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manicminer
21-01-2005, 09:39 PM
Neighbour's cats are constantly fouling and digging up my lawn, making a disgusting mess. The stench is awful and I dread having to mow the lawn every week.

Can anyone make any useful suggestions for keeping them away?

Or do I just have to suffer in silence because people insist on keeping these animals but not controlling them adequately.

Metla
21-01-2005, 09:44 PM
A handfull of small rocks thrown at great velocity, They will soon learn to keep their distance.

Prescott
21-01-2005, 09:48 PM
hhhmm, neighbours cats aye, tell neighbour to keeps his cats away or show him the reciept for the .308 you have just purchased.......

Cicero
21-01-2005, 09:48 PM
A handfull of small rocks thrown at great velocity, They will soon learn to keep their distance.

Or a piece of lead in the ear,put in with a rifle. ;)

TonyF
21-01-2005, 09:51 PM
Get your own very aggressive pussy, who will keep them away, and who might be good company anyway....
Cheers
Tony

manicminer
21-01-2005, 09:55 PM
A handfull of small rocks thrown at great velocity, They will soon learn to keep their distance.

Gee Metla you'll incur the wrath of precious cat lovers with that idea!

Good idea mind you, but the only problem with that is I'd have to stand there all day and night to catch the blighters.

What can I do legally?

This guy had a good idea but got into a hell of alot of trouble for it.
(http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?l_id=187&ObjectID=9003660)

Winston001
21-01-2005, 09:58 PM
I'm with Tony - get a tomcat. :thumbs:

Some people use a water pistol to very good effect. Pussycats are very smart - they will get the message. :angry

But I have difficulty imagining your problem. Cats are extremely clean and fastidious animals. We have three cats and I've never seen them use a lawn for a toilet. Unless it is newly sown out.

manicminer
21-01-2005, 10:04 PM
I'm with Tony - get a tomcat. :thumbs:

Some people use a water pistol to very good effect. Pussycats are very smart - they will get the message. :angry

But I have difficulty imagining your problem. Cats are extremely clean and fastidious animals. We have three cats and I've never seen them use a lawn for a toilet. Unless it is newly sown out.

Thanks but we won't be getting cat. Reason: they are anything but clean and fastidious! It makes me cringe when I see cat owners let their beloved pussies crawl all over their kitchen benches.

So you know what your cats are up to 24 hours a day and that they never go in their neighbours gardens?

Terry Porritt
21-01-2005, 10:22 PM
Oh, there are some cruel people.

Have a look at this video of funny cats for a good laugh, it's 2.8MB to download so be patient, it is well worth the wait:

http://www.fredsplace.us/Neatstuff/funny_cats_1.wmv


Then listen to the Paul Whiteman Orchestra playing Felix the Cat in 1928 with Bix Beiderbecke on cornet, great stuff:

http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/whiteman/felixcat.ram

~sy~
21-01-2005, 10:30 PM
We normally just get out the garden hose and pretend we're watering the plants then suddenly turn to them. Good strong alternatives to waterguns. If they're good, they should run as soon as they feel water -our neighbours are pretty good. We did have one of their kittens hidden under our car and locked up for the night ;)

TonyF
21-01-2005, 10:35 PM
It makes me cringe when I see cat owners let their beloved pussies crawl all over their kitchen benches.



But some cat owners actually let them snuggle up in bed - unthinkable !!

manicminer
21-01-2005, 10:39 PM
Maybe I need a dog. One like this one. (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/animalworldnetwork/bfamaptosavc.html)

TonyF
21-01-2005, 11:04 PM
Maybe I need a dog.
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But if "Thanks but we won't be getting cat. Reason: they are anything but clean and fastidious!" where do you find a fastidious dog ...
Woof !
T

manicminer
21-01-2005, 11:20 PM
But if "Thanks but we won't be getting cat. Reason: they are anything but clean and fastidious!" where do you find a fastidious dog ...
Woof !
T
Good point...though I wouldn't really consider getting a dog either, other than to scare the neighbour's cats away.
My neighbourhood is already like a zoo...cats roaming freely causing mischief, dogs yapping at all hours etc.

There was actually a dead cat at the end of our road last week. Obviously it had been hit by a car but it was left to rot in the hot sun for a couple of days and its blood and guts were covering the pathway. Nice.

xxll
21-01-2005, 11:55 PM
I like cats, so I am biased. :)

Cats need a toilet, pity they can't find one in their own place.

I know you shouldn't have to, but if you could dig up a small part of your section the cats would use it. They love freshly dug soil. It would need an occasional digging over to keep it clean.

A better idea would be to discuss it nicely with your neighbours and ask them to provide a dug up portion in their garden. Perhaps invite them over to your place to show them what you are annoyed about and ask them if that is a reasonable request or not? They might say that it is not their cats doing it. (A photo would fix that.)
Tell them that surely it is in their interests to try to stop their cats from annoying the neighbours and that digging a special patch in their garden will definitely help. If other cats use their dug up garden, then so be it, they are providing a service for the creatures they like.

I have heard that, for very small gardens, an onion cut up and sprinkled about will deter cats for a week or so, but it wouldn't work for a whole lawn. Maybe a whole sack of onions? :p

manicminer
22-01-2005, 08:19 AM
Thanks for your suggestions - I might try it although actually catching the cat in the act and being able to take a photo and then identifying the owner is easier said than done.
I happen to like animals...the only reason I've developed a disliking for cats is because of their destructive nature. Now it wouldn't bother me if the owners took responsibility and kept them to themselves. Dog owners are forced to and indeed there are heavy fines if they don't control their pets, I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to cats. I know in some parts of Australia you are allowed to catch them, then if the owners are identified they can be fined. They're a real threat to local wildlife over there.

Sue
22-01-2005, 09:11 AM
Cats hate the old fashioned Moth Balls, having a few around the garden should help. We have no problems with neighbors cats since getting a smallish dog. :thumbs:
I once ran a low electric fence around a large vegetable garden when I was having major problems with cats, 100% effective.
There are also automatic water spray systems available that are operated by a movement sensor.
Keeping cats at home, other than building an enclosed cattery is difficult but then you have the noise problem too. Can't win sometimes.
:2cents:

Murray P
22-01-2005, 10:41 AM
Cat don't ordinarilly crap out in the open or leave it uncovered. Look for an old sick cat, possum's or a small dog.

If it's a sick cat, you could do it and it's owners a favour :rolleyes: If it's possums, do everyone a favour :thumbs: Small dog, well, someones probably letting it out at night to crap on youre turf or while taking it, ostensibly, for walkies, catching them in the act should do the trick :stare:

Other than those options, get your own critter, and a good old territorial tom really isn't a bad option or put down some green paving :D

Metla
22-01-2005, 10:43 AM
cyanide

beetle
22-01-2005, 10:58 AM
LOL so youre not a cat lover then Metla?????


:eek:
beetle

Metla
22-01-2005, 11:10 AM
well.....we have a couple cats, I tolerate them, Although i was a bit put out to discover after building a top of the line Vege garden with pavers and aged timber they became convinced I had just gifted them the world's biggest and flashest litter box...

Edward
22-01-2005, 11:10 AM
I saw some no-pet spray in the supermarket (New World I believe) that deters cats and dogs. It's made by Masterpets so it won't actually hurt them. Other than that I like Metla's suggestion ;)

personthingy
22-01-2005, 11:11 AM
But some cat owners actually let them snuggle up in bed - unthinkable !! Some dog owners let the dog sleep on the bed too.
It's only my girlfriends that have chased her off!

Heres my little tart: http://www.millerton.co.nz/images/pix/175.jpg Woof woof woof!
:p

manicminer
23-01-2005, 01:03 PM
Cats hate the old fashioned Moth Balls, having a few around the garden should help. We have no problems with neighbors cats since getting a smallish dog. :thumbs:
I once ran a low electric fence around a large vegetable garden when I was having major problems with cats, 100% effective.
There are also automatic water spray systems available that are operated by a movement sensor.
Keeping cats at home, other than building an enclosed cattery is difficult but then you have the noise problem too. Can't win sometimes.
:2cents:
Hmm. I rather like the electric fence idea. How much can you crank the voltage up on those things?

Problem is there are so many spots in the garden that the cats are particularly fond of and covering all of them is not easy. I know cats resort to just crapping on the lawn when they can't find another decent spot.
They especially like crapping under my lemon tree...I found a freshly laid deposit underneath it this morning. Perhaps some broken glass neatly buried just underneath the surrounding soil may fix that problem.

Prescott
23-01-2005, 01:18 PM
Hmm. I rather like the electric fence idea. How much can you crank the voltage up on those things?


at least 10,000V. currently on our fences we have about 5000V, but the portable ones can go up to 10000V because they only have to power a small portable fence

manicminer
24-01-2005, 10:59 PM
Anyone know where I can buy a cat trap from?
If these cat deterrents don't work, I was thinking about trapping them and taking them to the SPCA or Cats protection league and letting them deal with them as strays.

agent
24-01-2005, 11:12 PM
Look, you're delving into illegal action here.

Someone put out poinsoned milk for cats because they were afraid of them getting their precious goldfish and pidgeons, and they were fined in court for their actions.

Sowing shredded glass for the cats to "discover", trapping a domestic cat and handing it in as a stray, giving them large electric shocks - those are all just as dubious.

I'm sorry, but I won't stop short of saying you are an incredibly cruel person for not considering a mature resolution of your situation.

ninja
24-01-2005, 11:27 PM
Can anyone make any useful suggestions for keeping them away?Open a Chinese Takeaway. It's a win, win situation.

Growly
24-01-2005, 11:28 PM
Funny, my cat's being a nuisance on my keyboard right now...

Lohsing
24-01-2005, 11:44 PM
Open a Chinese Takeaway. It's a win, win situation.

Oi - those comments aren't appreciated.

Lo.

Metla
24-01-2005, 11:49 PM
The shops in this town pay $5 for a goat,but won't shell up anything for a cat,they still take em for "disposel" though.

And then there was the time they made me a milkshake using ice cubes because they ran out of icecream,they must have hoped i wouldn't notice (made a huge racket on the milkshake machine)


Muhahahahaha.

george12
25-01-2005, 01:57 AM
Mmmmm, I love making up home made electric deterrance systems.

Like, once the neighbors stole our garbage bin every night, evil people.

So I mounted it with four largeish (motorbike battery sized) 12 volt batteries and a coil and ran some near-invisible wire round the handle.

Nobody ever said anything but it never got stolen again :D

personthingy
25-01-2005, 06:39 AM
They especially like crapping under my lemon tree...I found a freshly laid deposit underneath it this morning. You lucky man! I wish we could train the local cats to do that for us... We have to go out and buy/collect manure for our garden, where as you ---- You lucky lucky man ----- get yours delivered hot of the press!
:D

Neil McC
25-01-2005, 09:53 AM
I'm using a battery electric fence unit,a Gallagher,from Farmlands I think it was.I do have an ancient mains one, which has been lent to a client with cat problems,but this new one has a lot more kick!Running it off a spare car battery in the garage.Its electric fence wire is running around the bottom of my aviary,supported by short plastic conduit pipes with a hole drilled near the outside end to run the wire through,and at the moment crisscrossed over the pond as well.Having problems with pukekos getting my goldfish and mucking the pond,although they've disappeared at the moment,because of all the workers in the orchards.Have had great delight in seeing the neighbours dog and cat run screaming past our house ,to never return.The unit cost around $105.00,and will last for years.

JJJJJ
25-01-2005, 10:31 AM
Those electric fences may be more practical, but a well placed boot gives much more satisfaction.
Jack

Biggles
25-01-2005, 11:24 AM
Well, may cat is a bit of moron. And now that she's very od, she's taken to forgeting all the rules she used to obey, like not climbing up on tables, etc.

But every so often I get up in the morning and there's a dead rat on the doorstep. That's my girl. Even at her advanced age she still keeps the vermin down.

And a house-trained cat will do its business in fresh soild and cover it up again. I've never found litte messages on the lawn and we have a lot of cats in our neighbourhood. Not like dogs, which dump on your lawn, and on the verge and in the parks, and many owners don't do the decent thing and clean it up.

Cats officially rock and no argument will be entered into. Thus speaks the voice of the cat-loving police.

FoxyMX
25-01-2005, 01:17 PM
And a house-trained cat will do its business in fresh soild and cover it up again. I've never found litte messages on the lawn and we have a lot of cats in our neighbourhood.
Maybe manicminer's furry friends aren't "house-trained"? :p

Seriously though, that has been my experience with the multitudes of felines who treat our property as their own personal playground. At one time there were deposits here and there that I accused them of but later discovered that it was actually hedgehogs who had done the dirty deeds.

I used to throw a cup of water out the window at them to try and encourage them to use their own backyard until one day a neighbour's cat got deliberately poisoned and I got the finger pointed at me thanks to my big-mouthed daughter telling another neighbour's children about my "training methods". It didn't help either when their decomposed cat was found under our deck some months after going missing. :dogeye:

The site appears to be down at the moment but the perfect PC accessory is one of these (http://www.dansdata.com/kitten.htm). :D

godfather
25-01-2005, 01:22 PM
I agree with BB and FoxyMx, it's very unusual for a cat to leave a "surface mounted deposit". We get them all the time with hedgehogs though.

And I always use one of these and take my cat with me...
http://internet.ls-la.net/pictures/Cat-Carrier.html

Winston001
25-01-2005, 05:45 PM
And I always use one of these and take my cat with me...
http://internet.ls-la.net/pictures/Cat-Carrier.html


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Right. Scratch (sic) one Godfather off Christmas card list. And I'm off to tell Bruce. :p

manicminer
25-01-2005, 08:04 PM
Look, you're delving into illegal action here.

Someone put out poinsoned milk for cats because they were afraid of them getting their precious goldfish and pidgeons, and they were fined in court for their actions.

Sowing shredded glass for the cats to "discover", trapping a domestic cat and handing it in as a stray, giving them large electric shocks - those are all just as dubious.

I'm sorry, but I won't stop short of saying you are an incredibly cruel person for not considering a mature resolution of your situation.

Hang about before anyone else jumps on the bandwagon.
Lets put a couple of things straight.
Firstly I've absolutely no intention of breaking the law. Secondly, although I don't particularly care much for cats, it's not my wish to cause harm any animal.

The whole electric fence at 10000V thing...that was just a joke remark. Besides, I would also need alot of current to be effective. You think I want to put one of those in my backyard? I think not. The standard electric fence may have practical uses, but in my case there are so many corners to cover that it's not particularly worth setting up.
And the broken glass thing...actually may serve as a practical deterrent. One thing some people do is to spread broken hazlenut shells around particular spots (I found that idea off a cat lovers' site). Try walking barefoot on these - you will probably cut your feet. Broken glass...same thing, except being shiny I suspect a cat will see it reflecting light and be more likely to see it and avoid it.
However, in practice i will do neither. It doesn't make much sense when there's a 2 year old running round your back garden.
What you need to consider is that simply aiming the hose at a cat and saying 'shoo' will not deter it from returning to the same spot. You need to use stronger measures. Unfortunately many of the remedies you can buy in pet stores aren't particularly effective.

And the trap thing...it is certainly not illegal to trap a cat. The SPCA and Animal Control actually hire out traps specifically for the purpose of catching stray and feral cats.
Unless I catch these animals and take them to the SPCA, how am I supposed to know whether they are stray, feral or domestic? I live on the edge of a city, quite near farmland and bush, so perhaps these are ferals or strays. If they turn out to be domestic, well then perhaps that's a good start to finding out who the owner is.
I must add though, the cat trap thing is a last resort as there's potentially quite alot of hassle involved.

So sorry, I'm not a cruel person. One can't blame the cats for their behaviour. One can only blame the owners for not taking enough responsibility for ensuring that they don't cause a nuisance.

Although I don't condone his actions, I actually have alot of sympathy for that guy who layed out the poison. The neighbour's cat was causing alot of grief by killing his birds and fish. The only thing he did wrong was to break the law. It's ironic that if it were a dog causing such destruction it would be put down. And if it were a possum, noone would blink an eyelid at someone taking out a gun and shooting it. All perfectly legal. And you probably wouldn't see any anti-cruelty cat lovers complaining about those animals suffering. I also didn't see any compensation or sympathy from the owner of the cat that killed his birds.
But for some reason, cat's are allowed to cause such mischief. I'm surprised there are no cat control laws here in New Zealand, especially as there's alot of native wildlife (eg the kiwi) suffering because of domestic and feral cats.

manicminer
25-01-2005, 08:18 PM
You lucky man! I wish we could train the local cats to do that for us... We have to go out and buy/collect manure for our garden, where as you ---- You lucky lucky man ----- get yours delivered hot of the press!
:D
With all due respect, the notion that cat faeces make good manure is a popular misconception, particularly among cat owners.
Cat 'poo' is anything but good manure. Cats are carnivorous animals, and as such the makeup of their faeces is quite different from farm animals. It's actually toxic stuff, hence the foul stench and the burnt grass patches where they've been.
One thing commonly ignored or stubbornly denied by owners, is that their faeces harbour a particularly nasty organism, Toxoplasmosis, which is a serious threat to human health. Suggest a google search and you will find out why.
For this reason, I don't particularly want cats 'pooing' in our garden, especially with a young kid to look after. I have my family's health to consider.

My guess is that alot of owners get lazy with toilet training their cats. And then when they grow up they abandon the whole kitty litter thing because of the smell in their house.

manicminer
25-01-2005, 08:25 PM
And a house-trained cat will do its business in fresh soild and cover it up again. I've never found litte messages on the lawn and we have a lot of cats in our neighbourhood. Not like dogs, which dump on your lawn, and on the verge and in the parks, and many owners don't do the decent thing and clean it up.
.

I've no qualms with people owning animals. I just can't understand why they have them if they can't be bothered to look after the animal and train them properly. I mean that should be one of the most rewarding things about keeping an animal. These people who 'love' their dogs but let them crap everywhere shouldn't be allowed to have them. :groan:
I remember many a game of footy at the local park as a kid (in England) where half the challenge was avoiding the freshly laid turd in the midst of a goalmouth scramble!

Scouse
25-01-2005, 09:07 PM
Hi manicminer. Excuse me for quoting you, but I loved this: "The only thing he did wrong was to break the law."
:rolleyes:

manicminer
25-01-2005, 09:23 PM
Hi manicminer. Excuse me for quoting you, but I loved this: "The only thing he did wrong was to break the law."
:rolleyes:
Hi Scouse. I can see what you're getting at :) It was an obvious statement to say the least.
If the law permitted a person to lay poison for a cat, then he wouldn't have been doing anything wrong, would he? Not in the eyes of the law, at least.

My point is that the anti-cruelty to animals brigade were jumping on the bandwagon, conveniently forgetting the suffering to his birds. I don't see them flying the flag for possums or stoats. Or do they not count as animals?
I mean, don't farmers lay death-traps for possums that kill their animals by spreading disease?
I'm not suggesting the mass eradication of our feline friends (God forbid!), but what I am saying is that they need to recognised as potential pests and responsible ownership needs to be enforced. Currently there are no laws managing cat control, hence the problem with ferals and strays in this country.

Elephant
25-01-2005, 09:44 PM
Funny, my cat's being a nuisance on my keyboard right now...

Funny you should say that.
We got a cat whilst in Australia. It was bought to NZ some years ago. I might add that this was not an expensive cat.

I wish our CAT was still here like alive.

We had the benefit of our cat for nearly 14 years but now I have some ashes as of 19th Jan 2005

I would dearly love to have Mushka wander across the keyboard today.

I defy anyone not to drop a tear after reading this poem.


Letters in the Wood.





Wherever I go she follows


My house is her domain


There isn’t a nook or cranny


Where she hasn’t staked her claim





Even though she has left me


There isn’t one tiny place


Where I don’t sense her presence


Or remember her cheerful face





All the years we spent together


Remain buried in my past


The memories are like diamonds


Forever they will last





She couldn’t speak my language


She knew that I understood


Scratch marks on the door


Are her letters in the wood.




Bye.

somebody
26-01-2005, 09:22 AM
Hi Scouse. I can see what you're getting at :) It was an obvious statement to say the least.
If the law permitted a person to lay poison for a cat, then he wouldn't have been doing anything wrong, would he? Not in the eyes of the law, at least.

My point is that the anti-cruelty to animals brigade were jumping on the bandwagon, conveniently forgetting the suffering to his birds. I don't see them flying the flag for possums or stoats. Or do they not count as animals?
I mean, don't farmers lay death-traps for possums that kill their animals by spreading disease?
I'm not suggesting the mass eradication of our feline friends (God forbid!), but what I am saying is that they need to recognised as potential pests and responsible ownership needs to be enforced. Currently there are no laws managing cat control, hence the problem with ferals and strays in this country.

I thought DOC was trapping and poisoning feral cats in a couple of national parks and reserves......

Winston001
26-01-2005, 09:50 AM
I'm convinced Manicminer. You don't come across as a cat-hater and you have a genuine concern. So far as toxoplasmosis is concerned, the real danger is to a human foetus so pregnant women are advised to avoid cat dirt. People who have cats generally develop immunity as do their children.

I'm genuinely puzzled about your problem. I have never known cats - ours, or the neighbours, to defecate on open ground. They always find soft earth and bury their leavings. It is hardwired into felines to do this so that they do not reveal their presence to prey or enemies. Spraying is a different, male trait - and bloody annoying too. :angry

I agree your neighbours should provide a clean place for their pets to go to. I've generously contributed a whole glasshouse to the cause. :D

Try checking with your neighbours. It might be hedgehogs, who leave a suprising mess. Maybe a cat-trap is the best answer.

Good luck.

Terry Porritt
26-01-2005, 01:01 PM
I thought DOC was trapping and poisoning feral cats in a couple of national parks and reserves......


That is true.

However in areas where there are no groundliving native birds, like the Wellington region, and Rimutaka Forest Park and the 'Orongorongos' in particular, feral cats are down the list somewhat.
Rats, stoats, possums are a bigger threat. After a feral cat eradication some years ago, there was an explosion in the rat population. Rats are worse than cats as they will climb trees to get to nests, eggs and chicks, as do possums.
Cats find it much easier to catch a rat than a bird.

In urban areas, domestic cats tend to catch those birds that feed on the ground like young blackbirds and thrushes. I doubt if any cat has ever caught a Tui, could be wrong though, but very unlikely.

Mary
26-01-2005, 01:15 PM
We had problems with both a cat and a dog at our ex-rental - the owner had had many arguements with the pets owner about it (including a visit from the council), but they just thought it was a joke.
Foodtown sells both a cat and dog "repellant" which comes in a metal tin and you shake it over the grass... its basically a mothball mixture though, so you could use them crushed up.
we tried this, and it did work for awhile - problem is as soon as it rains it starts to lose its smell.

We ended up putting up a small plastic mesh fence around the grassed area. The neighbours thought we were batty, but it sure bet having to keep the front door closed because of the smell!!
Luckily our two cats are well trained.

I'd advise having a (polite) chat with your neighbour about it, perhaps then it could be a joint re-training effort...

manicminer
26-01-2005, 06:48 PM
Thanks for your suggestions, Mary.
You're right about the repellents on the market - they're generally ineffective. Cats tend to be quite astute animals and get used to these things. These particular cats seem to be quite stubborn.

I may have to look into some sort of cat-proof fencing, although I can see it being an expensive exercise. Perhaps the best suggestion so far could be the automatic sprinklers...although it could be a mission to cover every bit of the garden.

To be honest, I'm a bit caught in 2 minds about chatting to the neighbours about it. Partly because of the reasons brought up by Foxy. There was a dead cat at the end of my street earlier this week that had been run over. Now if it's known in the neighbourhood that I may have a disliking for cats, then the finger could get pointed at me.
No doubt a cat owner will correct me, but I understand it's almost impossible to retrain an older cat's toilet habits. So what will the neighbours do? Keep their cat indoors at all times? I doubt that they will. Unfortunately there are several cats in the area so that would take alot of co-operation by most of the neighbourhood. And most cat owners will vehemently deny that it's their cat causing any trouble (although how anyone can possibly know what their cat does while their out of their sight is beyond me).

So all you cat owners...what would you do if your neighbour came round and complained (politely) about your cat continuously fouling their garden?

manicminer
26-01-2005, 07:02 PM
So far as toxoplasmosis is concerned, the real danger is to a human foetus so pregnant women are advised to avoid cat dirt. People who have cats generally develop immunity as do their children.

I'm genuinely puzzled about your problem. I have never known cats - ours, or the neighbours, to defecate on open ground. They always find soft earth and bury their leavings. It is hardwired into felines to do this so that they do not reveal their presence to prey or enemies. Spraying is a different, male trait - and bloody annoying too. :angry



Hi Winston,

If toxoplasmosis can make children go blind and cause miscarriages, then it's definitely worth keeping away from. Hence the reason why I shudder when people have their kitty litter in the kitchen and let their cat roam freely on the kitchen worksurfaces while preparing dinner :yuck:
It's a particularly nasty parasite in that in can evade the immune system and sit dormant in your body for a very long time. Of course, it affects some more than others, and most people won't know they have it, or they suffer unexplained minor symptoms for most of their lives. I knew someone who had terrible acne for most of their life until it was found they had toxoplasmosis. Once they were treated, the acne cleared up dramatically.
Anyway - I won't ramble about it. I studied the organism as a postgrad. Just to say it's better off not to pick the thing up in the first place.

As for cats burying their little gifts...well some do, but alot don't. Domestic cats seem to get lazy and lose alot of their 'hardwired' habits. Either way, buried or unburied, it contaminates the soil.

sam m
26-01-2005, 07:27 PM
I have been lurking this thread searching for an answer as I too have the same problem with cat faeces.

Neighbourly courtesy went out the door 1st week they moved in (4 years now) so discussion is out.

I have searched for an electronic deterrant but balk at the cost and their effectiveness as cats are very clever and from what I have read they eventually get used to common deterrant devices. I am even considering experimenting with those devices that are supposed to repel rodents to see if they have any effect. Has anyone got any ideas on what sort of frequency a cat might dislike? Not sure if this is even the right question to ask as I dont know if cats have sensitive hearing like dogs.

agent
26-01-2005, 07:39 PM
Our cat had to stay indoors for two weeks after having some stitches, and she never bothered to use the kitty litter after at all, even though she used to when she was very young.

bob_doe_nz
26-01-2005, 08:50 PM
IIRC Cats wiped out a whole species of bird


Here (http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cat+stephens+island+wren&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)

Dally
26-01-2005, 09:08 PM
Humans wiped out a hell of a lot more

Terry Porritt
26-01-2005, 09:12 PM
It's enough to make one weep.
The whole history of NZ human occupation has been one of destruction, and introduction of plant and animal pests. Sad, very sad.

Metla
26-01-2005, 09:22 PM
In the 12th and 13th centuries the church declared a holy war on cats, becuse they were ambassadors of Satan. After two centuries of persecution the cat population of Europe was decimated, and there followed an explosion in the rat population,....bringing with it the Black Pluage......

ninja
26-01-2005, 09:31 PM
Humans wiped out a hell of a lot moreAnd we're not allowed to kill them either.

manicminer
26-01-2005, 09:54 PM
Can't live with them, can't live without them, I suppose?

Unfortunately cats are also pests, albeit one rung higher in the food chain ladder.

manicminer
26-01-2005, 09:56 PM
It's enough to make one weep.
The whole history of NZ human occupation has been one of destruction, and introduction of plant and animal pests. Sad, very sad.
Far too true. It would be fascinating to go back in time and see what New Zealand really looked like before man came along and made his mark.
I bet no modern domestic cat would mess with a Moa!

Sue
26-01-2005, 10:27 PM
Far too true. It would be fascinating to go back in time and see what New Zealand really looked like before man came along and made his mark.
I bet no modern domestic cat would mess with a Moa!

Masport or Victa :-)

Murray P
26-01-2005, 10:49 PM
Manicminer, I find it hard to believe that there is more than one animal involved, I agree with Winnie, et al, it's a cat's instinct to bury its poo, it can't help it, training doesn't come into it unless it's to encourage a specific spot to use like a litter box, cats will bury their poo unless they are crook.

So, you've got to be blimmin unlucky to have that many crook cats around, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Once a cat starts crapping indiscriminantly everywhere , and often sloppy doo's at that, they're usually on the way out. Kidney disease, I think it is.

I like the sprinkler idea though, set it up to cover the most frequented areas, maybe move it after a few days or a week. If there's one thing the vast majority of cats hate, it's getting wet. If it doesn't work, look for a small house dog.

Growly
26-01-2005, 10:56 PM
Make no mistake, I love my dear cat.

And the claws in my eyes at 4:00 AM.

manicminer
26-01-2005, 11:15 PM
Manicminer, I find it hard to believe that there is more than one animal involved, I agree with Winnie, et al, it's a cat's instinct to bury its poo, it can't help it, training doesn't come into it unless it's to encourage a specific spot to use like a litter box, cats will bury their poo unless they are crook.

So, you've got to be blimmin unlucky to have that many crook cats around, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Once a cat starts crapping indiscriminantly everywhere , and often sloppy doo's at that, they're usually on the way out. Kidney disease, I think it is.

I like the sprinkler idea though, set it up to cover the most frequented areas, maybe move it after a few days or a week. If there's one thing the vast majority of cats hate, it's getting wet. If it doesn't work, look for a small house dog.
It may be typical for a cat to bury its poo, but everywhere I've lived and people I've spoken to who have had the same problem all report problems with cat faeces being dumped 'unburied'. And I've seen different cats in my garden on plenty of occasions having a dump but not covering it.
Besides, whether it's covered or not makes no difference at all. The end result is the same: contaminated soil, mess to deal with, disgusting smell and runined garden.
If you're right, then all I can say is that there are a hell of alot of sick cats around. Mind you, alot of owners get cats because they are 'easy to look after' and independent. They end up not giving them the attention that they need. And I suppose if the cat is out around the neighbourhood most of the time, the owners don't notice that they are sick. Many owners I've known only ever see their cat when they come through the cat-flap demanding food!
For those cat owners who can't relate to my problem, well I'm afraid you just don't know what your cat gets up to when its off your property. And many of you probably also don't care. I guess the advantage of having a low maintenance pet is that much of the mess is someone else's problem.

agent
26-01-2005, 11:41 PM
I bet no modern domestic cat would mess with a Moa!
Oh, I don't know, if you believe those folks who claim to have seen a big black cat in our own blessed country!

bob_doe_nz
27-01-2005, 12:43 AM
yeah we got a few problems with several cats pooping on our lawn too.

If we see em we usually shout or scream loudly and quickly ... those cats dont know what got em. Once I managed to sneak behind it and got to about 3 metres behind it before it saw me and bolted off like no tomorrow :angry

although there is one theory I want to try... used ground coffee beans which I can get in large quantities which I will try and sprinkle the lawn with.

FoxyMX
27-01-2005, 09:02 AM
Just out of interest, is it actually illegal to pop off a cat that won't stay off your property with a slug gun?

Years ago my brother shot a couple of "nuisance cats" with an air rifle on two occasions, once when living in a suburban area. He and his male flatmates cooked it up for dinner that night and served it to the female flatmate who thought it delicious. After they told her what she had just eaten he had to move to temporary accommodation for a week to avoid suffering the same fate. :D

Prescott
27-01-2005, 09:10 AM
Just out of interest, is it actually illegal to pop off a cat that won't stay off your property with a slug gun?

Years ago my brother shot a couple of "nuisance cats" with an air rifle on two occasions, once when living in a suburban area. He and his male flatmates cooked it up for dinner that night and served it to the female flatmate who thought it delicious. After they told her what she had just eaten he had to move to temporary accommodation for a week to avoid suffering the same fate. :D

:eek: harsh but funny :p

craig.b
27-01-2005, 09:17 AM
Not sure if you have had a successful answer for this one yet, but here is a thing I picked up from a vet friend a while ago for my place, where the neighbours cats would frequent my freshly dug veggie garden.

Buy a small amount of catfood - dry biscuits is best, and place them around where the cat uses as a toilet. When the cat next comes, it will find the food, and eat it usually.

You may need to do this a few times.

Thing is, cats are pretty tidy animals, and will very rarely crap where it has been fed or found food in the past.

Pretty simple, and it does work. I had tried water pistols, small stones, rockes, and waiting around for hours and chasing the cats away, but all to no avail. I think it took me two or three goes with the cat biscuits to solve the problem.

Hope that helps,
Craig.

Biggles
27-01-2005, 09:31 AM
OK arguments about whether cats naturally do or don't cover their droppings aside (and there seems to be a wide range of experience here) I think the water sprinkler idea, merged with some technology, is promising.

My dad used to have all manner of elaborate electronic devices for turning on his sprinkler system automatically at certain times of the day while he was on holiday (ok, they aren't cheap).

And we have a set of those lights with motion-sensors covering our backyard.

So ............ it strikes me that combining these two technologies - an electronic control on the tap hooked up to the sprinkler, with the "on" switch for the electronic control hooked up to a set of motion-sensor lights - will create an instant on anti-cat water spray device. You probably don't even need to leave it in place forever - I bet all the neighbourhood cats will get the message and stay away within a month. And there's no animal cruelty involved at all.

Sorted!

personthingy
27-01-2005, 09:39 AM
And we have a set of those lights with motion-sensors covering our backyard.

So ............ it strikes me that combining these two technologies - an electronic control on the tap hooked up to the sprinkler, with the "on" switch for the electronic control hooked up to a set of motion-sensor lights - will create an instant on anti-cat water spray device. Sorry Bruce.... Most PIR sensers for security lights do not get triggered by an animal as small as a cat......

Otherwise an excellant idea!

:D

Biggles
27-01-2005, 10:31 AM
I beg to differ - mine works with cats 100% -- that's why I suggested it. I can always tell at night when a cat has wandered into the back yard because the lights go on. Even goes on for hedeghogs.

And the sensors used for house alarms can be adjusted in sensitivity to allow for pets - ours are, except in one room so we must close the door to that room if we are going out so the cat doesn't go in there. So you could always use on of these instead.

Cicero
27-01-2005, 03:57 PM
One of the afore mentioned units.
$89 US.

http://www.scatmat.com/Products/Scarecrow/

Biggles
27-01-2005, 04:50 PM
Ooooh, those look cool. You can buy online and they ship to NZ. I alsmost wish I needed one now ....

FoxyMX
27-01-2005, 05:10 PM
Did you check out the videos? :D


They look like the answer to your problem, manicminer. ;)

manicminer
27-01-2005, 06:55 PM
Hey thanks, they do indeed look cool! Having seen the vids, I think it could have drenched the cats a bit more...the aim was a bit high.
In practice I may have to go with the Catstop (siren) as the only restriction with the scarecrow is the need for constant water pressure and connection to a hose. I could get one of each, that may just cover enough of the garden.

:) He he. I can just see myself staring out the window waiting for unsuspecting pussy cats to enter my property and get scared away. A few hours of mindless fun.

EX-WESTY
27-01-2005, 08:55 PM
Time to contribute

We used to have a problem in my last house with the neighbours cat coming in at all hours of the day and night thru the cat door and eating my cat's food, biscuits etc. The odd scare and squirt with a water pistol usually scared her off for a day or two......
Neighbours were great friends and assured that the cat was well fed etc, even replaced biscuits. What took the cake was when said cat (female) was caught spraying the curtains and lounge suite one day and marking my house as her territory.

* RED RAG TO A BULL *

Next time I heard the cat in the house I dashed into the laundry and shut the door trapping it inside with me. I then picked it up and held it in the laundry tub and drenched it with cold water for a minute or two before chucking it outside. It went straight home and inside their catdoor, which led to their kitchen. We were in units that mirrored each other and our kitchen faced theirs. Well there was a bit of a reaction from next door when a soaking wet cat dashed inside at high speed, she didn't talk to us for a week or so, her partner was fine about, as I hadn't hurt the cat merely offered it a new unpleasant experience and a little retraining. Nonetheless it did solve the problem.

Have had the same problem from time to time at my current address, usually in the dead of night with others coming in the cat door or the window, but sometimes manage to sneak out of bed and catch them in the trough or scappering as they hear me coming to scare the **** out of them as they try to find their way back outside again. :thumbs:

manicminer
27-01-2005, 09:54 PM
Nice story.

Not a story for cat lovers this. In my uni days we had a persistant cat visiting our flat during one hot summer. Because of the heat we always used to keep the windows and doors open throughout the day.
This particular cat used to be quite friendly, until we realised it had a passion for scratching its claws on my flatmate's furniture and curtains while we had our backs turned.
My flatmate got her own back. When the cat returned one day, she kept it amused while putting the kettle on. When the cat was just outside the back door in the courtyard, she emptied the kettle full of just-boiled water all over it while it had its back turned. I'll never forget the piercing sound of the cat screeching its head off and dashing madly in circles in our courtyard.
Needless to say, the cat never came back.

Metla
27-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Scum.

manicminer
27-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Scum.
The cat or the flatmate?

agent
27-01-2005, 10:06 PM
Does it matter?

manicminer
27-01-2005, 10:12 PM
Just wondered. She was actually a bit of a hottie, my flatmate. But boy did she get mad about her curtains. Maybe being Australian had something to do with it.

Cicero
27-01-2005, 10:22 PM
Just wondered. She was actually a bit of a hottie, my flatmate. But boy did she get mad about her curtains. Maybe being Australian had something to do with it.
Sadistic twat I would say.

manicminer
27-01-2005, 10:26 PM
Well I didn't stay that long in her flat (she owned the house) as I was only in the country temporarily. Always used to tip-toe around the place and frantically tidy up after myself, and wrap myself in cotton wool so not to bump anything in the house.
But...she was a hottie.

Funny thing was she actually had a cat of her own, although it was kept at her mum's house.

Is there some truth that cat owners love thier own cats but despise other people's cats? (not to the extent of cruelty though).

manicminer
27-01-2005, 10:51 PM
Sadistic twat I would say.
Actually although she was a nightmare to live with, she was actually quite a nice girl. And if you saw the damage to her curtains, then perhaps you'd understand.

I suppose that makes all those who go out shooting possums sadistic twats too. And what about those nasty people at the DOC laying out poison for feral cats?

Metla
27-01-2005, 10:55 PM
Well....This thread has gone downhill.

Pouring boiling water on a cat or any other animal is scum behaviour, and deseving of punishment.

Couldn't give a damn about her curtains, The 2 things aren't exactly in the same league.

manicminer
27-01-2005, 11:22 PM
And I don't disagree with you, Metla. It was a particularly nasty thing to do, even though she's not a nasty person.

But I'm just trying to put things in perspective and establish some logic. Is throwing rocks at cats (as you first suggested yourself) scum behaviour? What about drenching the cat in the laundry tub as mentioned in another previous post?

And possum shooting? Encouraging cats to kill rats? Letting your cat kill a neighbour's pigeon? Keeping birds in cages? Euthanasing dogs that are pests?

All I'm saying is that cats seem to have some sort of special protection that other animals don't have the advantage of. And animal rights activists tend to be very picky and choosy about what animals they feel deserve protection.

I guess nothing is logical in this world.

herbert
28-01-2005, 03:01 PM
Hello. I've been browsing this thread on and off for the last few days as I have also experienced problems with cats in my garden (and still do).

The entire topic reminded me of a situation a couple of years ago when a neighbouring cat killed some of the fish in my pond, despite my attempts to protect the area (while also making sure it remained visually pleasing). This cat had also decided that my garden was its perfect toilet.

The cat turned out to belong to new neighbours who had just moved into the street. After a while I decided enough was enough and decided to bring the topic up, very politely, with the new neighbours, who turned out to own no less than four cats.

Basically they didn't want to know and thought the whole thing was a complete joke. "They are wild animals and that is just what cats do!" they told me, as well as stubbornly denying that it was any of their cats at fault. According to them it must have been someone else's cat. Funny, I thought cats were DOMESTIC animals and therefore, in theory, under the control of their owners. They often used to go away for days on end and just leave the cats to their own devices. I've no idea who was looking after them during that time, but we always used to hear them whining. I'm sure they didn't bother to provide them with a toilet.

They more or less told me to sling my hook. No compassion whatsoever for the fish their cat had killed. And no thoughtfulness or understanding for the mess in my garden.

Ever since the whole episode I spend alot less time in the garden, doing the things I enjoy. I've ended up having to put nets all over the place just to keep the cat(s) away (there are a few problem cats in my street) from sensitive areas. And I ended up replacing much of my back lawn with paving.

I'm fed up with the whole situation, and it turns out that I'm not the only person in the street without a cat who has been suffering.

In my opinion it's the owners of these wretched animals who are to blame. They have a very selfish and ignorant attitude when it comes to keeping animals, with absolutely no regard for other people in the area whatsoever.
Having known a few cat owners, I can almost always say that they are sickeningly obsessed with them and they will always stubbornly deny that their cats cause any trouble.
What bothers me most is that so many people insist on having these animals, and nearly all of them let them wander freely around the neighbourhood without a care in the world. To me, that is not being a responsible owner. It's called lack of consideration and social responsibility.
I've now taken to collecting up any cat faeces I find in my yard and discreetly depositing them on the owner's property.

Metla
28-01-2005, 03:04 PM
Personally i would have taken to trapping the cats and turning them into the spca before turning the area into paving......

herbert
28-01-2005, 03:17 PM
I did speak to them about it, but being domestic cats they would normally refuse to take them if the owner could be identified.
The cats were only part of my reason for resorting to paving. It's having to have the nets everywhere that's the pain. But the ultrasound looks like a promising solution.

JJJJJ
28-01-2005, 03:34 PM
Well it looks like we have got rid of all the dogs running loose up and down the street.
I wonder if the Govt. can be persuaded to pass simliar laws for the control of cats. Like cat proof fences around the home of every cat owner. Cat can only be on the street if on a leash. And a large registration fee if you own a cat.
Then we might get some birds to fly in, in safety.
Jack :D

Sue
28-01-2005, 09:32 PM
Well it looks like we have got rid of all the dogs running loose up and down the street.
I wonder if the Govt. can be persuaded to pass simliar laws for the control of cats. Like cat proof fences around the home of every cat owner. Cat can only be on the street if on a leash. And a large registration fee if you own a cat.
Then we might get some birds to fly in, in safety.
Jack :D

Hey Jack, you forgot the safe access to the front door :-)

In a lot of ways I agree but the downside to that idea is the millions of cats that would be put down. Some old folk only have their old cat to love and no money for registration fees so they can't afford a dog.

I still prefer an electric fence to keep them out, it does NOT harm the cats and it works very well. All you need is a small battery operated electric fence unit, insulated staples or short lengths of plastic water pipe with holes drilled through and a roll of polywire or tape. Multi level electric fence standards are great if you can get them and can be used for supporting plants in the garden later as mine are :thumbs:

Works well for keeping dogs where they belong too.

The initial cost could be covered by loaning it out to others when your local cats have learned to stay well away. You might even make a few $$ on the side.

Take Care out there.
Sue ~ I love my dog & cat :-)

Winston001
30-01-2005, 01:12 AM
Well this has certainly been a most interesting an eclectic thread. You've got me worried now. As the humble servant of three cats, I now have to consider whether the neighbours are giving us dark looks and muttering behind closed doors. :stare:

We had a cat invade our territory a while ago. We went away to the crib one weekend (the cats come with us) and I snibbed the catdoor one-way - entry only.

When we returned there was one very cross tomcat in the back porch and he hasn't been back since.

One solution is a tomcat or small dog of your own but that doesn't suit everyone. The technology discovered by Tom (Cicero) looks the business.
Or the same thing on a sensor as Bruce suggested.

I have to say as a cat owner, that I'd be honestly perplexed as to how to prevent our cats straying if a neighbour complained. They are not bidable creatures. One of the attractions and also maddening things about cats is that they are not really domesticated. Dogs have become dependant on humans over thousands of years, but cats are basically still wild animals. They are not subservient to humans and do as they please.

I'm a bit shocked at the neighbours attitudes in the above posts. I'd be extremely embarrased and do what I could to help.

Cicero
30-01-2005, 08:31 AM
Ah,but to have neighbours like oo1.

manicminer
27-02-2005, 02:33 PM
Well it was nice to see that the person from the SPCA come out and (allegedly) suggest that there is a need for a cat curfew, such as one implemented in certain parts of Australia to protect native wildlife.

I say an excellent idea, except make it all day instead of just at night.

See story here:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3198481a7693,00.html

Apparently the council and the SPCA were absolutely inundated with phone calls after the report. No doubt from pathetically obsessed cat lovers concerned that they will actually have to take some responsibility for their beloved animals and fork out some money to register them (as dog owners all have to do).

Reading some of the comments in the Waikato Times the last couple of days confirms my belief that the majority of people who own these animals have no concern whatsoever for the environment, local wildlife, and the inconvenience and mess they inflict upon their neighbours.

olldaddy78
27-02-2005, 04:48 PM
There is a cat repellant available from KINGS Plant Barn or Palmers which you spray around especially at the sites where the cat enters your section.....and VIOLA not cats................... :D

manicminer
27-02-2005, 04:56 PM
There is a cat repellant available from KINGS Plant Barn or Palmers which you spray around especially at the sites where the cat enters your section.....and VIOLA not cats................... :D

Thanks for your suggestion. I'll take a look at that product, although still considering the sonar emitter found earlier in this thread. Just a case of how much and how many I need.
With all due respect I've tried those chemical solutions, and generally they don't work very well. Considering that they would have to applied throughout the whole garden and regularly, especially after rain, it would get pretty time consuming to keep doing that.

More to the point, one shouldn't have to spend time and money to keep other people's domestic animals off one's property.

See previous comments on this thread.

JJJJJ
27-02-2005, 05:14 PM
I still think a well placed boot is the best remedy.
Jack :(

manicminer
27-02-2005, 05:34 PM
I still think a well placed boot is the best remedy.
Jack :(
Agreed. If only they would let me get that close to them.

BoboTheClown
27-02-2005, 07:28 PM
Try sprinkling pepper (white or Cayenne) where they make their toilet. I once gave an invading cat some milk with Tabasco sauce mixed in, didn't come back again after it drank that.

Worth the try if nothing else... :D

roo
11-05-2005, 11:48 PM
I know how you feel as i have the same problem and i think the neigbours know by the amount of swearing at elevated levels that come out of my mouth, even mates comment when they come over, if it was only legal i would put the silencer on the 22 and shoot the F$%#@@, but unfortunalty it is not so i have come up with a good idea which i am not sure if it is legal but got to the point of i dont care, and that is i am going to get a old portable electric fence unit conected up to a timer so it only comes on at night or selected times and turn the unit on, which in turn will have a thin wire attached to the top of the fence on the permiter of the section and i have not done this yet but i am quite confident that it will work as i am sure if it give bulls a belt and keeps them off areas you dont want i sure it will keep cats at bay to, and hopefully will literaly throw them back into there own section for my own satisfaction.
ps i have also done research on the net and there is a few products you can buy one being electronic and others being a plant and opposite sent, so you might want to look at them, there is a ultrasonic one that i like the sound of which i may try and build myself as littel expensive for my likeing but simple enough concept and if they dont work then i will be forced to go to the electric fence idea which i am tempted to go to straigh away

Roo

Jams
12-05-2005, 01:58 AM
buy a cheap remote control car, and whenever you see a cat on the lawn, chase after it with the Remote Control car, cats are scared S****less of these things, after doing it a few times, leave the remote control car on the porch or outside, so the cat can see it, and realise that, "that thing" scares them.

it does work. i use to do it with my parents cats, if one wanted to get through the lounge when i was in it, it would tear up the carpet trying to run from one side to the other.

Strommer
12-05-2005, 09:45 AM
buy a cheap remote control car...

...A brilliant idea: having fun while getting rid of the pests!

How about using one of those large water canon toys, that shoots a stream 10 m or more? Maybe fill it with some foul smelling liquid as well.

personthingy
12-05-2005, 12:09 PM
...Maybe fill it with some foul smelling liquid as well.
Cats will enjoy smellingbad stuff more than you will :) :)

kakapo
12-05-2005, 04:55 PM
Interesting discussion this one.
I am constantly bothered by cats doing their business in the vege garden which I find disgusting. Perfectly good lettuces get turned to compost because I cannot wash the pooh off nor could I eat lettuce that had been s*at upon. I too, find cats rather dirty and have always worried about Toxo. No fun that one! No cats here cover their mess; they seem to aim for the best veges and it IS cats. I've sat and watched.
I went to Wrightsons and bought two cat traps as I was aware that a neighbour had up to 40 cats around their house. You'd see the woman go out with one 450g can of food and the cats would stream out from all directions. After the fight for food was over, the cats came here to prey on birds and my fish. One cat ate 17 huge goldfish from our very attractive pond - which now looks horrid covered in netting, and altho' many cat owners see their cats as higher on the evolutionary scale than fish, as their owner, I was gutted. Just as you love your cats I was very fond of my fish which I'd reared from babies.

My horse used to be bothered by flies during summer. Soon the fantails caught on that free lunch was available at The Horse. I'd see up to seven of them catching his flies and it was a joy to behold - their flight is fascinating. One morning I went out to feed the lad and saw the fantails dancing around catching flies. Suddenly a velvet paw snaked out from beneath the roses and within seconds the fantail was dead. I could do nothing to stop it but picked up the broken bird and gave it a decent burial. Later I saw a cat kill a shining cuckoo and when I mentioned it to the cat's owner she replied that her cat caught them all the time.These ARE native birds. The birds are endangered and cats are NOT.

That's when I bought the trap. I took 17 cats to the SPCA in the following month. 17 strays. The council just laughed when I suggested registering cats and replied that it'd cost far too much to even contemplate. They really are far more concerned with dog control and seem to care little about the diminishing numbers of native birds.

Now don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect for all animal life. I just hate to see our birds preyed upon and slowly tortured to death. It's a nasty death for the bird/fish and one that could be resolved by responsible cat ownership.

Soon we'll be telling our grandchildren about the wonderful birds we USED to have here. How will we explain to them that WE allowed their demise?

Maybe we need to get serious about cat registration. It's a good idea as then cat owners would HAVE to be responsible for their pets just as dog owners are.

O NO! There goes another cat after the fantails .........I'm outta here.

manicminer
12-05-2005, 10:53 PM
Interesting discussion this one.
I am constantly bothered by cats doing their business in the vege garden which I find disgusting.

I went to Wrightsons and bought two cat traps...

Maybe we need to get serious about cat registration. It's a good idea as then cat owners would HAVE to be responsible for their pets just as dog owners are.




Hey buddy - join the non-cat owners protection league.

17 cats caught. Well done. :thumbs: I got a trap from Wrightsons too, though it was a possum trap with a hook in the middle. I wanted to get one of those ones that shuts when the animal walks in but couldn't find one anywhere. This one did the trick with a juicy bit of rump steak. But there's another cat constantly digging up around the hedges in the front and making a mess. I'd like to catch that one too but don't want to put the trap out the front in full view.

With the veggie garden I suggest weed matting to cover every shread of loose earth. Otherwise the little buggers will make a beeline for it and treat it as their own glorified kitty litter tray.

I don't see why cat owners should be exempt from taking responsibility for their animals. I don't begrudge people owning them (although it's disgusting to hear of people having more than say about 3), but why should everyone else have to put up with them?

Phil B
13-05-2005, 12:03 AM
If you squirt the cat long enough you'll draw its bodyheat out & kill it. My brother inlaw in the UK many years ago had a elevated ornamental garden. He shot all the neighbours cats & threw them out in the rubbish. His garden looked good after that.

Rugrats
13-05-2005, 12:15 AM
Water pistol.

You even get marksmanship practice while keeping your section tidy.

If you don't have a water pistol, the garden hose works as well too.

TonyF
13-05-2005, 12:19 AM
Hooray for Cats - just to restore some balance...

Down with dogs ??

Or like all animals, provided they are in the next street....

gibler
13-05-2005, 12:31 AM
Heh, plant some catnip well away from your property ...

Water sprinklers with movement sensors.

Cats can be a bit lazy - give them a piece of dirt to make use of and make the other areas stoney.


There is a reason why dogs are controlled -they can bite you (okay some breeds are so small as to be a joke). I haven't heard too many horrific cat attacks :eek:

Elephant
13-05-2005, 01:32 AM
[QUOTE=Terry Porritt]That is true.

However in areas where there are no groundliving native birds, like the Wellington region, and Rimutaka Forest Park and the 'Orongorongos' in particular, feral cats are down the list somewhat.

I loved the Orongorongo Valley years ago. I was about 16 at the time. Over the 5 mile track, down Jacobs Ladder to the river. Up the other side to Kiwi Hut.

Walk from there up the river and climb Mt Mathews.

We had phones in the Valley at that time like a party line.
Prior to that it was over to Butterfly Creek.
Earlier than that it was Island Bay to Cape Terawhiti about 14 miles and got fish.

I just noticed a few days ago a cat perched handy to a rabbit burrow waiting for dinner I think.

Elephant
13-05-2005, 01:48 AM
IIRC Cats wiped out a whole species of bird


Here (http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cat+stephens+island+wren&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US<img src=)

So where are the Moas now?
Notice Maori cloaks?

Elephant
13-05-2005, 02:14 AM
In my opinion it's the owners of these wretched animals who are to blame. They have a very selfish and ignorant attitude when it comes to keeping animals, with absolutely no regard for other people in the area whatsoever.
Having known a few cat owners, I can almost always say that they are sickeningly obsessed with them and they will always stubbornly deny that their cats cause any trouble.
What bothers me most is that so many people insist on having these animals, and nearly all of them let them wander freely around the neighbourhood without a care in the world. To me, that is not being a responsible owner. It's called lack of consideration and social responsibility.
I've now taken to collecting up any cat faeces I find in my yard and discreetly depositing them on the owner's property.

I take it that if YOUR Bird, Dog, Elephant, Snake, Tiger happends to wander on the property I own I am justified in poisioning, shooting or trapping the said animal?

I also take it that you know and can prove the particular animal belongs to a particular person.

If so then why not use your local laws to deal with the problem?

If your local laws need changing then why not get them changed?

Hint:-
Get yourself elected!

personthingy
13-05-2005, 02:41 AM
Whoa dudes!!!!

I'm not going to pretend for one moment that i'm a cat person, but @#$%$#@!!!!!

Is the aim here to prevent cats from dumping in your space, or to vent ones frustration in life on the nearest available lifeform that's small enough not to be able to fight back?

Personally i think all cats should be steralised and the whole problem will go away, but tolerance is essentual in life. My flatmate has a cat, therefore, effectivly so do i. Squeak and i learnt to get on. We had to. We don't have a seperate planet for each of us. :illogical

O crap firefox doesn't have a spellchecker..... might have to go back to konqueror.... meanwhile you'll all just have to suffer bad spelling as well as cats! :eek:

Strommer
13-05-2005, 08:04 AM
Cats will enjoy smellingbad stuff more than you will :) :)

I can't see them liking Janola in water! :D

Strommer
13-05-2005, 08:15 AM
If you squirt the cat long enough you'll draw its bodyheat out & kill it. My brother inlaw in the UK many years ago had a elevated ornamental garden. He shot all the neighbours cats & threw them out in the rubbish. His garden looked good after that.

You and your brother must be on the same wavelength, Re: "Ifindoubtgiveitaclout"! :D :lol: Thanks for being brave enough to post the above; I am surprised cat lovers haven't infiltrated this post to show their shock and horror.

Kakapo wrote: That's when I bought the trap. I took 17 cats to the SPCA in the following month. 17 strays. The council just laughed when I suggested registering cats and replied that it'd cost far too much to even contemplate. They really are far more concerned with dog control and seem to care little about the diminishing numbers of native birds.

Kakapo: Hmmmnnnn..... how much do the traps cost, and are they really CAT traps or in fact designed for POSSUMS?

manicminer
13-05-2005, 08:26 AM
I take it that if YOUR Bird, Dog, Elephant, Snake, Tiger happends to wander on the property I own I am justified in poisioning, shooting or trapping the said animal?

I also take it that you know and can prove the particular animal belongs to a particular person.

If so then why not use your local laws to deal with the problem?

If your local laws need changing then why not get them changed?

Hint:-
Get yourself elected!

Yes you'd be justified in trapping them, as long as they are domestic animals got astray.
But I'd like to see you trap an elephant!

Yes I know who the cat belongs to - but what difference does it make if I don't?

There are no local laws dealing with cat problems. That's the problem. And there never will be...see the reaction to the proposed curfew in Hamilton?
Cat owners got on their bandwagon and harrassed the council, who backed down. There are too many irresponsible, lazy cat owners to please.

pctek
13-05-2005, 08:36 AM
Now don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect for all animal life. I just hate to see our birds preyed upon and slowly tortured to death. It's a nasty death for the bird/fish and one that could be resolved by responsible cat ownership.

Soon we'll be telling our grandchildren about the wonderful birds we USED to have here. How will we explain to them that WE allowed their demise?

The biggest destructive pest on the planet is humans. Humans kill everything thats still moving. The "natural" world consists of predators and prey and it all worked quite well until people started upsetting the balance. The single main cause of loss of species isn't predators - its loss of habitat. Thats caused by humans breeding like cockroaches and paving over all the remaining wilderness.
So don't fret - one day there won't be any dirty animals around.

personthingy
13-05-2005, 09:49 AM
Kakapo: Hmmmnnnn..... how much do the traps cost, and are they really CAT traps or in fact designed for POSSUMS?Not alot of difference really is there? :confused: Cats = domesticated possums as far as i am concerned! :D

Strommer
13-05-2005, 10:02 AM
Not alot of difference really is there? :confused: Cats = domesticated possums as far as i am concerned! :D

Good point!

Let's see now ... they both have soft beautiful fur that can be made into mittens (like a friend of mine did with his family pet after it died by natural means), they are both cute, they both scratch, destroy vegetation and birds, carry diseases, get squashed on roads, etc etc!

personthingy
13-05-2005, 12:11 PM
The biggest destructive pest on the planet is humans. Humans kill everything thats still moving. The "natural" world consists of predators and prey and it all worked quite well until people started upsetting the balance. Agreed... Amoung the other discusting things our species have done, WE introduced cats to these islands. :stare:

Terry Porritt
13-05-2005, 12:21 PM
Agreed... Amoung the other discusting things our species have done, we introduced cats to these islands. :stare:

And in very, very recent times, right wing anything goes politicians despite being warned, allowed Rotweilers and Pit Bulls to be imported. Can't blame that on distant colonists from the past.

personthingy
13-05-2005, 01:05 PM
And in very, very recent times, right wing anything goes politicians despite being warned, allowed Rotweilers and Pit Bulls to be imported. Can't blame that on distant colonists from the past.Seemz our speecease aint two gud at leernink A. :rolleyes:

garth
13-05-2005, 01:26 PM
**** your cat :lol:

personthingy
13-05-2005, 01:36 PM
**** your cat :lol:Garth (*cof cof* never posted before.. yeah right) you need to put a "/" in the ending image tag thus:
<img> http://pugwash.orcon.net.nz/tart/aug.jpg </img>
I think you'll find the forum doesn't support external images anyway.

harvesterofsorrow
13-05-2005, 03:35 PM
why the hell dont we get avatars and sigs?
i want thishttp://www.bunnysneezes.net/hellsing/episode2/PDVD_066.jpg (http://http://www.bunnysneezes.net/hellsing/episode2/PDVD_066.jpg)
ps just to stay on topic we have a crazy cat next door that bites me! ouch :@@:

personthingy
13-05-2005, 03:52 PM
why the hell dont we get avatars and sigs?
Because people will put tasteless anime or distracting porn up. Yay to whoever decided to put the brakes on avitars and pics.

BTW.. We do get custom sigs, and your image link goes strait to some software companys mainpage! :illogical

harvesterofsorrow
13-05-2005, 03:54 PM
taste less anime? [swearing deleted] i want my 'tastless anime' sig!

Any more swearing and you'll enjoy a tasteful ban. Read the rules before you post next time. -Bruce Buckman

Graham L
13-05-2005, 04:03 PM
Harvestofsorrow: I suspect that if you continue to behave like this, it won't be here.

harvesterofsorrow
13-05-2005, 04:06 PM
ooops sorry i guess you guys dont like swearing

TonyF
13-05-2005, 05:47 PM
I think Bruce was rather kind to this chap - outbursts of swearing which justify deleting ought to cause a 24 hour ban regardless. Surely we don't need to have a big "No swearing" sign on the opening page for teenagers .....

manicminer
12-01-2006, 11:07 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/waikatotimes/0,2106,3535603a6579,00.html



PCA has its claws out for kitten dumper
10 January 2006
By ESTHER HARWARD

The SPCA is likely to press charges against a woman who deliberately released a kitten into the wild in front of Hamilton staff because they refused to take the animal.

Under the Animal Welfare Act, the maximum penalty is six months in prison and/or a $25,000 fine.

The SPCA's Waikato manager Chris Wood said staff wanted to make a point that they were at capacity. They could not take any more cats and had limited funding to deal with an already-full branch. Two hundred cats are waiting for new homes.

Staff would trace the woman through her car licence plate and would urge the Waikato SPCA committee to charge the woman.

Mrs Wood said the woman became frustrated when told by Hamilton staff yesterday that the branch was full. She then released the three or four-month-old kitten from a box and it ran off into industrial land surrounding the Frankton office. Staff will try to catch the kitten today.

Mrs Wood said the woman claimed she could not care for the cat because her granddaughter was allergic to them. But in the same conversation she told staff she already had two cats, Mrs Wood said.

manicminer
12-01-2006, 11:08 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/waikatotimes/0,2106,3536883a6579,00.html



Kitten dumper hits back
11 January 2006

A Hamilton woman who could face charges after dumping a kitten in the SPCA's doorway this week says she was trying to do the right thing by bringing it to the organisation.

The woman – who did not wish to be named – said she was not responsible for the cat because it was a stray.

The three to four-month-old feral kitten had been living in her backyard at her rural home and would have been killed by other wild cats, she said.

She had let it out of its box in front of staff on Monday when they told her they could not take it because their waiting list was full.

Whether the woman can be prosecuted will depend on whether she is deemed to be the "person in charge" of the cat under the Animal Welfare Act.

Waikato SPCA manager Chris Wood said staff believed the woman became the person in charge just by bringing it to the Hamilton premises, but the law could be "open to interpretation" and they would seek legal advice.

The woman said she had worked at the SPCA 45 years ago when all strays were accepted. She was "really annoyed" the SPCA had asked her to look after the kitten.
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"I am 69 years old and I have believed all my life that the SPCA was the place to take stray cats."

She already had two cats which had lived outside since her granddaughter was born because she was allergic to them.

Mrs Wood said people were asked to feed stray cats and check with the SPCA if there was enough room to take them. A post-Christmas influx of unwanted pets had created a waiting list of 200 cats needing a home and resources were at capacity.

manicminer
12-01-2006, 11:12 PM
I say fine all people who have cats and release them into the "wild" (ie out their front door). :)

Honestly - it's bad enough having idiots buy animals who cant be bothered to look after them. But when the SPCA take this attitude towards someone who genuinely seems to care about the animals, it just makes it more likely that people will dump their animals elsewhere.

bob_doe_nz
12-01-2006, 11:16 PM
I have a GREAT Idea!
CAT STEW!!! :p
Feed the starving and reduce the number of ferals and strays all at the same time :lol:

Renmoo
13-01-2006, 02:08 AM
Gorgeous idea of yours, bob. Could you provide us the recipe? :lol:

Cheers :)

Myth
13-01-2006, 07:23 AM
Just a few ideas:
My father was a cat lover and we grew up with cats. All our cats always did their business in one of the gardens. Anytime we had a neighbours cat issue, Dad would help it move away with a pot of cold water. Couple of those and the cat wasnt seen crapping on our property again. Cold water is not cruel and does work. I like the idea of the motion-controlled water sprinkler, get one if you can (that way you don't have to be there all the time to try and catch the cat in the act).

Another idea... somewhere I read that cats are very scent orientated (as my mate/neighbour found out when my cat sprayed his bedroom - twice.. back when we were kids) and will usually crap in the same area... maybe dig the dirt from around your lemon tree and I dunno, throw it somewhere next door lol. Or try sprinkling some real smelly substance (like the mothball suggestion) to deter the cats.

pctek
13-01-2006, 08:50 AM
The cat problem is a people problem. Specifically those that think a cat is like an item of furniture or an ornament - you get one and then spend a lot of time ignoring it.
Look at the numbers of animals the SPCA has been getting - massive numbers of cats and kittens and a few dogs and other animals.
Theres a lady near me guilty of this - she has tons of them and doesn't feed them properly, they aren't neutered and thus wander, breed like cockroaches etc.
The SPCA say as there are no laws on how many you keep they can't check her out unless I specifically see any mistreatment of them or they are in very bad condition.
The one that comes here to eat each evening is not considered bad.
But this year when the sick, starved kittens turn up again I will ring them again and they say they can come in that case.
I have 3 - all neutered and they get a lot of attention, so they are content to hang about our place, lying around on the monitor and playing with my parts boxes and stuff.
They have their own gardens here to do their business in. In fact they prefer our place for that reason - the neighbours don't have gardens so they don't like their places much.
cats like to find a nice patch of freshly dug dirt or something similar.
If you have a problem with cats that belong to someone who cares - ask them to provide a dug patch for them at their own house.
The ones who don't care are the problem.

Rob99
13-01-2006, 09:55 AM
1 kg boneless cat, cut into 2cm cubes
salt & pepper, to taste
1 large onion, chopped
3 leeks, chopped and well rinsed
6 carrots, peeled and cut into 4cm julienne
2 teaspoons of sugar
2 1/2 cups of stock
2 1/2 cups of red wine
2 tablespoons of tomato paste
2 tablespoons of butter
2 tablespoons of red currant jelly
1 tablespoon fresh rosemary, chopped
2 cups of pearl onions, red or white
8 ounces of mushrooms, sliced (wild mushrooms if available)
8 -10 red new potatoes, quartered
6 cloves of garlic, minced
1/2 of fresh flat-leaf parsley, chopped

Sauté the cat in sauté pan untill browned, season with saly and pepper, then transfer to large pot.

Add the onions, leeks, carrots, and to the sauté pan, add sugar and cook over medium high heat for approximately 8 minutes. Remove the vegetables and reserve in a large bowl.

Add the butter to the sauté pan and sauté the mushrooms over medium high heat for approximately 10 minutes. Transfer to the reserved vegetables.

Add the wine to deglaze the sauté pan, then the stock, and then whisk in red currant jam, tomato paste and rosemary. Cook for a couple of minutes and add to the pot with the meat.

Add the potatoes and garlic to the meat, and cooking liquid. Bring to a boil, cover, and simmer for 45 minutes.

Add the reserved vegetables, half the chopped parsley and continue cooking until the meat is tender. (approximately 30-45 minutes less if you use kittens)

Serve using the remaining parsley for garnish.

Greg
13-01-2006, 11:00 AM
Hey, if anyone has, or knows someone who has, a pair (preferably a male/female pair) of kittens, me and missus would be very interested. We're planning to go to SPCA soon to see if we can find some, but really want a pair.

Needs to be in Auckland, and we'll pay a small price if they're absolutely gorgeous.

Rob99
13-01-2006, 11:45 AM
Hey, if anyone has, or knows someone who has, a pair (preferably a male/female pair) of kittens, me and missus would be very interested. We're planning to go to SPCA soon to see if we can find some, but really want a pair.

Needs to be in Auckland, and we'll pay a small price if they're absolutely gorgeous.If you are planning on cooking them I suggest the short haired tabby, easier to skin and a little tastier.

stu161204
13-01-2006, 11:58 AM
Greg, Check out NZ Heralds infocus section as at the moment they are doing a section on Adopt a pet from the SPCA: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/index.cfm?c_id=500844

Hope this helps :)

PS: you can see what cats the SPCA have here: http://www.spca.org.nz/adoption/adoption_sc_cat.htm

Greg
13-01-2006, 12:05 PM
Thanks Stew. (um, I meant Stu.) :thumbs:

stu161204
13-01-2006, 12:12 PM
LOL :D

Winston001
13-01-2006, 06:29 PM
I say fine all people who have cats and release them into the "wild" (ie out their front door). :)

But when the SPCA take this attitude towards someone who genuinely seems to care about the animals, it just makes it more likely that people will dump their animals elsewhere.

It is a tough call. The SPCA throughout NZ is run by volunteers and relies totally upon fundraising to exist. No government grants, just donations from ordinary people.

The SPCA is not a dumping ground for unwanted pets but unfortunately gets used by some people for exactly that purpose. This time of year is always bad because of the number of abandoned kittens.

I feel sorry for both the lady involved and the SPCA staff in this case. It sounds like a misunderstanding and I hope it can be sorted out.

pctek
13-01-2006, 06:36 PM
I feel sorry for both the lady involved and the SPCA staff in this case. It sounds like a misunderstanding and I hope it can be sorted out.
""Mrs Wood said the woman became frustrated when told by Hamilton staff yesterday that the branch was full. She then released the three or four-month-old kitten from a box and it ran off into industrial land surrounding the Frankton office. Staff will try to catch the kitten today.

Mrs Wood said the woman claimed she could not care for the cat because her granddaughter was allergic to them. But in the same conversation she told staff she already had two cats, Mrs Wood said.""

She should be released into the wild..........what a lame excuse. She could have advertised it for a new home or taken it to the local Animal Control. Bit**.

manicminer
13-01-2006, 06:52 PM
Well to be honest we don't know the full story so it's hard to comment.
The thing that caught my eye and really narked me was the ridiculous threat of a $25000 fine etc.
I can only imagine how intimidated that woman must be feeling now.

The potential punishment for her "crime" appears to be worse than drink-driving, for example (at which you get 3 shots at, according to today's news.)

Beemer
17-01-2006, 05:22 PM
We have two cats, an old male and an almost year-old female - both neutred. They have beds inside at night and a cat flap to come and go - as well as three acres in which to "do their business". The male does wander across the neighbouring farmland but the farmer is rapt as he catches rabbits. The kitten tends to stick by my side or sleep in the sun somewhere in the garden.

Our problem is with the neighbour's tom cat (supposedly neutred but I doubt it) which attacked our elderly female cat (who died in November) and also the kitten. Two visits to the vet with large bite marks on her hind quarters, $120. I've mentioned it to the neighbour because it has only happened recently - we've lived here for three years but their cat only started bothering ours a few months ago. He says it's because the kitten is female and still comes into heat - but that is a load of bull! Unfortunately it only does it at night and is gone by the time we get outside so we're at a loss to stop it. His ducks come over and crap all over our driveway too.

As for cats leaving uncovered deposits (old part of the thread), that is unusual but I have seen our old male cat do it once or twice. I think it's just laziness, especially if the ground is hard. He was happy to use the litterbox when we got the kitten, but I certainly wasn't having one of those inside for longer than necessary! Maybe the neighbours could put a litterbox somewhere outside - that would give the cat somewhere to go, so to speak!

We had a stray cat bothering us when we lived in town, it would crap on our back door mat every day. I was worried it would get inside the house and do it in summer, so we got a cage from the council and trapped it. No one claimed it from the SPCA and it was so vicious that it was put down. I am a cat lover but this cat was neglected, mangy and nasty, so I doubt it could ever have been rehomed. All the neighbours were pleased to see it go.

binzi
06-04-2006, 04:41 AM
Look, you're delving into illegal action here.

Someone put out poinsoned milk for cats because they were afraid of them getting their precious goldfish and pidgeons, and they were fined in court for their actions.

Sowing shredded glass for the cats to "discover", trapping a domestic cat and handing it in as a stray, giving them large electric shocks - those are all just as dubious.

I'm sorry, but I won't stop short of saying you are an incredibly cruel person for not considering a mature resolution of your situation.

Hmmm...

Look, I've had a year of every neighbor's cat fighting, yeowling, crapping and spraying under my house, on the front porch, under my car in the carport, even on the roof of my car. The yard is completely fenced in and gated, yet, because we don't have any pets, we get all the neighbor's cats veying for our space.

Dog owners must keep dogs fenced-in or on a leash. I'm pissed off that cat owners feel it's their cat's right to roam the neighborhood day and night.
It's not.
So, I'd have no qualms about placing bear-traps on my porch, or poison under my house. If a cat is such a dear pet, it's the owner's responsibility to keep it safe. If it's on MY property without my permission, it's dead.

netchicken
06-04-2006, 07:48 AM
Just buy a high pressure water pistol from te warehouse, one of those pump guns.

Water is a good tool for training cats.

We had a small one which we would use to shoot the cat if he jumped on the table. After a while just picking up the gun and giving it one squeeze, which never even relased water, it only primed it, was enough to make the cat run.

Mackin_NZ
06-04-2006, 10:21 AM
Hmmm...

Look, I've had a year of every neighbor's cat fighting, yeowling, crapping and spraying under my house, on the front porch, under my car in the carport, even on the roof of my car. The yard is completely fenced in and gated, yet, because we don't have any pets, we get all the neighbor's cats veying for our space.

Dog owners must keep dogs fenced-in or on a leash. I'm pissed off that cat owners feel it's their cat's right to roam the neighborhood day and night.
It's not.
So, I'd have no qualms about placing bear-traps on my porch, or poison under my house. If a cat is such a dear pet, it's the owner's responsibility to keep it safe. If it's on MY property without my permission, it's dead.

Your first post here and you not only ressurrect and old thread but you advocate cruelty to animals as well. What an endearing person you are...NOT. :yuck:

If you do kill someone's cat I hope the owner sues your ass for it.

personthingy
06-04-2006, 10:32 AM
Allthough i am NOT a cat person, i must say that a far more annoying and destructive species walks the earth on only its hind legs.....

Apparently it's not cool to kill them just because they annoy you either....

Jeez the law sucks doesn't it? Who ever thought that we'd be forced to show a little tolerance in this world we share and not be allowed to kill everything we don't like?

JJJJJ
06-04-2006, 10:43 AM
What a load of rubbish. Cats are (or should be) noxious amimals. Kill them on sight. And make their owners pay an enormous registration fee.
The do it with dogs, why not cats?

Thomas01
06-04-2006, 10:54 AM
We have lived our lives on 3 continents and found cats can be a problem everywhere - in all cases water pistols or a hose seems 100% effective.
We nearly bought a house a few years ago where the owner had laid down an electric fence against her cat problem - about 4 inches off the ground it had completely cured the problem. (It doesn't harm the cats).
We have run up against a couple of unusual problems
1) A cat our neighbours owned which was terrified of birds because it only had to walk out onto a lawn when the local sparrows etc attacked it. All birds seemed to regard it as a target for them. Strange.
2) Bought some dog repellent to keep a local mongrel off our new lawn. Didn't work so I grabbed the dog and explained what the stuff was - then showed him the contents of the packet. He was delighted with it - ate the lot wagged his tail and asked for more. I had made an instant friend. Never did get the lawn right.
Tom

Greg
06-04-2006, 11:41 AM
Kill them on sight.
The do it with dogs, why not cats?Why not people too?

netchicken
06-04-2006, 11:50 AM
I think you need this book

101 uses for a dead cat (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0517545160/103-5045597-1257457?v=glance&n=283155)

and turn cats into a cottage industry...

stu161204
06-04-2006, 12:21 PM
1) A cat our neighbours owned which was terrified of birds because it only had to walk out onto a lawn when the local sparrows etc attacked it. All birds seemed to regard it as a target for them. Strange.

That happens here, we have at two / three cats that come over in to our garden & when every they move way from the hedge they get attack by some of the birds.

dolby digital
06-04-2006, 06:01 PM
I've told my cat ten thousand times not to go on the neighbours property, but will she listen :rolleyes: Sheesh!

I think I might have to ground her for a bit :p

stu161204
06-04-2006, 06:09 PM
I've told my cat ten thousand times not to go on the neighbours property, but will she listen :rolleyes: Sheesh!

I think I might have to ground her for a bit :p

LOL :D

zqwerty
06-04-2006, 06:21 PM
Yup, cats crapping in the garden are a pain in the butt, especially when you stand in it whilst weeding etc. They are also hunting and killing lots of birds in our garden including trying to catch fantails by the bird bath. I am going to get a pellet pistol very soon.

binzi
07-04-2006, 03:47 AM
Just buy a high pressure water pistol from te warehouse, one of those pump guns.

Water is a good tool for training cats.

We had a small one which we would use to shoot the cat if he jumped on the table. After a while just picking up the gun and giving it one squeeze, which never even relased water, it only primed it, was enough to make the cat run.
****
Yes, my sister trained her two deaf pugs that way, but I'm tired of waking every night at 3am to them under the house, much less am I going to chase them with a water gun in the middle of the night. I want them gone, or dead, when I wake up. They're not my cats... why should I train someone else's who is too lazy to train them them selves? I'd get a dog, but there are too many native birds I don't want to chase away. Maybe a killer duck, or mean goose!

Laura
07-04-2006, 07:29 AM
I think you're in the wrong forum, binzi.

You've only ever made 2 posts - both in the middle of our New Zealand night, so I assume you're in the northern hemisphere?

Your first post dragged up a thread about cats which had already gone to 148 posts before it mercifully died.
Your own contribution simply added an April moan to the January moans..
And your latest post follows similar lines.
You seem to be looking for somewhere to sound off, rather than ask or answer a question.
However, if you really have read all of this thread before making your cat feelings known, I'll try to guess the question....

No, we can't recommend a good brand for bear-traps, as there's not a lot of call for them around here.
Neither are we big on sales of the Killer ducks you mentioned.
Our own small colony lives on an offshore volcanic island, generally considered too dangerous to land on.
Mean geese are much easier to find. But Boy do they cost! They raised their cat quotes so high recently that they've practically priced themselves off the market.
Possibly you'd do better closer to home?
Somewhere with alligators, maybe?

SKT174
07-04-2006, 12:38 PM
Where about can one get a Tom Cat ?

Would the waster blaster be too strong for cats even if I keep it at a distance?

Sick Puppy
07-04-2006, 09:47 PM
Springboards.

Before you all say 'huh?', picture the scene (just imagine it's an advert)- your garden, pan to that pesky, mangy cat from next door/ down the street about to wonder all over your property and do its business on your lawn.

Fix camera on the thinly-disguised springboard as cat walks onto it, and then BOING! Cat yowls as it's flung several metres into the air. It will never come back! Priceless! :D

I should make one of these and then tape it- on the internet alone I'd make a fortune! lol

binzi
08-04-2006, 06:40 PM
What a load of rubbish. Cats are (or should be) noxious amimals. Kill them on sight. And make their owners pay an enormous registration fee.
The do it with dogs, why not cats?
ABSOLUTELY!!! We keep goldifsh inbowls, hamsters in cages, dogs on a leash (unless they are working animals on farms)... so what the hell are cats doing roaming free? And these are 'beloved pets'???
I don't care about the odd cat-crap in my garden, I'm not that shallow. I DO care about five or six cats fighting on my porch and yeowling under my house at 3am crapping on what I've got stored down there.
Cats, rats, possum, rabbits... all vermon. If you want to keep one in your house, that's up to you... but I don't want them on my property! And if your lil' Fluffy is found dead on MY property, It's your fault, not mine, and I'll fight that in court 'til death if I ave to.

binzi
08-04-2006, 06:50 PM
I think you're in the wrong forum, binzi.

You've only ever made 2 posts - both in the middle of our New Zealand night, so I assume you're in the northern hemisphere?

Your first post dragged up a thread about cats which had already gone to 148 posts before it mercifully died.
Your own contribution simply added an April moan to the January moans..
And your latest post follows similar lines.
You seem to be looking for somewhere to sound off, rather than ask or answer a question.
However, if you really have read all of this thread before making your cat feelings known, I'll try to guess the question....

No, we can't recommend a good brand for bear-traps, as there's not a lot of call for them around here.
Neither are we big on sales of the Killer ducks you mentioned.
Our own small colony lives on an offshore volcanic island, generally considered too dangerous to land on.
Mean geese are much easier to find. But Boy do they cost! They raised their cat quotes so high recently that they've practically priced themselves off the market.
Possibly you'd do better closer to home?
Somewhere with alligators, maybe?
Hmm...
Tediously serious you are. Sorry, I live in Kingsland, and much of that was toungue-in-cheek frustration with the plethora of neighborhood 'moggies' that terrorize the streets all night here.
I accidentally tripped on a thread of "obnoxious cats" which I responded to. I don't care how old it is, I'm still getting feedback. and many agree with me. I'm amazed at how selfish and small-minded the cat owners replies have been, expecting me to go out of my way to deter their cats from my property.
If, however, I did live somewhere else, I'm sure I wouldn't even have to be posting this here. Welcome to 'she'll be right' Aotearoa.

personthingy
08-04-2006, 07:06 PM
........ And if your lil' Fluffy is found dead on MY property, It's your fault, not mine, and I'll fight that in court 'til death if I ave to....and lose

bob_doe_nz
08-04-2006, 07:40 PM
Hmm...
Tediously serious you are. Sorry, I live in Kingsland, and much of that was toungue-in-cheek frustration with the plethora of neighborhood 'moggies' that terrorize the streets all night here.
I accidentally tripped on a thread of "obnoxious cats" which I responded to. I don't care how old it is, I'm still getting feedback. and many agree with me. I'm amazed at how selfish and small-minded the cat owners replies have been, expecting me to go out of my way to deter their cats from my property.
If, however, I did live somewhere else, I'm sure I wouldn't even have to be posting this here. Welcome to 'she'll be right' Aotearoa.
Well I'm sure there are plenty of recipes for cats floating on the net.

legod
12-04-2006, 11:07 PM
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=93730


Call for cat controls

12/04/2006 14:04:02

There is a claim cats are so ecologically dangerous there should be a limit on how many people can have.

Ray Spring of the Christchurch Cat Control Campaign group wants to see a one-house one-cat policy introduced, and the introduction of cat registration and microchipping.

He says domestic cats are an ecological disaster because they eat native birds and insects.

Mr Spring says one cat per house is too many, but they had to set that limit as they have cat lovers in their group.

He says the problem lies with middle-aged single lonely women, who dote on cats.

Mr Spring says the country cannot afford to have hordes of cats, because they are an ecological disaster.

Winston001
12-04-2006, 11:45 PM
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=93730

Yeah yeah yeah. Heard it all before. And if puss is outlawed whatever, what do you think happens to the rat/mouse/mustilid population? There are studies which show that these are the real threat to native birds.



Having said that, I'd actually go along with chipped cats for the pets, and feral cats being exterminated. They are a danger but nowhere near as bad as anti-cat people make out.

Metla
12-04-2006, 11:53 PM
I think we should do it just so we can experience the plague of rats.....

godfather
13-04-2006, 12:25 AM
The Christchurch Cat Control Campaign Group has twenty members

Wow, that's - like twenty!

personthingy
13-04-2006, 08:28 AM
Blokes ey....

When we're young and full of hormones, what is it we want?

When we're old and bitter, what is it we love to hate?

Here pussy pussy pussy... :D :p

Strommer
13-04-2006, 08:34 AM
Well I'm sure there are plenty of recipes for cats floating on the net.

Cat has also been eaten in Britain. During wartime rationing, cats found their way into "rabbit" stews/pies and hence earned themselves the nickname "roof-rabbit". With so many city strays and pets abandoned by bombed out families, cats were a substitute for rabbit. A former colleague whose father was in the butchery trade during that time told me that butchers sometimes kept cats as ratters; the cat later ended up being sold as "rabbit". The rationale was simple - a surplus of homeless cats living off of vermin, plus the fact that the supply of wild rabbit from the countryside had been suspended. The following rhyme summed up the keeping of cats in peace-time and the eating of them in times of hardship.

Oh kittens, in our hours of ease
Uncertain toys and full of fleas,
When pain and anguish hang o’er men,
We turn you into sausage then.

Today, pet cats in the UK are apparently stolen to satisfy the continental fur trade; the skinned carcasses have sometimes offered to butchers as "wild rabbit". A former colleague who controlled rabbits on local farms supplied wild rabbit to a local butcher. In 1993, the butcher asked him to leave the head and feet on the carcass because he had been offered skinned cat by other shooters and wanted to be sure of the true identity of the meat. Once the paws, head and tail are removed, the only way to distinguish cat from rabbit or hare is by looking at the processus hamatus of the scapula. In the cat, this should have a processus suprahamatus.

The Spanish expression "pasar gato por liebre" (to pass off a cat as a hare) and the Portuguese expression "Comprar gato por lebre" (to buy a cat as a hare) are derived from this practice and mean "to pull the wool over someone's eyes".

In one region of Europe, the traditional Christmas meal is not a turkey or a beef joint, but a cat specially fattened for the occasion. It is served stuffed and roasted. A cat rescue shelter in a French town became aware that a local man who adopted kittens from them was rearing those kittens for food, killing and eating them at six months of age. He considered them a delicacy.

more here (http://messybeast.com/eat-cats.htm) but some of it is sickening.

Winston001
13-04-2006, 05:20 PM
Steve - too much information, ok? :waughh:



CATS RULE!! :thumbs:

Strommer
13-04-2006, 11:06 PM
CATS RULE!! :thumbs:

When they are roasted? :lol: :D