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Trev
31-07-2009, 10:03 AM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10587762
No, lets go back to the days when all bars/pubs closed at 6pm.
:)

wratterus
31-07-2009, 10:19 AM
4AM all the way. Party on! :punk

prefect
31-07-2009, 10:24 AM
Overseas they can pissup till morning why cant we?
6 oclock closing was a thing to get munitions workers home in ww1 and 2 they just swilled down the piss like pigs and took flagons home.

kenj
31-07-2009, 11:29 AM
Overseas they can pissup till morning why cant we?
6 oclock closing was a thing to get munitions workers home in ww1 and 2 they just swilled down the piss like pigs and took flagons home.

Aaah, I remember it well. :o

Ken

wratterus
31-07-2009, 11:44 AM
Over in Europe you can party till the sun comes up - NZ's clubs don't exactly stay open all hours at the moment, but if the closing time was made even earlier, we would get a reputation as a 'granny nation' and I'm sure it would impact on young tourists holidays or OE decisions.

nofam
31-07-2009, 11:52 AM
Overseas they can pissup till morning why cant we?
6 oclock closing was a thing to get munitions workers home in ww1 and 2 they just swilled down the piss like pigs and took flagons home.

It's, yet again, a case of a handful of drunken drongos ruining it for the rest of us. . . . .I really don't think closing the bars earlier will make the slightest bit of difference, as they'll just swill it down faster like you say.

Those who like to go down the local for a few quiets will still do so responsibly, and those who like to go out to get smashed, and then get into a punch up will also continue to do so.

Digby
31-07-2009, 12:31 PM
x2
Its the ones that get drunk and aggressive that they should aim at. Not responsible drinkers just wanting to have a good time.
Bring back the laws which said you cannot be drunk in a public place and bring in one against foul language and ENFORCE them like crazy.
But I do think the drinking age should not have been lowered to 18 and that raising it back to 20 would be good. Or once again really enforce the age of 18 and bring in heavy penalties for drinkers who are under 18.
And don't put the price up so that us older ones get penalised !
And start a pr campaign that says binge drinking is not OK.

SolMiester
31-07-2009, 12:43 PM
I have to say I'm getting tired of groups calling for changes that effect all due to actions of the few.
When will we get a governments to tackle the causes instead of looking to kneejerking for solutions to the symptoms

R2x1
31-07-2009, 12:52 PM
I have to say I'm getting tired of groups calling for changes that effect all due to actions of the few.
When will we get a governments to tackle the causes instead of looking to kneejerking for solutions to the symptoms
When pigs fly (and that is not swine flu).

nofam
31-07-2009, 01:02 PM
I have to say I'm getting tired of groups calling for changes that effect all due to actions of the few.
When will we get a governments to tackle the causes instead of looking to kneejerking for solutions to the symptoms

Pretty sure this is the sort of thing people were accusing the previous government of; maybe National are truly a centre-right government? :D

prefect
31-07-2009, 01:17 PM
[QUOTE=SolMiester;805843]I have to say I'm getting tired of groups calling for changes that effect all due to actions of the few.
When will we get a governments to tackle the causes instead of looking to kneejerking for solutions to the symptoms[/QUOTE


I am 100% with Solmiester just because some people cant handle their piss doesn't mean laws should affect people who can handle their piss.
So what about binge drinking its just another name for drinking to get drunk which is a European tradition for thousands of years.
I know some people might hate this and I am not flaming or trolling but imo I reckon just a few drinks is a waste of time, If you are going to drink do decent job out of it or dont bother drinking at all.
Difference is I dont fight, drive or vandalize stuff when I am pissed
When I am pissed my sad miserable life for a while is happy the music sounds better, all jokes are funny and best thing of all you can get the courage in the bottle to do things you wouldnt normally do.

nofam
31-07-2009, 01:35 PM
When I am pissed my sad miserable life for a while is happy the music sounds better, all jokes are funny and best thing of all you can get the courage in the bottle to do things you wouldnt normally do.

:( Damn bro. . . . .

bob_doe_nz
31-07-2009, 01:37 PM
:( Damn bro. . . . .

He's a westie. What did you expect :p

Richard
31-07-2009, 02:03 PM
I am 100% with Solmiester just because some people cant handle their piss doesn't mean laws should affect people who can handle their piss.
So what about binge drinking its just another name for drinking to get drunk which is a European tradition for thousands of years.
I know some people might hate this and I am not flaming or trolling but imo I reckon just a few drinks is a waste of time, If you are going to drink do decent job out of it or dont bother drinking at all.
Difference is I dont fight, drive or vandalize stuff when I am pissed
When I am pissed my sad miserable life for a while is happy the music sounds better, all jokes are funny and best thing of all you can get the courage in the bottle to do things you wouldnt normally do.[/QUOTE]

Man, that's sad. :horrified

Greg
31-07-2009, 03:20 PM
Bars should be allowed to open 24/7 if they choose. What the heck is wrong with this primeval country!?

pctek
31-07-2009, 04:08 PM
handful of drunken drongos ruining it for the rest of us. . . . ..

Those who like to go down the local for a few quiets

Bit more than a handful I'd say. NZ (along with some other countries) does have a drinking culture problem. Most people I've seen seem to drink like pigs until they fall over.

Who goes to "Have a few quiets" at 2 in the morning anyway?

Greg
31-07-2009, 06:47 PM
Who goes to "Have a few quiets" at 2 in the morning anyway?
Well you may have noticed some of my posts are in the small hours of the morning. Some of us work back-to-front hours at times.

Having said that I haven't been to a pub in about 10 years, apart from a few drinkies at the airport bar when I've been travelling.

gary67
31-07-2009, 07:07 PM
Ha, close them at 5pm up the drinking age to 30. Seriously stop selling alcohol at supermarkets would be a real start. If it was only available in pubs it would be a lot easier to regulate

mikebartnz
31-07-2009, 07:39 PM
x2
Its the ones that get drunk and aggressive that they should aim at. Not responsible drinkers just wanting to have a good time.
Bring back the laws which said you cannot be drunk in a public place and bring in one against foul language and ENFORCE them like crazy.
But I do think the drinking age should not have been lowered to 18 and that raising it back to 20 would be good. Or once again really enforce the age of 18 and bring in heavy penalties for drinkers who are under 18.
And don't put the price up so that us older ones get penalised !
And start a pr campaign that says binge drinking is not OK.
I've often been drunk in a public place but I don't have a tendency to show it.

ubergeek85
31-07-2009, 07:42 PM
I can see the logic in raising it to 20 for supermarkets/the like, you can be kicked out of a pub.

But again, it is penalizing alot for the actions of, well, not a few, but you get the idea. Sure, I'm 18, I don't want to have to toddle off to the pub for a drink.

As for prefect, I want to hate what you said, but I agree with you somewhat. So long as you're not causing trouble (IE driving/beating up some random/etc), you should be allowed to drink however you want. Some might disagree, but it's a free country. Anything else is a nanny state.

mikebartnz
31-07-2009, 07:48 PM
Bit more than a handful I'd say. NZ (along with some other countries) does have a drinking culture problem. Most people I've seen seem to drink like pigs until they fall over.

Who goes to "Have a few quiets" at 2 in the morning anyway?
In my travels Norway was the worst place I struck for alchies and yet a country like France or Italy where drinking happened throughout the day did not show problems.
I don't tend to go to the pub at night until about eleven as nothing much happens before then.
The young today have it wrong as they drink like fish at home and the head to the pub at midnight rather than as we did it where we went to the pub and then found a party to get truly pissed.

Nomad
31-07-2009, 08:11 PM
In my travels Norway was the worst place I struck for alchies and yet a country like France or Italy where drinking happened throughout the day did not show problems.
I don't tend to go to the pub at night until about eleven as nothing much happens before then.
The young today have it wrong as they drink like fish at home and the head to the pub at midnight rather than as we did it where we went to the pub and then found a party to get truly pissed.

In my student days, haven't really went to a pub now since my 2nd year at uni which is about 8yrs ago.

People (and myself) drank because they want to get drunk, not cos they enjoy it or it taste good or they want to have a good occasion with people. They buy liqour in supermarkets because it is cheap so they buy beer and wine and spirits and may even mix it together, they even dig a hole in the beer can and suck it out as quick as possible and shaking ones head. They get high at home then they go to the pubs and nightclubs so they save money and get drunk. If you are not high you haven't done your job. You haven't met your goal. As a regular timetable people couldn't wait to get drunk Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. Sunday night was to do study or to get sober and get ready for the work week. Some would argue that weekdays you study, Saturday with mates and Sunday with your partner.

In fact at uni in my days they said during exam times, if you take your textbooks to a pub you get a special deal.

I haven't worked in a bar, would like to know from others is it hard to tell a person is drunk to determine if you are going to serve a drink to them?

IMO I would think that 2am is not that great and I have undecided with raising the drinking age. In a way I think if you are going to have nightclubs this is a issue we are gonna have.

hueybot3000
31-07-2009, 08:28 PM
If you are going to drink do decent job out of it or dont bother drinking at all.
Difference is I dont fight, drive or vandalize stuff when I am pissed


Agree and disagree, if your going to drink, then get smashed. But I often (most nights) will have 2-4 drinks after work just to calm myself down for the night



I haven't worked in a bar, would like to know from others is it hard to tell a person is drunk to determine if you are going to serve a drink to them?


As far as I can tell it isnt regulated, I've been served in stupid states, hell at the Speights Ale house here in chch ive pissed on myself while tryin to put the myself away and then been served straight after.

As long as you arent causing trouble who cares how much you drink. All they need to do is up the punishments for disorderly conduct while under the influence and people would stay at home and fight rather than in the most public place they can find.

mikebartnz
31-07-2009, 08:37 PM
They get high at home then they go to the pubs and nightclubs so they save money and get drunk.
From what I have seen that doesn't work as a young lad I flatted with in Napier while I worked on his house used to spend more money than I did even though he did most of his drinking at home. Used to do about $120 between midnight and 3am.

Nomad
31-07-2009, 09:19 PM
From what I have seen that doesn't work as a young lad I flatted with in Napier while I worked on his house used to spend more money than I did even though he did most of his drinking at home. Used to do about $120 between midnight and 3am.

I am talking about student flats ie., in my case Dunedin. Student flats are in walking distance to the pubs and city. People eat their dinner and get drunk at home then when it is 12am they start going to the pubs and nightclubs. In a public scene you can have music, dance and place to socialise be it those you know or those you do not know that you wanna meet up with .....

prefect
01-08-2009, 09:35 AM
One thing that amazes the pants off me is the belief that having lots of bottle stores causes problem drinking.
If a drinker wants drink he would run over broken glass with bare feet to get it.
I am not going to drink more because a liquor store opens up next to my house when before I had to drive 10 minutes to a store.
When I was growing up in Mot the Swan, Hotel Mot, Post Office, Riwaka, Travellers rest, Upper Moutere and Manoys wouldnt serve us 15 years old.
What did we do?
Drive over the Takaka hill to the rat trap to get some crates of DB, they served anyone with money and a heart beat.

Twelvevolts
01-08-2009, 09:09 PM
Prohibition or restrictions on alcohol don't work, even if the sensible sentencing types think it will. In fact, making drugs illegal doesn't work either, indeed countries that tolerate use of drugs like cannabis, have fewer problems and less usage than ones that don't.

So go ahead, raise the age, reduce the opening hours, and whatever other restrictions you can think of, and the net effect will be either nothing will change. or quite possibly things will get worse.

Allow bars to open when they want, allow anyone in a bar of any age, make all drugs legal and stop trying to "help" people by locking them up for their own good (unless of course they commit some other sort of crime).

There - that should get you wowsers going.

prefect
01-08-2009, 09:40 PM
I think young people today are just more clever than the previous generation.
When you think about it pissing up at home on cheap piss in the evening then going out around midnight is good idea.
Only need a few expensive drinks to keep the intoxication level up.
Nothing much has changed except the last generation of binge drinkers became old boring buggers married,with mortgages and worried about the property market. They resent the fact the young people are having fun and they cant because they are old
I think its absolutely despicable to make laws that impinge on responsible drinkers.
By responsible I mean pissed as a chook, happy drunk. No fighting, wrecking things, driving.

Twelvevolts
01-08-2009, 10:48 PM
I think young people today are just more clever than the previous generation.
When you think about it pissing up at home on cheap piss in the evening then going out around midnight is good idea.
Only need a few expensive drinks to keep the intoxication level up.
Nothing much has changed except the last generation of binge drinkers became old boring buggers married,with mortgages and worried about the property market. They resent the fact the young people are having fun and they cant because they are old
I think its absolutely despicable to make laws that impinge on responsible drinkers.
By responsible I mean pissed as a chook, happy drunk. No fighting, wrecking things, driving.

People used to go to the pub early because it closed at eleven. They then went out and drank flagons at parties until the same hour of the night they do now.

So all that changed was they tend to be on licensed premises later now - quite possibly a good thing.

You might find this incredibly hard to believe, but some old buggers have fun as well.

TideMan
01-08-2009, 11:51 PM
Did you notice that the person advocating these Draconian new restrictions on alcohol was Sir Geoffrey Palmer - an ex (LABOUR) Prime Minister.

It's a continuation of Helen's Nanny State, this time Wowser-ville.

But will John et al take any notice?

mikebartnz
02-08-2009, 03:47 AM
Did you notice that the person advocating these Draconian new restrictions on alcohol was Sir Geoffrey Palmer - an ex (LABOUR) Prime Minister.

It's a continuation of Helen's Nanny State, this time Wowser-ville.

But will John et al take any notice?
That is the man that tutors in law but has never actually practised it.

mikebartnz
02-08-2009, 03:56 AM
Aaah, I remember it well. :o

Ken
You piss head.:lol:

mikebartnz
02-08-2009, 03:58 AM
I think young people today are just more clever than the previous generation..
Stop talking ****.:D

Greg
02-08-2009, 04:46 AM
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ooh yeh
02-08-2009, 07:54 AM
I think it comes down to Personal Responsibility.

If you transgress you pay the penalty.

sarel
02-08-2009, 08:23 AM
Personally I agree with the closure at 2 - everybody should be asleep at that time (like me).

LOL:lol:

sarel

BobM
02-08-2009, 01:52 PM
Personally I agree with the closure at 2 - everybody should be asleep at that time (like me).

LOL:lol:

sarel
Just like me, flaked out! :D :D

hueybot3000
02-08-2009, 06:03 PM
na about 2 is time to turn the stove on and find the knives before heading out