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Theiceman77338
25-10-2009, 06:47 PM
Sorry for the lengthy question but I want to give an accurate description as possible so hopefully someone can help me. Last night I decided to reformat my hard drive and start from scratch (Toshiba Satellite notebook utilizing Windows XP Home Edition) at first I tried to run the XP CD right from the start menu. It DID boot up at which point I was asked for a product key. I then remembered ďwait I canít do it from here I have to do it from the start up.ĒI shut the computer down and restarted it. Upon entering the setup I could not delete the partition (it said files were being used) this led me to think that I was in fact still booting from the hard drive and not the CD. I COULD NOT get it to boot from the CD. (Using a generic XP CD) I even changed the primary boot up drive to CD-ROM as the primary instead of the hard drive. Still no luck, the hard drive was then extracted and stuck into an external case and then formatted via another computer.

The PROBLEM???

Upon sticking the hard drive back in I am now receiving a message that states NTLDR (NT loader is missing) press Ctrl+ALT+Delete to restart. This would seem normal because the hard drive is no longer there being that I formatted it from the external case. So I assumed two things, either it is still trying to boot off the hard drive or the CD-ROM is bad (however I donít believe itís a bad CD drive because if you recall I was able to boot from the start up menu at which point I was asked for a product key) So I am assuming the CD drive is good. Still to be safe I did take out and swap the CD drive (thinking it might be bad) but still same message as above. I replaced it back with the original CD drive because I am pretty sure it is not the drive. So now I am stuck. I canít get it to boot from the CD drive no matter what I do Any suggestions? Thank you kindly everyone for their help.

Blam
25-10-2009, 06:51 PM
Welcome to PF1:)

Are you sure you saved when you changed the boot order?

Blam

Theiceman77338
26-10-2009, 04:12 AM
Thank you for the welcome

Yes I did go back and check and the change was saved.

On a side note, this may sound like a dumb question but it is a thought, if I took the hard drive back out, stuck it back in the external enclosure and hooked it to my desktop is there a way Windows XP could be loaded from my desktop onto the hard drive via that method? I'm at a standstill right now and my brain has been going in circles all night trying to think of another method. Again thank you all for the help

KarameaDave
26-10-2009, 08:53 AM
You could try to:
Put the hard drive in the external case,
Delete the partition(s) completely, not just format them.
Put it back in the laptop and see if it boots from the CD then.

gary67
26-10-2009, 08:54 AM
NO that won't work. Can you put the CD in a working computer and check it by right clicking it in my computer and explore, might be the CD is bad

southern_jas
26-10-2009, 11:10 AM
Just a quick thought - you haven't selected USB CDROM as the first boot device rather than CDROM have you? It sounds like the system is not attempting to boot from the CDROM and is going straight to the HDD.

As discussed one reason could be a faulty CD so if you can eliminate that in another machine that leaves the CDROM in your system now being faulty or the BIOS not set to boot from the CDROM drive first.

In the BIOS does the CDROM appear when you view the system devices? Just wondering if maybe a power ir connectort cable was knocked loose for it when the HDD has been taken out and put back in

Theiceman77338
26-10-2009, 03:16 PM
Thank you all for you help and opinions, they are MUCH appreciated. Here is what I have done today. I did get a generic windows XP CD (Tried it in my home desktop and it worked fine so the CD is good) I then purchased a brand new external CD ROM drive to COMPLETELY eliminate the possibility of a bad drive. Still no luck, this was even after having changed the boot up settings in the bios menu to boot from CD-ROM, or FDD (I tried both ways). Someone above left a message telling me to take out the drive stick in an external casing and format it via another computer but that was already done. That is actually how I got to this point here.

Another idea was brought to my attention that I wanted to run by everyone. A friend stated that “it is possible” to have more than bios screen?? (His theory is that while I am changing the settings in one bios section, the computer is still defaulting to start on the hard drive leading us to think that there might be a secondary bios screen. Does anyone know if this is true? Also, WHAT do I do from here because I am STUCK. I have been banging my head against the wall all day trying to figure this out.

Speedy Gonzales
26-10-2009, 03:21 PM
No theres only one bios screen / and settings. Since the cd is external is there a USB option in the BIOS to boot from? (it wont be the cd option, it'll looking for the internal cd to boot from)

Theiceman77338
26-10-2009, 04:08 PM
How do you delete the partition from external enclosure? You are correct that it was only formatted but how do I delete it?

Theiceman77338
26-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Speedy,

I was thinking that same thing for the last hour or so, perhaps the computer is not recognizing the external drive either. Upon entering the bios system the options to choose from are HDD (Hard drive) LAN CD ROM and FDD. The two I have tried is FDD and CD ROM. Any suggestions or thoughts?

gary67
26-10-2009, 05:25 PM
You need to enable booting from USB. Connect the USB CD ROM first. boot into the BIOS, enable USB booting if it is an option and Then look for the USB CD under the USB options. If it is there enable it and than save and boot. Not all Motherboards support USB booting though. Whats your motherboard? Or the exact model number of your laptop?

Speedy Gonzales
26-10-2009, 05:25 PM
I would say, unless there's a BIOS update that puts a USB option in it, there's no way you're going to boot from an external USB device

gary67
26-10-2009, 05:28 PM
HI Speedy yes until we know the mobo we can't see if the option exists

Theiceman77338
28-10-2009, 01:05 AM
You Guys are all great, I want to thank you all for your help and advice, there was no USB option so it has been deemed to be a bad CD-ROM. According to the tech, BOTH drives that I tried were bad which is why it didn't work when the drive was switched. So I am forced to buy a new CD drive becuase to "my" understanding that would be the only way to load XP back on to the unit.

gary67
28-10-2009, 06:50 AM
Sounds like it they can be found for under $70 usually

Blam
28-10-2009, 09:02 AM
Around $50 if you shop around..

bk T
28-10-2009, 10:15 AM
Have you tried to perform a full system restore from the restore partition?

Press and hold Alt + 0 (zero) keys while booting; then follow the on-screen instructions to complete the restoration to factory defaults. This of course, I am assuming that you've not deleted the restore partition.

inphinity
28-10-2009, 12:17 PM
Did you try to boot from that CD in another machine, or just open it from within Windows? By "Generic" XP CD, can you clarify what you mean please? Sounds like either the BIOS is not even trying to boot from that CD, or the CD is not bootable.