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DeSade
30-10-2009, 11:16 PM
I decided that the CPU Board ram combo in my machine is more than enough for now and will get a I7 mid 2010 ish.

So I am only looking a a new graphics card right now.

Is the GeForce GTX 295 worth the money?
Any recommendations welcomed, not really keen on the Radeon thou.

Blam
31-10-2009, 12:02 AM
Why are you not keen on the Radeons?

DeSade
31-10-2009, 08:37 AM
I dislike .net installations a lot and installing drivers through .net concerns me a little.
Also I have many many games that say best with Nvidia, and seen many games that say the same, I don't think I have ever seen a game say best with Radeon.

Although that said because I had so much trouble with the ASUS motherboard last upgrade I ditched it for a Gigabyte and the Gig has Crossfire rather than SLI so I could be persuaded I guess to a couple of Radeons, they are certainly cheaper than GeForce. Not sure what would be enough to convince me though

whellington
31-10-2009, 09:04 AM
The 5870 beats the GTX 295 in almost every benchmark. Cheaper and supports DX11.

Review:
http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/pc/games/160099.ATI-Radeon-HD-5870/reviews/133987.ATI-Radeon-HD-5870/page1/

Hope this convinces you

Trev
31-10-2009, 09:42 AM
Unless I'm reading the 3D Mark benchmarks wrong the GTX 295 is the better card. I'm an Nvidia man myself. Been using Nvidia based cards for 10 years.
:)

chiefnz
31-10-2009, 09:43 AM
So you mean to say you don't have .NET installed on your PC at all?

What exactly about .NET worries you... so you won't install anything that requires .NET or do you just feel this way towards device drivers?

Just had a look at Pricespy and the cheapest 295GTX I could find was NZ$741.00!!!

The latest Radeon HD5870 is not much better at NZ$674.00!!!

Whilst they both perform well there is no way I would pay that much for a graphics card right now.

DeSade
31-10-2009, 11:04 AM
The 5870 beats the GTX 295 in almost every benchmark. Cheaper and supports DX11.

Review:
http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/pc/games/160099.ATI-Radeon-HD-5870/reviews/133987.ATI-Radeon-HD-5870/page1/

Hope this convinces you

I have to say the review does not paint the 5870 in a great light.

DeSade
31-10-2009, 11:09 AM
So you mean to say you don't have .NET installed on your PC at all?

What exactly about .NET worries you... so you won't install anything that requires .NET or do you just feel this way towards device drivers?

Just had a look at Pricespy and the cheapest 295GTX I could find was NZ$741.00!!!

The latest Radeon HD5870 is not much better at NZ$674.00!!!

Whilst they both perform well there is no way I would pay that much for a graphics card right now.


Its time to upgrade the graphics, I work in a sort of cycle, new games are coming and I want a new card. I buy the best I can afford at the time and right now I have a bit to throw around.

Some software I work with a lot has a .net installation as part of it and its caused nothing but problems. I have little faith in .net, although I have the framework installed here as most people do I am sure, just gun-shy with it.

The cost is well within my budget right now so that is not a issue, that review that was posted looks like the 4890 in Crossfire might be worth a 2nd look, but the 5870 did not impress me.

whellington
31-10-2009, 11:42 AM
Unless I'm reading the 3D Mark benchmarks wrong the GTX 295 is the better card. I'm an Nvidia man myself. Been using Nvidia based cards for 10 years.
:)

Does it have physx enabled?

Remember that a GTX295 is two cards - 260 and 275

chiefnz
31-10-2009, 12:13 PM
The other thing to remember here is that the 295GTX is a dual GPU board, it has 2 cores, where as the 5870 Radeon only has one core... I think they will be releasing a dual core variant of the 5870 series card right about now possibly mid November codenamed Hemlock XT along with cutdown versions of the 5870 Juniper XT and Juniper LE.

Early next year AMD/ATi are looking to start production of its 32nm wafer as it introduces Redwood XT (HD5670), Redwood PRO (HD5650) and Cedar XT (HD5550) these cards are rumoured to consume very little power and the latter 2 are expected to cost less than US$100.00.

So exciting things happening in the world of GPU's.

cheers,

Speedy Gonzales
31-10-2009, 12:28 PM
I could say the same for nvidia drivers. Theyre crap. Thats one reason, why none of these have Nvidia cards. They crash more, than anything else.

The ATI drivers isnt the only install that needs .NET. Programs do as well (ie:cdburnerxp, if you use it). And unless you install whatever version that's required, the program wont work

Blam
31-10-2009, 02:36 PM
TBH a 4890 would probably suffice for a few years...

Trev
31-10-2009, 04:45 PM
I could say the same for nvidia drivers. Theyre crap. Thats one reason, why none of these have Nvidia cards. They crash more, than anything else.

The ATI drivers isnt the only install that needs .NET. Programs do as well (ie:cdburnerxp, if you use it). And unless you install whatever version that's required, the program wont work

I have never had any problems with Nvidia drivers.
:)

qazwsxokmijn
31-10-2009, 06:02 PM
Remember that a GTX295 is two cards - 260 and 275
No it's not. It's 2x 275s.

DeSade
31-10-2009, 11:41 PM
nVidia has never given me any trouble either.
I dunno really, always gone with nVidia but this time I am just not sure.

whellington
01-11-2009, 01:12 AM
No it's not. It's 2x 275s.

I'm pretty sure its 275 and 260

The GTX 295 MARS is said to have the same performance as 2x275


Officially launched yesterday at CES, the GTX 295 is nVidia's latest top-end graphics card and, as that preamble will have suggested to you, it uses two GTX 280 chips working together in a single card (just like SLI but on one card) to theoretically hand the competition its own proverbials. In actual fact, the GTX 295 isn't quite two fully-fledged GTX 280s in so much as the clock speeds of the two chips have been lowered to the same as that of the GTX 260. Basically, the two cores run at 576MHz with the shader clock set to 1,242MHz. Memory speed has also been reduced to 1,998MHz.

qazwsxokmijn
01-11-2009, 01:18 AM
I'm pretty sure its 275 and 260

The GTX 295 MARS is said to have the same performance as 2x275
They're not two different GPUS though. They are the same GPUs, not really sure which exactly. I'm assuming each GPU is an underclocked 280.

DeSade
01-11-2009, 05:37 PM
Thought about this some more. Can I get opinions on the following please.

4890 x2 in Crossfire
OR
GTX 295

qazwsxokmijn
01-11-2009, 06:02 PM
I'd go for whichever is the cheapest.

Just make sure you have sufficient PSU.

DeSade
01-11-2009, 06:14 PM
I have a Corsair 750 PSU so I think that is sufficient for either of those setups.

Cheapest of those two does not concern me, best performance and future performance is the focus.

evrypc
01-11-2009, 06:28 PM
In my experience Nvidia seems more powerful but with a bigger price, just like Intel and AMD. I suggest you buy two cards and put them in crossfire.

DeSade
01-11-2009, 06:34 PM
Traditionally that is how I have seen it as well.
Now ATI are giving nVidia a run for their money and actually making it a choice.

Blam
01-11-2009, 06:46 PM
I'd go for whichever is the cheapest.

Just make sure you have sufficient PSU.

Yea, there pretty close so I wouldn't really bother unless there are specific features(such as PhysX) that you need...

DeSade
01-11-2009, 06:50 PM
Well how about some user opinions....
Anyone running either of the configurations I am asking about?