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Twelvevolts
11-07-2009, 10:56 PM
I was watching the DVD of Jimmy Page playing live at Madison Square Garden back in 1973 in the film The Song Remains The Same. I've had a few opportunities to watch this film having seen it about ten times before it got on DVD, and ten or more so times since the DVD came out.

On the basis his playing in that concert alone, he has to be the best guitar player to have ever graced the planet.

Over to you Metla.

Speedy Gonzales
11-07-2009, 11:04 PM
Most people would say Jimi Hendrix was

Metla
11-07-2009, 11:16 PM
Jimi Hendrix was the greatest of his time, His time is long past.

Metla
11-07-2009, 11:19 PM
I have no idea, nor do I really care for the argument over who the best ever may be, if there is a best ever. I respect all the greats and plenty of the not so greats.


Though this blows me away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH4caZ1oaL8

Twelvevolts
11-07-2009, 11:30 PM
I have no idea, nor do I really care for the argument over who the best ever may be, if there is a best ever. I respect all the greats and plenty of the not so greats.


Though this blows me away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH4caZ1oaL8

Core blimey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlDdzNuJto4&feature=related

Hey I click on your links.

johcar
11-07-2009, 11:52 PM
Core blimey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlDdzNuJto4&feature=related

Hey I click on your links.

What the hell is the instrument he is playing in that link????

zqwerty
12-07-2009, 02:37 AM
Hendrix - feel and originality - unsurpassed

Greg
12-07-2009, 04:30 AM
!st - Rob_on_Guitar
2nd - Carlos Santana
3rd - Eric Clapton

Myth
12-07-2009, 07:57 AM
Any one of quite a few are quite good really

Joe Satriani
Steve Vai
Glenn Tipton
Vito Bratta (had a mate who played guitar, he said White Lion riffs were quite technical)
Jimi Hendrix

The best however, is likely to be an unknown

Trev
12-07-2009, 09:36 AM
I have no idea, nor do I really care for the argument over who the best ever may be, if there is a best ever. I respect all the greats and plenty of the not so greats.

I have to agree with Metla on this, but here are some of the mains ones I have heard and like.
Carlos Santana
Eric Clapton
David Gilmour
Snowy White
Jeff Beck
Brian May
Joe Walsh
Hank Marvin
and lots of unknowns I have on my DVDs.
:)

Dally
12-07-2009, 09:46 AM
Andre Segovia could play a bit

Metla
12-07-2009, 11:34 AM
Dave Murray. One of the greats.

Metla
12-07-2009, 11:41 AM
Hey I click on your links.

Of course you do, My links are awesome.

R2x1
12-07-2009, 11:56 AM
Arthur Smith? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-rS7vySix8)

Terry Porritt
12-07-2009, 12:07 PM
This may be your last chance to see Django Reinhardt, the Copyright Ghouls (Lobster Films) have pulled most, nearly all video clips of the master.

He lost the use of two fingers on his left hand in a caravan fire when a young man.

Clips of the the Quintette of the Hot Club of France (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsHyO7KyhME)

Sweep
12-07-2009, 12:17 PM
Andre Segovia could play a bit

That was the one I was trying to think of.

Classical Spanish Guitar

So two votes for him then.

Greg
12-07-2009, 01:15 PM
If you're thinking of classical guitarists, the Australian John Williams would be regarded by many as the greatest, especially in the Spanish style.

Greg
12-07-2009, 01:17 PM
[edit] duplicate post

Digby
12-07-2009, 02:37 PM
Yes, what is the definition of greatest ?
The fastest ? the most inventive ? the most varied in style ? the one wit the best technique ? the one who made the best lead breaks ?
You could also say that great means long lasting reputation by his fans.
On that basis Jimmy Page is certainly up there.
Jimmy Hendrix was a good guitarist, who created a new style, but you cannot say he was great because he could not handle his fame. (sadly)

hueybot3000
12-07-2009, 03:11 PM
Personally for mellow Mark Knopfler and for the good stuff Rob Flynn

Erayd
12-07-2009, 03:19 PM
Nobody has mentioned The Edge yet!?!?! U2's success is due in no small part to him...

Metla
12-07-2009, 03:21 PM
Thats because The Edge sucks, and so does his pretentious name.

Erayd
12-07-2009, 03:26 PM
Mmm, I have no idea how good he is technically, but in my personal opinion the resulting sound is great :D. Personally, I think that counts for more than technical skill (although technical skill is obviously a factor too).

Metla
12-07-2009, 03:46 PM
He might be awesome, I just hate everything he has ever done.

hueybot3000
12-07-2009, 03:50 PM
He might be awesome, I just hate everything he has ever done.

+1, hes not awesome and overuses the same effects again and again

R2x1
12-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Well, this lady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64S1Pwor5lM&feature=related) is coming on well with her lessons.

Trev
12-07-2009, 04:15 PM
Personally for mellow Mark Knopfler and for the good stuff Rob Flynn
Yes Mark Knopfler another one on my list, particularly in the album Love Over Gold, which I still don't get sick of playing after all these years.
:)

Metla
12-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Mark Knopfler > God.

I can listen to Dire Staits for hours, Its all kicked back but it just sizzles and swings without ever letting fly. Stunning.

And makes the Edge look like ****.:D

the_bogan
12-07-2009, 05:07 PM
I'm trying (not very hard) to find an online copy of Godgory - Sea of Dreams that hasn't been bastardised. Lovely little piece.

SurferJoe46
12-07-2009, 05:31 PM
Stevie Ray Vaughn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GSpbuFSr2o)
Bugs Henderson (http://www.bugshenderson.com/bh/index.asp)
Stevie Vai
Hendrix
Ry Cooder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoGkPTjZoBg)
Knopfler

Santana is good, but stuck in a constant tone groove and never gets out of it

Clapton is very good, but also kinda reserved and not very innovative

Don't forget Glenn Frey, Joe Walsh and Timothy B. Schmit (75% of The Eagles)

Erayd
12-07-2009, 05:45 PM
Mark Knopfler > God.

I can listen to Dire Staits for hours, Its all kicked back but it just sizzles and swings without ever letting fly. Stunning.

And makes the Edge look like ****.:D
That, I will agree with. Although that doesn't stop me liking the edge as well :p.

gary67
12-07-2009, 06:02 PM
Gary Moore especially for Parisienne walkways never fails to blow me away when I hear it it, whether it be the Blues version or the Rock version

Richard
12-07-2009, 06:48 PM
Nobody has mentioned 'Mr Guitar'.........Chet Atkins. ;)

nofam
12-07-2009, 06:59 PM
Impossible to say who the 'greatest' is as it's totally subjective, but as someone who's played guitar for 19 years, I can say without doubt that Steve Vai has the greatest technical mastery of anyone who's ever picked up the instrument.

If you look at what he can do with 6 (or 7!) strings, and how easy he makes virtuoso techniques seem, you can't go past him. There are plenty of technical wizards out there, but none of them have the expression, flair, and experimental vibe of Vai.

R2x1
12-07-2009, 07:08 PM
At least a couple of people would like this (http://www.guitar-tube.com/watch/mark-knopfler-chet-atkins-mix.html).
(Chet and Mark)

Terry Porritt
12-07-2009, 07:45 PM
At least a couple of people would like this (http://www.guitar-tube.com/watch/mark-knopfler-chet-atkins-mix.html).
(Chet and Mark)

Maybe make it three....I liked it too.

Here is the Django version of 'I'll see You In My dreams' (which incidently goes back to at least 1925)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJxehJ0Tbi0

Terry Porritt
12-07-2009, 08:11 PM
Maybe make it three....I liked it too.

Here is the Django version of 'I'll see You In My dreams' (which incidently goes back to at least 1925)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJxehJ0Tbi0

The tune was composed by Gus Kahn and Isham Jones in 1924, this the first recording:
http://www.redhotjazz.com/Songs/ishamjones/illseeyou.ram

kahawai chaser
12-07-2009, 08:29 PM
Santana (The survivor) - Had his first vinyl album I bought back in 1975 (Called Santana made in 1968/1969). Very percussion based, with a bit of fast/groove guitar that he still does today. Where are the others from the 60's? Including Jimmy Page - last I saw online he was giving out autographs for Brazilian street kids or similar...

Also Robin Trower - I had some of his vinyls...

Dally
12-07-2009, 08:45 PM
Greg - I think you'll find that John Williams, by his own admission, worshiped at the feet of Segovia.

Greg
12-07-2009, 09:10 PM
Greg - I think you'll find that John Williams, by his own admission, worshiped at the feet of Segovia.

I didn't know that.

But John Williams is quoted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Segovia) as saying:

* "I have to say, with the benefit of hindsight, that I don’t think he was a good teacher. He didn’t tell us what to aim for in the structure. For example, in a Bach suite [...]"[17]
* "The general mood in all of his classes was one of great fear. People were frightened because he made such an example of the people who failed and would get angry. Everyone knew that he was happiest when they imitated him."[17]
* "and my father was a great teacher... so that was the most important part of my teaching, not with Segovia!" [Segovia] was "a great inspiration for a young person," but "not a good teacher - he was a rather bad teacher. He was very simplistic and authoritarian... it doesn't actually help you as a musician."[18]
* "The Segovia gestures—extra vibrato and dwelling on a note or chord at a cadence—is not musical freedom. There has been a tendency among guitar players to think that doing these things for their own sake quite apart from the context of a piece of music as a whole, is in some way expressive. I view them as simply mannerisms[...]"[17] (On the other hand, some reviewers consider John Williams' modern approach as "stiff and standoffish", "prosaic", "seriously constricting the expressive range of his music making", etc.[19])

Anyway, it sure ain't my area of expertise.

Phil B
13-07-2009, 11:26 PM
No-one's mention Slash from Guns n Roses. I know he's been a bit quiet since they disbanded

GameJunkie
13-07-2009, 11:41 PM
john frusciante from the RHCP has to be right up there

rob_on_guitar
14-07-2009, 09:55 AM
A few of my faves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85zp1zVVDAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF1p8sawWJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFp-DlVNtk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJO_18sTbhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGDkk0jLr50&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHlODWd4GeM

Theres just far too many great guitarists and this post would be a million links.

R2x1
14-07-2009, 11:37 AM
No-one's mention Slash from Guns n Roses. I know he's been a bit quiet since they disbanded

I didn't realise they had ever banded. Opinions must vary ;)

rob_on_guitar
14-07-2009, 01:23 PM
To me slash was more popular than he was good. Im glad noone has said Kirk Hammet, he's terrible lol

nofam
14-07-2009, 03:24 PM
To me slash was more popular than he was good. Im glad noone has said Kirk Hammet, he's terrible lol

Yup - he's been playing the same pentatonic licks for 25 years.

Dave Mustaine is even worse though :yuck:

Metla
14-07-2009, 03:48 PM
Dave Mustaine is the king of killer riffs.

nofam
14-07-2009, 04:00 PM
Dave Mustaine is the king of killer riffs.

His rhythm playing has always been great agreed, but his soloing sucks the root; Holy Wars. . . .The Punishment Due is a great example: absolute killer signature riffs for both parts of the song, and some of Marty Friedmans best soloing, and then Dave's double-time stuff near the end of the song is just plain awful - screechy, repetitive nonsense.

Most of Countdown To Extinction a year later follows the same formula! :p

Metla
14-07-2009, 04:04 PM
Thats why he hired Marty Marty Friedman.:lol::D


Holy Wars, That album just blows me away. Think I may crank that one later tonight.

nofam
14-07-2009, 04:06 PM
Thats why he hired Marty Marty Friedman.:lol::D


Holy Wars, That album just blows me away. Think I may crank that one later tonight.

Yup - Rust In Peace is a dead-set classic; Holy Wars was one of the songs (along with War Pigs) that inspired me to pick up the guitar.

:punk

Trev
14-07-2009, 04:46 PM
Van Halen.
:)

hueybot3000
14-07-2009, 06:03 PM
what about buckethead? im not a huge fan but his some of his solo stuff is pretty cool

rob_on_guitar
15-07-2009, 10:48 AM
Buckethead is out of this world, he's been around alot longer than people think. I put him in the Vai catergory(sp?): Awesome technical ability but over all hard to listen to except a couple of songs. To much fretboard gymnastics and not enough solid songs.

nofam
15-07-2009, 12:28 PM
Buckethead is out of this world, he's been around alot longer than people think. I put him in the Vai catergory(sp?): Awesome technical ability but over all hard to listen to except a couple of songs. To much fretboard gymnastics and not enough solid songs.

Yeah he's kind of in that avant-garde category with guys like Allan Holdsworth, John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola etc. . . . . .technically amazing, but often pretty unlistenable.

Vai has always been a musician who just happens to rip it up fiercely, whereas other guys are just shredders or technically great, but have no musicality.

If you want some nutty playing, check out Freak Kitchen :thumbs

the_bogan
15-07-2009, 12:57 PM
Tony Joe White?

SurferJoe46
15-07-2009, 01:42 PM
Tony Joe White?

No.

He might be a good gaitor-guitman, but not all that great. He's slightly above Keb' Mo' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keb%27_Mo) for style, but not ability. There are so many other swamp-men in the US that you cannot even fathom the sheer number of them on the radio here. Some just get the "sound" by flatting their top E-string a little to get a raw edge on their tone.

You are bringing a whole different category (Delta Bluesmen) into the "Best Ax" question. Muddy Waters and Slim Harpo and a lot of the Bayou guitarists are 'way out in another field.

Henry James Townsend, Joe Willie "Pinetop" Perkins, Robert Lockwood, Jr., "Papa Charlie", McCoy, David Honeyboy Edwards and others abound here with much respect and devotion to their craft. They are NOT TOP-40 artists however. ,

For sheer guts and "musical presence" on stage or recordings and DVDs, you cannot beat ZZ Top (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZ_Top). Two guitars - (a bass and a rhythm/lead plus drums) completely fill the voids (of which there are none) in their music and style. I cite: "She's Got Legs" or "Eliminator" - the WHOLE album.


Their 2003 album - Mescalero, was too much synth I feel to really get into the music as there was a wall that blocked one from hearing the tones and feedback. I also hear a clicktrack in a few of the cuts.

Ah well - I digressed again. .

Metla
15-07-2009, 01:59 PM
Eliminator and everything that has come after it is incredibly weak ZZ Top material, All over produced and light weight synth pop.

Trev
20-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Peter Frampton. John Fogerty.
:)

Greg
20-07-2009, 06:51 PM
Yeah, x 2 @ Peter Frampton. He sure has some skills.

Twelvevolts
20-07-2009, 09:30 PM
My favourite guitarist these days is Ryan Jarman, and given he is now in the same band as another favourite Johnny Marr, then it makes it a must to see The Cribs when they get to New Zealand. Hopefully that is later this year.

Twelvevolts
20-07-2009, 09:33 PM
My favourite guitarist these days is Ryan Jarman, and given he is now in the same band as another favourite Johnny Marr, then it makes it a must to see The Cribs when they get to New Zealand. Hopefully that is later this year.

Oh and this video should keep even Metla interested for ten seconds. Caused a big stir in the UK for some reason, maybe the blood.

Metla
20-07-2009, 10:01 PM
Oh and this video should keep even Metla interested for ten seconds. Caused a big stir in the UK for some reason, maybe the blood.

Video fail.

R2x1
20-07-2009, 10:10 PM
No-one's mention Slash from Guns n Roses. I know he's been a bit quiet since they disbanded
Research tends to indicate he is the most popular guitarist ever - people are always wanting to try a slash at the pub, and every keyboard has two or three keys devoted to him.

(Two slash keys accompanied by a back-slash key.)

hueybot3000
20-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Slash is one fantastic guitarist but one thing that lets him down is nothing changes, hes good but is always playing the same sorta stuff as far as my ear can tell

On a random side note, alot of people think I look like axel (or axle?) rose. Not sure if thats a good thing or not

Twelvevolts
20-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Oh and this video should keep even Metla interested for ten seconds. Caused a big stir in the UK for some reason, maybe the blood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCNTYi9fHuo

or uncensored

http://heavensneverenough.blogspot.com/2008/04/mens-needs-uncensored.html

Metla
20-07-2009, 10:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCNTYi9fHuo

You taking the piss?, That was just ****, utter ****.

Twelvevolts
20-07-2009, 10:27 PM
You taking the piss?, That was just ****, utter ****.

Yeah I knew you wouldn't appreciate good music.

nofam
20-07-2009, 10:29 PM
Slash is one fantastic guitarist but one thing that lets him down is nothing changes, hes good but is always playing the same sorta stuff as far as my ear can tell

On a random side note, alot of people think I look like axel (or axle?) rose. Not sure if thats a good thing or not

Axl Rose - and I'm sorry dude, but I don't think it's a good thing. :D

Metla
20-07-2009, 10:33 PM
Yeah I knew you wouldn't appreciate good music.

My links are awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eABVwEgzIss

Twelvevolts
20-07-2009, 10:38 PM
Absolute sh*te, poor excuse for noise.

Metla
20-07-2009, 10:40 PM
:D

Viking metal kills brit-pop.

Twelvevolts
20-07-2009, 10:46 PM
:D

Viking metal kills brit-pop.

The Cribs would hardly be described as Brit Pop. Lo-Fi maybe, but Ignore The Ignorant I say.

Metla
20-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Sweet, They suck, No matter what label those "in the know" wish to hang off them.

Thor would slay them all for their lameness.

Metla
20-07-2009, 10:53 PM
And wtf, why has no one mentioned Dimebag?

Every so often I put on some Pantera and that mans mad skills just blow me away.The Pantera concert was one of the best I have ever been to.

Twelvevolts
20-07-2009, 10:58 PM
Sweet, They suck, No matter what label those "in the know" wish to hang off them.

Thor would slay them all for their lameness.

Biffy Clyro would blow them off the stage, or at least give them a Glasgow Kiss to show them who was top dog. Mon the biffy.

Sweep
09-08-2009, 09:25 PM
One I forgot to mention earlier.

Typed Peter into my music search looking for a Peter, Paul & Mary track.
I found it but also found Peter Posa doing White Rabbit.

Try this link which gives close ups of what looks like an electric guitar with eight strings.
Also you can see the finger work moving up and down the frets.

Before you ask I am not a guitar player. I can't even play "My dog has fleas" on a ukelele!

I do, however, know what I like listening to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXD4WjR5JU

Approx 7 minutes of music and it is not only the white rabbit on there.

Sweep
09-08-2009, 09:57 PM
Third track sounds like a re arranged model of "The Maorii Boys Question."

Why does a red cow give white milk when it's always eating green grass?

Terry Porritt
09-08-2009, 11:23 PM
I don't think anyone has mentioned Les Paul, without whom there may not be an electric guitar, born 1915, still playing at the Iridium Jazz Club.

Used to play every monday until last year, maybe still does, next session is August 10.

http://eventful.com/newyorkcity/venues/iridium-jazz-club-/V0-001-000229398-6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_5ubk2H4k

Sweep
09-08-2009, 11:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCNTYi9fHuo

or uncensored

http://heavensneverenough.blogspot.com/2008/04/mens-needs-uncensored.html

I had to go out and buy ear plugs.

SurferJoe46
10-08-2009, 04:26 AM
I don't think anyone has mentioned Les Paul, without whom there may not be an electric guitar, born 1915, still playing at the Iridium Jazz Club.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_5ubk2H4k

In 1949 or 1950, I lived with my peeps in maybe what might've been Connecticut - or somewhere else - and Les Paul/Mary Ford were across the street neighbors.

My father - who just passed away today - told me that we were in New Hampshire or Maine at the time - but I was so young that it might've not been there. Anyway - Les and Mary were there possibly in a vacation or Summer home as the Winters there are pretty harsh and I don't remember wearing much more than shorts and tee shirts. and there was sand and some unpaved roads and lots of the old fashioned power lines on tall poles running up the streets.

It's funny what images a kid makes on his memories - things that are not all that important to anyone else, but somehow stick to be called back into vision at later times.

I also seem to remember an arcade with a small merry-go-round and a shooting gallery and some pinball machines and a cotton candy seller there too. My mom took me there a lot. I guess it was really a vacation resort as I think back now.

At that time Les and Mary had a low-yield television station that broadcast for a short time, I believe on Friday and Saturday early evening or so, with them playing their music and generally talking about things they enjoyed. Not too sure, but I think that this was just for the local inhabitants as I know they also had some sort of a short TV show -which we could not see there as we were too far away from a broadcasting area like New York or Boston or whatever. This isn't very clear though in my memories.

I also believe that Mary's sister was on this show often, as Mary needed a back-up voice when they were performing live and the recorded double track would not be available. Here sister (name defies me now) would often be behind the curtains in the theater or performance arena, singing on a hidden mic just slightly post to Mary's voice to achieve the echo effect.

IMAGE (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Lesmary1.jpg)

Anyway - as a little kid I somehow was once or twice in his garage and there were a lot of mysterious things there: tape recorders, tubes (NZ= Valves) and wires and speakers and guitars. Oh, there were a lot of guitars! Some were opened up and disassembled and wires and stuff were sticking out of them.

I remember seeing the Gibson and Rickenbacher names on things and maybe if I squeeze my eyes real tight - I can see Ampex or RCA or Philco on some boxes which might have been amplifiers or tape recorders.

All I really know is that we considered him and his wife as the neighborhood "electronical" geniuses and they were revered and yes they were kinda spooky in the way that people respected them, if you follow the drift.

All in all, it is a very fond memory for me, albeit somewhat foggy.

But yes - Les Paul was prolly the best and greatest guitarist ever, if one thinks that at the time there were no other people doing what he did.


Perhaps the "greatest" title should be caveat-ed: "At or IN their time".

Greg
10-08-2009, 05:59 AM
So sorry to hear about your father Joe.

My condolences.

rob_on_guitar
10-08-2009, 06:25 AM
Yea Joe, sorry to hear about you dad too.

SurferJoe46
10-08-2009, 09:36 AM
Thanks guys. It was sudden but not totally unexpected. He's either 100 or 90 or somewhere in between. No-one knows for sure as he "prevaricated" about his age to join the Navy.

He also played two games of tennis up until about a year ago; every day and he played single against doubles. He had a serve that no-one could return.



He was scouted by the NY Yankees to play ball and when his dad wouldn't let him go, he joined the Navy.
He worked on the X-15 and later on with the SR-71 sub assemblies as a first-item inspector
He had both knees replaced.
He had a quad-bypass heart surgery
He fought prostate cancer and won
He had a black belt in Tae Kwon Do
He had a black belt in Judo or Judako, I don't know which.
He had a black belt in Karate
He had a brown belt in ballroom dancing
He had been shot twice: once in Korea while he was on deck of his submarine, rescuing survivors and once was shot in the Battle Of The Coral Sea on his submarine when he was rescuing more survivors of the ship they just torpedoed.
He hated fishing



He had a stroke and when that dropped him, we found out he had cancer of the liver and of his right lung (asbestos), severe arthritis and diabetes. He also was found to have a bad heart and all this and he never complained and never took any pain cures or pills.

Today I are an orphan.

Greg
10-08-2009, 09:56 AM
Crumbs Joe! He must have been a fascinating guy to talk to!

ps I are an orphan too!

Richard
10-08-2009, 10:53 AM
Your Dad must have certainly lived life to the full. Sorry to hear he has passed on.

whellington
10-08-2009, 10:56 AM
Joe Satriani