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jamesyboi
01-07-2009, 01:12 AM
everythings mad cheap compared to the days when I paid $2000 for a celeron 433.. I want to know if now is a good time to buy a new system (custom build I guess) or can we expect price drops any time soon?

These are some parts I scrambled together from pricespy......


ASRock G43Twins-FullHD Intel G43 Motherboard mATX $124.21

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400, 3.00GHz OEM $298.99

AcBel iPower 510W intelligent 20pin and 24pin Black Retail 12cm Fan Power Supply $110.25

Western Digital 640GB SATA 7200rpm hard drive $108.37

Corsair 4GB PC6400 DDR2 RAM 2x240-pin DIMMs Non ECC Unbuffered TWIN2X4096-6400C5 2x XMS2 2GB 800MHz $93.13

ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card $264.38

Cooler Master Elite 333 with no PSU $88.21

TOTAL $1,087.54


I'm told to stay away from 'OEM' for the cpu but i'll have another look later..

So lads what do we think? I'm aiming to have a system capable of playing any games and bluray movies I fancy without burning a hole in my wallet.

gary67
01-07-2009, 07:47 AM
Nothing wrong with OEM just don't expect any support but it still has a guarantee, I don't see prices getting much lower they are already right down, but then who really knows what the markets will do

Blam
01-07-2009, 09:28 AM
Make sure that the OEM CPU comes with a retail fan.

Personally I would get an Asus or Gigabyte motherboard, better quality IMO.

And an Antec, Corsair or Enermax PSU. AcBel is not the best of quality.

I also suggest your U/G your motherboard to one that supports crossfire, so if you ever decide that one 4870 is not enough power, you can add on in.

What brand 4870 are you getting? I recommend Asus and Gigabyte. Stay away from Sapphire if possible.

Blam

Trev
01-07-2009, 09:35 AM
Just as a matter of interest. This was the price of my system a year ago.


Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0 GHz, 1333MHz FSB, Socket 775, Retail pack with fan 1 $340.31
Corsair XMS2 DHX, TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX, 2x2GB, DDR2-800, PC2-6400, CL5, DIMM 1 $176.70
Asus DRW-2014L1T DVD Writer, DVD 16R/20W/8RW, CD 48R/48W/32RW, Internal, SATA, Black, Retail, LightScribe 1 $69.35
Leadtek WinFast PX8800 GTS Video Card, GeForce 8800 GTS, 512MB, DDR3, PCIe-16, TV out, DVI, HDTV, SLI ready 1 $566.70
Enermax Liberty DXX SLI, 500W ATX PSU, Active PFC, SLI Ready, Retail $175.62
Seagate Barracuda ES Hard Disk Drive, 500GB, 7200rpm, 32768KB Cache, SATA-2 1 $181.79
Asus P5N-EM HDMI, Socket 775, Nvidia nForce 630i Chipset, 1333MHz FSB, 3xDIMM DDR2, PCIe-16, 2xPCI, 1xPCIe-1, 10xUSB2, Audio, Video, ATA, RAID, M-ATX 1 $155.09
Thermaltake Soprano DX ATX Mid Tower Case, Side Window, Black 1 $244.08

:)

wratterus
01-07-2009, 10:04 AM
Make sure that the OEM CPU comes with a retail fan.

Personally I would get an Asus or Gigabyte motherboard, better quality IMO.

And an Antec, Corsair or Enermax PSU. AcBel is not the best of quality.

I also suggest your U/G your motherboard to one that supports crossfire, so if you ever decide that one 4870 is not enough power, you can add on in.

What brand 4870 are you getting? I recommend Asus and Gigabyte. Stay away from Sapphire if possible.

Blam


+1 - Exactly what he said. :)

I've had a few bad experiences with AcBel PSUs...not the best by a long shot. I'd also add silverstone to the list of decent PSUs.

pctek
01-07-2009, 10:11 AM
everythings mad cheap compared to the days when I paid $2000 for a celeron 433..

ASRock G43Twins-FullHD Intel G43 Motherboard mATX $124.21


AcBel iPower 510W intelligent 20pin and 24pin Black Retail 12cm Fan Power Supply $110.25


I don't know, I think the price pretty much stays the same, it's just that you get the latest HW for your money each time.

Which by the time you do it again, looks sad.........

I would stick to ASUS or Gigabyte for a motherboard and Enermax, Corsair or Antec for PSU.

And be careful with Pricespy, the cheapest shops are not the best. They often have no after sales service at all, so forget about your warranty - and they quite often disappear completely, like C1 lately.

Computer Lounge, Ascent or Playtech are 3 of the trustworthy places listed on Pricespy. You may pay a bit more, but wouldn't you prefer to sure?

jamesyboi
01-07-2009, 10:33 AM
thanks for the input I appreciate it ^^

btw free calling on skype for a month!

sroby
01-07-2009, 11:25 AM
If you are building it yourself, seriously consider getting everything from
the one retailer. It will make things alot easier if it all has a strange fault:
(take the whole lot back to them).

Check the warranty.
Many retailers wont give the full 3-5 year manufacturer warranty on parts (some parts)
I'd personally avoid Antec PSU's & go with Corsair(Silverstone) or Enermax.

Gobe1
01-07-2009, 11:43 AM
You forgot to add the 24" 1080p monitor for the best gaming experience

and +1 on PCTek, the cheapest on pricespy generally have no stock also

sonar
01-07-2009, 12:04 PM
I would recommend you stay away from AsRock. the return rate on those are quite nasty...

Also cheapest may be short term gain, but long term it may be painful if things break down and you need to get RMA. choose your dealer carefully.

ronyville
01-07-2009, 12:51 PM
btw free calling on skype for a month!

mmmmmm dont think so! just tried calling and its asking for skype credit. skype to skype is free but not to phones.

jamesyboi
01-07-2009, 01:20 PM
right, i'll look for a different psu and motherboard, sort of keen for one that has good 5.1 inbuilt audio seeing as my soundblaster 5.1 is next to useless on vista/7

btw about skype i got an email with a code that gives you free calling for all of july.. check ur inbox?

Blam
01-07-2009, 01:22 PM
Most have 5.1 HD sound integrated.

wratterus
01-07-2009, 01:28 PM
7.1 even, very easy to track down.

PCT Joe
01-07-2009, 07:46 PM
Heres two examples of computers you could build
There a AMD and intel to chose from although there both quad and about $400-$500 more than you wanted to spend. However both are overclockable and will give you a good bang for your buck. Excludes screen (2ms 1080p = $350)

AMD = http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/Expensive.JPG
Intel = http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/cheap.JPG

I could have made a computer with you spec's but in reality you want a computer that will last.

Speedy Gonzales
01-07-2009, 07:58 PM
Only thing with some Asrock mobos are the slots, like that one. Too bad if you want 8 GB. You'll be lucky to find 4 GB sticks (and you probably wouldnt want to know the price anyway).

Saw another Asrock mobo last week 2 slots - 16 GB max. You'll be lucky to find 8 GB sticks, let alone 4 GB.

gary67
01-07-2009, 07:59 PM
Step son got the skype thing too it's a promo for July

jamesyboi
01-07-2009, 10:16 PM
I was just looking at the screenies Joe made... (thanks for that btw)

I'm considering the cheap.jpg version :)... whats your source for these items? one single store?

also I wont be needing a DVD drive as I already have one in this PC, I trust cooler master is a good psu and the motherboard is good?

and i see you've chosen a quad core 8200 over a dual core 8400.. interesting

is 650W really necessary? i heard amps are more important for graphics card

but if others think this is a good build and all the components are thought to work well then i may just take ur advice!

Blam
01-07-2009, 10:32 PM
Firstly, what will you be doing with your PC mainly. Quad cores are fast yes, but not if you're not going to use them. If all you do is a bit of gaming and word processing, web browsing etc then I would recommend a dual core instead of a quad.

550w would be just enough for that system, but 650w would leave more room for upgrades. For that price I also suggest you get an Antec 550w instead, its actually more stable than the Cooler Master.

Mobo is an excellent choice, provides Xfire and all features you'll ever need.

Blam

PCT Joe
01-07-2009, 10:38 PM
Pconlineshop.co.nz

I chose the quad because Ive heard its an easy overclock. maybe I heard wrong?!?

P.S I was trying to be cheap but not too cheap for the PSU
Plus also that Graphics card will use a bit of power too.

PPS Did you notice the ddr3-1333 on the expensive and the BE?!?, for the price difference I know what I'd chose but then again I'm a AMD fan.

Blam
01-07-2009, 10:42 PM
An Antec Neopower 550w could easily handle that, does 12v over 3 rails which is stable and it output can be up to 600w

The Q8200 can be overclocked, but is highly limited due to its 7x multiplier. The Q6600 would be a better choice for overclocking, although the Q8200 at stock speeds is just as fast as the Q6600, yet runs cooler and quieter so would be a better option for the if the OP does not plan to OC.

Blam

PCT Joe
01-07-2009, 10:59 PM
Yeah, I just reviewed my pricing and realized that if he doesn't get the 6gb ddr3 and just gets 4gb ddr2 he saves himself $100 and still has a better computer, However the problem is he will have to spend that $100 to upgrade to ddr3 in the future anyway so its probably better to future-proof now.

Blam
01-07-2009, 11:03 PM
Not really. Performance difference is very minimal

jamesyboi
02-07-2009, 01:42 AM
okay i sent in an order for the same items as in the 'cheap' picture... but 8400 dual core and no dvd drive, cooler master should be fine, not keen on paying $200+ for antec. ahhhh

asb wont let me pay them unless i ring first hah... until working hours then... which means there is time for you to convince me otherwise if im making a huge mistake :P

Tuneznz
02-07-2009, 08:34 AM
Computer Lounge, Ascent or Playtech are 3 of the trustworthy places listed on Pricespy. You may pay a bit more, but wouldn't you prefer to sure?

Pconline shop and oczone are another two that I trust a lot, Just so you know (also they regularly have the cheapest price).

Blam
02-07-2009, 09:25 AM
OCZone is the worst...

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/297771/?

As for a case-for that price I recommend an Antec 300. Excellent cooling and build quality.

Blam

PCT Joe
02-07-2009, 06:12 PM
okay i sent in an order for the same items as in the 'cheap' picture... but 8400 dual core and no dvd drive, cooler master should be fine, not keen on paying $200+ for antec. ahhhh

asb wont let me pay them unless i ring first hah... until working hours then... which means there is time for you to convince me otherwise if im making a huge mistake :P

No problems...

One thing though, although it costs more and uses more power; have you considered using two 320's or 2 500's in a raid array?!? this would increase proformance(although im not exactly sure to what extent.

Blam
02-07-2009, 06:24 PM
RAID0 does not provide much increase in speed for normal home use. Maybe 5%

PCT Joe
02-07-2009, 09:05 PM
5% Overclocking for me is the equivalent of 130MHz on my clock speed... Although it may not seem alot it helps. I suppose.

jamesyboi
02-07-2009, 11:51 PM
lol i dont really care about raid, as long as it kills flies

i already have a 250GB IDE harddrive I was gonna use as a backup drive but I dont even know if mobos these days support IDE anymore, doesn't matter because that just means I can sell my current PC with a harddrive

Tuneznz
03-07-2009, 08:53 AM
It is likely for there to be a IDE slot on the mobo for the time being. Most still hold the floppy's cable port too.

Blam
03-07-2009, 09:30 AM
As tuneznz said, there should be at least on IDE port on the mobo.

Blam

jamesyboi
03-07-2009, 10:23 AM
they just emailed me saying 'not enough payment' and that i required another $6 for another freight..... >.<

so I guess it's not coming this week...

jamesyboi
03-07-2009, 10:24 PM
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?searchtype=SELLER&member=738063