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HamieSam
07-10-2009, 10:33 AM
Just did a build on www.ascent.co.nz goes like this:

Case - Cooler Master CM storm scout - $190
MB - Asus p6t 1366 socket - $470
CPU - intel i7 920 2.66ghz - $540
HD - 2x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 750gb 7200rpm 32mb cache - $265
Optical - LG dvd writer GH22NP20
Memory - OCZ intel i7 xmp triple channel kit, xtc heat spreader 3x2gb ddr3-1600 - $290
GPU - XFX GX-260X-AHBF black edition GTX 260 896mb - $388
PSU - Corsair TX750 ATX PSU - $255
OS - Vista Home premium 64bit with free upgrade to win7 - $260
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totaling $2680 (they dont build just send parts)

I am wanting to build around a $2000 and want to know what parts to change slightly, or if it would be cheaper to buy elsewhere. Also want to know if it is a good build mix :) play games like Counter strike source, WoW, Anno4, HoN. Also might be doing some design work on it. Thanks for your help in advance.

whellington
07-10-2009, 10:37 AM
If you're planning to upgrade to the GTX 300, HD 5870+ the CM storm scout aren;t compatible

HamieSam
07-10-2009, 10:48 AM
Oh side note, heard was better to have 2 hard drives running in raid 0 is it to get better speeds. Any info on this? this is y i have 2 750gs instead of 1x 1500g

whellington
07-10-2009, 10:53 AM
http://iforce.co.nz/i/52fb0kt5.png (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=52fb0kt5.png)

This build has a better CPU and graphic card for gaming and its also cheaper too! You can downagrde the psu to a 620/650 cause you dont really need a 750W psu unless your planning to get 3 graphic cards or 100+ hdds

You can also get CL to build the system for you heres an example of a system cl has built in a lancool:

http://iforce.co.nz/i/bve2wvai.jpg (http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=bve2wvai.jpg)

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2009, 10:55 AM
RAID 0 may make things faster but its not the most reliable. If one hdd fails the other hdd will fail too

Blam
07-10-2009, 11:56 AM
Just did a build on www.ascent.co.nz (http://www.ascent.co.nz) goes like this:

Case - Cooler Master CM storm scout - $190
MB - Asus p6t 1366 socket - $470
CPU - intel i7 920 2.66ghz - $540
HD - 2x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 750gb 7200rpm 32mb cache - $265
Optical - LG dvd writer GH22NP20
Memory - OCZ intel i7 xmp triple channel kit, xtc heat spreader 3x2gb ddr3-1600 - $290
GPU - XFX GX-260X-AHBF black edition GTX 260 896mb - $388
PSU - Corsair TX750 ATX PSU - $255
OS - Vista Home premium 64bit with free upgrade to win7 - $260
---------------------
totaling $2680 (they dont build just send parts)

I am wanting to build around a $2000 and want to know what parts to change slightly, or if it would be cheaper to buy elsewhere. Also want to know if it is a good build mix :) play games like Counter strike source, WoW, Anno4, HoN. Also might be doing some design work on it. Thanks for your help in advance.

Replace the i7 920 with an 860. Should be sufficient for what you plan to do. Even an i5 would do..

Also, unless you really need the extra features, then get the cheapest P7P55D-LE. That should shave another $300 off...

And replace the GTX 260 with a 4890 or 4870.


Oh side note, heard was better to have 2 hard drives running in raid 0 is it to get better speeds. Any info on this? this is y i have 2 750gs instead of 1x 1500g

Don't bother. You won't notice a difference.

And speedy, if one drive fails the other doesn't, you just lose whatever data was on that drive:p

utopian201
07-10-2009, 12:26 PM
And speedy, if one drive fails the other doesn't, you just lose whatever data was on that drive:p

I thought RAID0 splits files across both hard drives. If you lose one half of the file, then you have basically lost the whole file; one half of a file is useless without the other half...

Blam
07-10-2009, 12:32 PM
I thought RAID0 splits files across both hard drives. If you lose one half of the file, then you have basically lost the whole file; one half of a file is useless without the other half...

Yes, thats what I meant:p

nofam
07-10-2009, 12:38 PM
I thought RAID0 splits files across both hard drives. If you lose one half of the file, then you have basically lost the whole file; one half of a file is useless without the other half...

It doesn't split them as such it just uses the two drives (say 750Gb a piece) as one 750Gb drive with the ability to read/write simultaneously (hence the theoretical increase in speed) - Blam was just being slightly pedantic (but correct) :)

RAID 0 is a totally interdependent array; if either drive fails, the other is still 'ok' but data is inaccessible.

That's why RAID 1+0 was invented.

pctek
07-10-2009, 02:02 PM
Replace the i7 920 with an 860. Should be sufficient for what you plan to do. Even an i5 would do..

Also, unless you really need the extra features, then get the cheapest P7P55D-LE. That should shave another $300 off...

And replace the GTX 260 with a 4890 or 4870.



I agree.
And brands: MB and GPU - Asus or Gigabyte.
Optical: Pioneer, Sony or ASUS

And if you have a PC already, why not just do an upgrade?

somebody
07-10-2009, 02:13 PM
Oh side note, heard was better to have 2 hard drives running in raid 0 is it to get better speeds. Any info on this? this is y i have 2 750gs instead of 1x 1500g

I have a RAID-0 striped across 4 disks. There is definitely a performance boost, so in my opinion is worth it. I picked up 4 of the cheapest drives I could find (160GB each) and have a RAID-0 striped partition for OS/programs, and RAID-10 for data. I do daily backups of "C:" drive so that if I do lose a disk, I can just replace it and reimage back to where I was.

In terms of the whole "lose one disk, lose the lot" argument, I don't see it being a problem. If I had one 500GB drive, and that died, I'd lose all my data. If I had a RAID-0 array of 4x 160GB drives, and one dies, I'd lose all my data. I'd still have to make a warranty claim on one disk, and wait for a replacement before I could get my machine back up. In a practical sense there is no difference - you're no worse off having two drives striped, compared to having one drive on its own.

The argument is only valid if you're comparing RAID-0 with RAID 1, 10, 5, or other resilient RAID formats.

HamieSam
07-10-2009, 02:22 PM
I have thought about doing an upgrade i have a ninja case, ive thought about getting my engineering mate to do a hole in the top for extra extraction. isnt the i7 860 the same price as the i7 920 anyway? or is the price in the mb and ram?

whellington
07-10-2009, 03:53 PM
I have thought about doing an upgrade i have a ninja case, ive thought about getting my engineering mate to do a hole in the top for extra extraction. isnt the i7 860 the same price as the i7 920 anyway? or is the price in the mb and ram?

Its cheaper, faster clock speeds, cheaper MB

utopian201
07-10-2009, 05:13 PM
In terms of the whole "lose one disk, lose the lot" argument, I don't see it being a problem. If I had one 500GB drive, and that died, I'd lose all my data. If I had a RAID-0 array of 4x 160GB drives, and one dies, I'd lose all my data.

Your chances of losing data are 4x higher with your setup than 1 hard drive. Say the chance of failure is 1%. Your chance of data loss with 1 500gb is 1%. With 4 drives, you only need any one of those drives to fail for you to lose all your data meaning 4X1% = 4% chance of data loss.

somebody
07-10-2009, 06:30 PM
Your chances of losing data are 4x higher with your setup than 1 hard drive. Say the chance of failure is 1%. Your chance of data loss with 1 500gb is 1%. With 4 drives, you only need any one of those drives to fail for you to lose all your data meaning 4X1% = 4% chance of data loss.

Hmm... you're right.

pctek
07-10-2009, 06:52 PM
I have a RAID-0 striped across 4 disks.


http://www.overclockercafe.com/Articles/RAID/pg_2.htm

pctek
07-10-2009, 06:53 PM
I have thought about doing an upgrade i have a ninja case, ive thought about getting my engineering mate to do a hole in the top for extra extraction.

So unless you're sick of its looks why not keep it?
Extra holes aren't necessary, it has case fans.......

HamieSam
08-10-2009, 09:10 AM
well i would prefer the CM Scout :P but yeah its done me good. And its only got one 120m intake and one 120m extraction, well at least i think those r the sizes. It had a 80mm (i think) side fan but it whirs like a cow on heat.

whellington
08-10-2009, 09:30 AM
well i would prefer the CM Scout :P but yeah its done me good. And its only got one 120m intake and one 120m extraction, well at least i think those r the sizes. It had a 80mm (i think) side fan but it whirs like a cow on heat.

Don't get the scout if ur planning to get a card longer than 11.5" - HD 5870, GTX 300s+...

SolMiester
08-10-2009, 10:27 AM
If you want fast i/o, get a SSD, i believe you would need over 40 spindles to get random read\write close to the SSD...
o/s = SSD
Games\data = SATA2

HamieSam
08-10-2009, 11:23 AM
so are you saying 2 hdds? one ssd for OS and the sata2 for the game and program files/documents?

Gobe1
08-10-2009, 11:29 AM
hell yeah, we have just brought a new pc with 2x SSds in raid 0, what a screamer
And a 500Gb for storage