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Ninjabear
05-01-2005, 04:44 AM
Trademe has announced that overseas trader cannot list items on trademe for sale.I think that they shouldn't have made this banned.I think that if they made it so that overseas trader must be address verified that would be good.

A majority of overseas trader like to use trademe like me and i find ebay alot confusing to use.Trademe says this is to prevent fraud etc but I believe that a majority of overseas trader are genuine.

They should ban the countries that are usually causing scam like nigeria example.I see that most of the nigerian scan comes from united states.
Why should people who live in Hong Kong or say united kingdom take the ban also when clearly its not our fault?

What do you think people?Trademe should find alternative system of helping overseas traders and sellers not ban something just because something comes up

drb1
05-01-2005, 06:02 AM
What do you think people?Trademe should find alternative system of helping overseas traders and sellers not ban something just because something comes up[/QUOTE]

This has come about for several reasons,

1 SCAMME do not want to spend the money to identify independently the overseas Sellers.

2 SCAMME do not want to bear the cost of supplying data to Customs and IRD about these Sellers, and their activity's.

3 SCAMME are bowing to pressure from the authorities to do something positive about the epedemic of SCAMS on SCAMME.

4 SCAMME is a very profit driven orginiseation. This was the most expedient metheod of getting the Authorities off their backs, and they can window dress it as a positive security move by them, to protect local buyers.

This Stop Gap measure by SCAMME will alliviate the SCAM level on the site for a short time.

Nothing really will change untill SCAMME deal with the basic flaws in their security and member enroolment program.

Charging $10-00 to as a question and become authenticated is nothing but a SCAM as paying $10-00 does not prove anything about you.

SCAMME is the only major local site to charge in this way.

As a result of this policy change the number of buyer SCAMS has Skyrocketed.

In the Scam Site Rules the goods are supposed to be in "possesion" of the Seller as with many things on SCAMME this did not come out as intended.

If this area of the rules is read several times it is clear that the SCAM SITE meant the rules to say "In possesion of the seller IN NEW ZEALAND".

As with so many things on SCAMME this is not what it says at all.

Which has lead to much confusion. Sadly allthough all forgien sellers apart from Australians have been banned, this unclear area regarding goods not on New Zealand soil remains, another SCAMME dissaster.

The reguirement that all Australian sellers have New Zealand bank accounts is also farceicall.

The ANZ will have good business with this in their "Tranz Tasman Accounts" Legally locall in both nations at once.

D.

Prescott
05-01-2005, 09:29 AM
its a new zealand auction site and it should stay ours, its pretty safe actually. and if overseas sellers/buyers want to use it they can use their eBay.

kiwitas
05-01-2005, 06:26 PM
Without trying to be critical of a fellow Southlander,auctions need buyers & sellers to make them work!The more the merrier.

The "feedback"system on TM soon sorts out the baddies!(whether local or off-shore)

There are a lot of traders from all over the world,particularly buyers on TradeMe!

Cheers,kiwitas,(-:

cognoscenti06
16-01-2006, 10:16 AM
its a new zealand auction site and it should stay ours, its pretty safe actually. and if overseas sellers/buyers want to use it they can use their eBay.

Trademe.co.nz is like a little car boot sale compared to ebay.co.uk or even ebay.com.au

all the trading methods and auctioneering is so backward

Metla
16-01-2006, 10:19 AM
It works for us, who gives a toss how ebay uk does anything?

mejobloggs
16-01-2006, 10:27 AM
I think it is ok for an overseas trader, as long as they make it very clear that they are non NZ so that you know postage times are going to be a bit longer.

Greg
16-01-2006, 11:10 AM
Trademe.co.nz is like a little car boot sale compared to ebay.co.uk or even ebay.com.au

all the trading methods and auctioneering is so backwardThat's about right coming from a pom. Ebay is horse manure compared to TradeMe. It's too typical of USA excessive commercialism.

gibler
16-01-2006, 11:14 AM
I think it is ok for an overseas trader, as long as they make it very clear that they are non NZ so that you know postage times are going to be a bit longer.

No, it is against the TradeMe rules. You are allowed to be an Aussie though.

ninja
16-01-2006, 11:37 AM
Do we really have to have crap about TradeMe all the time?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/messageboard/default.asp
http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/helpdocs/crm_choose_subject.asp

Go and vent spleen there. At least someone might care, and we won't have to put up with pointless rants about things you can't don anything about.

Let alone having to see how many times "drb1" can fit SCAMME in a post.

Prescott
16-01-2006, 12:11 PM
This thread is over a year old BTW :rolleyes:

gibler
16-01-2006, 12:18 PM
This thread is over a year old BTW :rolleyes:

Yeah, something needs to be done to let the old threads (older than 2 months at the minimum) die.

JJJJJ
16-01-2006, 12:33 PM
Those favouring open slather on "trade me" have obviously never been robbed at a web auction site.
Wait untill you get caught and then we'll see your opinion change.

Trade me is as near perfect as it can be. Just leave it as is.

Laura
17-01-2006, 12:13 AM
ninja:
Actually, drb1 hasn't made a post withe his SCAMME etc since February 2005.

I've been wondering what's happened to him.

Elephant
17-01-2006, 12:20 AM
Those favouring open slather on "trade me" have obviously never been robbed at a web auction site.
Wait untill you get caught and then we'll see your opinion change.

Trade me is as near perfect as it can be. Just leave it as is.

I am inclined to agree with you.

We just to when buying to be careful.

cognoscenti06
31-01-2006, 11:51 AM
That's about right coming from a pom. Ebay is horse manure compared to TradeMe. It's too typical of USA excessive commercialism.

trademe...laughs...

lets email each other 3o times like' hi im putting the money in today farmer john...'
'ok...i cant see it yet...will post it when i can see it inmy account...

YAWN

EBAY....win auction....click pay...money goes instantly to seller...goods get sent that day...next day goods in hand....

oh...enjoying your 360's are we? ...oh no thats right....

http://www.gamertagpics.com/users/k/Ki/Kiwi_SAS/

Greven
31-01-2006, 12:58 PM
Ebay is rife with fraud. and trademe is starting to go in the same direction.

cognoscenti06
31-01-2006, 01:13 PM
Ebay is rife with fraud. and trademe is starting to go in the same direction.

only clueless people get scammed.

i have used ebay for over three years and not once have i had a bad deal...there are lots of dodgy sales but you just spot them and move on.

george12
31-01-2006, 03:33 PM
I have found in my experience that 90% of international traders are NOT genuine.

"I need you find out the shippings to Nigeria with DHL courier. When the auction arrive I will deposit the monies into you credit cards. I need you credit card number for depoist of the moneys with western union when the item arrival."

Billy T
31-01-2006, 05:56 PM
SCAMME are bowing to pressure from the authorities to do something positive about the epedemic of SCAMS on SCAMME.


Expressions like SCAMME (and TELESCUM) are a poor substitute for cogently reasoned argument. If that's the best people can do to express themselves, they'd be better off becoming preachers, where all their thoughts and words are pre-scripted; or falling under a train or something.

The internet is a jungle, but it was made that way by its users, so the users are to blame, not those who try to provide a service. Trademe is successful enough to prove that it is bigger than the scamsters and the moaners & wingers. Its success is driven by people who are aware of the risks but are savvy enough to take adequate precautions.

People have to be pretty damned gullible (or greedy) to fall for most of the scams anyway, if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :2cents:

cognoscenti06
31-01-2006, 08:50 PM
Expressions like SCAMME (and TELESCUM) are a poor substitute for cogently reasoned argument. If that's the best people can do to express themselves, they'd be better off becoming preachers, where all their thoughts and words are pre-scripted; or falling under a train or something.

The internet is a jungle, but it was made that way by its users, so the users are to blame, not those who try to provide a service. Trademe is successful enough to prove that it is bigger than the scamsters and the moaners & wingers. Its success is driven by people who are aware of the risks but are savvy enough to take adequate precautions.

People have to be pretty damned gullible (or greedy) to fall for most of the scams anyway, if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :2cents:


you just made what had ambitions of being an intelligent post a laughing stock by even hinting that the likes of preachers should fall under a train and that reading pre scripted text is all they do.....imbecile

John H
31-01-2006, 09:18 PM
Oh dear, cognoscenti06 (an oxymoron of a handle if ever I heard one, judging by your posts), you haven't got any real support here so why don't you just go and play on ebay.uk?

Personally, before buying I look to see if the seller is in NZ or overseas. If they are overseas, I give them the instant flick. I'm not interested in putting money into some coloniser's account with little hope of redress when they stuff me over. And I am also not interested in providing profits to an overseas trader if I can support local enterprise.

Secondly, I check with the seller to see if they have the goods in their hot little hands in Godzone, not some overseas island. If they don't, that is another reason to shy off.

There are plenty of other reputable traders who live here, and who I can do something about if they default or provide crap goods.

Jen
31-01-2006, 09:27 PM
you just made what had ambitions of being an intelligent post a laughing stock by even hinting that the likes of preachers should fall under a train and that reading pre scripted text is all they do.....imbecileHey, you are new to this forum and it has some rules (http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/showthread.php?t=52243), one of which says if you can't keep it nice then don't post it.

Greven
31-01-2006, 10:14 PM
if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't.
I think you got that a bit wrong. Did you mean "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is"?

Billy T
31-01-2006, 10:53 PM
I think you got that a bit wrong. Did you mean "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is"?

You know I've never read it that way Greven, but that is certainly one way of interpreting that saying.

What I actually meant was: "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is (too good to be true) but it can also be read to mean: "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is (true)"

My erudite friend probably missed that nuance, just as he/she completely missed that I was suggesting preaching as a career option based on general ability to accept doctrine without question. Falling under a train was simply an alternative option for those who didn't feel that preaching was their true vocation. There are enough proselytizers on the planet already without adding more.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :D

Ninjabear
01-02-2006, 03:03 AM
To be honest

If the local seller was cheaper than an overseas seller than I would most certainly spend my money on a local seller but because the price difference is so great I am likely to spend on an overseas seller than a local seller.

I would save a wooping $200-$300 on mobile phones.

I don't mind overseas seller at all as long as they are genuine and are happy to wait for so much delivery date as long as its within a period of 10 days or under.

I choose money over time

John H
01-02-2006, 02:00 PM
snip... I choose money over time

Well, you have identified one of the differences between us! I am glad we cleared that up at least.

Actually, you misunderstood me ninjabear - my comments did not relate to time as an issue. I am 60, and I have learnt over the years how to handle delayed gratification.

An important reason for buying locally is contract enforcement. When buying from anyone (be it on TradeMe or anywhere) I want to ensure that I can enforce the contract if there is a default or the goods are faulty. I can't send the cuzzie bros around to a trader in Beijing or London, and I doubt the Disputes Tribunal stretches its jurisdiction that far.

I do buy overseas from firms like Amazon, but it is easy to find out whether those firms are bona fide and will put things right if something goes wrong. In the case of someone overseas who calls themselves "cognoscenti06" for example, I know nothing about them and can't find out. Their ratings by other traders are only as good as their last trade. I have given high ratings to a seller who did well as far as I was concerned. Subsequently (after getting great overall ratings) she defaulted on a number of sales, and the comments from her buyers suggest she may have built up a reputation that she could later use to defraud people.

In that case I acknowledge she was a NZ seller, not an overseas one, but with a local you have an opportunity to enforce the contract.

I rate reliability of the contract over both time and money.

Ninjabear
02-02-2006, 01:58 AM
I wouldn't pick out a random trader who's overseas and trade with him.I would read his feedback.Normally if a person has received feedback about warranty issues I would just skip to the next seller

I don't rush into purchasing things off an international trader.

There are some international traders online at trademe who says they are based in new zealand.Had wonderful experience trading with them but had one or two which I weren't happy with because it was taking too long for me to receive the product.I put a neutral feedback and moved on to another trader and if i find that the trader is good i would definitely trade with him again in the future


I have purchased alot of things at ebay. There are things which i wouldn't recommend buying .Since my father is in hong kong i can ask him to buy it for me and pay it back later.

I am a new zealand resident and have a new zealand passport .Even though i should be buying things from new zealand I don't feel it's wrong to buy from overseas.It's a free market.It's cheaper over there and my father and I know which shops are safe to buy and which shops are not.We have experience.This is how I feel.There's no reason for me to spend my money in NZ because the stuff is dearer over here.Don't we all want things to be cheap?

If i were rich one day then i may spend my money here.Money is not limited.Money is hard to find these days.

I'm not saying I don't spend my money here but in terms of quantity of purchasing throughout the year.I am likely to spend my money overseas.