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GR8Metal
05-08-2009, 10:03 AM
Hi Guys,

I've received a call from a friend that wants me to check out her Mac computer. She said it pops up with a fake "anti virus scan", takes about 20 seconds and detects 49 viruses. I've only used a Mac a few times. Can Mac's get infected with spyware? :illogical

Cheers.

Blam
05-08-2009, 10:08 AM
Yes.

Scan it with iAntivirus.

Blam

Erayd
05-08-2009, 10:16 AM
It's most likely a webpage popup...

Sue
05-08-2009, 11:08 AM
No Spyware or Viruses in the wild for OSX Macs.
Only a Couple of Trojans attached to stolen software and Pron codex. User needs to enter password to install either.

Probably a Webpage popup: which will mention a registry which Macs do not have.
Macs also have EFI not BIOS..

wainuitech
05-08-2009, 11:31 AM
No Spyware or Viruses in the wild for OSX Macs.This articles says different (http://news.cnet.com/8301-10789_3-9973703-57.html)

MAC_H8ER
05-08-2009, 11:46 AM
in the last year or so we have had quite a few macs come in absolutley RIDDLED with spyware and viruses - our boss used to be a firm beliver that this simply was not possible now beleive otherwise after his mac fell prey to it

a few years back an infection on a mac was nothing but lies and hearsay but now the tables have certainly turned

macs are now very popular and "cool" and yuppies absolutley love them to show off to other people - trouble is they completley buy into the now myth that macs are super safe and immune to such things and proceed to click on every viagra spam email and bend over to scams asking for passwords ect

"but it cant get viruses! - its a mac!" simply doesnt cut it anymore - since they are so popular now crooks are beginning to see the macintosh as a very juicy tidbit to throw their wares at and hope some naive person clicks on their rouge ad saying they have 999999 viruses and need to pay $99 to some dodgy company for it to go away

so yes - from my experience i see that macs are just as easily infected as PC's are and maybe even more so due to the owners belief that macs cant get infected - its simply not the case these days

Safari
05-08-2009, 12:54 PM
This articles says different (http://news.cnet.com/8301-10789_3-9973703-57.html)

Surprised at you for bringing this up again as it has been done to death on previous posts.

It is a Trojan not a virus and as Sue mentioned it comes from pirated downloads or fake codecs on certain unsavoury sites.


I wouldn't call something you have to purposefully click to download, click to verify download , and then authenticate by password to install before it operates as any great threat. It would be hard to even call it malware! There is no way to accidentally initiate this program.

wainuitech
05-08-2009, 01:10 PM
While MAC's may not YET get viruses - just take a look at MAC_H8ER's post -- I spose its all made up and only one on the planet.

A few months back I was talking to one of the Local MAC repair Places here in WGTN, trying to help out a person who called me to fix a VERY SLOW and bug filled MAC - the repair business confirmed they are getting many MAC's in with infections.

If people want to keep their heads in the sand and think " it wont happen because I have a MAC" Blimey - are they in for a shock.


There is no way to accidentally initiate this program. Its called users not knowing what they are doing. Refer back to MAC_H8ER's Post.

Safari
05-08-2009, 01:16 PM
in the last year or so we have had quite a few macs come in absolutley RIDDLED with spyware and viruses - our boss used to be a firm beliver that this simply was not possible now beleive otherwise after his mac fell prey to it

a few years back an infection on a mac was nothing but lies and hearsay but now the tables have certainly turned

macs are now very popular and "cool" and yuppies absolutley love them to show off to other people - trouble is they completley buy into the now myth that macs are super safe and immune to such things and proceed to click on every viagra spam email and bend over to scams asking for passwords ect

"but it cant get viruses! - its a mac!" simply doesnt cut it anymore - since they are so popular now crooks are beginning to see the macintosh as a very juicy tidbit to throw their wares at and hope some naive person clicks on their rouge ad saying they have 999999 viruses and need to pay $99 to some dodgy company for it to go away

so yes - from my experience i see that macs are just as easily infected as PC's are and maybe even more so due to the owners belief that macs cant get infected - its simply not the case these days

RIDDLED with spyware and viruses you say.
Can't believe that for a moment, think you might be letting your bias affect your reasoning.
As there are no active viruses in the wild that affect macs your comments are a bit emotive.
Sure macs can get a virus but they don't have any effect on the mac itself as it can't be activated and the only problem is if the mac is also running Windows or that it might be passed onto another PC.

Safari
05-08-2009, 01:20 PM
While MAC's may not YET get viruses - just take a look at MAC_H8ER's post -- I spose its all made up and only one on the planet.

A few months back I was talking to one of the Local MAC repair Places here in WGTN, trying to help out a person who called me to fix a VERY SLOW and bug filled MAC - the repair business confirmed they are getting many MAC's in with infections.

If people want to keep their heads in the sand and think " it wont happen because I have a MAC" Blimey - are they in for a shock.

Its called users not knowing what they are doing. Refer back to MAC_H8ER's Post.

His username should give you some indication of the quality of his information.

wratterus
05-08-2009, 01:31 PM
Safari - you do need to get your head out of the sand. I've had experiences with infected Macs too, and it was quite painful. As Wainui said, an in the wild infection isn't the be all and end all of Mac malware. All it takes is a novice user not realizing what they are clicking on and infection can occur.

Mac users acting like you are now is why PC users think you are muppets! I don't think any less of a Mac because it can get infected with spyware, I've always treated Macs like they can, and nothing is about to change. Nothing is completely immune.

The question was 'Can Macs get infected with spyware'. And the answer is yes they can. Simple as that. ;)

MAC_H8ER
05-08-2009, 01:54 PM
RIDDLED with spyware and viruses you say.
Can't believe that for a moment, think you might be letting your bias affect your reasoning.

Hehehe, its quite funny you mention that - i like to think ive "matured" slightly since i made that username a few years back - i no longer have a "hate" for them - more of a deep seated fustration with the hardware, the OS and some of the users ive had to work with over the years ;)

as for my previous post im quite serious about it - in the last year we have had a influx of macintosh computers - right from a early clamshell ibook to a manic Quad core beast of a Mac Pro

on the macs i have had to work on there have been a few with virus infections - not lethal infections requiring damage control but infections none the less like you mentioned - spyware on the other hand is just as bad as PC's and maybe even worse - i say worse due to the fact most mac users i have come across wear proudly a claim that their mac is simply impervious to infection - maybe a few years back but certainly not now - but despite this the ads are still being pumped out claiming macs are nigh on impossible to infect - and in turn the users take less care and click on anything and everything with reckless abandon and then rip my head off over the phone as to why their mac keeps getting the beachball of death and safari keeps freezing cause the keylogger in the background has been so poorly coded by mr badguy it cant actually log keystrokes

im not terribly worried about macs getting infected all it does is keep me in a job so id hate to stomp on a good thing in my opinion :p

like i said previously, years ago yes, macs were far more impervious to infection than PC's - to the point it was simply impossible to infect one

but in the last year or 2 with the fancy "get a mac" ads and lots of yuppies with lots of cash and a burning desire to show up the neighbours macs have gotten very popular latley - to the point scammers and criminals have taken notice and are now beginning to create viruses and spyware and using many other tactics to get to macs and their users to either cause damage or get money out of it

mac users have been whinging for years about how great macs are and how they would eventually get popular and get back at the evil microsoft and blah blah blah - now its happened and the mac is immensly poplular and you didint expect this sort of thing to arise? that it was all going to be super happy fun times and that nothing bad could possibly happen?

Safari
05-08-2009, 02:41 PM
Safari - you do need to get your head out of the sand. I've had experiences with infected Macs too, and it was quite painful. As Wainui said, an in the wild infection isn't the be all and end all of Mac malware. All it takes is a novice user not realizing what they are clicking on and infection can occur.

Mac users acting like you are now is why PC users think you are muppets! I don't think any less of a Mac because it can get infected with spyware, I've always treated Macs like they can, and nothing is about to change. Nothing is completely immune.

The question was 'Can Macs get infected with spyware'. And the answer is yes they can. Simple as that. ;)

I am aware that any computer can get spyware or be affected by browser exploits including macs. I was talking about viruses actually and never mentioned spyware.

The original post mentioned an infection detected with 49 viruses which is just not possible.
As mentioned it will just be webpage popup.

As you appear to have had some experience with spyware infected macs would you mind telling us what you used to clean them out with.

Sweep
05-08-2009, 02:53 PM
Personally I'm not going near a Mac in case *I* get infected.

Nomad
05-08-2009, 02:57 PM
I have noticed that Macs have been getting more popular, at work, some colleagues just love them, after using PC laptops and then switching to a Mac laptop.

I have never really used one , PC has been better that I can upgrade it hardware-wise and it is cheaper to source. I did look at the Mac Pro desktop but was too $$ due to the iMac was only a dual core and I wanted more.

For the average person if they are not into system building / upgrading, do usual stuff like MS Office, the net, music and videos and naturally like Press F1's here who really like their iTouch / iPhones. They like the design and it goes naturally well with a Mac computer and like PC users iPhone owners they are willing to pay a premium for it.

wainuitech
05-08-2009, 03:31 PM
His username should give you some indication of the quality of his information. Not going to add to what others have put, as its obvious it is possible to get infections ( by the user)
:lol: You cant go by a persons log on name as to what they are like --

Please dont take any offence to this as its not meant to offend - But IF going by user names one must assume you are a web browser and not a real person :p Since safari is the name of MAC's web browser.

wratterus
05-08-2009, 03:35 PM
Either that or you're something tourists go on when they are in Africa. :p

One time I reinstalled, this was with an old OS9 machine. The latest one was OSX and that one eventually went to the regional Mac reseller.

Safari
05-08-2009, 04:06 PM
Not going to add to what others have put, as its obvious it is possible to get infections ( by the user)
:lol: You cant go by a persons log on name as to what they are like --

Please dont take any offence to this as its not meant to offend - But IF going by user names one must assume you are a web browser and not a real person :p Since safari is the name of MAC's web browser.

I don't get offended by anything said on this forum wainuitech, I have never in all the years I have been here reported a post to a mod.
The people that do should go elsewhere in my opinion. This forum used to be a lot of fun and having to say "Please dont take any offence" just shows how PC we have become.

Safari
05-08-2009, 04:25 PM
Either that or you're something tourists go on when they are in Africa. :p

One time I reinstalled, this was with an old OS9 machine. The latest one was OSX and that one eventually went to the regional Mac reseller.

Safari - ORIGIN late 19th cent.: from Kiswahili, from Arabic safara ‘to travel'.

I think we can ignore OS9 that is like comparing Win 3.1 problems.
So if you did not actually work on the latest OSX how did you know it was infected.
Between the OS9 and the latest OSX how many other macs have you cleaned out that had infections and what did you use.

The reason I ask is because of your comment "I've had experiences with infected Macs too" and I am just trying to gauge your actual experience as it directly relates to any comments you make on this thread.

Please dont take any offence to this as its not meant to offend.

wainuitech
05-08-2009, 04:31 PM
I don't get offended by anything said on this forum wainuitech, I have never in all the years I have been here reported a post to a mod.
The people that do should go elsewhere in my opinion. This forum used to be a lot of fun and having to say "Please dont take any offence" just shows how PC we have become. Like your style :thumbs:

Only posts I have reported are :spam

No harm in having a bit of fun sometimes. Some people can take things the wrong way though sometimes.

I think we all agree you have to have a bit of a sense of humor in PC repairs / Servicing ( no matter what the OS) -- If you didn't it would drive a person insane.

The PC I'm taking back in a minute - They love downloading the Poker games - get infections - I clean them out - they re-download them even after telling what damage they do ---and around it goes again :)

wratterus
05-08-2009, 04:36 PM
Please dont take any offence to this as its not meant to offend.

I don't get offended. :thumbs: And never report anything apart from spam or new members being muppets. I support free speech and almost everything that goes along with it. :D

You're right, the OS9 machine doesn't count, just thought I'd mention it cause we all like splitting hairs so much, as the question was Mac related, not OSX related ;)

Anyway, this OSX machine.

It was slow, would take around 5 mins to get to the desktop. The dock wouldn't operate properly, and when Safari was opened multiple windows would keep opening directing to pron sites and various other drivel. I basically tried to manually navigate around the hard drive and delete stuff that looked sus, but in the end I didn't have the knowledge to clean it out. There seemed to be an application installed that was triggering the popups, but I was unable to remove it. I am guessing it was originally knowingly installed.

hueybot3000
05-08-2009, 04:39 PM
Spyware, Trojans and viruses are all the same thing in my book, they all do things to a computer that they arent supposed to.

And anything connected to the internet is connected to millions of scripts/software that are designed to wreck havock on the user, regardless of OS.

Safari - Because you havent found a virus/anything on a mac doesnt mean that the other few billion people in this world havent.

ps. I hate macs, they are cool as toys and they look stunning but flag using it for anything other than internets

mikebartnz
05-08-2009, 09:46 PM
All it takes is a novice user not realizing what they are clicking on and infection can occur.
Yes I suspect most if not all are social engineering.

nedkelly
05-08-2009, 10:12 PM
If i can stick my :2cents: in here please.
I have been working with macs for about 10 years from OS8 till now. Have not had any kind of virus or spyware attack me on any of the macs that I run and have been looking over. Remember somewhere earlier in the thread some one said something about Popup windows, of the cases of problems that I have had to deal with it has been some one clicking on a popup which downloads and exe to their machine which Mac OS X can not open, and the default program happens to be Parallels or something like that which virtuals Windows on a mac. Then the spyware gets out of the partitioned hard drive using the Virtual operating system and then starts to play with OS X system files through the Virtual.

limepile
05-08-2009, 10:22 PM
Apple released a lot of security updates for previous releases of Safari, it was known to have issues and the new version is much safer, that said common sense is in short supply around the town it seems.

iAntivirus only works on Leopard, ClamXav is a good antivirus for Tiger ( please donate if you use it )

Macs self defrag, but only when you shut them down, I leave mine on for weeks and notice a significant slowdown in that time, then I close it and wait a short time whilst it sorts itself out.

" ps. I hate macs, they are cool as toys and they look stunning but flag using it for anything other than internets ",
mmm, graphic design , web page building, music and movie editing, 3d animation, seems to me that a lot of the world finds a use for Macs. Most design houses prefer them. I cannot tell you how much my creative life has been enhanced and made easier by acquiring a Mac, hell, I can even Game on mine.

This constant bickering over whose is best gets tiresome, Ford or Holden ?

nedkelly
05-08-2009, 10:24 PM
Remember The Lord Of The Rings trilogy was made on macs, and quite old ones at that