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ninja
11-02-2005, 12:46 PM
www.lokitorrent.com

MPAA closes Loki
By Ashlee Vance in San Diego
Published Thursday 10th February 2005 22:40 GMT

One of the only BitTorrent hubs willing to battle the major movie studios appears to have been shut down by Hollywood.

A notice from the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) has gone up on LokiTorrent, saying a court order has grounded the site. "You can click but you can't hide," the notice re....

The rest @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/10/loki_down_mpaa/

CYaBro
11-02-2005, 12:57 PM
The end?? Yea right! :thumbs:

Metla
11-02-2005, 01:03 PM
Will have zero effect on my file shareing activities.

Even the death of Supanova didn't so much as cause a bump.

Murray P
11-02-2005, 01:33 PM
There's file sharing, then there's file sharing. I'd like to see the <insert appropriate word(s) here> shut down legit file distribution. It's only the files not the method that should be in question so by that reasoning, lets shut down http and ftp too because people distribute files on them too and they certainly aren't all legit.

I guess money and power talks more in the US than elsewhere though, so anythings possible, as they say "this could happen only in..."

Chilling_Silence
11-02-2005, 02:03 PM
I see Torrentreactor is still up. Got a Linux distro or two from there myself.... ....and some other things ;)

Metla
11-02-2005, 02:32 PM
Rumour round the campfire is that Loki were offered a large stash of cash to cease operating, Hope they are now going to return the 40 grand donated in good faith for them to meet the legal challenge.


http://www.torrent-news.com/archives/rumor_mill/000020.php

mister harbies
11-02-2005, 03:04 PM
Use that cash to set up another file sharing business under a different name, or donate it to other file sharing orgs.

manicminer
11-02-2005, 06:39 PM
Well this is all interesting news, but of course not unexpected news.

At the end of the day, they shut one down, and another two pop up. Until lawsuits against individual filesharers become commonplace outside the US then they won't stop the filesharing. More to the point - I don't believe the filesharing is wrecking their profits that much. It's mainly the lawyers that are profiteering from all this.

Just out of interest, I have a mate in the UK who was recently sent an email entitled "alleged copyright infringement" by their ISP. On further enquiry to the ISP, they then sent him this to show him the source of the complaint.

So...if you're into downloading movies, music etc. Don't be surprised if your ISP has received an email like this. Whether they choose to forward it to you is another matter.

Dear Sir or Madam:

BayTSP, Inc. ("BayTSP") swears under penalty of perjury that Paramount Pictures Corporation ("Paramount") has authorized BayTSP to act as its non-exclusive agent for copyright infringement notification. BayTSP's search of the protocol listed below has detected infringements of Paramount's copyright interests on your IP addresses as detailed in the attached report.

BayTSP has reasonable good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of in the attached report is not authorized by Paramount, its agents, or the law. The information provided herein is accurate to the best of our knowledge. Therefore, this letter is an official notification to effect removal of the detected infringement listed in the attached report.

The Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, the Universal Copyright Convention, as well as bilateral treaties with other countries allow for protection of client's copyrighted work even beyond U.S. borders. The attached documentation specifies the exact location of the infringement.

We hereby request that you immediately remove or block access to the infringing material, as specified in the copyright laws, and insure the user refrains from using or sharing with others Paramount's materials in the future (see, 17 U.S.C. 512).

Further, we believe that the entire Internet community benefits when these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take immediate action to stop this infringing activity and inform us of the results of your actions. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal.

Please send us a prompt response indicating the actions you have taken to resolve this matter. Please reference the Notice ID number above in your response.

Nothing in this letter shall serve as a waiver of any rights or remedies of Paramount with respect to the alleged infringement, all of which are expressly reserved. Should you need to contact me, I may be reached at the following address:

Mark Ishikawa
Chief Executive Officer
BayTSP, Inc.
PO Box 1314
Los Gatos, CA 95031

v: 408-341-2300
f: 408-341-2399
paramount-picture@copyright-compliance.com

Infringed Work: Perfect Score, The
Infringing FileName: alliance-the.perfect.score-xvid-avi.avi
Infringing FileSize: 733208576
Protocol: BitTorrent
Infringers IP Address: xxx
Infringer's User Name:
Infringer's DNS Name: xxx
Initial Infringement Timestamp: xxx
Recent Infringement Timestamp: xxx

E|im
12-02-2005, 03:25 PM
Bit of a shame they closed Loki. I started using that after suprnova. Anyway still a few good ones around. Been using http://www.tvtorrents.com/ at the moment. You have to register and you can only really download perhaps two 350mb episodes before your credit runs out, but I just re-sign up again. :)

manicminer
13-02-2005, 02:56 PM
And they'll get you, even if you are already dead!

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=653

sal
13-02-2005, 11:39 PM
Bit of a shame they closed Loki. I started using that after suprnova.
:x (http://www.torrent-news.com/archives//000053.php)

Nyuuji
14-02-2005, 08:19 AM
I find TorrentSpy to be really good for bittorrent files.

http://www.torrentspy.com/default.asp

manicminer
14-02-2005, 06:25 PM
I find TorrentSpy to be really good for bittorrent files.

http://www.torrentspy.com/default.asp
Excellent site that.

There's a new suprnova out called www.snarf-it.org.

It's crap so far. Give it a bit of time perhaps.

E|im
15-02-2005, 03:37 AM
:x (http://www.torrent-news.com/archives//000053.php)
Those guys running Lokitorrent are real morons. First they scrape like $50k+ off the users from donations for 'legal fees' and then they give up their servers so the MPAA can get user logs off it. I find that pretty poor and I hope they burn in hell.

They coulda been a bit smarter than that. I would've gone on vacation for a few days and announced it subtely. Then secretly arrange a few of your mates to come round and trash your place and steal off with all the servers, gear etc. To the police it woulda looked like a normal burglary, and it still would've been honouring the agreement with the MPAA they made. Then they could have gotten the servers back off their mates and destroyed them or something. If executed well, no-one would be any wiser.

Obviously they must've been paid off quite well, or given a pardon. So I guess they just thought 'screw the users'. Oh well, what are they going to do to us over here in NZ. I missed some episodes on TV, so I downloaded the episodes I missed and then deleted them. Boo-hoo, same as time-shifting which is legal over here.

Have to use an online proxy now to download the damn torrent links. :rolleyes:

Fast edit, found a better news story that seems better than the scare tactics:
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=665

Metla
15-02-2005, 10:49 AM
His fundraising enabled him to meet them head on in court,But by the second date he was without enough coin for legal fees and went before the judge undefended, He was handed a million dollar fine,stripped of his assets and all comp gear and business records have been handed over to the mpaa.

He was raped.

Burn in hell should he?

I would imagine he is having a worse time of it then anyone who used his service.

E|im
15-02-2005, 01:46 PM
His fundraising enabled him to meet them head on in court,But by the second date he was without enough coin for legal fees and went before the judge undefended, He was handed a million dollar fine,stripped of his assets and all comp gear and business records have been handed over to the mpaa.

He was raped.

Burn in hell should he?
If that's what actually happened, then no. Do you have a link or something cos I haven't read that anywhere.

Though last time I looked at the website when it was active, they had already gathered in enough donations to fight that months legal battle ($30k~) and they were collecting for site costs.

Metla
15-02-2005, 01:51 PM
http://www.isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10235


Granted its a forum, But there are numerous links to sources outlining more about the issue.

pctek
18-02-2007, 05:03 PM
I remember way back when PCs were becoming popular and all the other computers were becoming extinct, the fuss and discussions about how it would be the end of piracy because of corporates like MS.............

TGoddard
18-02-2007, 11:04 PM
Those guys running Lokitorrent are real morons. First they scrape like $50k+ off the users from donations for 'legal fees' and then they give up their servers so the MPAA can get user logs off it. I find that pretty poor and I hope they burn in hell.

The MPAA don't need user logs to track people down on Bittorrent. The way Bittorrent works means that the IP addresses of all users who are downloading a file are available to anybody who can access that tracker. For a public tracker, this means anybody can see if you are sharing or downloading a particular file. This is necessary for the operation of bittorrent - it would require a very different system to avoid it.

The bottom line is that if you use peer to peer file sharing to download or distribute illegal content you will probably be caught. Some systems make it difficult to prove, but true internet anonymity makes for very slow downloads and thus far has proved unpopular.

Greg
19-02-2007, 12:12 AM
The bottom line is that if you use peer to peer file sharing to download or distribute illegal content you will probably be caught.What valid stats have you got to back that up? "Probably" suggests over 50% chance. Seems doubtful to me. Unless your interpretation of illegal content is different to most.