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powerover
05-06-2009, 04:22 PM
Hi everyone,

I am selling my lappy at the moment and trying to build my first desktop.

I don't know which motherboard to buy.

Could anyone please give me some suggestions?

My criteria:

needs to be cheap, because i am on a tight budget.
needs to support intel processors.
needs to to be crossfire ready.

optional criteria:

support intel core i7 cpu, to make it a bit more future proof


Thanks for your help everyone, cheers. :thumbs:

Speedy Gonzales
05-06-2009, 04:53 PM
Well if youre on a budget. I7 isnt an option, its expensive. The mobo itself is $400+. And the CPU's are 400+. On one site, (these are 775 pin with xfire), the ASUS P5Q-E is $320 + GST, the DFI LANPARTY-JR P45-T2RS $275+GST. P5Q Pro, $259+GST. The rest are AMD (the cheapest being $219+GST).

Blam
05-06-2009, 04:57 PM
There are no motherboards that support both i7 and other intel processors, as they use a different socket.

I suggest a P5Q-Pro, around 200 I think, supports crossfire and is quite good.

Blam

powerover
05-06-2009, 05:22 PM
thnks for the reply speedy.

yeah that core i7 is out of the equation now.

what do we think of this one?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Components/Motherboards/Intel/auction-222084658.htm

it is SLI ready, but as long as it supports dual graphic cards I don't really care.

Blam
05-06-2009, 05:25 PM
Hmm, looks quite nice with 2 full Speed X16 slots.

I would ask if any overclocking has been done it it before.

powerover
05-06-2009, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the reply blam6 :), i shall ask the seller that. is there anything else i should lookout for or ask the seller? I really have no experience regarding this area.. :P

and that P5Q-Pro, they sell it on TradeMe for $270, that is out of my budget. but it does look nice tho...on pricespy all I can find is P5QL-PRO, and it only has 1 PCI slot......

and by the way why does it matter if overclocking has been done on the motherboard or not?

and does this look doggy and fishy to your trained eye?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=221483759

thnks for the help. cheers :thumbs:

Blam
05-06-2009, 05:44 PM
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=5542

260 here, in budget yet?:p

Nothing dodgy probably about that mobo, it'll bid up to around 160 at least though.

Ask the seller about previous history of the mobo, he hasn't mentioned any of that yet.

Blam

powerover
05-06-2009, 08:24 PM
Ummm....no...not really. I cant really spend more than $200 on a mobo... :(, other wise I will have to cut back the money I am spending on RAM and case and stuff....thanks so much for the help tho, it is much much appreciated.. :)

qazwsxokmijn
05-06-2009, 08:32 PM
Just get a P5K. It's what I have and it supports all Core 2 CPUs out, except I think the latest stepping of the QX9650. Which I assume you won't be getting anytime soon? :D

KenESmith
05-06-2009, 08:52 PM
Recommend P5Q - Pro or P5Q-E. or why not aim higherand go for the P5Q3 which takes DDR3 Ram.
Bite the bullet and pay that little more now, rather than aim low and regret it and have to upgrade sooner.

powerover
05-06-2009, 09:48 PM
um....thanks heaps guys. :)

new question here:

what is the difference between the Asus P5K-PRO and the Asus P5Q-PRO??

As far as I can tell, the P5K only supports up to 8GB or RAM and the P5Q can support up to 16GB.....and yet the price difference is around $100!!

once again thnks for the time guys :) :thumbs:

Blam
05-06-2009, 10:01 PM
P35 has PCI-E 1.0 but P45 has PCI-E 2.0.
P35 has 6 SATA ports, and P45 has 8

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-p45-chipset,1961-26.html

Performance wise, there's no difference, both are mid range, but the P5Q offers PCIE 2.0 which isn't useful now but may be soon. It is superior to the P35 chipset in every way but if price is a problem then go for the P43 for the value. P45 also impletements proper crossfire..

Blam

qazwsxokmijn
05-06-2009, 10:01 PM
P5K is based on the P35 chipset, and the P45 the P45.

I wouldn't mind the differences between the two chipsets, really. I have the P35-based P5K and it's an excellent board - unless you want to overclock a voltage hungry CPU.

pctek
05-06-2009, 10:04 PM
P5Q

Chipset Intel P45
Four DDR2 dual channel memory sockets
DDR2 1200 / 1066 / 800 / 667 MHz nonECC, unbuffered DIMMS
Up to 4GB per DIMM with a maximum of 16GB
2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (Supports ATI CrossFireX at x8 speed)
3 PCI Express x1 slots
2 PCI slots

P5K

Chipset: Intel P35

4 x DIMM, Max. 8 GB, DDR2 1066*/800/667 Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory

2 x PCIe x16 (blue @ x16 mode, black @ x4 or x1 mode)
2 x PCIe x1
2 x PCI

powerover
05-06-2009, 10:36 PM
ummm...thnks pctek, i am on a tight budget but i do have a fetish for dual graphic cards (i can only afford 1 card now but i am sure i will get another identical one later). So it seems to me that the P5Q supports the crossfireX at a greater speed......that gives me something to think about...um.....
what about that XFX 680i LT Sli mobo listed here:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=222084658

it is a second hand mobo but i quote "Both PCI Express x16 slots run at full x16 speeds all the time, so you can run Quad SLI on this board."
(from http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1099/xfx_680i_lt_sli_can_a_graphics_card_builder_make_a _good_motherboard/index4.html)

i have no idea what that means compare to the P5Q when it comes to dual graphic carding...but it seems to me that this mobo can support dual graphic cards at a higher data transfer rate, am I correct?

thnks for your time guys. keep it up! :) :thumbs:

bk T
06-06-2009, 09:25 AM
Why buy from Trademe? You may have after sales service issue later on.

powerover
06-06-2009, 10:39 AM
Umm..true that..after sales service could be an issue, but if I buy a mobo which is still under warranty, won't the manufacturer cover it?

bk T
06-06-2009, 11:52 AM
I would prefer to buy stuff from a 'physical' shop and pay for what you get. And should there be any problem, you know where to go to. For new item, I don't think they are any more expensive than Trademe, if you shop around.

As far as possible, I'll steer away from Trademe, just too many 'unhappy customers' examples, if you care enough to ask around. Consider the time and hassle you have to spend should there be any complications.

Brooko
06-06-2009, 12:01 PM
Give you an example ..... for the build in my sig (most parts bought from iFocus & Ascent). When the parts arrived, I carefully put it together and then tried first boot. No fans, no light on mobo - nothing. Called iFocus (after hours too), and they arranged a tech to talk me through a couple of tests. Didn't take long to work out it was the mobo (DOA). They immediately dispatched another which arrived 3 days later - and I returned the first board. After that, away laughing.

For the sake of peace of mind - because things can and do go wrong - go with a good supplier (CL, Ascent, iFocus to name a few).

Also - you say your budget is $200. Save for an extra couple of weeks. it's worth it in the long run. For an extra ~ $60 you can get yourself the P5Q Pro which IS a good mid-level board.

powerover
06-06-2009, 12:07 PM
Oh Geess you guys are soooo right. i was blinded by the cheapness and almost forgot about my own painful experience with trademe.....I shall save a couple of weeks and go for the P5Q then....

thnks so much guys..cheers :thumbs:

Nictech
06-06-2009, 02:42 PM
I have a P5KPL/1600 in stock for $159+freight to get it to you, if its any good for you.

http://asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=cdTU6DnRnZWCYVhR

let me know by PM :D

powerover
06-06-2009, 05:18 PM
very tempting my friend, do you have P5Q in stock and how much would that be?
Which company are you from? who am i buying from??? Tons of stuff I would like to find out before I buy stuff from you (No offense my friend) because I don't even know you......stuff like after sale service, etc...

the only reason stopping me from buying the P5K is that the second PCI express is only half the speed of the first one, which means it kind of handicaps the faster PCI slot when it comes to crossfire.....

cheers.

Blam
06-06-2009, 05:28 PM
Powerover-just a note, even though it runs at 8x, its only abour 5-10% slower:)

powerover
06-06-2009, 06:53 PM
!!!wow I wasn't expecting that! what about x4 or x1 mode? can i assums that:

8x is 10% slower than 16x
4x is 10% slower than 8x
1x is 10% slower than 4x ???

new question:

what is the deal with SLI Memory??? does it mean that the it has twice the bandwidth to access the same amount of memory therefore increasing the read and write speed?

what is Memory w/ EPP??


thanks heaps for your note blam :)

Blam
06-06-2009, 07:09 PM
Not quite...read here for a bit more info:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci-express-scaling-analysis,1572-8.html

I wouldn't bother with 4x if you're going to get/have a mid-high end card. They will be bottenecked(alot)

And SLI/EPP memory-its *allegedly* supposed to make the RAM more effecient operating with SLI cards, and easier to overclock etc

Its a marketing thingy really, wouldn't worry much about it

Blam

powerover
06-06-2009, 07:16 PM
thnks heaps Blam..i am planning to spend around $350 on a graphic card so I guess P5K is out of the question as well then......

:)

Blam
06-06-2009, 07:28 PM
Why so?

its not x4, its x8 and x16, which is fine..

powerover
06-06-2009, 07:44 PM
I quote "2 x PCIe x16 (blue @ x16 mode,black @ x4 or x1 mode), featuring CrossFireX technology "

from this page here:

http://asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=cdTU6DnRnZWCYVhR

I will probably end up buying that xfx mobo listed on trademe, it is still under warranty, the guy selling it still has the original purchase receipt, which proves he brought it from playtech...

man can't really make up my mind!! im such a little girl... :P

Blam
06-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Indeed, missed that.

The TM one is fine, just be careful:)

Out of interest, what year are you?

Blam

powerover
06-06-2009, 08:09 PM
??? what do you mean by what year am I??

Blam
06-06-2009, 08:12 PM
Oh....you're a uni student...whoops:p

Ignore what I just said before:D

powerover
06-06-2009, 08:32 PM
!??!! how do you find out im a uni student??

R u a college student? uni student? professional?? :)

GameJunkie
06-06-2009, 08:38 PM
it says on your public profile

Blam
06-06-2009, 08:41 PM
!??!! how do you find out im a uni student??

R u a college student? uni student? professional?? :)

Its on your profile:p

I'm a high school student:p

powerover
06-06-2009, 08:50 PM
true that :)
you must be doing really good at computer related subjects

please do feel free to expect more questions from me as I start to really build my first desktop pc after exam.... :P

ZapperBoy10647
06-06-2009, 09:09 PM
Have you checked PConlineshop.co.nz for parts? or a complete system? also playtech.co.nz is also pretty good.

EDIT:Has this question already been answered :/ ?

powerover
06-06-2009, 09:14 PM
thnks for the reply zapper. I personally bought a load of stuff from playtech so I know they are good, I never check PConlineshop tho, will do so right now.. :) cheers

Blam
06-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Read this first:)

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/297771/?

ZapperBoy10647
06-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Yeah I Really trust playtech, but PConlineshop is cheaper, although there site isnt the best and there customer service people need to learn off playtech employees; I think there ok. they delivered what I asked for when I purchased off them last, Infact they delivered twice what I thought I would get(i think they must have been out of stock so instead of a 80GB scorpio I got a 160GB)

Blam
06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
Yep, shopping around is good, but I prefer better after sales servics over price

powerover
06-06-2009, 09:48 PM
sweet Geeees blam..that link was sweet....would you recommend a mid tower PC case for me?

My criteria:

1. it's got big fans on it :)
2. under $200.

something like this:

http://qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108322

any recommendations from your expert point of view?

I like shopping around too...just to get the cheapest possible :) .....im a stingy bastard... LOL :)

Blam
06-06-2009, 09:52 PM
The thermaltake one isn't too bad, I've heard its a bit flimsy though..

I would recommend the Antec 900:
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?action=showdetail&id=5210

Or, for the best cooling ever:
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=7684

Although any case will do, its down to user preference really.


EDIT: GET THIS!
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=8916

Its scored excellent reviews on the web so far(quite new)
Only bad thing is not so good cable management, otherwise its excellent value:)
(free shipping at CL BTW)

Blam

minster
06-06-2009, 10:51 PM
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=6597

Under $200 and a great case!

powerover
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
the Antec and the Scout are both really good...but somehow I have this feeling that the Antec is not as solid as the Scout???

I found this website which sells the Antec at $202, I might go for that, or the thermaltake one: I LIKE BIG FANS... :)

thnsk 4 ur help my friend.

Blam
06-06-2009, 10:56 PM
http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/features/132931.20090305.CM-Sniper-vs.-Antec-Nine-Hundred-Two/

That might help you decide:)

powerover
06-06-2009, 11:03 PM
umm that antec 300 is good too....damn..!!!! Can't decide, you just made it harder.... :P

thnks for the recommendation tho, minister :)

Blam
06-06-2009, 11:11 PM
Don't go for the Antec if your budget is around 200. The Antec 900 or the CM Storm is much better in all regards, cooling, features etc

qazwsxokmijn
06-06-2009, 11:19 PM
Looking for a case? I'm currently looking to change to a SilverStone TJ09, actually, and when that happens my Antec P182 would be up for grabs. I also had the side panel modded by ComputerLounge to have a side window. They told me the window is bullet proof too.

New they are $270 and the window mod cost me a further $100, but I'll let you have it for $215? What do you say?

Blam
06-06-2009, 11:22 PM
Powerover: the P182 is pretty much the best mid-high end case you can get, and the price qaz is offering it for is quite good too:)

qazwsxokmijn
06-06-2009, 11:23 PM
Powerover: the P182 is pretty much the best mid-high end case you can get, and the price qaz is offering it for is quite good too:)
I kinda regretted selling that Gigabyte case, blam6. That was a pretty case I threw away.......:crying

Don't get me wrong though, the P182 is very nice and sleek itself.....I just like to change cases. I even had a Twelve Hundred and got it replaced by the P182 a month or two later....and prior to that I had the Aurora 570 that I sold to blam6.

Blam
06-06-2009, 11:28 PM
I'd rather upgrade the CPU/GFX card/HDD than swap cases every few months...

BTW you know how the front fan uses HDD power as its power source, well how do I control the speed of it since it doesn't use the standard 4 pin plug...:p

qazwsxokmijn
06-06-2009, 11:31 PM
There's an adapter for it - from 4pin to 3pin. I think a lot of shops sell those for less than $7. I would send one to you but I can't find the one I bought a year ago.

But really, you don't want to lower the rpm of that fan anymore than needed - that thing already runs at a mere 1200rpm and is quiet and provides some decent airflow into the case.

Oh and yeah, I would rather upgrade the CPU/GFX etc too....but my wishlist only consists of Q9550 and 4870x2.....both of which far exceeds my budget!

Blam
06-06-2009, 11:35 PM
Why not just add a 4870, must you get a 4870x2?

The front fan is NOT quiet! The system I built for my sister is quiet:p

I can't think with it on lol:p

Even the Antec 900 I had was quieter.

Gonna grab an adapter this weekend, thanks for that:)

Looked on TM...nothing:(, would you mind posting a link?

Blam

qazwsxokmijn
06-06-2009, 11:37 PM
Eeeerrr....I think you're mistaking it for the green LED fan behind the door - now THAT thing runs at 2000rpm, and it is connected to the fan controller.

Or did I give you the wrong fan??

I can send you one that only spins at 1100rpm if you want? It's got green LEDs.

And why not just add another 4870? You keen on donating $330??? :p

Blam
06-06-2009, 11:41 PM
Thats always been the fan I've been talking about, the green LED one at the front..(it uses 4 pin molex)

I think you gave me the wrong fan!!:p

qazwsxokmijn
06-06-2009, 11:43 PM
Oh, damn it, wrong fan huh. Well as I said I can send you the 1100rpm one or if you want to buy that adapter so you can control the speed? Tell me what you'd like.

Blam
06-06-2009, 11:46 PM
1100rpm fan please:)

Do you want this wrong fan back? I have no need for it:p

qazwsxokmijn
07-06-2009, 12:10 AM
Damn....turns out the 1100rpm one is actually 4pin molex as well. Tell you what, I'll give you my Xigmatek fan. It's worth more but it was my mistake and I have no cheaper replacement (I've got a blue LED SilenX, but you'll have to kill me first for that). It runs at 1500rpm but it's got the 3pin head so you can hook it to the controller.

PM me your address and I'll send it on Monday or Tuesday, depending on which day I study the hardest - just to give me an excuse to go out into the damn sun.

powerover
07-06-2009, 08:00 AM
Don't go for the Antec if your budget is around 200. The Antec 900 or the CM Storm is much better in all regards, cooling, features etc

??? don't go for the antec but the antec and the storm is much better in all regards????

I was reading this review online and the thermaltake one is mad out of flimsy plastic......but the Big fan...it is sooo sexy n hard to resist at that price....

powerover
07-06-2009, 08:01 AM
Looking for a case? I'm currently looking to change to a SilverStone TJ09, actually, and when that happens my Antec P182 would be up for grabs. I also had the side panel modded by ComputerLounge to have a side window. They told me the window is bullet proof too.

New they are $270 and the window mod cost me a further $100, but I'll let you have it for $215? What do you say?

put a photo up and let us have a look first :D

qazwsxokmijn
07-06-2009, 08:20 AM
put a photo up and let us have a look first :D
I'll do that after work......9 hours later!!

powerover
07-06-2009, 08:28 AM
no worries

Blam
07-06-2009, 12:45 PM
??? don't go for the antec but the antec and the storm is much better in all regards????

I was reading this review online and the thermaltake one is mad out of flimsy plastic......but the Big fan...it is sooo sexy n hard to resist at that price....

Yep, I mean don't go for the ANTEC 300:p

300 is lower than 900:)

I told you the TT was a bit flimsy;)

Blam
07-06-2009, 02:22 PM
I was reading this review online and the thermaltake one is mad out of flimsy plastic......but the Big fan...it is sooo sexy n hard to resist at that price....

Even though the fan is stated as 230mm, larger than the Antec 900 and other cases, its actually just a 190mm, which is actually smaller.

powerover
07-06-2009, 05:57 PM
?!?!OK......bloody marketing... TT is out of the window now......