a simple 'cleaning' job! They do more harm than good - they actually damaged my teeth on several occassions. Dentists used to be quite professional during the olden days but they are now very greedy - they can only see and interested in $$$$$$$$

Cicero
11-12-2009, 01:15 PM
I note some dentist have hygienist doing cleaning.

My dentist had one,she was an absolute smasher,she left so I didn't go back to that dentist,just too upsetting.:cool:

prefect
11-12-2009, 02:39 PM
God dont you hate it when female hygienist leans right over so you can see down her cleavage.

Renmoo
11-12-2009, 03:35 PM
God dont you hate it when female hygienist leans right over so you can see down her cleavage.
Hate?

Cicero
11-12-2009, 03:36 PM
God dont you hate it when female hygienist leans right over so you can see down her cleavage.

Can't say hate is the right word.

Oh by gum this girl was an angel.

John H
11-12-2009, 04:23 PM
Hate?

Have you ever had ultrasound scan of the old ticker? It was an intimate experience, with a very nice operator giving me a fair old cuddle from behind whilst she manipulated the sounder thing over my chest. Phwoar... Hard to explain - I guess you had to be there. It would have been better if I hadn't been so scared about what she would find...

John H
11-12-2009, 04:25 PM
My kids have both had orthodontic treatment (a guy on the Shore) - a fixed price quoted at the start of treatment (irrespective of how long the treatment actually goes on for - no doubt he has a margin built in) and then just a monthly recurring charge to pay off the amount. A far easier way for parents to fund the treatment than trying to find big lumps of cash every now and then. Probably helps his cashflow too....

We had that experience on the Shore about 20 years ago. It was a good system. I think that all up the cost was about $3000 then for an extraction, braces, follow up.

The day the final payment was made, young madam came home to say she had been appointed goalkeeper for her high school hockey team. Grrrrr....:mad:

John H
11-12-2009, 04:28 PM
(snip) Went to see him the next day and the bastard told me that it has recurred! Somehting that he hasn't experienced before (he's quite an old bastard) and he has to re-do the operation at my expense! (snip)

My son's vasectomy recurred as well... He just wouldn't stop firing live bullets, so the surgeon (who also said that he had not experienced this before) had to do it all over again. However, unlike your experience, the surgeon took responsibility for his failure to turn off the tap, and did the second snip for free. As yours should have done right from the get-go.

bk T
11-12-2009, 06:41 PM
My son's vasectomy recurred as well... He just wouldn't stop firing live bullets, so the surgeon (who also said that he had not experienced this before) had to do it all over again. However, unlike your experience, the surgeon took responsibility for his failure to turn off the tap, and did the second snip for free. As yours should have done right from the get-go.

At least he was ethical & 'brave' enough to accept his mistakes and responsibilities as a 'trained' professional.

Sadly, not many medical professionals deserve my respects nowadays. They're just 'trained' to see and make $$$$$ by all means and ways. Their goal is to make as much money as they can. Obviously, they don't know what 'Professional Ethic' is all about!

Cicero
11-12-2009, 06:49 PM
My son's vasectomy recurred as well... He just wouldn't stop firing live bullets, so the surgeon (who also said that he had not experienced this before) had to do it all over again. However, unlike your experience, the surgeon took responsibility for his failure to turn off the tap, and did the second snip for free. As yours should have done right from the get-go.

You are right this time Jono.

plod
11-12-2009, 07:01 PM
My son's vasectomy recurred as well... He just wouldn't stop firing live bullets, so the surgeon (who also said that he had not experienced this before) had to do it all over again. However, unlike your experience, the surgeon took responsibility for his failure to turn off the tap, and did the second snip for free. As yours should have done right from the get-go.

Vasectomy's are not 100% guarannted

Renmoo
11-12-2009, 07:14 PM
Vasectomy's are not 100% guarannted
I say.... >85% success rate.

John H
11-12-2009, 07:50 PM
Vasectomy's are not 100% guarannted

Oh well, I suppose I got a good one then, 33 years ago... Best $60 I ever spent.

plod
12-12-2009, 05:56 AM
Oh well, I suppose I got a good one then, 33 years ago... Best $60 I ever spent.

Had one 6 years ago, parent gave it to me for a xmas gift,they are about $350, most my parents have ever spent on me:lol:

Cicero
12-12-2009, 07:53 AM
Had one 6 years ago, parent gave it to me for a Xmas gift,they are about $350, most my parents have ever spent on me:lol:

Good to see they saw their error and didn't want to perpetuate their gross mistake.

Sam I Am
12-12-2009, 12:40 PM
God dont you hate it when female hygienist leans right over so you can see down her cleavage.

No...........

Sam I Am
12-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Good to see they saw their error and didn't want to perpetuate their gross mistake.

Could see that coming. No pun intended.

plod
12-12-2009, 01:33 PM
Good to see they saw their error and didn't want to perpetuate their gross mistake.

Grandchildren were costing them more then they expected:)

Cicero
12-12-2009, 01:35 PM
Grandchildren were costing them more then they expected:)

Always thought that was the parents function.

But what do I know,I never sprogged.